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by ethan＠757.org

A friend and I went in on an Amiga 4000T haul last weekend, and with it were some nice hard binder and box Microware OS-9 68x00 books. I want to say there are two sets of two, and then some binders with photocopied style paperwork for BASIC. Is there any Microware fans that might want these? We were planning to put most of the Amiga software up on eBay to cut down the cost of the aquisition since it's mostly boring accounting/word processing stuff. There are no disks with these manuals, just looking to find them a new home. Can get more details if anyone is interested. -- : Ethan O'Toole

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OCR old software listing

by ldkraemer＠gmail.com

The only way I've been able to get any type of readable ASCII TEXT >from the .tif's is to do the following for each tif: convert -density 1200 -resize 40% xaaa.tif -density 1 xaaa120040.tif Then, OCR it with Irfanview with the KADMOS Plugin Installed. For the first Page I get the following ASCII: CHAR 000000RG CHCR 000216R CHlF 000224R CHRTAB = ****** G CHSPC 000232R CH05 000014R CH1 000024R CH15 000062R CH2 000070R - CH23 000110R CH24 000134R CH25 000140R CH26 000144R CH3 000150R CH4 000164R _~__~___~_____~ CH5 080212R CR = 000015 CTLP = 000020 )DAC0 = ****** G DACl = ****** G DAC2 = ****** G DUM = 000000 INC 000240R INC6 000242R INC8 080244R LF = 000012 PC =%000007 R0 =%000000 R1 =%000001 R2 =%000002 R3 ~%000003 R4 =%000004 R5 =%000~~5 ~___~~___~~ R6 =%000006 R7 =%000007 SP =%000006 SPACE = 000048 . = 000246R END ? ;***************************************************** ,. ... , . . ; ; CHARACTER DISPLAY ~ VERSION 3C ; ; NOV 15,1974 ,; _~~._ ~ ; R0=PTR TO BUFFER OF CHARS-FIRST WORD #OF B~TES ; R1=BIT TEST ROTATING MASK ~ R2=CHARACTER INCERMENT-DETERMINES CHARACTER SIZE ; R3=POINTER AT CHAR DOT DATA . ; R4=X POSITION OF FIRST CHAR ; R5=Y POSlTlON OF FTRST CHAR ; 000000 ~ R0=%0 000001 R1=%1 000002 R2=%2 ? 000003 R3=%3 080004 R4=%4 000005 R5=%5 000006 R6=%6 000007 R7=%7 000007 PC=R7 000006 SP=R6 000020 CTLP=20 000040 SPACE=40 000015 CR=15 000012 LF=12 ' 000000 DUM=0 .TITLE .CHAR .GLOBL CHAR,DAC0,DAC1,0AC2,CHRTAB 000000 .CSECT , 000000 012046 CHRR: MO~ (R0)+,-(SP) ;GET CHAR COUNT 000002 016702 MOV INC,R2 ~SET CHARACTER SIZE 000232 000006 012737~ MOV #-2048 .~#OAC2 ;TURN DOT OFF JUST IN CASE 1740~0 000000 000014 005316 CH05: DEC (SP> ;IS THERE MORE CHARS? 000016 002002 BGE CH1 ;~ES-GO DRAW THEM 000820 005726 TST (SP)+ ;NO-POP OLD CTR 000022 000207 RTS PC ;RLL DONE!!!!!~!!~!!!!!1~!!!!11! 000024 112AA7 CW?l? MnWR (P0~~...P-e? .nrT r?uc,o It's no where near 50% accurate, but it's the best I've got so far. Page 2 is: \ ~~~~1~ 000042 001470 BEQ CHLF ;YES-GO LF --- ---~ 000044 122703 CMPB #SPACE,R3 ;NO-IS THIS A SPACE? 000040 000850 001470 BEQ CHSPC ;~ES-GO SPACE 000052 003003 BGT 0H15 ;NO-IF LESS THAN.SRAC~-B~~-~*RR PAGE 001. 000054 122703 CMPB #137~R3 ;IS IT GREAYER TH8N-1~~2~ ----- 000137 000060 002003 BGE CH2 ;NO-GOOD CHAR~ ~--~~-~---~-----? 000062 012703~CH15: MOV #CHRTAB,R3 ~YES-BAD CHAR 0001300 , ? 000066 000410 BR CH23 000070 162703 CH2: SUB #37,R3 ;ZERO FOR FIRST CHAR IN~TABLE 000037 0000~ 010301 MOV R3,Rl ~SAVE VALE TEMP ~--~--~~----- 000076 006303 ASL R3 ;R3=R3*2 000100 060103 ADD R1~R3 ;R3=R3*3 - 000102 006303 ASL R3 ;R3=R3*6 (FOR 3 WORDS) 0801~ 062703~ ADD #CHRTAB,R3 ~~ P~ AT FIR~ CHAR~~ATR ~~~E 000000 000110 012701 CH23? MnV #20A,R1 ~SET TEST BIT -~-~--~-_~-~ 000200 000114 010546 MOV R5,-(SP> ;SAVE lNITIAL ~ POSIT~ON 000116 010467 MO~ R4,CH24+2 ;SA~E INITIAL X 80001.4 ? 00~122 010367 MOV R3,CH25+2 ;SAVE INITIAL CHAR PTR 08881 4 ??,..___ ,.~ ~.,,~,_,,__?,., 000126 005137~ COM @#DAC2 ;TURN DOT ON INTO CHAR 008008 ~ 000132 000404 BR CH26 ;SKIP 000134 012704 CH24: MOV #DUM,R4 ;RESET PTR 000000 0AA14A A127A~ CH25: MOV #DU~ R~ ;RESET X 000000 008144 012780 CH26: MOV #6,R0 ;SET B~TE CTR ' 000006 000150 130123 CH3: BITB Rl,(R3)+ ~IS THE BIT ON? 000152 001404 BEQ CH4 ;NO-DONT MOVE IN DACS 000154 010437' MnV R4,~#OAC0 ~MO~ X ~ --~- ~ 000000 ~ 000160 010537~ MO~ R5,@#DAC1 ;MOVE Y ~__-___ - --- 000000 000164 060204 CH4: ADD R2~R4 ;INCREMENT X 000166 005300 DEC R0 ;DONE ALL THE B~TES? _ 000170 003367 BGT CH~ ;NO-SO FINISH -~~ 000172 160205 SUB R2,R5 ;'DECREMENT y 000174 000241 ' CLC 000176 106001 RORB R1 ;MOVE TEST BIT DOWN ONE ? 000200 001355 BNE CH24 ~IF NOT ZERO DRAW NEXT ROW 000202 060204 ADD R2,R4 ;ZERO-SETUP FOR NEXT CHAR 000284 8126A5 MOV (SP~+,R5 ~REP~ACE INITIRL Y 000206 005137~ COM @#DAC2 ;TURN DOT OFF OUT OF CHAR 000008 000212 012600 CH5: MOV (SP)+,R0 ;REPLACE PTR 000214 000677 BR CH05 ;GO TO IT AGRIN 000216 012704 CHCR: MOV #-2048.,R4 ;RESET X TO FAR LEFT 174000 l~3~~~2 ~~~77~ ~~ ~u~ .,_~~ I don't know if it's even worth it to continue. Some of the page are so dark that they don't scan at all. The best ones aren't anything to brag about. Ideas? Suggestions? Thanks. Larry

