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Reading 8" disks on a PC (was Re: Need NEC APC manuals)

by brad＠heeltoe.com

"Eric Smith" wrote: > >Yes. And Linux software of my own devising: > http://dmklib.brouhaha.com/ very cool. thanks! -brad

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test

by jwest＠dewey.classiccmp.org

This is a test post. Jay

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Many things

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Computer Collector Newsletter <news(a)computercollector.com> wrote: > Do you mean you use a classic computer as your ** primary ** machine, or just > that you happen to use it ** once in a while ** for your current work? The former. I do not own any non-Classic computers and never will. I do not use any non-Classic operating systems and never will. > RE: people who use classic computers as their primary machine, not including > those of you on the list who work for computer museums -- I'm very curious how > many of you exist. I think, therefore I exist. Cogito ergo sum. > And, do you use classic computers by 1.) choice, 2.) lack > of budget, or 3.) technological need (that is, legacy connectivity)...? 1. > But in day-to-day > 'real life', I can't fathom using anything other than a modern system running > some equally modern version of Unix or Windows. The fact that you can't fathom it signifies nothing but a limitation of your imagination. It is possible and I am the living proof. I believe our Prof. Tony Duell is the same way. > but how do you handle it in the real world Define "real world". My reality is different from yours. > where people may tell you "Sorry, our company only does business in > Microsoft"...? I don't do any business with companies other than to shoot them. I'm a Marxist-Leninist Communist revolutionary. MS

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Apple //gs RamFAST/SCSI with CD-ROM troubles

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Ronald Wayne wrote: > Which version of the OS are you using? 6.0.1 > System 6.0.1 for the Apple IIgs is available as a free download from > Apple (check here: > http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html). It does > include support for HFS if you chose to install it. Can you just grab > the file from the floppy and drop it on the hard drive's system > folder? I would imagine so, but I never tried it. Using the > installer is slightly easier (albeit slower). I copied the file directly into the FSTS directory. Should I have used the installer? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Fwd: RE: Computer Rescue in Massachusetts

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>From: "Marie Proverb" <marigoldp(a)comcast.net> >At 09:41 PM 1/25/2005, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>We are attempting to find homes for an ancient: >> >>"Commodore 64" ...the keyboard (pcu) was not communicating with the >monitor....some software...probably the manuals...I read that there are >persons who repair and collect these. >> >>Apple II GS; Packard Bell with their respective monitors, keyboards, >printers, manuals and software. >> >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Marie P.

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does anybody remember who was building generic front panels.

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

topic says all. I seem to have lost the web link.

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machine room organization

by Saquinn624＠aol.com

Does anyone on the list have any good tips for keeping a tidy machine room? I'm sick of tripping over CPUs and dealing with cable Gorgons when switching machines (I don't have near enough space for 1 monitor/keyboard/mouse per workstation). A/B/[C/D/E] switches work great for serial consoles, but not workstations. -Scott

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Many things

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Computer Collector Newsletter <news(a)computercollector.com> wrote: > In his defense... so the guy has a corporate .sig, who doesn't these days? I don't. > You just ignore the lawyers and go on with life. No, don't ignore them, shoot them. AK47 does wonders against lawyers. I have yet to meet a lawyer with any combat skills whatsoever. Lawyers are cowards hiding their sorry asses behind pigs (cops). But there are more of us than there are pigs! If every freedom-loving civilian took a gun and shot the first cop he met, we can get rid of pigs in no time, since there are so many more of us than there are of them, and take our planet back! > Now, as for why he's doing classiccmp stuff from his corporate email account, > that is what I want to know. Ram: get back to work. :) No, Ram doing ClassicCmp'ing on company time is not a sin, it's a very commendable act. Stealing corporate time and giving it to Worthy Causes For The People is noble and valiant. The problem is why is Ram using the corporate mail account?? Ram, install 4.3BSD-Quasijarus on your VAX (you have a VAX, don't you?), get a 56K leased line for it, and E-mail from that! MS

