> From: Robert Ferguson <rob at bitscience.ca>
> Subject: Commodore Superpet video problem -- ideas?
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 3:07 PM
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm having intermittent problems with my Superpet. It will
> run fine for some time, but then will "glitch" for a couple
> of seconds (including video distortion), and then hang.
>
> Having done a bit of digging, I suspect that the flyback
> transformer is arcing internally. The video board is the one
> in this schematic (http://zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/s...032/321448.gif).
>
> I can hear the arcing sound from area of the transformer
> when the glitch occurs, and I see no obvious external
> indications of anything sparking or shorting. I have looked
> at the voltages at the various test points noted on the
> video board schematic during normal operation, and they all
> appear OK.
>
<TEXT CUT>
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>
> Rob Ferguson
>
>
I would say to use an oscilloscope to monitor the circuit *driving* the flyback transformer. I had an issue on a Compucolor II where this signal would periodically glitch, which changed the frequency, and cause the flyback to over-voltage and spark every time. The signal would glitch whether the flyback was plugged in or not.
Regarding microvax parts, you can have whatever you want. Just telll me where it is precisely, with line drawings if. Necessary. I know absolutely nuthink about DEC.
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 8:04 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com>
>To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>Sent: Thu, January 31, 2013 11:22:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Intel 310 computer case.
>
>
>Multibus box - I'll take it. Ships to 08005 probably.
>
>Chris this is real bare. has a limited Multibus back plane.
>No much bigger than a PC. no Power supply. I might have
>larger Mulibus box here if that would be better. ???
>
>I see your other reply. The M7555 is the disk controller
>for the Microvax. You should see the number on the
>colored pull. It has a large ribbon cable connection
>on the outward end.
>
>- Jerry
>
>------------------------------
>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
>
>>I have a good empty case. any one need one ??
>>
>>Free + shipping
>>
>>- Jerry
Jerry - I WANT THAT BOX.LOL LOL LOL
In German - Der friggin boxen must becomen meinen
If you'll send it to.me, I'll take it. I don't know what else you have . Perhaps that is also of interest.
Where are you located? And please don't get offended at my humor. I'm a sick man...
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 8:04 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
Me
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com>
>To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>Sent: Thu, January 31, 2013 11:22:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Intel 310 computer case.
>
>
>Multibus box - I'll take it. Ships to 08005 probably.
>
>Chris this is real bare. has a limited Multibus back plane.
>No much bigger than a PC. no Power supply. I might have
>larger Mulibus box here if that would be better. ???
>
>I see your other reply. The M7555 is the disk controller
>for the Microvax. You should see the number on the
>colored pull. It has a large ribbon cable connection
>on the outward end.
>
>- Jerry
>
>------------------------------
>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
>
>>I have a good empty case. any one need one ??
>>
>>Free + shipping
>>
>>- Jerry
Multibus box - I'll take it. Ships to 08005 probably.
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
>I have a good empty case. any one need one ??
>
>Free + shipping
>
>- Jerry
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 10:34 AM PST Stefan Skoglund wrote:
>Considering how badly google translates german to swedish, I THINK NOT
>!
Yeah. Im going to begin informally studying German soon. I have a Swedish cd too. Ill never forget how to say fish in Swedish. This much I can tell you. Lathe in German is drehbank I think. Watch maker is uhrmacher. I love German machinery.
Anyone have a stash of either card. Have a few
micro vax machines that are missing the M7555
and I need a couple of the M8061's for my micro
PDP11's
Also could use a 7140 Power supply or boards.
seems like every few years one of my 11/24or44's
machines has PS problems.
Thanks, Jerry
HP 3.5 discs I wonder if in the HP 150 manual?
Back when we sold the things .... I still have a maint manual for the
150... offlist mail me if you still have questions and I will dig it up.
Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC www.smecc.org
In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:25:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk-request at classiccmp.org writes:
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:50:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Looking for Appendix to HP 3.5" disc drive service manual
(disc commands)
Message-ID: <m1U121T-000J4cC at p850ug1>
Content-Type: text/plain
> I was interested to read about the differences between the 9121 and
> 82901 commands, eg the 9121 supports a superset of the 82901 commands
> and so should be fully backwards compatible. One difference I have noted
I beleive it was specifically designed to be. It was intended that any
systme that supported the 82901 could also use the 9121, no matter waht
assumptions it made. In this repsect, the respose to the standard
idenmtification coammends is the same, there is one extended command that
returns a differnet value o nthe 2 drives so it is possible to tell them
apart, but a ssytsem designed fo the 82901 wouldn't use that command.