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Pascal Microengine disks images available.

by jos.dreesen＠greenmail.ch

Finally got around to imaging the +/- 80 floppies that came with my ACI-90 Pascal Microengine system. Disks of general interest can be downloaded on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/WD9000/MicroEngine.zip These are mostly variants of the OS and a set of system selftests. Image SYSTEM/OS_F0_SingleDensity.IMD might be of particular interest as that is a single-density OS-disk, might be needed for those with very early systems. All others images are for double-density systems. Sorry for the lack of documentation, I don have anymore than this, and have yet to check the contents... As a sidenote, all BASF disks were unproblematic, unlike the ControlData and noname parts that were also in the mix. Jos

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On Scanning

by grif615＠mindspring.com

On another forum, a JW Early did a lot of magazine scans. ?I'll look to see if I saved any of his descriptions. ?My memory, ?he scanned twice, once for line and text, and again for images. -------- Original message -------- From: Guy Dunphy via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: 01/01/2019 01:29 (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: On Scanning This may be a good place to mention a text I began writing some while ago: On Scanning. ? http://everist.org/temp/__On_scanning.htm Meant to be a 'how to' about scanning and post-processing techniques, written as I explored that myself. It's not finished because I was working on a solution to the 'screened images with overlaid sharp text' post-processing problem, when sidetracked. As often happens with me. Also that project diverged into the whole text encoding thing. Which I can't discuss, but I *can* discuss scanning issues. Anyway, any comments, corrections and suggestions for extra material are welcome. Oh, and those with an interest in Apple history may find this amusing: ? http://everist.org/NobLog/20181001_missing_wave.htm Guy Y

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PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Paul Koning >> I haven't sat down with -C and -D manuals and done a bit-by-bit >> compare. I just did that (I used the "RK11-C Moving Head Disk Drive >> Controller Manual", DEC-11-HRKA-D, and the 1976 "Peripherals Handbook"), >> and found in the following: >> In the RKDS: bit 7 has changed the definition slightly ("Drive Ready" >> to "R/W/S Ready"), but seems to be basically the same. > You mean bit 6? Bit 7 is "drive ready" in both. @*#$@*$%@&*!!!!! My silverfishionado nature screwed me! I didn't have an RK11-D manual in paper, so I relied on the "Peripherals Handbook" - and it's got an error! In both the 1975 and 1976 edition, the _diagram_ for the RKDS shows bit 7 as "R/W/S Ready", and bit 6 as "Access ready", but the _table_ shows bit 7 as "Drive Ready", and bit 6 as "R/W/S Ready"! OK, so let me ditch that, since it's self-contradictory, and thefore necessarily erroneous. I'll switch to the RK11-D User's Manual, EK-RK11D-OP-001. It gives bit 7 as "Drive Ready", and bit 6 as "R/W/S Ready". (The RK11-C manual gave bit 7 as "Drive Ready", and bit 6 as "Access Ready".) > Bit 6 has a different name in the two descriptions but the meaning > appears to be the same. Yup. Thanks for catching that for me! Noel

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On Scanning

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Very nice book scanner!There is? probably?a? second? career?? ?out there? for? you if? you? chose to? make them!Ed# In a message dated 1/1/2019 11:01:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > This may be a good place to mention a text I began writing some while ago: > > On Scanning. >? http://everist.org/temp/__On_scanning.htm > > Meant to be a 'how to' about scanning and post-processing techniques, written as I > explored that myself. It's not finished because I was working on a solution to the > 'screened images with overlaid sharp text' post-processing problem, when sidetracked. > As often happens with me. Also that project diverged into the whole text encoding > thing. Which I can't discuss, but I *can* discuss scanning issues. > > Anyway, any comments, corrections and suggestions for extra material are welcome. > Here's a video on a diy book scanner I built in order to scan all the Crescent Software documentation I got.? Seems relevant to this. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niwLAbgRpDE (Crescent Software archive is here: http://annex.retroarchive.org/crescent) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby.? Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

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Happy New Year!