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Reading RX01/02 disks on a PC

by vcf＠siconic.com

So I'm in the process of pulling a bunch of files off of some RX02 disks to get them onto a PC. So far (thanks to help from Howard Harte) I've got an 11/44 with an RX02 drive running RSTS that has the DD module loaded. I'm running the serial tape drive simulator on a PC (I forget what it's called or who wrote it). So I can do: COPY DY1:*.* DD0: Which then copies all the files off of the disk into an image file on my PC. Works very nicely, albeit slowly (only 9600bps transfer rate). Is there a better way to do this? I've seen various postings of people getting RX02 drives connected to Linux boxen. How so? Has anyone done this? I also found this: http://www.chd.dyndns.org/rx02/ This is very cool. It's an RX02 simluator (hardware/software) that makes your PDP11 think your PC is an RX02 drive. It would be great if I could read the files from a real RX02 and then dump them into the emulated RX02. Can a PDP11 have two sets of RX02 drives installed at once? If so, do the second set of drives become DY2: and DY3:? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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extracting H/V sync from sync-on-green video signal?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

does anyone happen to have a schematic for a simple circuit to extract sync information from a sync-on-green video signal? I've got a screen here I'd like to hook up to the Tek (I left the normal monitor I use with the Tek at Bletchley), but it needs either seperate H and V sync lines hooked up, or composite sync - it won't do sync on green (which is all that the Tek provides). I keep on finding sync combining circuits that'll do seperate sync to sync on green everywhere, but nothing to do the reverse! cheers Jules

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Intellec MDS questions

by william.layer＠comcast.net

Hey all, Thanks for all the background and help on the Altair project. I'll be taking some pics of the pile for a 'before and after' set. Hopefully there will be an after worth mentioning ;-) Now on to Intel / Intellec MDS systems. I've got one that is alternately described as an MDS225 or and MDS800. IIRC, the dual-disk unit is marked MDS800, (blue in color) and the main chassis is marked MDS225 (white in color, has a monitor, kb, and a series of pushbuttons with LED indicators). Information on these units is pretty sparse on the web; multiple google searches have yielded little more than years of manufacture, and some price info. One question that should amuse the more veteran members of classiccmp is this: What exactly is meant by "Microcomputer Development System"? It's like that old joke about "Repairing Robots".. Are they referring to the process of repairing a robot, or to robots that perform repairs? Is the MDS a system for developing microcomputers, or is it a microcomputer that is used for other forms of hardware / software development, or a little of both? I'm getting the feeling that the latter might be the case. Secondly, what kind of operating system, applications, etc can one of the MDS units run? I'm told that it is an ISIS based system, but I really don't know much about ISIS. I assume it's a disk operating system, but beyond that I'm clueless. I'd like to think that there is some general-purpose OS I could run on it, play some wumpus, trek or life, amortize my mortgage, or maybe fire up a terminal emulator and get into the BBS scene. I'm clearly no expert in this old stuff, but I'm at least wise enough to realize what I *don't* know. Can someone fill in a few of the gaps? My MDS has an 8080A CPU card in it, some kind of memory card, and a disk controller. Also, a card that connects to a large ICE pod "Intel ICE-51", if that helps. TIA, Bill

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manual file types

by Saquinn624＠aol.com

Sounds like the most useful file types for scans of manuals would be one of: TIFF file (big) OCRed ASCII text (ugly) compressed PostScript of OCRed text (depending on OCR, could be nice). Is this right? -Scott Quinn

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ISA bus hack

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Mentioning my old employer, Calera Recognition Systems, reminded me of this ISA bus "hack." The OCR accelerator cards that Calera sold were able to find a free space in the memory map of the ISA bus and could even support multiple cards on one bus. No flash, jumpers, or dipswitches were involved, and this was before any Plug and Play. How it worked was this. The cards had a 68020 on them, along with a couple megabytes of memory and a few ASICs that accelerated key parts of the OCR algorithm. The 68020 would wake up from reset and "spin" -- meaning it would program a control register to indicate what address it was located at. It would park there for a while waiting to get written to by the host x86. If it didn't receive a write, it would move to the next address range, etc, and go around again and again util it was told to stay put. Complicating all of this was that the card very well might map to an address where some other card or memory already lived. The OCR card, in this mode, did not drive any signals, and was able to handle to 0 wait state writes. If the x86 was writing to or reading from RAM where the card was also located, the 68020 would see these and ignore them unless they followed a very complicated asymptotically approaching 0 probability sequence such that a card, seeing the sequence, was certain that it was the x86 trying to talk to it. Once a card received the sequence and was told to become visible, it would then turn on any handshake logic and could respond to reads and writes. The next layer of the onion was that multiple cards could be in the system at the same time. You don't want two cards to "wake up" at the same address in memory and then have a tristate catfight. Instead, part of the wake up sequence involved a one bit at a time arbitrartion process based on the card's unique serial numbers. Finally, the memory system attached to the 68020 wasn't fast enough to receive the reads and writes with zero wait state performance. However, the reset and interrupt request logic was, so that is what was used to signal to the 68020. The magic sequence of writes was seen on the 68020 as a sequence of interrupts and resets that followed a certain pattern (the logic could tell apart a hard reset from a soft reset; we were worried that the 68020's internal state wouldn't persist through soft reset, so we used a register that was inside one of the ASICs that was known to not get reset to hold the required tracking state). Parts of the implementation were overly complicated due to the fact that none of it was designed up front. It was implemented after we realized that we really didn't need to use the dip switches. Although it was all stochastic, all of the shenanigans would typically take less than a second so that nobody really noticed, and not having dip switches made the card a snap to install.

