On Apr 27, 2013, at 20:02, Sytse van Slooten <sytse at sytse.net> wrote:
I agree with
that. I like the wall of paper docs, rather than
click on video to show how to <blah blah blah>. My only real gripe
with the modern logic, is to my knowledge the I/O tat is NOT 5 volt
tolerant.
Current hardware tends to stop at 3.3V. There is nothing stopping you
from
adding your own level convertors to raise that to 5V. Might be a bit difficult
to make all the electrical bits conform to the original specs. Not in any way
impossible, though.
The DE1, at least, has series resistors on the 40-pin external
headers so that you can interface directly to 5v. The ESD
protection diodes on the inputs limit the voltage applied to the
actual input transistors to acceptable levels, and the series
resistors limit the current flowing through the diodes so they
don't burn up. I don't recall offhand whether the DE0 did the
same thing, but the schematic is available.
Don't forget that a 3.3v output will work fine with 5v TTL inputs
as well. The interface isn't necessarily suited for hooking direct
to a big bus, though; you'd probably want to pass through a
stronger driver transceiver first.
I would like
to use the 40 pin headers for IDE interfacing or some other
'classic' interface. That might be a good project for the DEx boards
a 5 volt interface and breadboard. Even if I can't use it for my
hardware, I still have a dirt cheap PDP-11.
Yep. You can have an 11/94 for the
price of a de0-nano, some wires, an r232
level shifter and an sd card. If you try hard enough, you can keep that under
$100.
I should point out that those headers aren't suited for plugging
directly into an IDE drive; the power and ground pins land on
some meaningful data pins. You need to make an adaptor. Also,
avoid using 80-conductor cables with those connectors; those
cables internally bus the IDE grounds together, which don't
correspond to the grounds on the board. You won't short
power to ground or anything like that, but you will lose a few
otherwise useful pins.
On the bright side, the DE0 and DE1 use the same pinouts for
those connectors, so things should be cross-compatible. The
DE0 even runs some clock pins out there, which can be
pretty useful.
- Dave