Also the total numebr of sectors per disk is the same -- IIRC the 82901
is double-sided 35 cylidner and the 9121 is single sided 70 cylinder.
-tony
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:38 PM PST Jerry Wright wrote:
>Anyone have a stash of either card. Have a few
>micro vax machines that are missing the M7555
>and I need a couple of the M8061's for my micro
>PDP11's
>
>Also could use a 7140 Power supply or boards.
>seems like every few years one of my 11/24or44's
>machines has PS problems.
>
>
> Thanks, Jerry
>
I don't have a clue what you're looking for, but I have a MVax parts machine. Maybe that has what you're looking for...
On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> From: Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re:
> Message-ID: <510AD86B.8020007 at dunnington.plus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 31/01/2013 05:37, Charles wrote:
>> Anyhow, I figure that the OS/8 pack might have become corrupted, so I
>> attempted to reload it on my 11/23+ system (which IS working and
>> passing
>> memory tests) using VTserver, which is how I created it the first
>> time.
>> However, since I last successfully did it, I've upgraded the 11/23+
>> boot
>> ROMs to the KDF11B-BH V1.0. This is the only hardware change. Not
>> sure
>> if that has anything to do with the problem
>
>> Do I need to go back to the original boot ROM in order to use
>> VTserver
>> (i.e. is there some change made to ODT that is messing things up?)
>
> The boot ROMs have no bearing on ODT, which is in the microcode in the
> KDF11 itself. So you can eliminate at least one area of concern.
> What
> boot ROMs did you have before? Were they 2K ones (11/23+) or 8K ones
> (microPDP-11/23)? Have you changed any jumpers during the upgrade?
>
> --
> Pete
The original ones (-339, -340) are 2716 EPROMs (2k). The only jumper
changed was the J23-24 which the manual says to set for 8K proms, and
J23-22 for 2k.
I put the old ones back in (and set the jumper accordingly) and the
transfer proceeded normally. For whatever reason the new ones do not
like VTserver.
Incidentally, the problem with the 8/A & RL02 turned out to be simply
a bad ribbon cable connection (my fault) where the IDC connector plugs
into the RL8A card.
The previous OS/8 pack boots and runs normally too... now I can get
back to playing Lunar Lander in FOCAL on the Teletype, and ADVENT :)
-Charles
Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote ..
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mc68010 wrote:
>
> > I can't believe how crazy the Apple thing has got. One of Sellam's Apple II
> > just sold for almost $4k. Wow.
>
> Rev. 0 Apple ][s with low serial numbers are being sought after. Another
> unit went for > $5k the other week, but the buyer apparently reneged. If
> that was one of Sellam's, it's all the more ammunition for his legal
> action.
>
> I can accept that there may be cases where a landlord can auction items
> left on premises under a default, but I'm not aware of any situation where
> they are allowed to blindly profit from the action.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
It's not just an Apple thing. A TI-99/8 just went for $3240 on Ebay. It seems this was the second one over $3000 in the last 6 mos., so apparently it's not a fluke. Prices on vintage stuff generally seem to be on an up-cycle, apparently unlike the value of the time and labor spent assembling and protecting collections of historical, cultural, or economic significance. Tell it to the vandals in Timbuktu, maybe.
I'm just catching up on the list after being too busy to read it the last couple of months, and I'm still digesting Sellam's situation. Been through some similar circumstances, myself, and on the other hand, I do some work for an asset management co. that handles a lot of rentals, and to my intense dislike, property left behind after sadly , no matter what you do, with owners breathing down your neck, the inevitable evictions, property we go out of the way to have the tenant come get. But they don't. Much less pay the back rent. So maybe I have a somewhat unique perspective on the matter. I'm not sure, however, that I could remain either temperate or coherent about it, so I'm going to refrain from comment just now. I can tell, though, when failure to pay rent on a timely basis is a thinly veiled pretext for theft. Good luck, Sellam.
jbdigriz
>
> I'm having intermittent problems with my Superpet. It will run fine for some
> time, but then will "glitch" for a couple of seconds (including video
> distortion), and then hang.
