Needless to say, I was extremely disappointed when I was told that the
manuals and software for the System/34 were thrown away, along with
5 5250 video terminals. There are three left, and I picked up one of
the two remaining manuals. If was somewhat amused by some parts of the
manuals. for example, after instructions on mailing comments, "Comments
become the property of IBM". A full page on safety, including CPR
instructions. On line reads,"Wer safety glasses when performing any
work that may be hazardous to your eyes. REMEMBER-THEY ARE YOUR EYES"
another,"Knowing safety rules is not enough. An unsafe act will
inevitbly lead to an accident. Use good judgement - eliminate unsafe
acts." A warning"The display station has a weight of ~ 34kg (75lb).
NEVER LIFT BY YOURSELF" With all this, I'm surprised they ever got
sued...
PS Does anyone have the jumper setting for a Tiara Lancard /E*AT?
PPS I am reading "The Soul of a New Machine". Great book!
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At 08:17 PM 2/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
><People try, but the age of hacking is gone. Right now, there is just
><nothing exciting in the computing industry. Wait till holographic
>
>You got to be kidding. Just look around the edges at things like
>autonomus robots and navagation to suggest a few. Theres plenty to be
And there is plenty of opportunity in terms of software -- new uses for the
internet connectivity is a big one. CUSeeMe, for example and the internet
phone stuff... These are things that make me envision some guy, surrounded
by empty coke bottles, about 3 in the morning thinking, "Hey, if I can send
data over voice lines, why can't I send voice over data lines?" and such.
Also, how about purpose-built devices? Wanna buy a dedicated alphapaging
station so you're grandmother (who keeps pointing her calculator at the
Microwave and trying to change the channel) can just turn it on, type a
message (See, grandma, it's just like a typewriter!) and hit a send button
to send you an alphapage? Probably can't do it affordably. But take a
Basic Stamp, add a keyboard and a little LCD screen, some code, and voila...
Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
him for 20 years etc? One of the things he invents is an automated vacuum
cleaner. When Heinlein wrote the book, I'm sure that would have been very
expensive and very difficult to do. Now, however, it would seem like an
acheivable goal, especially since Heinlein does a lot of the specs for
you... So how come you can't buy one at Target? Anyone want to make millions?
(That book, btw, is what made me want to be an EE (along with Steve Ciarcia
calling it "programming in solder"). Perhaps someday I'll finally get to
become one...)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Whoops, I didn't read it all. Only the person that posseses the license is
the person who owns it. It dosn't matter who original purchased it, if the
license was purchased it is then transferred. But if you give the disks
back, and keep the software, your the bad guy. [sorry, just woke up]
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
I Must dissagree. The person who willfully sell's the product and surrenders
the original's to you has transferred the license. It is the original
purchaser who is wrong. He has obligated himself at that point to remove
the software from his machine, or he shouldn't have sold the license in the
firstplace.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
<The reason for the quotes around "no problem" is that some people have
<wrongly assumed you can format 360K disks in a 1.2 MB drive and just use
<them in a 360K drive. This is only true if the disk being formated has n
That is a big no-no. The 1.2m drives have a write head that is have the
width and if not properly configured the wrong write current for 360k
media(1.2m media is different magnetically). Also that narrower head
produces a much lower read signal on a 360k drive with more errors.
Scandisk works excellent for me here even on my Leading Edge XT. It's
something your doing not scandisk.
Allison
At 09:06 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
>forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
Okay, a little webbery (www.amazon.com) and the title is, <tada> _The Door
Into Summer_. (So named, because the protagonist's cat was always looking
for a door that opened into summer during the winter, but of course, so are
we all...)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
This web site is probably only relevant to the PC Apricots.
There is info on older stuff like the F10 at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, 13 February 1998 17:42
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up
the
>following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
>teriffic!!
>
>http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
>
>Cheers
>Andrew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>
>
>>>
>>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's
UK
>>> web site file library...
>>
>>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>>
>>ADVthanksANCE
>>
>>>
>>> Kai
>>
>>-tony
>>
>>
>
A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up the
following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
teriffic!!
http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
Cheers
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>>
>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's UK
>> web site file library...
>
>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>
>ADVthanksANCE
>
>>
>> Kai
>
>-tony
>
>
>I'd say you have the right to purchase a "previous version 1st disk
>required" upgrade of the product. You have the disks and the manuals, and
>the imaginary license laying right next to it, that the previous owner of
>the software threw away along with his right to upgrade.
Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
Who (if anyone) is wrong?
Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
before?
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Hi,
I got an apple IIe today and it came in a big padded case with a handle. It
looks like an oversize suitcase and wheighs a ton. It has reinforced corners
and edges. Inside are three compartments: the center one holds the Apple IIe
and the sides hld the disk drive, floppies, docs and hard drive.
Has anyone heard of the case or is it a custom one of a kind part?
Any information would be appreciated.
Fran?ois