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extracting H/V sync from sync-on-green video signal?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 30 2005, 21:08, der Mouse wrote: > > I keep on finding sync combining circuits that'll do seperate sync to > > sync on green everywhere, but nothing to do the reverse! > > I thought the right thing there was to simply connect the green output > to both the green video input and the sync input. > > However, that's coming from someone who has never tried it (at least > not knowingly - I may have used adapters designed to do just that) and > who does not really understand the signals involved.... Hmm, now that you mention it, I remember trying something like that several years ago, when we had to have an SGI (RGB, SOG) drive a video projector (RGB, CSYNC). We had a 13W3-to-3xBNC cable and put a BNC T-piece on the green, with a short coax to the CSYNC BNC on the projector. It worked well enough, even though the T-piece and cable were 50-ohm cheapernet parts. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Help to ID Emulex board

by ddl-cctech＠danlan.com

On Jan 29 2005, 10:05, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: | | What is this board? | | Made by Emulex. Has ASSY# SU0210401. ROM on board says |"SC0210201-AXC W/ | Boot Strap". | | Has on top two 26-pin connectors and one 60-pin. Note that this board uses a 10MHz SMD interface so it will not support the Saber drives or even the Eagles. (An SC03 would handle the latter but not the former.) Dan Lanciani ddl(a)danlan.*com

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11/34 stuff response

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Wow. I think the entire list responded with interest on this. It sounds like several people are very interested in bidding on this - and I'm certainly not going to stand in the way. My primary interest is one RK05, an RK11D set, and some of the memory boards which could be used in my 11/45 restoration. Since so many people have already said they will bid on it, perhaps the best thing I can do is stand back and let everyone fight it out. However, bear in mind that I'm in St. Louis, 20 minutes from the guy. So I'd be willing to help out locally if the winning bidder wants, and would like to deal on the above mentioned stuff. Jay

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DG NOVA4/X runs

by tomj＠wps.com

Well I just put a cord on it, plugged it in and powered on. No smoke escaped. The CPU passes self-test (no idea what it really checks, but it alleges to be thorough) after I seated the memory board (I forgot just how tough to seat the 15 in square DG boards are). I can poke memory, registers, etc just fine. Took a bit to get the console wired right (to minicom on a laptop, 9600/8/n/1) as the sample cable (from the orig. install) was misleading. The tape drive probably has a bad vacuum sensor; I'll look at it Tuesday again. Might be cable fell off. It otherwise loads the tape and one vac col does the right thing. Other functions seem to work. I have a 2nd tape drive, not yet tested. The disk (10 fixed, 10 removable) is not behaving right. Problem with load/ready. Looks mechanically OK but I will do one more test before the covers come off and the scope and DVM come out. Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com>

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Many things

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ashley Carder" <wacarder(a)usit.net> > >I, too, like my vintage systems as much as the next guy, but lately I've >been finding >myself using the HyperTerminal app on my modern Win2K PC as the console >when I'm doing things on my 1973 PDP-11/40. I can toggle over to the web >browser while I'm copying RK05 disk packs, cut and paste the output of the >PDP-11/40 RT11 DIR command into an email on Outlook, and use simh to >test and run the RL01 disk image that I just sent from the 11/40 to my PC ---snip--- Hi Ashley I use my laptop as a replacement for papertape as well as a terminal. Dwight

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VMS 5.5-2?

by dholland＠woh.rr.com

I'm getting back around to seeing if I can get the data off that Vax 4000/300 I've got, and thought I'd be a good idea to have OS media handy. So, anyone have VAX VMS 5.5-2 (and TCP/IP) handy, that I can beg/borrow/mooch? (ISO images are perfectly good). (AFAICT, 5.5-2 is not available through the Hobbyist program.) Thanks, David

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VAXStation 100

by aek＠spies.com

Is a graphics display system that interfaced to a 780 through a unibus card and fibre optic link. An ACM article on it his here, if you have an account portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=357336&type=pdf It was the display that the original version of the X Window System was developed on.