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Happy? New? Year? to all! Ed# Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Al Kossow > I do not archive any paper myself. There are quite a few silver-dish lovers; you might be able to raise some funds by listing stuff on eBait (although I can easily see that maybe it would be more hassle than it's worth). > Currently, I am being asked to reduce my backlog inside of Shustek and > am making some hard choices. Can you say anything about this (it sounds troubling)? Can we help in any way? (And the "inside of Shustek" is puzzling - I thought Shustek was a person?) Noel

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PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

by fritzm＠fritzm.org

Hi all, Some here may know I?ve been working on an 11/45 restoration off and on for some time now. My ?45 currently has floating point, KT11-C mem mgmt, 124 kword MS11-L, and an RK11-C with one restored RK05 drive. Last week I decided to see if I could bring up RSTS/E on the machine. I managed to sysgen a minimal V06C system that can run off a single RK05 pack under simh, but when I transfer that image to the real hardware using pdp11gui it does not seem to completely/successfully boot. The ?Option:? boot loader comes up and sub-commands there seem to be working (in particular, the ?HARDWARE? sub command shows correctly detected hardware and options). When booting RSTS/E, after supplying date and time, the idle pattern starts on the front panel (but just the bottom part, on the data lights). When console is in display register mode, it shows an increasing count. Console input is echo?d, but the INIT banner and subsequent prompts are never printed and the read light on the RK05 flickers continuously as if the system is trying to read the same sector over and over. Figured I?d ping here in case this is a known failure mode to folks more familiar with RSTS/E? Also posted over on the vcfed DEC forum. FWIW, the machine is passing all MAINDEC CPU, MMU, FP, KW11, and RK11 diagnostics. Cheers, ?-FritzM.

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OCR old software listing

by ldkraemer＠gmail.com

I used the libtiff-tools (Debian 8.x - 32 Bit) to extract all 61 .TIF's >from the Multipage .tif file. While the .tif's look descent, and RasterVect shows the .tif properties to be Group 4 Fax (1bpp) with 5100 x 6600 pixels - 300 DPI, I can't get tesseract 3.x, TextBridge Classic 2.0, or Irfanview with KADMOS Plugin to OCR any of the .tif files, with descent results. I'd expect an OCR of 85 to 90 % correct conversion to ASCII text. Typically, one of the three above Software packages will do a descent job of OCRing .tif's of such scans. (Most PDF's end up at 72 x 72 DPI, and converting them to 300 DPI, allows them to be properly OCR'd.) If anyone else has had better luck, I'd like to know what your process is. Thanks. Larry

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Apollo 8 Mission Control printers, or not?

by steven＠malikoff.com

Being the 50th anniversary of the flight of Apollo 8, I was watching a newly-uploaded informational film of the mission on Youtube: https://youtu.be/83cGclY9OZk?t=1092 At 18:02 and 18:13 there are what appeasr to be small blue/green tabletop printers on trolleys positioned next to the consoles. They don't have an I/O Selectric form factor but are more like a teletype, or something else entirely, in a sound-deadening box. There's no platen knob visible and it doesn't look to be fanfold paper (I think) so I'm just curious as to any idea what they are? Steve.

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Resolution? of? photos seems? low? however.?? Was? this? a? set? made at an? earlier? time? A? useful? reference? though as? most? ?would? never? be able? to collect up? a set? of these. We? are? thankful? ?for? what? we? have .Ed# SMECC In a message dated 12/31/2018 10:12:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: On 12/31/18 5:20 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > Are these currently online? They are on bitsavers under afips for now The intent/agreement when I gave IEEE my scans was they were to be hosted by CHM, but that hasn't happened yet. They are also the entire volume, IEEE distributes them by paper and left off the front matter.

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Are these currently online? Ed# Thanks go to Al Kossow for supplying ACM with scans of AFIPS and perhaps more.)> > >

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KIP 2050 image scanner

by guykd＠optusnet.com.au

At 03:10 AM 31/12/2018 -0600, you wrote: >I know of one outside of Chicago that is as is. I might be ab;e to move it >a state or two or help out with the arrangements. I know nothing about >it, but I can text or email 2 pics. > >Paul User manual: https://www.manualslib.com/download/647954/Kip-2050.html

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KIP 2050 image scanner

by useddec＠gmail.com

I know of one outside of Chicago that is as is. I might be ab;e to move it a state or two or help out with the arrangements. I know nothing about it, but I can text or email 2 pics. Paul

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RSTS source tape

by iamvirtual＠gmail.com

Does anyone know the OFFICIAL status of RSTS/E source? I am aware of the Mentec license, but it appears to only grant a license to the binary distribution. I believe I have source tapes to RSTS/E version 5 & 6 that I would like to release copies, but I cannot until I can get official permission. I acquired the tapes from a person who did some development on early PDP-11's. I am checking my binary versions of the RSTS tapes and if they are ok, I can release RSTS/E V5B and RSTS/E V6B. --barrym

