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by qkalfut＠yahoo.com

http://apextrans.net/qneysv/bevktn?xidfphjplfi

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I'm baack...

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

Well, it's been about a 3 year hiatus from the list for me... How many of the old farts & curmudgeons are still around? ;) One burning question, has the list's definition of a classic computer been updated from the 10 year rule? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "...Talking to you is like clapping with one hand." Anthrax, "Caught in a mosh"

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OT: 1000 year DVD storage

by barythrin＠gmail.com

I can't wait to find my 1000 year old or perhaps my great-great-great...at grandkids will finally be able to access my password protected zip file. Maybe this is an investment call to collectors who get called upon to recover media?

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virtual library

by sales＠elecplus.com

I found the Virtual Library today, vlib.org. MANY interesting sites, check it out! Cindy Croxton _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6195 - Release Date: 03/21/13

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Vertical stand for IBM 7043-43P

by BHuntsman＠mail2.cu-portland.edu

Hi! Anyone have a vertical stand for an IBM 7043-43P they'd be willing to sell? Many thanks! -Ben

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Surplus and haunts in LA?

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Relocating, and looking for your recommendations to feed the electronics/computer/ham habit. I'm thinking there must be a ton of aerospace junk for sale, or perhaps today its sadly shredded. Whats out there on the West Coast in the LA area? Randy KF7CJW

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OT: 1000 year DVD storage

by barythrin＠gmail.com

I may buy one in 1000 years if it proved to last that long. Reads a lot like a life time guarantee scam though. After the main batch of sales the company pays out employees then declares bankruptcy and you have your 1 year lifetime guarantee till they come out with a separate second company with the same name with a 2 and do it all over again. Its clever.

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VMS documentation binders to give away

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Out of curiosity what language are the manuals written in?

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"Lifetime" guarantees [was Re: OT: 1000 year DVD storage]

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

At 05:34 PM 3/21/2013, you wrote: > > Back when I was a kid, there was a brand of tool - I think it was the > >That would be Craftsman. They still honor that guarantee, even for new >tools. Power tools are not covered this way, however. Ah, but the great thing about Sears power tools is that you can still get parts for them. I still use the router I got from my dad. He got it in the 60's -- and it was a rebuild then. About 5 years ago, I needed to replace the bearings and thought I'd replace the collet while I was at it. I went online, found the manual with a parts diagram, ordered the parts, and got myself a like-new router out of it. 767 . [Truth] Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. --Albert Einstein a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Looking for information on Old Hewlett Packard Machines

by michael＠almegacy.com

Does anyone have information on how to get initial sale date for old Hewlett Packard computers? The current system that HP has doesn?t cover old computers from the early 1990s. I am trying to find date of sale for the systems below, and if possible, the country in which they were originally registered: ? Hewlett Packard Series 9000 712/60 (Model Number A4024A), Base Model Number A2615A, Serial Number: 6420A50415 ? Hewlett Packard Series 9000 712/60 (Model Number A2854A), Base Model Number A2615A, Serial Number: 6406A50027 ? Hewlett Packard Series 9000 712/60 (Model Number A4023A), Base Model Number A2615A, Serial Number: 6428A50358 ? Hewlett Packard Series 9000 A2051-66521 HP 9000 E35 64Mhz CPU, Serial Number: 40110293VF Is there a database for old HP computers that someone can direct me to find out information on these? Thanks!

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RK05 drive foam deterioration and replacement

by Carl.Claunch＠gartner.com

I just picked up an RK05AA drive, unknown condition but it appears in good shape internally. As I was going through a detailed inspection, I touched the foam that surrounds the air duct that connects to the access door on the cartridge, delivering clean air. The foam flaked off and seems to be deteriorating. Not as badly as the foam used in Selectric typewriters, which has turned to sludge after a few decades, but not something I want releasing particles into an air stream that will flow under the heads. Is this a known issue with the drives? What do people who restore/repair these do to eliminate this source of contamination into the cartridge? I would like to address this before I install a new absolute filter. Any tips for a substitute for the CE pack when I get to the point of loading heads and adjusting the drive? Carl ________________________________ This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the person to whom it has been sent, and may contain information that is confidential or legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this message in error, you are not authorized to copy, distribute, or otherwise use this message or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and permanently delete this message and any attachments. Gartner makes no warranty that this e-mail is error or virus free.