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Data I/O manual sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Someone wrote... >Which adapter(s) do you need the manuals for? LogicPak 303A-V04, part number 950-1942-008 351B-086, part number 715-0004-001 351B-103, not sure of the part number 303A-011A CMOS/BiPolar-PLD PTA, part number 716-0045-007 303A-012 PTA, part number 716-0047-003 303A-009 PTA, not sure of the part number These are items I recently got, and have no manuals for. Also, I'm looking for a "recent" version of firmware for my 29B. Can anyone copy theirs for me? I'll gladly pay for the parts & shipping & your time! Jay

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Many things

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Randy McLaughlin <randy(a)s100-manuals.com> wrote: > - Run the result through tiff2ps(1) > - and finaly generate a PDF with ps2pdf(1). Could you perhaps be a little more friendly to people like me and Tony Duell who actually _USE_ our classic computers for our day-to-day work, including viewing classic computer documentation, and make the PostScript available as well, i.e., with the last step omitted? PostScript is infinitely more friendly to Classic Computers than PDF. A PostScript document can be easily handled by someone who has no computing technology younger than 1985, that's almost 20 y old, not just 10. No graphical operating system required (how the heck is one supposed to run Adobe Acrobat on a vintage command-line OS with a VT100 terminal??), just use your favourite Classic command-line OS, be it ancient UNIX, VMS, RSX, or whatever, to send the PostScript file (with a command line) to your |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| PrintServer 40 (one of the original PS printers, same time as LaserWriter), and you are done. Can't do that with PDF. And the original PostScript prior to PDF conversion is always infinitely better than PostScript produced by turning PDF back into PS (which is what I do with all PDFs that come my way, because converting back to PS with a command line tool is the only thing I can do with a PDF file). One of the first laws I will pass after my revolution is that anyone who publishes or sends to another person a PDF file produced by conversion from PostScript but withholds the PostScript source shall be dragged into the public square and flogged till he can't stand. The recipient of the PDF file would simply need to call NKVD/KGB with the complaint. MS

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two 11/34's, 11/03, six RK05's, etc

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Ebay item # 5159917411 two 11/34's, an 11/03, six RK05's, over 100 RK05 packs, loads of docs & software, etc. etc. The guy doesn't want to ship any of it. Interestingly, he's about 20 minutes >from my house. Since he doesn't want to ship he may have a hard time selling it. I don't want much of this, perhaps a couple of the RK05's. Someone willing to take a lot of this and go in with me? I just don't want to see it go to a landfill if no one buys it, and it's very close. Jay

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by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote: > Sorry to burst your bubble, but your experiment has been tried already. > It was called the Soviet Union. It crumbled in a most mighty fashion > after about 50 years. Simply stated, Communism doesn't work. I'm stating here on the record that I most totally disagree with you on every single point, most importantly that the Soviet Union *never* failed or crumbled, but was rather decimated by an ET race of dragons, and I have enlisted in the Galactic Federation Armed Forces to fight and reverse that defeat. Communism DOES work, it is the most wonderful system in the Universe, and I *WILL* prove it to you, though unfortunately I'm afraid the proof will have to be in the form of a bullet to the head for all you greedy capitalist pigs. If it were up to me, I would like to flame you to death here on this list, but per Jay's request I'll refrain >from doing so and this will be my final word on the subject. MS

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Oops! Figured it out, re: Portfolio screen contrast

by news＠computercollector.com

LOL, I just noticed the function key labeled (duh) "contrast"... ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 665 readers and counting!

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Atari Portfolio screen contract?

by news＠computercollector.com

Hey, does anyone know how to adjust the display on a Portfolio? I read something about peeling off the screen protector, but that sounds risky. ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all -- W: http://news.computercollector.com E: news(a)computercollector.com -- 665 readers and counting!

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HP 7900 related on ebay

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Item # 3870527239 is a 13215 power supply. This is the rackmount power supply designed to go with an HP 7900A disc drive. If you have a drive, get the power supply :) Jay

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Fwd: compaq's portable computer

by qovpatlh＠hotmail.com

Joe - Re: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2004-May/029003.html Do you have a Portable III setup disk? Can you image/zip it and send it to me? I have a friend that uses one of these regularly as a MIDI device - works great, now he wants to get his spare up and running. Thanks, Mark

