19 Dec
2018
19 Dec
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8:05 a.m.
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From: Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk at
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Subject: Re: More old stuff incoming
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 22:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk
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Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i cannot resist - somewhere stored
away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and
an 80186 cpu.
- thanks - billp
I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium. I don't /think/
there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken.
As "system_glitch" said, there were.
The original model 30 was an 8086, and not even a great one -- it
didn't have true VGA, for instance.
http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/7492.htm
It was also available in a small-form-factor all-in-one case as the Model 25:
http://www.ibmfiles.com/pages/ps2model25.htm
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1183
Easily mistaken for a PS/1. That got me a lot of abuse on Twitter recently.
Then there was the Model 30-286, a sort of mucked-about PC-AT.
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/2585/IBM-PS-2-Model-30-286/
And from our own Tezza:
https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/collection/ps2-286-30.htm
They're sort of not "real" PS/2s because they have the AT bus, not
MicroChannel. I think the 30-286 could run OS/2 though.
The same case (or very nearly) was reused for the Model 55SX. I
actually have one of these.
https://ancientelectronics.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/ibm-ps2-model-55sx/
It's a "true" PS/2 with MCA. I hope to get an old version of OS/2 2 or
3 going on mine some time.
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19 Dec
19 Dec
9:23 a.m.
On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i
cannot resist -
somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.
I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general
purpose computer had an 8186 CPU. I've only seen it in purpose built
equipment. The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in
the late '90s.
I would love some confirmation on the CPU. (I'll look it up in a bit.)
That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class of x86 CPU between
the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the
Pentium.
IMHO that's impressive.
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9:33 a.m.
There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't recall the model number.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 11:23 AM
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Subject: Re: More old stuff incoming
On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this list i
cannot resist -
somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.
I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general
purpose computer had an 8186 CPU. I've only seen it in purpose built
equipment. The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in
the late '90s.
I would love some confirmation on the CPU. (I'll look it up in a bit.)
That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class of x86 CPU between
the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the
Pentium.
IMHO that's impressive.
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9:40 a.m.
On December 19, 2018 at 12:33 PM Electronics Plus via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't recall the model number.
Model 2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_2000
Will
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9:44 a.m.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:
There was a Tandy with an 80186, but I don't
recall the model number.
Tandy 2000.
g.
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 18:23, Grant Taylor via cctalk
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On 12/19/2018 09:05 AM, xcvb via cctalk wrote:
80186?
Tho ive seldom posted but have always read this
list i cannot resist -
somewhere stored away in my piles of stuff I have an IBM Model 30 I
believe that has an 8 bit isa bus and an 80186 cpu.
I am somewhat surprised to learn that any commercially available general
purpose computer had an 8186 CPU. I would love some confirmation on the CPU. (I'll
look it up in a bit.)
"xcvb" is wrong. It's an 8086.
I've only seen it in purpose built
equipment. The last one I saw was in a mobile X-Ray or CT machine in
the late '90s.
The BBC Master had a '186:
http://www.cowsarenotpurple.co.uk/bbccomputer/master512/index.html
http://www.cowsarenotpurple.co.uk/bbccomputer/master512/tube.html
http://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html
There was an RM Nimbus too.
https://www.thenimbus.co.uk/range-of-nimbus-computers/PC-186
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=1011&st=1
That would mean that IBM PS/2s had every major class
of x86 CPU between
the 8086 (or was it 8088, which is still in the 8x86 family) and the
Pentium.
They didn't.
8088, 8086, 80286, 80386DX, then 80386SX, 80486, Pentium.
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9:52 a.m.
On 12/19/2018 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
80186?
I really thought it was 8x86 where the x was 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4.
But looking at a picture of a CPU online I see that it was 8086, 80186,
80286, 80386, 80486. #TodayILearned....
"xcvb" is wrong. It's an 8086.
ACK
The BBC Master had a '186:
There was an RM Nimbus too.
They didn't.
8088, 8086, 80286, 80386DX, then 80386SX, 80486, Pentium.
ACK
I think IBM had some special things that were modifications. Supposedly
my model 70 is a special 386 instruction set that has some hybrid CPU in
it. I don't remember the specifics. IBM was fab'ing chips at the time
and had licenses to Intel's IP. So they created a 386 that was somehow
more than / different from a 386. Maybe it was a crippled 486 that only
had the bus of the 386. I don't recall.
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29 Dec
29 Dec
4:05 p.m.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 18:52, Grant Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 12/19/2018 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
:-o
No no, never.
But there was the i860 and i960 as well, remember. And the iAPX-432.
There's more to life than x86.
80186?
I really thought it was 8x86 where the x was 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4. I think IBM had some special things that were
modifications. Supposedly
my model 70 is a special 386 instruction set that has some hybrid CPU in
it. I don't remember the specifics. IBM was fab'ing chips at the time
and had licenses to Intel's IP. So they created a 386 that was somehow
more than / different from a 386. Maybe it was a crippled 486 that only
had the bus of the 386. I don't recall.
SLC series? 386SLC & 486SLC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_386SLC
I think IBM also rebadged or fabbed these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx486SLC
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4:13 p.m.
New subject: xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale
so, already asked but i haven't yet got a clear answer
I have an xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale
it comes with *everything* you need to use it
- its original PSU, able to operate from 100-to-250V
- its original CD with the firmware (it's required a tftpboot server)
it's located in Italy
let me know if interested, your offer, and your location in order to
calculate the shipping cost
(I have discount with UPS)
30 Dec
30 Dec
6:08 p.m.
New subject: xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale
Do you have any more details to share about this X terminal? Is it an XP217M or XP217C?
How much RAM is in it? What version of the CD/firmware?
? Chris
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On Dec 29, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
so, already asked but i haven't yet got a clear answer
I have an xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale
it comes with *everything* you need to use it
- its original PSU, able to operate from 100-to-250V
- its original CD with the firmware (it's required a tftpboot server)
it's located in Italy
let me know if interested, your offer, and your location in order to
calculate the shipping cost
(I have discount with UPS)
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