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FS: AMD "Build A Microcomputer"; Abacus "OS/2 Complete"

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

More housecleaning :) 7-part "Build a Microcomputer" looseleaf application note series from AMD 1978, based on their 2900 series devices. Chapters are: Computer Architecture, Microprogrammed Design, The Data Path I & II, Program Control Unit, Interrupt, Direct Memory Access. $5 plus Media Mail shipping from 65775. "OS/2 Complete: A practical guide to the OS/2 operating system" version 2.1 by Peter Franken, 1992. $3 plus shipping. thanks Charles

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FS: MS-DOS & Turbo Pascal books

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

FS: Microsoft MS-DOS 5.0 "User's Guide and Reference", $5 plus Media Mail shipping from 65775; Borland "Turbo Pascal for Windows User's Guide". $3 plus shipping. Also "Microsoft Windows Graphical Environment User's Guide" Version 3.0 from the Z-Nix Company, $2 plus shipping. thanks Charles

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The RICM Needs Two DEC BC09A Cables

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

The RICM has their PDP-9 processor and core working nicely now, except for the DAC and DZM instructions. Once we get the processor and paper tape reader/punch restoration completed the next task will be connecting the TC59 tape controller and the TU20 tape drive. Bitsavers has the TC59 manuals. I bought an HP 7975A maintenance manual for the TU20 tape transport that is now scanned and on Bitsavers. We don't have any documentation for the rack of electronics in the bottom of the TU20 that connects the 7975A to the TC59. Does anyone have DEC TU20 documentation? Where could we find two BC09A cables to connect the TC59 to the PDP-9 processor? -- Michael Thompson

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I'm baack...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 03/21/2013 03:19 PM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: >>>> I've got this WONDERFUL >>>> *****RARE***** >>>> **** SUPER CLASSIC ***** @@@@ LOOOK @@@@******MUST SEEEEEEE****** >>>> ****////ORIGINAL DELL/////****** >>>> 2.8GHZ *SCREAMER FOR ITS TIME* PENTIUM *4* (NOT MANY LEFT!!!!!) >>>> >>>> **** TWO GIGS OF RAM**** SMALL IN OUR TIME, BUT HUGE, HUGE >> ABSOLUTELY >>>> HUGE >>>> FOR A WORKSTATION OF THAT PERIOD. >>>> >>>> FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY FOR SALE ON THE MARKET~!!!!!! ORIGINAL LIST >> PRICE >>>> $1,400 YOURS NOW FOR A LIMITED TIME BID STARTING AT $10,000 >>>> >>>> GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY BIDDING!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I died a little inside typing that out. >>>> >>> If it's any consolation, I died a little bit reading it. >> >> ROFL!! > > Dave McGuire, man of action, laughs in the face of death. "Sport death: Only life can kill you." -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VMS documentation binders to give away

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Hello everybody, there are eight grey VMS documentation binders to give away which are duplicates in my collection: -Volume 2a and 2b: Introduction to VMS, Guide to Using VMS, Guide to VMS Files and Devices, Mail Utility, Phone Utility, Sort/Merge Utility (VMS version 5.0) - Release Notes: Volume 2: Release Notes (VMs version 5.4) - General User: volume 1: General Information: Master Index, General User Master Index, Glossary (VMS version 5.0) - General User: Volume 3: Using DCL: DCL Concepts, Guide to Using Command Procedures (VMS version 5.0) - General User: volume 4: DCL Dictionary (VMS version 5.0) - General User : volume 5A:Processing Text: Guide to Text Processing, EDT Reference (VMS version 5.0) - General User : volume 5C: Processing Text: DIGITAL standard Runoff, EVE Reference (VMS version 5.0) - Programming: Volume 8: Device Support: Device Support Manual(VMS version 5.0) First come, first serve, I give them away for free whoever is interested in them. You only have to take care of the shipping costs. Documents are located in Germany near the belgian and dutch boarder. Kind regards, Pierre ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre's collection of classic computers : http://classic-computing.dyndns.org/

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Data Converter Reference Manual

by wmachacek＠q.com

I have the Analog Devices, Inc., "Data Converter Reference Manual", Volumes I & II, 1992 edition. These are big and heavy (3 pounds apiece). I am no longer interested in keeping these manuals around. I will be willing to send these to anyone who is willing to pay for the shipping (via Media Mail). It looks like the cost will be a little over $5, so the first person with $5 who wants these manuals can get them. Thanks and I'll be checking this list to see who, if anyone, is interested. Bill Machacek Colo. Springs, CO