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Intellec MDS questions

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I will try with some of this. I am sure there is more in the list archives. The MDS 800 was the first development system It was a Multibus 1 backplane and usually had a CPU card, memory card, a two disk floppy drive controller, a HD controller (SMD most likely) and a emulation card set. The dual 8 inch disk drive unit you have is originally off one of these, that is why it is labeled MDS 800. The MDS 225 is either a System 2 or 3 in the development system line. Usually the white ones were System 3s but not always. MDS 225 is the System 2 part number. There is also a funny looking System 4 which uses 5 1/4 inch floppys and HD. In development work they usually were plugged into an ICE or In Circuit Emulator. You have a ICE-51 which is used in developing circuits using the Intel 8051 or 8751 CPU chips. The ICE is usually plugged into the CPU socket in the circuit it is emulating. So they really are a computer system used for developing microcomputer systems. There is CPM available for the system 2 & 3s. They have been used for writing documentation but this was not their main job. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Replacing 8" drive with 3.5" drive on CP/M systems

by randy＠randy482.com

I have tried to get a quorum on comp.os.cpm but there are only a few with any opinions. We all agree that 3.5" drives are a viable way to go. Many prefer to never change from 8" drives. I have a variety of CP/M systems with a variety of storage mediums. The point is for those of us that use 3.5" HD drives should try and come to a consensus for a "standardized" format. Questions such as sector size and numbering come to mind. With more PC's dropping 3.5" drives does that mean there will be a limit to new drives all together? Are USB drives a reasonable option. I've been using Flash ROM cards and I am hoping to come up with a scheme for sharing data with PC's. I like Flash cards since digital cameras should help support continue on PC's. I'm also looking into IDE based CD/DVD drives but they are a one way road since I do not believe CP/M systems will ever write them. I am trying to build a quorum of technically minded CP/M users to try and develop a semi-standard and other ideas. Randy

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MAJOR OT - Re: Many things

by marvin＠rain.org

I had my eyes opened last year when I stayed at a home in Hungary and had the chance to talk with the owner. Somehow the conversation turned to the Communist takeover of Hungary back in 1956. She mentioned how all the services went downhill from what they had been. BUT she also mentioned some of the pluses such as zero unemployment. I have since heard this from others, and I had never thought that Communism had ANY pluses except for the people running the government. Also more importantly to the comments below, I think you will find that Communism and Socialism are not the same. > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Michael Sokolov wrote: > > > That is why we need a socialist government that would eliminate > > unemployment with a massive public works program that would hire > > millions of people to do the re-ASCII-fication work. > > Michael, > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > Sorry to burst your bubble, but your experiment has been tried already. > It was called the Soviet Union. It crumbled in a most mighty fashion > after about 50 years. Simply stated, Communism doesn't work. >

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Reading RX01/02 disks on a PC

by aek＠spies.com

> Works very nicely Assuming there are no bad blocks on the floppy A Catweazel board in a PC will read DEC double density discs as well although I've not been very impressed with abilities of the data separator code on double-density data. I've had the best results recovering RX02 data using dual-wide QBus floppy controllers that have a 50 pin interface (Sigma Designs et. al.) and a Qume DT-8 drive. I run RT11 on a ZIP drive, read a bunch of images, and sneakernet the ZIP cart over to a system with E11 to dump the images.

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Surplus Items (cleaning out my compuer room)