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More old stuff incoming

by wpointon＠earthlink.net

-----Original Message----- >From: Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Sent: Dec 19, 2018 5:57 AM >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: More old stuff incoming > >On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 22:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk ><cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium. I don't /think/ >> there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken. > >As "system_glitch" said, there were. > >The original model 30 was an 8086, and not even a great one -- it >didn't have true VGA, for instance. > >http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/7492.htm > >It was also available in a small-form-factor all-in-one case as the Model 25: > >http://www.ibmfiles.com/pages/ps2model25.htm > >http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1183 > >Easily mistaken for a PS/1. That got me a lot of abuse on Twitter recently. > >Then there was the Model 30-286, a sort of mucked-about PC-AT. > >http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/2585/IBM-PS-2-Model-30-286/ > >And from our own Tezza: > >https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/collection/ps2-286-30.htm > >They're sort of not "real" PS/2s because they have the AT bus, not >MicroChannel. I think the 30-286 could run OS/2 though. > >The same case (or very nearly) was reused for the Model 55SX. I >actually have one of these. > >https://ancientelectronics.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/ibm-ps2-model-55sx/ > >It's a "true" PS/2 with MCA. I hope to get an old version of OS/2 2 or >3 going on mine some time. > >-- >Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven >Email: lproven at cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com >Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven >UK: +44 7939-087884 - ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist - somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu. - thanks - billp

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by paul＠mcjones.org

Chuck, I?ve found the Living Computers Museum in Seattle is interested in building their collection of paper copies of journals, and will pay for shipping. The form to offer items for donation is here: https://livingcomputers.org/Discover/Contribute-Historical-Artifacts.aspx . The more carefully you list the specific issues you have, the more likely they are to accept your offer (assuming they don?t already have the same issues). I?ve donated ACM publications and also various early PC magazines to them, plus a bunch of old MSDN CD-ROMs. Paul > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com <mailto:cclist at sydex.com>> > > I wish I would have known. I joined IEEE Annals at the beginning. I > eventually dropped my subscription because I found that the inaccuracies > would just make me mad. > > I threw out a bunch of ACM SIGPLAN notices (the local library didn't > want them) from the 1978s. Still need to get rid of a pile of old CACM > rags as well as IEEE Computer. I'm staring at a pile of IEEE Micro and > a bunch of PC-related magazines from the 80s-90s (e.g. "DOS Developer's > Journal", which became "Windows/DOS Developer's Journal", which became > "Windows Developer's Journal", which was then thankfully put out of its > misery by merging into Doctor Dobbs'). > > I still have a bunch of "PC Tech Journal" and other various periodicals. > > If anyone's looking for something special, let me know. They'll all be > gone to the recycler by the end of January. >

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

We? have? a? few? dupes here? but? reserving those? for? someone that might? ?help us? out. Another? great? reference are the old? joint computer? conference? ?east and? west? ?books.? ?were or? became? AFIPS WOW THEY HAVE ALL? ? THE INSERTING? EARLY STUFF! We? have the? stuff? from start to? the? 80s? ?as? I? remember... nothing newer..? ?a? fine? gift? ?from? Honeywell / Bull? HN and? ?some? from? side sources...? some of the later? hard? bound? ones? we? have? some? duplicates? of... need? to make a? list..? The? early? ones? ?we? may be? missing? an? issue ?? ?will? have to make a? current? list. These AFIPS? ?publications are? ?another? group that? ?are not? in full open? access on the? internet? as? far as? I know..? But? ?should? be! Some? I? like? looking at? ?for? something different? ?are the UK? data processing? Mags? form the? 50's and? 60s? as there are? computer and companies in there? I? know nothing about at all. Ed#? ? SMECC In a message dated 12/30/2018 1:43:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: Chuck, I?ve found the Living Computers Museum in Seattle is interested in building their collection of paper copies of journals, and will pay for shipping. The form to offer items for donation is here: https://livingcomputers.org/Discover/Contribute-Historical-Artifacts.aspx . The more carefully you list the specific issues you have, the more likely they are to accept your offer (assuming they don?t already have the same issues). I?ve donated ACM publications and also various early PC magazines to them, plus a bunch of old MSDN CD-ROMs. Paul > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com <mailto:cclist at sydex.com>>> > I wish I would have known.? I joined IEEE Annals at the beginning.? I> eventually dropped my subscription because I found that the inaccuracies> would just make me mad.> > I threw out a bunch of ACM SIGPLAN notices (the local library didn't> want them) from the 1978s.? Still need to get rid of a pile of old CACM> rags as well as IEEE Computer.? I'm staring at a pile of IEEE Micro and> a bunch of PC-related magazines from the 80s-90s (e.g. "DOS Developer's> Journal", which became "Windows/DOS Developer's Journal", which became> "Windows Developer's Journal", which was then thankfully put out of its> misery by merging into Doctor Dobbs').> > I still have a bunch of "PC Tech Journal" and other various periodicals.> > If anyone's looking for something special, let me know.? They'll all be> gone to the recycler by the end of January.>