>
> Having done a bit of digging, I suspect that the flyback transformer is
> arcing internally. The video board is the one in this schematic
> (http://zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/s...032/321448.gif).
>
The link is mangled. I think it should be:
http://zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/pet/8032/321448.gif
>
> I can hear the arcing sound from area of the transformer when the glitch
> occurs, and I see no obvious external indications of anything sparking or
> shorting. I have looked at the voltages at the various test points noted
> on the video board schematic during normal operation, and they all appear OK.
>
> I'm sort of stuck at this point. Should I replace the flyback? The part
> number is 2432641AL 25M, and it's T721 on the board; does anyone know of
> an available equivalent?
>
I'm not familiar with the the Superpet but I have had similar faults in other
equipment which were caused by failed joints on the PCB. If the problem
happens reasonably frequently, one approach is to darken the room and watch
the underside of the PCB for little sparks. If it doesn't happen that
frequently, another approach is to try tapping the PCB at various points with
a well insulated implement such as a plastic ruler or other tool to see if the
fault can be mechanically provoked.
Do not overlook the possibility of arcing at the EHT connector on the CRT or
on the CRT base.
I would hate to end up replacing a major component and finding that the
problem was still there.
>
> Alternatively, could this behaviour be caused by a bad electrolytic
> capacitor? I'm specifically suspicious of C754 (47uF/250V), but my knowledge
> of CRT theory is not deep, and I lack a good way to test the capacitor in
> circuit.
>
It's not the sort of thing I'd suspect an electrolytic capacitor of but I
suppose it is possible. Usually when they are stressed enough to make noise,
there are visible signs of stress too.
An oscilloscope connected between its negative terminal and ground it would
probably show a significant increase in ripple or reduction in voltage when
the problem happens if the capacitor is at fault.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Hi folks,
I'm having intermittent problems with my Superpet. It will run fine for some time, but then will "glitch" for a couple of seconds (including video distortion), and then hang.
Having done a bit of digging, I suspect that the flyback transformer is arcing internally. The video board is the one in this schematic (http://zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/s...032/321448.gif).
I can hear the arcing sound from area of the transformer when the glitch occurs, and I see no obvious external indications of anything sparking or shorting. I have looked at the voltages at the various test points noted on the video board schematic during normal operation, and they all appear OK.
I'm sort of stuck at this point. Should I replace the flyback? The part number is 2432641AL 25M, and it's T721 on the board; does anyone know of an available equivalent?
Alternatively, could this behaviour be caused by a bad electrolytic capacitor? I'm specifically suspicious of C754 (47uF/250V), but my knowledge of CRT theory is not deep, and I lack a good way to test the capacitor in circuit.
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
Rob Ferguson
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Glen Slick wrote:
> Not the exact manual you were looking for but might have the same
> information. This scanned copy includes pages Appendix A-1 through
> A-36.
> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/disc/5957-6584_9123D_3.5_Flex_Dis…
Thanks Glen that's great, must have been a few minor corrections to Appendix A in this update to the original service manual.
I was interested to read about the differences between the 9121 and 82901 commands, eg the 9121 supports a superset of the 82901 commands and so should be fully backwards compatible. One difference I have noted is using HPdir the 9121 appears to faster than the 82901, in that on a fast PC HPdir has to be slowed down to work successfully with the 82901 (eg by enabling logging) and works fine with the 9121, and on a slow PC both drives work fine with no attempts to further slow down the program. I've fed this back to the program author for further analysis.
I can try and dump the drive firmware if anyone is interested in doing a detailed comparison.
Regards,
John
A frustrating evening in vintage computer-land, as you will see. Also
the drive belt popped off my 33ASR during the fun. And Windows
Networking to the old PC I use to run VTserver was initially
nonfunctional as usual, but I digress.
I fired up my PDP-8/A after a long hiatus, and it won't boot OS/8 any
more (on boot, the RL02 immediately flashes its Fault light briefly
but then becomes ready again, and the system halts). The drive seems
to be working without errors at least according to the short test
programs from the user's guide I keyed in - I don't have a diagnostic
pack - but reading the status register shows no error bits set, and
the Oscillating Seek program also runs properly...