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OT: 1000 year DVD storage

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

----- Original Message ----- >>??Perhaps not close to 1000 years, but certainly across a lifetime spam--I > > In 1000 years, well past our lifetime, will there BE anything besides > "spam" > >>??would think that these would be handy for preserving family photos, >>??particularly of important events such as weddings. > > Other than archeologists, in 1000 years, who is going to WANT our data? there are a few known facts: * every generation well want to relive their childhood * military/corporate project become cheaper and enter the consumer market[1] * new data mining methods are discovered * old information has value but is lost/miss-placed/destroyed before the true value is discovered (wiping) [1] 3D printers, Remote control vehicle, computers, etc tom

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Anyone have any interest in an NCD ThinStar 300 "terminal"?

by seefriek＠gmail.com

Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes: > >Apparently I did, but the URL - www.ncd-x.com/doc/TerminalUsersGuide.pdf - >made me think it was the original company. Nice they put the manuals up, but sure would be nifty if they put the last software for the traditional X terminals (e.g. HMX) up. As far as I know (and I haven't burned many cycles checking) that all died long before NCD did. Probably shouldn't have tossed my (pre-HMX) NCD with X in (many) PROMs, but it was mono X11R2/3-ish and not much past xterm/Xaw worked that well, post year 2000.

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Anyone have any interest in an NCD ThinStar 300 "terminal"?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, A friend of mine who repairs and recertifies equipment occasionally runs across interesting hardware. He has an NCD ThinStar 300 WinCE thin client box that he was planning on scrapping (for the PSU, the metal, the PCB, the CPU, etc) but I thought I'd ask if anyone has enough interest to offer something for it to cover shipping and the time to pack and ship it. I'm told it works. Internally, it's some flavor of Pentium with a passive heat sink, a couple of PC-100 SDRAM DIMMs, a Crystal Sound audio chip, and some flavor of Ethernet. I found a manual on the NCD site with little effort. Anyone interested? Make an offer and I'll pass it along. It doesn't have to be an outrageous offer, just enough to make it worth the time to not strip it for the PSU and a small amount of electronic recycling value. -ethan

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Thomson T-VT 6000 terminal in Ireland (ebay)

by legalize＠xmission.com

Looks worth saving if anyone is nearby. <http://www.ebay.com/itm/111032447415> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Free: Solaris 2.5.1 Sparc Desktop

by kurt.m.nowak＠gmail.com

Dug up a copy of Solaris 2.5.1 Sparc Desktop while sorting out my stuff...All the manuals and disks all seem to be in the box...I know its a bit useless and dated considering other better OS alternatives for older Sparcs. Does anybody want this? I'll just send it in a USPS flat rate box. Contact me off the list if interested. I am in the San Diego area, 91942. -Kurt

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Otrona Attache 8:16 DOS board debugging tip

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Thought I'd share this, just so it at least gets archived for posterity... Idug out my Otrona Attaches this week and decided to try and fix the16-bit (aka "almost PC-compatible") board in one of them. The symptom was that the board would run correctly for maybe 90 seconds before it would crash. The built in diagnostics (for ROM rev. H) can test the RAM on the 16-bit board (using the "[" command from the monitor), and doing so revealed that the RAM test would pass for a little while and then start failing, indicating "U66" as the fault.According to the service manual this indicates the actual faulty chip on the board. Not so! Replacing U66 had no effect. I then got out my Fluke 9010 w/8086 pod (I'm just dying for excuses to play with this thing...) and had ittest the RAM (the 16-bit board contains 256K). RAM from word 0x20000 to 0x3FFFF was fine, but the lower half of RAM started showing bit 0x4000 stuck after warm up -- looking at the Otrona schematic (http://oldcomputers.net/Attache_Schematics.pdf) this would point to chip U61 (which services bit 14 for the lower half of memory), not U66(which is bit 14 for the upper half). So: Moral of the story is the Attache's attempt at being helpful is simply misleading, alas.Hopefully this helps someone else someday :). - Josh

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IC programmer with rs232?