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Osborne-1 with prototype-based motherboard

by vintagecomputer＠bettercomputing.net

Am just posting this as I am hoping someone out there knows someone who was involved with Osborne back in the day to find out more this Osborne 1 motherboard I found in a low serial O1 I picked up for $100. I reached out to Lee Felsenstein on it and he suggested it was related to the boards produced for the 10 prototypes Osborne built, or a derivative of them. He couldn't say for sure how it ended up in mine. But I was hoping if anyone knows any Osborne experts that might help me on this - it is not currently working and I'm hoping to find schematics, etc to get it going again. Obviously with the radical differences in layout, the schematics for the production motherboard isn't terribly helpful. I've posted a blog about it here with a picture of the board for those curious: http://bradhodge.ca/blog/?p=1186 Brad

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RSTS COBOL

by iamvirtual＠gmail.com

Is the optional RSTS/E COBOL software available for RSTS/E V5 or V6? I Googled for it, but I didn't uncover a copy. --barrym

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wanted back issues IEEE ANNALS OF THE HISTORY OF COMPUTING bound or unbound... dtop us a line off list please.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

RIGHT ON! In a message dated 12/29/2018 5:35:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: The prime benefit of silverfish infested bulky piles of old paper, distributed widely among individuals who value history, is that no central entity can just suddenly decide to destroy them all, for whatever reason. Or 'mass edit' the digital files, like some corporations have been culling schematics from their archives of digitized old manuals.

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by couryhouse＠aol.com

yep IEEE? lets none of thier? stuff into the open? that? is? sought? after... Worse? yet... Lucent? gave them Bell System? Tech? Journals? which? Lucent? had? ? up? for? free... then? then? IEEE? slapped them? behind a? paywall. Ed# In a message dated 12/29/2018 1:00:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes: On 12/29/18 11:49 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > I just passed along three boxes of these to the VCFed collection. > Eventually I assume there will be a library to make these available onsite, > not sure. Stupid question, but doesn't IEEE CS already have these archived?? (Yes, I know for access, you need to cross their palm with silver, but it might point to copyright issues). --Chuck

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Harris Mini's (was: WTD: 9 track open reel for PDP-11)

by kevin_anderson_dbq＠yahoo.com

Zane wrote: > I didn?t realize they were 48-bit, though I seem to remember them being 24-bit. > The system I used was more ?logistics? and general purpose ADP. I spent a *LOT* > of time using the MUSE word processor. > > Zane >> On Dec 28, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Bob Smith <bobsmithofd at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I almost remembered, had to look it up to confirm 81, the 48bit system >> they carried on when they bought the original company that had made >> them and the Vulcan OS. Not a bad scientific and instrumentation >> machine. What was the original company Datacraft or something? >> bob >> Zane, you are right that the Harris computers were 24-bit processors. The primary word was 24 bits, with double integer at 48 bits and full floating point at 96 bits. Someday, when I have time, maybe I will think about an emulator. But not right now. I too spent many hours on Harris systems from 1977 to about 1983 or 1984, in college and then in working with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers during summers and break weeks in graduate school. Most of my work was with FORTRAN, plus some assembly and COBOL. Kevin Anderson

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General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

by sop00000h＠scotnet.co.uk

Pdp 8 tapes... I have a bid i for these. Was planning to duplicate - not for profit - and stick em up on a we-site for others to view/download.... Is there a repository for such tapes?? Bitsaver?? Sent from my HUAWEI P10 on Three

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Controlfreaks Digest, Vol 177, Issue 3

by dave＠mausner.us

Peter, the second one in your list is an example of a 6X00 cordwood package. -- Dave Mausner. +1-312-925-3694. +1-708-848-2775. Rem tene; verba sequentur -- Cato On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 3:01 PM < controlfreaks-request at lists.controlfreaks.org> wrote: > Send Controlfreaks mailing list submissions to > controlfreaks at lists.controlfreaks.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.controlfreaks.org/listinfo.cgi/controlfreaks-controlfreaks.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > controlfreaks-request at lists.controlfreaks.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > controlfreaks-owner at lists.controlfreaks.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Controlfreaks digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: CDC transistor boards (Paul Koning) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> > To: controlfreaks <controlfreaks at controlfreaks.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 16:47:16 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: CDC transistor boards > Seen on another list, I identified the second but not the other two. > > paul > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Peter Van Peborgh via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> > *Subject: **CDC transistor boards* > *Date: *December 28, 2018 at 3:42:44 PM EST > *To: *<cctech at classiccmp.org> > *Reply-To: *Peter Van Peborgh <peter at vanpeborgh.eu>, "General Discussion: > On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > > Gentlemen of advanced years who can remember CDC, cradle of Cray. > > Can you tell me which CDC computer type these three boards belonged to? It > is for labeling purposes in my personal museum. > > https://postimg.cc/crJHv3Lt > https://postimg.cc/Z0HnYH4h > https://postimg.cc/6TtTNgs0 > > I am sure this will be easy for the right person. Many thanks! > > peter > > > > >

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CDC transistor boards

by peter＠vanpeborgh.eu

Gentlemen of advanced years who can remember CDC, cradle of Cray. Can you tell me which CDC computer type these three boards belonged to? It is for labeling purposes in my personal museum. https://postimg.cc/crJHv3Lt https://postimg.cc/Z0HnYH4h https://postimg.cc/6TtTNgs0 I am sure this will be easy for the right person. Many thanks! peter

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OCR old software listing.