Anyhow, I figure that the OS/8 pack might have become corrupted, so I
attempted to reload it on my 11/23+ system (which IS working and
passing memory tests) using VTserver, which is how I created it the
first time.
However, since I last successfully did it, I've upgraded the 11/23+
boot ROMs to the KDF11B-BH V1.0. This is the only hardware change. Not
sure if that has anything to do with the problem, which is:
When attempting to download the disk image, the copy portion of the
program loads (starting at 140000) but won't execute, halting at
140002. I discovered that I had the Halt switch set. If the Halt
switch is NOT set, when execution is supposed to begin, instead the
11/23+ says "ERR 4 MMU ABORT" and also won't accept the incoming disk
image data!
Do I need to go back to the original boot ROM in order to use VTserver
(i.e. is there some change made to ODT that is messing things up?)
Also, does anyone have a paper tape version of the RL02 diagnostics
for PDP-8?
thanks
Charles
Glen & Christain, many thanks for the information, and the pointer to the 9895A service manual at http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=262The manual also has this to say:
p.37:Before reading or writing a sector of data, the controller must position the read /write head of the disc drive over the desired sector. To do this, the controller sends signals to the disc drive to step the head to the desired track. The controller then begins to read the disc. Track and sector information is stored as a preamble to each sector, and the disc is formatted in a manner to allow the controller to detect the beginning of a preamble. On finding a preamble, the Z80A first checks that the track number is correct. If not, it will continue to step the head until the correct track is found.
p.43 has figure 2-3 Track Format.
This shows each sector consists of (ignoring gaps):ID Field made up of:- Sync up Bytes- Address Mark (AM) [in other manuals refered to as IDAM]- ID Information (bytes indicating the logical track, head and sector address)- CRCData field made up of:- Sync up bytes- Address mark [in other manuals known as Data Address Mark or DAM]- Data- CRC
p.45 Address MarksID AM : Data pattern = !70Defective Track AM : Data pattern = !F0
At the command set level, a clear D bit indicates an ID AM in the ID field, and a set D bit indicates a defective track AM in the ID field.
p.86 Start of Appendix A, 9895A Disc Memory Command Set
p.89 - has description of the D bit.
p.95 Shows the Command Table.
p.105 'Request Logical Address' Purpose: The 9895A returns bytes indicating the current target address. This command is used to determine the address of the offending sector after a data error has occurred.
p.106 'Request Physical Address'.Purpose: The 9895A returns bytes indicating the physical cylinder on which the head actuator is positioned. This is useful for calculating the number of invisible tracks between the outer-most track and the current track. This is done by subtracting the physical cylinder address from the target cylinder address.
P1.31 Describes the Initialize command, and P.133 the Format command. Together these sections describe use of the D but and invisible tracks.
To conclude, information such as the IDAM content won't be readable by a PC with a normal FDC, so this approach looks limited. I am in touch with Ansgar reading his wonderful hpdir project, which I am using with my Series 80 disks on an 82901M drive, so will point him here for a bit more light reading ;-)
Regards,John
Hi!
Is there any German speaking builder who would be willing to translate an
article for a well-known European hobbyist electronics magazine? (You'll
recognize the magazine but I'd rather not post that here for privacy
concerns)
One of the N8VEM builders, Oscar, has written a great article in English on
the N8VEM project. We have interest from the magazine but of course they
want the article in German.
Would someone who is proficient in German please volunteer to help us out?
Thank you very much in advance! I appreciate your support!
Have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
Item # 160965266758
>From the listing:
Part # 21-370, 8-7/16" X 370' of 16# bond paper, 1" cardboard core, 12 rolls per case, 99 cases available
$30 per case, quoted $20 shipping to my location in California
No connected with the seller, other than ordering a few.
--Bill
http://northtech.us/content/20130123/end-era-rip-fafner
I only got to use it a few times, but it was nice to be able to
connect to some real iron (I still have an account on the LCM's
11/785, I think). Service is continued on an Alpha DS20, but
my username seems to be a bit broken at the moment.
Many thanks to Dr. Ulmann for running such a majestic machine
at considerable personal expense for all to use!
- Dave
Why not just put it in a web documwnt and let google do it? Most of it...
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 3:55 PM PST Andrew Lynch wrote:
>Hi!
