At 08:23 PM 1/27/98 +0000, you wrote:
>rather have a service manual that starts 'Take the HDA into a clean room
>and undo the cover screws (#1 in fig 4.2), lift off cover' etc than one
The problem, of course, from the mfr's point of view, is that some bozo is
going to think "hmmm... Larry across the hall has a maid come twice a
month, I'll take it over there and..." and then they have to deal with 1)
repairing/replacing the drive, 2) losing a customer who thinks they should
fix it under warranty.
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>DOH! Did I start off on the IIgs again? I didn't even notice you were
>talking about the II+... THIS is why I shouldn't be allowed to send email
>at 12:30 in the morning!
Don't worry, the feeling is not unfamiliar to me. (Someone mentions IBM, I
start with the RS/6000's, Deep Blue, etc.)
>OK, for the II+, ProDOS is probably what you want. DOS 3.3(I've never seen
this one) >or CP/M(only one I have is my Hayes
>SmartModem 300 disk) are supposed to be around. Do you know how much RAM
>yours has? I have an extra copy of ProDOS(still shrinkwrapped!! I'm not
>sure which version), and it needs more RAM than a stock II+ has. I guess
>whatever a II+ with a memory expansion card would have... I seem to
>remember 64k being on the box. As for the disks, I'm not sure. Try digging
>around at http://www.apple2.org, it should have plenty of info(I know it
>has a link to the csa2 newsgroup FAQ).
OK... well, if I can't find anything else, I'll take the old copy, as I
think that you might want to hang on to the shrinkwrapped copy. I wouldn't
know what it was like, as I wasn't around when it was made. But, anyway,
I'll take the old copy, you can use the new one, as a "liscense", make a
backup copy of the disks, and then everyone's happy. ;-)
Thanks for the help,
Tim D. Hotze
>-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek
>
>
Yes, I know about the IIGS, it's a pretty nice GUI machine. When I was in
second grade, that's all that they had in my old school. But, I'm not
getting a IIGS, I'm getting a II+, the one that came before the IIe. (I
think) Anyway, is ProDOS the best?
Also, does the Apple ][ juse SS/SD disks? If so, where can I get osme?
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: John Rollins <rexstout(a)ptld.uswest.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Apple ][+ OS
>> Hello. I'm going to get one of these >from Jeff Kaneko. One
thing:
>>What OS's are avaible? I tried looking on Apple's site, but didn't
>>really find
>>anything too interesting. What's the one that the most sofware was
written
>>for? Most "standard", and what kind of stuff's avaible for a II+ (I'm
>>sure that
>>that's not a simple question.) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze PS-Does anyone
>>have Apple ][+ disks?
>
>The IIgs will run any Apple II+/IIe OS(ProDOS, DOS 3.3, etc...), or GS/OS
>which is a modified version of MacOS. GS/OS is available on Apple's FTP
>site. The IIgs will also run most Apple II+/IIe software, can use most of
>the Apple II+/IIe expansion cards and floppy drives. Definitley the most
>capable machine in the Apple II line.
>
>-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek
>
>
At least it's what they appear to be...
Found at a local electronic "computer" store: several
printer cards for what appears to be Apple ][ computers.
(I'm not an Apple person, so I don't know the bus layout.)
The connector is a 50 pin edge-card (25 per side)
and there is a 20 pin header on the board, to which
attaches a companion flat cable with a conventional
Centronics-style 36 pin connector at the end. The cable
is 3 feet long, and it looks like it was meant to
exit the enclosure and plug directly into a printer.
There is an on-board 2716 eprom (I might dump the contents
at work to see if there is any manufacturer info inside.)
There is absolutely no manufacturer name or info on the
board other than what appear to be part numbers (I think):
"APL B" and "SP-201-EP-0" in the silkscreen and "H-002" in
the copper foil. Parts are all SSI (74LS00 series) with
date codes around 1984.
They were free, so if anyone wants one or more, let me know.
All I ask is shipping or "you pick up." I'm in Corvallis,
Oregon.