by mattislind＠gmail.com

Finally I got hold of the sources for the PDP-11 SPACE WAR that was submitted to DECUS by Bill Seiler. The format is scans of the PAL-11S listing output. It is easy to crop the image to only contain actual source. Then running OCR on it. Tried a few online versions and tesseract. The problem is that the paper that the listing is printed on has lines. Very black lines. It makes the OCR go completely crazy. Source lines without black lines OCR ok. The others do not. The files need massive amount of manual intervention. Does anyone have an idea how to process files like this? A good way to remove the black lines? There are only 19 source files with three or four pages each so I don't think it makes sense to try to train tesseract to do it (training tesseract seems to be a huge undertaking). https://i.imgur.com/dvY973s.png /Mattis

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WTD: 9 track open reel for PDP-11

by w2hx＠w2hx.com

Hi friends, I've been building up a nice little PDP-11/23+ with cabinets, RL02's etc. To really round things off, I'm looking for a open reel-to-reel style 9-track tape drive to add to the system (don't ask why, punishment must be somewhere in my nature). Not interested in the autoloading/drawer type drives. There are some fujitsu drives on ebay at the moment, but shipping from CA to NY is both costly and risky. Does anyone have a (preferably working) 9-track drive that can be used with a PDP-11 (like a pertec interface) for sale? Willing to drive anywhere from Philly to Boston for one. Hopefully one in good shape. Thanks 73 Eugene W2HX

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Which DEC machine made use of th pre Flip-Chip board?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Allison > IC as in digital logic were in production in the early 60s Yes, but if you look at the picture/manual (I found a "Module location for I/O" chart on pg. 335 of the PDP-7 Maint Manual - alas, not the whole machine, just the FLIP CHIP part), the PDP-7 is all B-series and R-series FLIP CHIPs, which are all discrete transistors. AFAIK, the first ICs (in the modern sense) on FLIP CHIPS were on M-series. Noel

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TEK 512 scope

by couryhouse＠aol.com

does it have rca number and plate on back paul? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, December 28, 2018 Paul Anderson via cctalk <useddec at gmail.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: A few weeks ago Devon had a 555, which I've had years ago.? I have never seen a 512 before, so I picked it up. Anyone here need one, or links to TEK lists? Feel free to repost. AS is, where is, zip 61853. Thanks, Paul

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TEK 512 scope

by useddec＠gmail.com

A few weeks ago Devon had a 555, which I've had years ago. I have never seen a 512 before, so I picked it up. Anyone here need one, or links to TEK lists? Feel free to repost. AS is, where is, zip 61853. Thanks, Paul

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straight 8 tape on ebay

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

2 trays of straight 8 tapes have popped up on ebay i see if anyones looking for this sorta stuff lhttps:// www.ebay.ca/itm/DEC-PDP-8-assorted-Paper-Tape/332977526273?hash=item4d8701d…

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SCSI for HP 9000/380

by dennis.grevenstein＠gmail.com

Hi, I do remember that when installing HP-UX 9 and earlier, you could not mix and match SCSI and HP-IB. If you boot from HP-IB you can install on HP-IB, if you boot from SCSI, you can install on a SCSI disk. That may be a limitation in the installer. Once you have everything installed, you can use any device. I am very sure that this was the case with the 800s. I am not quite sure about the 300 series. I once owned a 380 and it worked well with SCSI disks and the onboard SCSI port. regards, Dennis

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New batch of items from the Virtual Warehouse of Computing Wonders

by sellam.ismail＠gmail.com

Hello Folks! Here is another batch of goodies from the Warehouse: Micropolis MicroDisk Maintenance Manual Catalog of Public Domain Software for CP/M Book 1 & 2 Wabash 8" Floppy Disk 10-pack (shrinkwrapped) Sony MD-2D 5.25" Floppy Diskette 10-pack (shrinkwrapped) Kraft 3-button Mouse PDP-11 BASIC-PLUS Language Manual RL01/RL02 User Guide & Technical Manual RL01/RL02 User Guide RLV12 Disk Controller Configuration Sheet RX02 Floppy Disk System User's Guide DEC Microcomputer Products Group u[micro]note Reprints PDP-11 Diagnostic Engineering Source Code Prints DEC RoamAbout PCMCIA Network Adaptor External 5.25" Drive VisiCalc Tektronix 119-1592-01 Terminal Keyboard Bondwell B310SX laptop TI Home Computer Applications Software Bundle (18 boxed titles) Convergent Technologies WP-100 Microprinter Convergent Technologies WC-100 Comm Port Convergent Technologies Workslate Leader's Guide Convergent Technologies Workslate Marketing Collateral Convergent Technologies Accessory Bundle Convergent Technologies Thermal Paper Roll Accton EN2212-1 Ethernet PCMCIA Card New Media Corp. PCMCIA Game Port Joystick Adapter Rolodex REX Docking Station Sharp CE-IR2 Wireless Interface Apricorn external hard disk pack ASP SX100 SNAP Parallel Transmitter LeeMah Data Security Corp. InfoKey HP Jornada Docking Station HP F1869-60001 Pocket Camera for HP Jornada Pocket PC HP C4103A FIR 4Mbps IrDA module Sony CDW-900E Compact Disc Recording Unit Sony WebTV INT-W200 Internet Terminal Sony SM0-E301F 128MB Magneto Optical Disk Drive SGI Iris Indigo XS Radio Shack TRS-80 Printer Interface Cable Tandy Printer Interface Selector 2 CTK Adam Acoustically Coupled Modem Microsoft Mouse & Microsoft Paintbrush (boxed) IDT Series 1050/1750 Operations and Maintenance Instructions IDT Series 1050/1750 TDF 4050 Tape Formatter Operations Manual Data Broadcasting Corp. Signal Cable Receiver Plus Olympus Deltis 230MB Magneto Optical Disk Subsystem Compaq Contura Aero 4/25 I've still got a sale going until the end of 2018: Take 10% off anything with a listing date prior to 2018 (check the "Date Added" column in the warehouse item listings--anything listed in 2016-2017 is 10% off!) If you're a previous buyer (I know who you are) the 10% off applies to any listed item! For you DEC enthusiasts, I'd like to clear out the documentation, so from now until the end of the year I'm giving 10% off any DEC documentation (this would be in [B]addition[/B] to the 10% off special for you previous buyers!) The main index for newly listed items is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hi… As always, please contact me directly by e-mail via <sellam.ismail at gmail.com> to make an order or an offer. Happy Holidays! Sellam