>
>
>
>Is there any German speaking builder who would be willing to translate an
>article for a well-known European hobbyist electronics magazine? (You'll
>recognize the magazine but I'd rather not post that here for privacy
>concerns)
>
>
>
>One of the N8VEM builders, Oscar, has written a great article in English on
>the N8VEM project. We have interest from the magazine but of course they
>want the article in German.
>
>
>
>Would someone who is proficient in German please volunteer to help us out?
>Thank you very much in advance! I appreciate your support!
>
>
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>
>Andrew Lynch
>
----- Original Message -----
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:28:30 -0500
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
On 01/29/2013 11:13 PM, mc68010 wrote:
> On 1/29/2013 7:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>> On 01/29/2013 07:37 PM, mc68010 wrote:
>>> A 1552 just showed up on the seller selling all Sellam's gear it just so
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-Vintage-Hazeltine-1552-Computer-4DTD…
>>>
>> "This listing has been removed, or this item is not available."
>>
>> I can only hope that this means "good news" for Sellam.
>>
> Something probably got cut off. Probably on me. Anyway it is still there.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/230920559966
>
> Item 230920559966
Crap. :-(
-Dave
----- Reply:
Guess it'd be better if it didn't sell and got scrapped, as long as those
heinous thieves didn't make any money?
Exactly what is gained by folks on this and a few other lists not bidding on
these items as Sellam demanded, other than keeping prices low for everyone
else (a good thing, for them) and increasing the likelihood that they don't
sell and get scrapped instead (a bad thing IMO) ?
He lost my sympathy when he threatened to sue anyone in this community (that
has been so supportive over the years) if they bought any of his items.
Ironically, in the extremely unlikely event that he got back the money made
>from selling his stuff then the folks in this community would actually
probably be the _most_ likely to be willing to sell it back to him...
m
Very impressive Pontus! A raised floor garage.. Something we all can envy. Henk, did you send pics that I missed somewhere or was that your comment that they'll come when you can lift a camera again?
Hi,
In the discussion on HP LIF disks and bad sectors, I was pointed towards the 9895A service manual and its?description?of initializing floppies, marking 'bad tracks', and bad sectors. I have the 82901M 5.25" and 9121 3.5" drives, so have had a look in their service manuals for similar descriptions, in case there were any differences or further nuggets of information. The 82901 manual said very little on the topic, but the manual for the 9121 (covering several 3.5" drives) shows in the contents that Appendix A describes the command set. I had a look at the scanned version:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/disc/09121-90030_3_Inch_Flexible_…
and copied here:
http://hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=288
but Appendix A is missing, does anyone have a link or a scanned copy please?
Regards,
John
Everyone,
We have finalized the show dates for the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 and now it will be over two days - Saturday & Sunday, April 20 & 21, 2013.
I will have a press release soon and we have some very nice things planned. I hope some of you can attend the show!
Best,
David Greelish
- Computer Historian, Writer, Podcaster & Speaker
- Founder of the Atlanta Historical Computing Society
Producer of the Vintage Computer Festival Southeast 1.0 - 4/20 & 4/21, 2013
http://about.me/davidgreelish
From: John Wilson
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:12 PM
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:26:08AM -0500, Toby Thain wrote:
>>> (Assuming you don't count the :INFO system at MIT, which came much
>>> earlier.)
>> Is it a wiki?
> Editable by anyone ... cross-machine links (over the network file
> system -- I think it was called MLDEV?) ... what else would it need?
Wankers who remove edits by people who know what they're talking about?
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.orghttp://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
I have been through 3 CRT monitors that died ( circa 1989) that were
attached to a SUN 3/140 station. The monitors are SUN Model M19P114 part
no 365-1051-01.
The pin out on the 3/140 is
1-VIDEO+
2-GND
3-HSYNC
4-VSYNC
5-NC
6-VIDEO-
7 GND
8-GND
9-GND
VIDEO+ and VIDEO- are ECL levels , and HSYNC and VSYNC are TTL levels.
I believe it is EGA monochrome. I am not sure if this SUN has non standard
( proprietary) output for video. Is there anyone that knows a way to
connect this SUN to a standard LCD VGA monitor using some kind of video
converter or by using a multi-sync monitor ?
Hutch
On 01/29/2013 02:23 AM, Pontus wrote:
> Hmm, I though a VAX of 11/780 size qualified as big iron. If not, what
> does?