by Saquinn624＠aol.com

Expanded list: This is kind of a mixup, things are listed as I got to them. If you want to trade for them, great, if not e-mail me and I might give it to you FFS. I'm in Western Wash., and I will ship stuff. Sun 4-drive lunchbox (most parts were removed) Sun Ultra-1 case (PS bad) I'm probably going to toss these, but if anyone needs them, they're FFS. Wyse-150 terminal -- works but NVRAM battery dead (BR-type lithium)(hit space on powerup to clear batt error) RS/6000 3CT parts. processor card, planar, S4.5 memory card, floppy, P/S, SCSI cable, processor power card, case, Medeco lock&key, Ethernet interface card (AUI & thin), probably some other stuff. Novell NetWare 2.2 serialized 5 user & manuals, for 286, 386, 486 Microsoft InPort bus mouse (8-bit ISA). Okidata Microline 24 pin printhead, carriage, narrow-format gear rack, RS-232 interface & tractor Compaq ProLiant drive tray for SCA drives, wide-ultra compatible [may be taken] Sun SPUD-2 sled Power Macintosh 7200/75 Logic board HP PA-8000 processor fan/heatsink assembly, from C180 Macintosh 1.44 MB diskette drive (new type-with door) Mac (DB-15) to VGA (HD-15) video cable Texas Microsystems SVC-70 SBus Versatec interface Sun SPARCstation 5/110, 128MB/2GB with SunOS 4.1.3_U1 or Solaris 2.6, includes Type 5c keyboard/mouse Indigo2 feet (in IMPACT purple) IBM P-200 20" 13W3 Trinitron monitor with 13W3 cable. IRIS Indigo drive sled IBM RS/6000 keyboard (clicky IBM with integrated speaker) IRIS Indigo2 IMPACT R4400/250 (Solid IMPACT) Indigo2 IMPACT R4400/250 Dual Head (Solid/Extreme) Indy R5000SC/150, XL8 (IRIX backups with above if wanted) Power Macintosh 7200 (Upgraded to Tsunami/180MHz)(can downgrade to orig. if wanted) IBM MCA GTX-150M graphics for RS/6000 IBM CATIA/CADAM Version 4 Release 2 software for AIX IBM AIX version 4.3.3 documentation IBM buttons and dials, model 6094-010 & 6094-020 Sun type 5c keyboard Dell Latitude CP PCMCIA card slot module Dell Latitude CP keyboard Dell Latitude CP 233 MHz Pentium-M processor module Dell Latitude CP touchpad& palm rest Dell Latitude CP bottom case with latches. Things I'm looking for: Motorola 88k (e.g. AViiON) , DEC stuff, SGI Indigo/IRIS 68k, small Control Data/Data General, and other "interesting" hardware, also Mac stuff, MMJ->console (DB-25m) cable, scope probes (for Tek 555? scope), SCSI cables, Sun Ultra1 RAM, and so on. S/W: IRIX, 4.0.5 (All platforms/IDE) Domain/OS 10.4.1 (tapes or installation tools and Authorized Area copy), DG/UX for AViiON 88k, NeXTstep/OpenStep (Intel/Sun), fun IRIX/SunOS/Solaris/Domain/HP-UX stuff, things like that. parallel keyboard for CP/M system, Apollo documentation (425e/SR10.4.1) or-make me an offer. -Scott Quinn

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RL02 disk packs

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

There are 10 of these on ebay for ?15 each. Postage is quite high for just one. But they end tomorrow. I have no connection with seller, just thought someone would be interested. Dan

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The definition of On Topic

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Jay, thank you for your definition of classicness, I have saved your message and will use it as a reference. It perfectly agrees with my own thoughts on what is classic and what isn't, and I'm glad that you were able to put it in writing eloquently so I didn't have to. :-) MS

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Blast from the Past

by marvin＠rain.org

In going though the archived ClassicCmp messages I'm getting ready to send to Jay, I ran across several that were quite interesting. This one by Doug Salot was a discussion about the "first" personal computer. ************* Hi, ClassicCmp. I haven't re-subscribed yet, but I hope to as soon as my life reaches a quiescent state (I'm done breaking eggs, and I'm now working on the omelette). I check Kevan's web archive once in a while, so I got a chance to catch the "first pc" thread. Of course, my idea of crowning a machine with the title "the first pc" was intended to be a catalyst for discussion, and to help dispel the popular myth that the Altair was the first pc, or that it started the hobbyist movement, or any such nonsense. However, I think Simon is the best candidate for that title. Yes, there were other simple machines built before Simon, such as Stibitz's relay calculator, the first version of which was built on his kitchen table. But I don't consider such one-offs to be viable contenders. Simon was built in 1950 by Edmund Berkeley for the express purpose of educating the masses and with the express hopes of fostering a computer hobbyist movement. So, who was this Berkeley guy? He was one of the lesser known players in the start of the computer revolution. He was a mathematician who worked on the Harvard Mark II, he worked with Eckert and Mauchly to help define the Univac, he founded the ACM, he started the first computer magazine, etc. How did Simon differ from other simple relay machines, like the first Stibitiz calculators? It was more general purpose, it was portable, and it was popularized in the press. 13 articles on Simon appeared in Radio-Electronics in 1950 and 1951. It was the subject of a cover story in Scientific American. It was covered in two of Berkeley's books. It was given television coverage and appeared in such mainstream magazines as Life. Berkeley was the first computer evangelist -- the first to articulate the idea of a personal computer, and the first to build one. Of course, there were others, such as Vanevar Bush, who described futuristic visions, but Berkeley dedicated a good part of his life to making computers accessible to mere mortals. I haven't stumbled upon a machine yet more deserving of "the first pc" title than Simon, and given the depth of Berkeley's work, I don't expect to. But Simon was just the first milestone towards the goal of accessible personal computers, and it doesn't diminish the importance of the PDP-8, the Mark-8, or even the lowly IBM PC. OK, I'll crawl back under my rock now. -- Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute Featuring... http://www.blinkenlights.com/ Nearly Forgotten Personal Computers