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SCSI for HP 9000/380

by kevin.bowling＠kev009.com

I have one of these, but the system has HP-IB disk and tape. I'd like to use a SCSI tape to install on it. On the CPU card, there is what looks like a 50-pin connector. Does that need active electronics to work like the second HP-IB bulkhead that currently occupies the slot? Also does anyone have digital manuals for this particular model? Regards, Kevin

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More recovered Exidy Sorcerer software

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Hi, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year (or Happy Holidays if that is your flavour), Just to note to those interested in the Exidy Sorcerer. I've added 18 more programs to the Sorcerer archive at https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2017-01-23-software-for-real-sorc… . To see what they are, check out the updates section at the bottom of the page. Most of the originals were provided by Al Kossow. Paul van der Spek provided Military Encounter, Munch! and Sorcerer Invaders (thanks guys!) Enjoy Tez

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HIPPI devices

by kevin.bowling＠kev009.com

Anyone have any HIPPI stuff, preferably for sale? The machine I have uses the big parallel cables 100-pin but I guess there is a converter to serial fiber. Regards, Kevin

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NFS & Kerberos woes...

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

Do any fellow cctalk / cctech subscribers have any experience with NFS, particularly in combination with Kerberos authentication? I'm messing with something that is making me think that Kerberos authentication (sec=krb5{,i,p}) usurps no_root_squash. Meaning that root can't access files owned by other users with go-rwx. Almost as if no_root_squash wasn't configured on the export. Does anyone have a spare bone that they would be willing to throw my way? -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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NFS & Kerberos woes...

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

On 12/26/18 11:41 AM, Craig Ruff wrote: > I used Kerberos with NFS successfully at my last job. Any process/user > id accessing NFS mounts using Kerberos authentication must have a valid > Kerberos ticket, root included. Okay. Thank you for confirming what I suspected but was still doubting. I believe that root should have access as the system's keytab has host/$FQDN and nfs/$FQDN principals. Root also has a ticket granting ticket, krbtgt/$REALM. At least I think that means that root has vlaid Kerberos tickets. > The no_root_squash option is no longer relevant when Kerberos > authentication is used, as you surmise. ACK > You can address this by getting a machine ticket that root can use. That's my current working understanding. But, apparently I'm not getting something correct. :-( Thank you for the reply Craig. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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Merry Christmas

by rtomek＠ceti.pl

Folks, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, thanks for all interesting reading matter and let there be plenty of interesting stuff to read about in a future, too. :-) -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **

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Merry Christmas (Tom Manos)

by c.murray.mccullough＠gmail.com

I hope everyone is having a wonderful Christmas and may the New Year bring all your computing wishes true. Happy computing all!

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How to convert CGA video to HDMI…

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

If you're into retro computing at all, and want to see how to hook old computers up to new HDMI monitors, then check out @craig1black's new video on doing exactly that. Link - How to convert CGA video to HDMI for around $65 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpfrelhokKQ I find this quite impressive and will likely have to look into this further. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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Newbie Punch Tape Questions

by info＠cvmakerspace.ca

Ok - not so much of a newbie - fed punch tape into a reader for a PDP8 when I attended tech school back when the earth was cooling .... I have my hands on a PDP8a and a Remex reader. They both seem to function OK with basic tests. I would like to try to read a Mylar punch tape to see if there is anything interesting on it - as well as a couple of paper tapes. My end run would be to show something useful running on the PDP8a - and loaded with the punch tape. The Mylar reel would have been the programming for a CNC machine. I suspect the first part of the reel may be some boot loader or init routine. So, my thought is this - connect the Remex unit to a Pi or Arduino to capture the data and have a look at it or, load the tape directly into the PDP8 and see what happens? Then, examine the PDP8 memory locations. So, the issue is that I have not researched the proper way to get the tape and PDP8 initialized and reading into the PDP8. I am not 100% sure the Remex unit is working, other than it spins the reels. Any suggestions?? Love the forum by the way - I wish I had a machine that would slow the clock on the wall down to give me more time to play. I guess they call that retirement ..... Cheers, Brian -- Brian McIntosh Columbia Valley Maker Space Communications Guy info at cvmakerspace.ca 250 270 0689

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Another weird paper tape

by kylevowen＠gmail.com

I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel. I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it. Tape image here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21 Here's some of the first of the tape. 0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 * 0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 The tape is dated 22 October 1958. Any ideas what this could have been used for? The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader. Thanks, Kyle