It's a trap!
Trick question intended to see who can be the most insufferable ass
furiously defending an opinion unsupportable by objective fact.
The competition is, as always, tediously predictable. The game
is re-staged here at least twice a year, so that the pendant pecking order
can be reaffirmed.
Hi folks,
Does anyone have a copy of Benchmark Modula-2 for the Amiga, released
around 1986, they could let me have a copy of. I bought the software to
help me with a second year University Programming and Algorithms course
and wrote my final year project a 'Meta Assembler' in it and would love
to get that working again.
I still have the manual (I have no idea when the disks were lost but I
suspect they succumed to mold) and am seriously considering scanning it
for the community, but this seems a bit of a waste of time unless the
software is not unobtainium.
Many thanks for the help,
Mark.
From: microcode at zoho.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:22 AM
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:08:11AM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
> wrote:
>> In the former case the TOAD-1 is most definitely "big iron" as it is
>> a descendant of the KL-10, which is most assuredly a mainframe.
> DEC never made a mainframe and nobody from DEC ever asserted they did
> AFAIK. It's odd to see posts claiming DEC made mainframes or that VAX
> is big iron from a group where calling a DE9 a DB9 produces a
> 500-thread post ;-)
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The PDP-6/PDP-10
family of 36-bit systems was clearly mainframe big iron, with a physical
memory space larger and performance better than a 360/50.
Further, in 1989, the VAX 9000 was introduced to the world as "Digital's
First Mainframe" (at which the PDP-10 customers laughed derisively).
> Stop the hysterical revisionism. DEC made minis. Minis are not big
> iron.
Agreed. DEC made minis, which are not big iron. The revisionism on
your part is in claiming that DEC did not make mainframes.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.orghttp://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
Hi all --
Snagged an Outbound Notebook (Series 200) this week. The Outbound is
aMacintosh clone laptop, mine came with ROMs borrowed from a Mac Plus,
4mb of RAM and a 50Mhz 68030 CPU. From what I've read it uses "standard
camcorder batteries" but I have absolutely noidea what this "standard"
might be.
Anyone know anything about these beasts? I'm also going to need to
track down an AC adapter but that should be easier to source, it's 22VDC
@ .82A according to the rear of the machine...
Thanks,
Josh
Hi,
I've been regretting not keeping my original Hazeltine terminal many
year ago.
Does anyone have one, broken or working, they might be looking to sell
or trade?
Mark
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> Even the lowly 43XX (which was more powerful than the biggest VAX ever
> made) was watercooled.
Excuse me?
I worked with 4341 and 4361 systems at UChicago, and a pair of 4381s at
Stanford. There wasn't a water pipe to be seen. I think that you have
no idea what you're talking about.
Rich Alderson
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If interested, email me and I will tell you if screen burned, if they power
on, etc.
Old kbd pics coming soon.
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Fred wrote:> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, John S wrote:>> To conclude, information such as the IDAM content won't be readable by a
>> PC with a normal FDC, so this approach looks limited. I am in touch with
>> Ansgar reading his wonderful hpdir project, which I am using with my
>> Series 80 disks on an 82901M drive, so will point him here for a bit
>> more light reading ;-)
> <Oversimplified>
> PC WILL sense the IDAM.
> In "normal" read/write, the PC works the same. It steps to the track,
> finds a sector header, checks it, and if it is the one requested,
> reads/writes.
Many thanks Fred for correcting me and for the mini-tutorial.
> The NEC chips even have a [little used] command to read sector header!
OK, I'm sure there would be some mileage in tools that could use this feature. I guess not all PC FDC chips would have this capability though. (FWIW I am a fan of the Adaptec 1542 cards with their built in FDC, two types depending on model but both OK with FM disks).
Coming back to LIF disks with bad tracks, as I wrote above I am a fan of HPdir, and am using a PC with an HPIB controller and 82901M floppy drive, so avoiding any use of the PC's FDC.
I've got a further query on the 82901M and 9121 drive which I'll raise in a new thread. Regards,John
I've got a pdp11/34 in a BA-11L mounting box, and I'm trying to find out
what rack hardware I need to rackmount the beast. If anyone has info
(part numbers, etc), or can point me at a resource (or even a supplier),
I would much appreciate it.
Thanks.