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Fwd: compaq's portable computer

by redodd＠comcast.net

Subject: Fwd: compaq's portable computer >Joe - >Re: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2004-May/029003.html >Do you have a Portable III setup disk? Can you image/zip it and send it to me? I have a friend that >uses one of these regularly as a MIDI device - works great, now he wants to get his spare up and >running. >Thanks, >Mark Here it is. http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/obsolete_diagnostics.html Ralph

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I'm working on another side project, a Mini-ITX conversion of a non-working PCjr system. I don't have a keyboard for it, but I can choose >from wired or wireless PCjr or standard keyboards. For the wireless PCjr keyboard, I don't have the thingey that would connect to the PC. Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern system? Any recommentations? Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Altair8800 'kit' - can you identify this stuff?

by herbjohnson＠comcast.net

From: "William Layer" <william.layer(a)comcast.net> >> Thanks for the info so far.. here are the ugly details on the 'kit'.. [details on the SD System S-100 card set in an Altair 8800 chassis, with assorted other cards] "Randy McLaughlin" posted: Herb Johnson has some great stuff on your disk controller you need to get: http://retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/s100.html ----------------------- Thanks for the referral, Randy. In fact I have manuals on most of the cards that William mentioned, and I've emailed William accordingly. As Randy posted, it looks to me like there is not much left of the Altair, in the Altair! The SD System stuff probably ran the CP/M or SDOS system on those disks with that system. It would be reasonable, in fact, to get *another* S-100 box and put those SD System cards in THAT; and to see about rebuilding the remaining, actual MITS cards and the MITS chassis seperately. The MITS might need a very old memory card to work with that 8080 processor and front panel, due to some bus differences. But it's all in what the new owner wants to do and what resources he obtains to do so. Herb JOhnson Herbert R. Johnson, voice 609-771-1503, New Jersey USA <a href="http://retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff"> web site</a> <a href="http://retrotechnology.net/herbs_stuff"> domain mirror</a> **MY "njcc.com" site & email is EXPIRED ** my email address: herbjohnson ATT comcast DOTT net if no reply, wait & try: hjohnson AAT retrotechnology DOTT com "Herb's Stuff": old Mac, SGI, 8-inch floppy drives S-100 IMSAI Altair computers, docs, by "Dr. S-100" -- Herbert R. Johnson, voice 609-771-1503, New Jersey USA <a href="http://retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff"> web site</a> <a href="http://retrotechnology.net/herbs_stuff"> domain mirror</a> **MY "njcc.com" site & email is EXPIRED ** my email address: herbjohnson ATT comcast DOTT net if no reply, wait & try: hjohnson AAT retrotechnology DOTT com "Herb's Stuff": old Mac, SGI, 8-inch floppy drives S-100 IMSAI Altair computers, docs, by "Dr. S-100"

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by mhstein＠canada.com

----------Original Message----------- ....Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern system? Any recommendations? Thanks. Rich --------------------------------------------- There is a Serial Port IR receiver on the mini-ITX hardware page; looks like the LIRC without the regulator. BTW: if you or anyone else (except Cameron - I know what he'd do with it!) needs or wants one, I've got a PCjr keyboard (the one with "real" keys), NOS/IB; $10+S mike mhstein at canada dot com

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Help to ID Emulex board

by vcf＠siconic.com

What is this board? Made by Emulex. Has ASSY# SU0210401. ROM on board says "SC0210201-AXC W/ Boot Strap". Has on top two 26-pin connectors and one 60-pin. "Ditronics-I" silk-screened on board in tiny letters. Ideas? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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HP terminal wanted

by rygifts＠cox.net

Did you find a terminal? My father has just put on an HP-2648A Terminal on eBay. Just look up HP-2648A and it will pop up if you are still interested in one, or know someone who needs one. We also have other HP items up for bid. If there is any other older calculator or computer parts you need, my father might have it. thanks, Becky

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NTSC test pattern generator on VCD?

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Dang, your ears are *much* better than mine.... hell even dogs stop at >about 30Khtz or so... LOL... yes, I was thinking wrong. I remembered it as being 1000 Hz tone, and for some reason I decided that was 1 MHz, not 1 KHz. My bad (and that is exactly why I said I would have to look it up to be sure) But hey, my doctor always did say I had the best range of hearing of any patient he ever had :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Many things

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Just for the record I want to say that I agree with every single point made by Tony in this thread, without exceptions. It looks like we are the only two TRUE ClassicCmp'ers in the world. MS