Oh, and I should say for emphasis: I HAVE NO IDEA IF
THEY WORK and NO WARRANTIES EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED.
Contact me by email if you want them. I don't have any
Apples, so don't have a reason to save them. Just didn't
want to see them dumpstered.
Gary.
Hello.
I'm going to get one of these from Jeff Kaneko. One thing: What OS's are avaible? I tried looking on Apple's site, but didn't really find anything too interesting. What's the one that the most sofware was written for? Most "standard", and what kind of stuff's avaible for a II+ (I'm sure that that's not a simple question.)
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
PS-Does anyone have Apple ][+ disks?
I'm behind in my e-mail again...
At 10:09 PM 1/11/98, you wrote:
> I have a bunch of HP 75Ds. I also have the manuals for them. Let me know
>if you need any info about them. What is a HP LS/12 ? I've never heard of
The LS/12 is actually made by Zenith; I think it's a Supersport? Basic
'286 (iirc) PC laptop. I'm working on scanning the photos I've taken;
someday I'll get a web page set up. 8^)
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At 09:51 PM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>be some GREAT surplus stores in San Francisco - saw my only wire recorder
>there as well as some interesting radar equipment, that at the time, I
>thought was still classifed. Years later (88) I couldn't find them.
>Anybody know what happened to them? I think they were on Market street
Hmmm.. There's Kaplan's on Market about 6th; They do mostly
army-surplus-esque camping gear and some uniforms and tenner shoes.
There's another one about between 7th & 8th that (last time I was in) seems
to cater only to the bigger-is-better-in-knives-and-forget-about-quality
crowd. (They're actually probably just about right above me as I type this!)
There used to be a really good one on Mission (one block south) between 7th
& 8th, but they went out of business in the early 80's.
I don't know of any *real* military surplus stores around SF anymore;
though you'd think there would be some, what with Mare Island Naval
ShipYard, Treasure Island, Alameda (Nuclear Wessels!), The Presidio, etc.
There are a few electronics surplus stores around, especially down in the
(silicon) valley.
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Haven't seen this mentioned on the list. The VCF was, of course,
organized by our very own Sam...
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Subject: Vintage Computer Festival 01 photo web site!
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:04:16 GMT
From: kenm(a)nospam.csus.edu (Ken Montgomery)
Organization: CSU Sacramento
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, comp.society.folklore
I wanted to let everyone who watches this group for information about
the history of computing and old computers that I have put up a new page
with lots of photographs taken at the Vintage Computer Festival that was
held on October 25th and 26th 1997, at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in
Pleasanton, California. The Festival was an event held to celebrate
computers and their history. The site is:
<http://members.tripod.com/~km88mph/>
The site contains photographs that I took of the exhibit area and the
sellers area, both were inside the same hall. So check out the page and
drop me line!
I have the following items that have to go:
MAC Plus, good basic system w/key & mouse 1 - 4 meg of mem $10
MAC 512k, monitor fuzzy, but works free with Plus.
External 400k drive for Mac $5
Bernoulli 5mb Removeable drive for Mac $10 (+ Software)
Apple IIe Enhancement kit. (A2M2052) Don't ask me. New in
shrinkwrapped box $5
Northgate DOS 4.0 with Manuals (3 ring) and Covers + Install disks $10
I've got other but that's it for now.
Please keep shipping in mind. If you really need something on this list
or off, please email me off line and I'll see if I can find it.
Thanks,
Mike
At 22:33 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I think laptops will be hot collectables, as they are small and often
>clever.
Especially the early color laptops (e. g. NEC Multispeed 386) which very
few people bought. Laptops made out of funny materials -- the magnesium
GRIDs or the Toshibas with carbon-fiber cases. The nicer palmtops (they
can pry my Pofo from my cold dead fingers....) And, of course, several of
the hardened military micros. And the rarer Ataris. And Lisas!!
>>Suns and SGIs, probably. Acorn RISC-PC's, probably. Alphas, again
>>probably.
MIPS. HP Kayaks -- buy now while they're cheap! ;-)
>I say yes to all of these.
Me^2,
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