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Speaking of paper tape...

by jfehlinger＠comcast.net

Does anybody here recognize the manufacturer of this gear, presumably some kind of punched paper tape equipment? Second to the last image at: http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=15284&highlight=movies&page=10 I recently had the chance to play with a Blu-Ray transfer of the old gothic sci-fi TV show _The Outer Limits_ (the original 1963-64 series), and some of the 50s magnetic tape equipment used as recurring props can be identified -- e.g., an Ampex FR200 data recorder, Magnecord and Roberts audio tape recorders, and even a pair of old Univac Uniservo I tape drives in one episode. But that twin paper-tape device (if that's what it is), which occurs in the background of a number of first-season episodes, remains a mystery. The lower reels (if there are any) seem to be out of sight in the lower part of the cabinet in all shots of the device, and there seems to be a continuous loop of paper tape threaded around the tape guides and back up to the upper reel (which is actually spinning in at least one episode). Anybody know what this might be?

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flashx20 - Floppy and screen for the Epson HX-20

by norbert_kehrer＠yahoo.de

Hi, the Epson HX-20 handheld computer offered an interesting way to connect it with peripheral devices. The serial port at the back of the computer can talk to external hardware using an Epson-specific protocol for data exchange. As this protocol is quite well documented, I wrote a little program called "flashx20" (for FLoppy And Screen for the HX-20), which allows to connect a normal Windows PC or notebook computer to the HX-20, where the PC interprets the Epson serial protocol and simulates an external display controller and four external floppy disk drives (like e.g. the Epson TF-20). With that, you get a big screen (the PC monitor) and disk space for programs and data on the PC's hard disk, which can then also be used for data and program exchange. You can read more about it and download the program from my website at http://members.aon.at/nkehrer/ Norbert

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wanted any and all XSCRIBE closed caption related and steno typer key board related ... docs... parts.. units building up an working analog CC demo chain for display in our Deaf and Hard of Hearing assisting tech area. will consider othe brand gear too

by couryhouse＠aol.com

wanted any and all XSCRIBE closed caption related and steno typer key board related ... docs... parts.. units building up an working analog CC demo chain for display in our Deaf and Hard of Hearing assisting tech area. will consider othe brand gear to if even just for static display too.... Interested in ad materials photos, war stories. etc etc thanks. Ed Sharpe Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

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Unknown paper tape format

by kylevowen＠gmail.com

I found a spool of mylar tape dated 23 March 1972, with "EARS" on it; best I can tell, this was for the Experimental Array Radar System. Image can be found here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=11VKKklor1QDyWCz0b3zVNj_I_vmt4oN4 Anyone have any clue as to the format? Here's the beginning of the tape: 0000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 * 0000060 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 40 40 08 e5 0000070 43 c1 40 5b 43 c1 40 dc 43 c1 40 5d 43 c1 40 5e 0000080 43 c1 40 df 43 c1 40 e0 43 c1 40 61 43 c1 40 62 0000090 43 c1 40 e3 43 c1 40 64 43 c1 40 f1 c2 c1 40 f2 00000a0 c2 c1 40 73 c2 c1 40 f4 c2 c1 40 75 c2 c1 40 f7 00000b0 c2 c1 40 45 43 c1 40 46 43 c1 40 c7 43 c1 40 c8 00000c0 43 c1 40 49 43 c1 40 4a 43 c1 40 4c 43 c1 40 cb 00000d0 43 c1 40 d5 43 c1 40 d6 43 c1 40 4a 40 c1 40 cd 00000e0 40 c1 40 cb 40 c1 40 7f e0 c1 40 f2 45 c2 40 57 00000f0 43 c1 40 58 43 c1 40 d9 43 c1 40 da 43 c1 40 6e and the end: 0006400 45 c2 40 57 4c c1 40 5e 4c c1 40 f4 cb c1 40 e5 0006410 4c c1 40 fb cb c1 40 ec 4c c1 40 e0 7f 7f 40 40 0006420 40 c7 40 73 4c c1 40 7a 4c c1 40 c7 40 40 40 da 0006430 c8 c2 40 ef 57 c1 40 c1 cd c1 40 46 d0 d0 40 79 0006440 cd c1 40 d5 57 c1 40 4f cd c1 40 5d cd c1 40 c2 0006450 4c c1 40 6b cd c1 40 c8 cd c1 40 58 cb c1 40 df 0006460 cb c1 40 e6 cb c1 40 f2 cd c1 40 46 40 40 40 cd 0006470 40 40 40 4c 40 40 40 d5 d6 c1 40 d5 61 c1 40 40 0006480 61 c1 40 fb d3 c2 40 c7 ce c1 40 7f 57 c1 40 c2 0006490 cb c1 40 49 40 40 40 e3 d6 c1 40 f2 d6 c1 40 58 00064a0 57 c2 40 76 d9 c2 40 40 40 40 08 07 80 80 80 00 00064b0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 * 0006600 00 00 00 00 00 00 Would love to know what computer system this was running on. Thanks! Kyle

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Origin of 'Straight 8' name

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Al Kossow > "Straight-8" seems to be a fairly modern name coming from collectors My _guess_ is that that probably happened because there is no formal 'model' for that first one (unlike the first -11, which got re-named the -11/20 BITD), and people recently picked that to disambiguate them from all the other -8's. But what I _don't_ know is _why_ that particular name? I was hoping some -8 collector knew... Noel

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