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Many things

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Randy McLaughlin <randy(a)s100-manuals.com> wrote: > You snipped all of my comments but only left my name, My apologies, I've hit 'r' on the wrong message, I was really replying to the post you replied to. (I failed to notice it, though, because you didn't use '> ' or other indent quotation.) > More than that you missed the biggest point, PostScript is useless in this > case since the documents are stored as graphical images and cannot be used > on the classic computers. While of course a re-ASCII-fied document would be infinitely better, a PostScript page description that uses nothing but the image operator is still not totally useless to Classic computers, since it can still be printed on a Classic PostScript printer, and the act of printing can be performed from a Classic command line OS. > I scan many documents and I can tell you that OCR'ing them and formatting > them so classic computers can handle them takes a huge amount of time. I > have better things to do with my time, including scanning more documents. That is why we need a socialist government that would eliminate unemployment with a massive public works program that would hire millions of people to do the re-ASCII-fication work. MS

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by list＠saracom.com

At 07:37 AM 1/30/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >For the wireless PCjr > >keyboard, I don't have the thingey that would connect to the PC. > > > > Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern > >system? Any recommentations? > >It has been a while since I've looked at my PCjr, but IIRC, the IR >receiver is built into the chassis of the PCjr. Thus, there is nothing to >"connect" to the PC, and thus, it would be improbable that you could use >the PCjr keyboard wirelessly with a modern PC. > >-chris Actually I think its a small PCB with an IR receiver and a IC chip of some sort which stands off from the main board. I am not sure it would much help for him anyway. max

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Using an IBM PCjr wireless keyboard

by list＠saracom.com

At 12:01 PM 1/29/2005 -0600, you wrote: >All: > > I'm working on another side project, a Mini-ITX conversion of a >non-working PCjr system. I don't have a keyboard for it, but I can choose >from wired or wireless PCjr or standard keyboards. For the wireless PCjr >keyboard, I don't have the thingey that would connect to the PC. > > Has anyone ever tried to use the PCjr wireless keyboard on a modern >system? Any recommentations? > > Thanks. > >Rich Rich, I would like to see pics of the final project. I have considered doing this with a dead PCjr for a while. Have you been to the mini-itx.com site? Max

21 years, 3 months

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Vintage databooks on eBay

by rcini＠optonline.net

For your consideration: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=4523753903&r d=1 Due to the size, might be a good thing for someone on the West Coast to bid on. Just posting the link...I have no connection to the auction at all. There are some nice databooks in this lot... Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

21 years, 3 months

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Using 3.5" HD drives on CP/M systems

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29 2005, 18:26, Glen Slick wrote: > The software involved in doing data transfers to a USB floppy or flash > memory device would not be trivial to implement, and might require a > dedicated microprocessor instead of trying to run it on the S-100 host > processor. Hmm, maybe; maybe not. A Beeb enthusiast named John Kortink has produced an MMC interface for a BBC Micro. It's called GoMMC and it allows you to store files using a normal BBC filing system on a MultiMedia Card. Actually the card stores disk images, but makes them available to the normal filing systems. The card can also be read/written on an IBM PC (so you can move it and back it up). Take a look at http://web.inter.nl.net/users/J.Kortink/home/hardware/gommc/index.htm if you're interested. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 3 months

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eMate 300 hardware questions

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Apologies if this is too new to be officially on-topic, but as a slightly newer expression of Newton hardware, I hope an eMate question won't be completely inappropriate... I have these two eMates here... I got them at 'parts' prices because they were listed 'as-is' with "ribbon cable problems"... both fire up, show stuff on the screen, and neither one seems to have a working digitizer ("tablet"). One also has some dropped pixel rows on the left half of the screen - looks like a bad driver or bad line on the video RAM, but there's enough of the screen legible to see what's going on... I have taken the one with the video voids apart completely, and an trying to figure out where the problem might lie. After completely removing the video ribbon cable, I tried a white eraser on the contacts (vinyl, not abrasive like a pink pearl), and hooked up the display to the screen with the boards on the table... no change in behavior. The keyboard and CPU seem to work fine, and I'm getting reasonable behavior at an OS level, but no apparent perception of the stylus on the screen. So... are there any Newt experts that might be able to shed any light? I've been grubbing up FAQs left and right, but they don't go to this level of detail... at best, I have the Apple eMate service manual which _does_ describe in sufficient detail how to dismantle the beast, but it only references a PCMCIA card with pre-loaded diagnostics on it, nothing embedded in the ROM. :-( There don't appear to be any crimps or tears in the ribbon. I can't easily inspect the connectors on the motherboard or display, but there are no obvious external mechanical problems (i.e., the latches all seem to be good, no tool marks, etc.) Thanks for any pointers -ethan

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