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A friend of mine has a serie of such tapes
Six 9 track, 1600 Bpi, tapes, ( large ones : 2400 feet )
Labeled 1992 / 1993 SPOT2
Any guess what is / was "SPOT2" ???
eBay item# 230917408086.
This is one of Sellam's lost items and it's interestingin that it
appears to be an S-100 machine made by HP. The cabinet definitely looks
like HP, the boards not so much, although a couple seem to have
gold-plated traces that look HP-ish. I've never heard of this machine
before, and I can find no information about it on the 'net. I'venever
heard of HP making an S-100 machine, it seems out of character for them
:). Anyone have any insights here?
- Josh
At 02:13 PM 1/27/2013, Paul Anderson wrote:
>21st norad only had the hula girl while I was there. great article.
>brings back a lot of memories.
I asked the author Benj Edwards <editor at vintagecomputing.com> if
anyone had a copy of the data - so far, no one said they had it.
I thought it would be fun to recreate it from the original deck.
- John
> From: Terry Stewart <terry at webweavers.co.nz>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:02:48 +1300
> Subject: My BBC Model B on Youtube
> The best of British in my collection. The capable and classy BBC Model
> B Microcomputer System.
> http://youtu.be/r9oAAcRk2Ys
The Rhode Island Computer Museum has a BBC Model B Issue 4 in the
British Collection.
http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/foreign-market-personal-computers/bbc-…
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Hi,
I have been reading about LIF format floppies, in particular as used on the HP Series 80 and 200.
I found this description:
ftp://ftp.hpmuseum.org/lif/lifutil/lif_over.txt
an overview on MoHPC:
http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=24
and the HPDir utility:
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdir/index.html
Can anyone explain please how bad sectors are marked as 'spare' under LIF? The LIF overview states:
"LIFUTIL cannot recognize "spared tracks" on a LIF disk. To explain ...
when you format a LIF disk, not all the tracks may be good; so the
formatting process marks them as "bad" or "spared" and they are not used.
LIFUTIL is incapable of distinguishing a spared track from any other;
so it will suck in the spared track along with any other tracks in the
file or directory, leading to corrupted files or catalog reads."
What I can't find is a description of the bytes encoded on the disk to mark a track as spare. One possibility is this is dealt with by the HP disk controller firmware, and so hidden to the operating system, which sees a LIF directory as per the above descriptions, without seeing the spare tracks.
I am trying to find some floppies with spare tracks and then analyse them on a PC, hopefully someone has been there already and can shed some light on the mechanism used.
Regards,
John
It is normally better to top post when only one idea is going to put forth.
Of course, with all us old guys with short memories ...
And of course, it is easier to complain/comment about top posting than
the constant posts unrelated to the subject line :).
> On 23 January 2013 00:14, Dan Gahlinger<dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Yes, lots of games and stuff were done in ARexx, sound and images, etc.
>> >
>> >and btw quoting vrx/sexton as a source automatically disqualifies you
>
> We normally don't top-quote on this list.
>
> I don't even know who or what vrx/sexton is; I merely gave the top hit
> or 2 from Google.
>
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More goodies for the Don Maslin archive - I'm up to and including the
"cpmprog" directory so far.
Also, some SLR tools were added.
g.
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> > It's a real pity you won't ship to Canada. I'd take the 11/04, rx02s,
> > and the tu-58. I've already got an 11/34a, this would make a great
> > addition to my collection.
>
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> More cleaning and lowered price on some stuff that didn't sell last time
>> around.
>>
>> As always, remind me that you are a list member and I'll add some
>> freebies.
>>
>> Thanks to all on the list whose purchased from me.
>>
>> -tom
>>
>> tcp1022
>>
>> AT&T 6300 Personal Computer 251219453567
>> DEC Pro 350 251219291641
>> DEC VAX4000/300 251219438856
>> DEC alpha PWS 500au 251219352958
>> DEC VAX 4000/VLC 251219392926
>> HP 9885 floppy drives 251219443307
>> AT&T 6300 251219453567
>> DEC TU-58 251219297427
>> SMS RXO1/RX02 floppy dr 251219332374
>> PDP 11/04 251219325467
>> ADM3A 251219433952
>
HOW comes that theses items CANNOT EVEN be seen from abroad ??
>From France, to be specific.
Is that normal / usual ??