by brain＠jbrain.com

Anyone know a good rs232-based programmer? I have a willem (great unit, use it all the time, hate the switches), and a Gq-4X USB unit (nice unit, no switches, A14 is a bit weak and won't program my ROM-3l 23128 devices). But, I was considering setting up a small set of scripts on a UNIX/linux box here that could program items via a menu, and thought a serial (or usb serial) would be easiest to script. I could grab an older unit (though I didn't turn up promising links in half hour os searches tonight), but I'd prefer it support at49F series FLASH. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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Kaypro II floppy identification?

by xmechanic＠landcomp.net

OK, so I dug the Kaypro II back out of storage now that I have some usable floppy disks, thanks to a good friend. :) Anyway, I found out that the current A: drive wasn't being detected in the BIOS on my disk creation machine. B: disk works fine. Checked all connections and made sure everything was seated properly, and still no luck. So I pulled both drives and inspected everything and then just swapped positions and re-installed them, hoping that the different positions on the cable was what selects which drive is which. Well, not so. The machine still tries to select the original A: drive. Is there a jumper setting on these old full bay 5 1/4 floppies to select the drive ID? Any ideas? -- Dave Land Land Computer Service Check out my site at http://www.landcomp.net

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Compaq Portable II Power Supply schematic (or capacitor ID)

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Powered up an old Compaq Portable II and was greeted with a cloud of smoke; a tantalum cap's gone to capacitor heaven (it's next to silicon heaven).Unfortunately it's now so far gone I can't read its value -- anyone have a schematic or know what the capacitor at C19 is supposed to be? Thanks, Josh

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OT: 1000 year DVD storage

by barythrin＠gmail.com

You will but you won't have the sata connector. I guess its immune to that bacteria or fungus and/or scratching of the label? I've had lots of cds I've burned go bad in their padded cd holder. (Holes/flakes in the label) making it a seemingly poor decision unless I burned 2 or more of each archive. ------Original Message------ From: Chuck Guzis Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: OT: 1000 year DVD storage Sent: Mar 19, 2013 3:54 PM The M-Disc claims 1,000 year permanency. http://www.mdisc.com/ Anyone have experience with these? --Chuck (wondering if we'll be able to find a 1,000 year old DVD player)

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Is it what the caption says?

by lproven＠gmail.com

http://www.reddit.com/tb/1ak85m Pic alone: http://i.imgur.com/JkSx01y.jpg?1 Caption: My professor showed us 1 byte of data from one of the first ever computers. Amazing to see how far we've come! Discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1ak85m/my_professor_showed_us_1_byte_… -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

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Selling a DEC RX02 on Ebay

by aperry＠snowmoose.com

On Mar 17, 2013, at 1:36 AM, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote: > > I have several of these beasts. > I do go back to when they were current equipment. > The price asked for an RX02 in unknown condition is well over the top. > The shipping price may not be far off as they weigh a ton!! I got one with my 11/750 15 years ago. I sold it for around $200, close to what I paid for the entire system. It was a local sale and I don't recall the drive's weight. alan

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Homebrew mark-sense card reader or other?

by earl＠retrobits.com

Hi all, I need another project like I need a hole in the head. However, I am definitely on the prowl for a way to store and retrieve information in a more physical fashion. Something like a tape punch/reader, or a mark-sense card reader. (I'd have to find or print some mark-sense cards...) Back in the day I used punch cards, mark-sense cards, and paper tape. There's a certain "coolness" to actually seeing and holding the data in a physical format. I think it would be great for my kids to see, and/or help me build a physical storage device, to give them a more visceral sense of computing. You can't exactly see the bits in a flash memory chip. All that said - I've looked for homebrew projects of this type, and haven't come up with any great candidates. I'm not the most skilled person at mechanical stuff, so I do seek a starting point for ideas or plans. Anyone have any comments/suggestions? Goal would be a method to store (could be as simple as #2 pencil), a method to read, and a serial RS232 interface (that part I can build). Thanks! - Earl

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BB-M448B-BC DECNET11/M+ V2.0 DECKIT?

by bob＠jfcl.com

Bitsavers has the file BB-M448B-BC_DECNET11M+_V2_NETKIT_1984.tap which is (sadly!) exactly half of the DECnet-11M v2.0 for RSX. Missing is the corresponding DECKIT tape. I know it's a long shot, but would anybody out there have it?? Yes, bitsavers does have the NETKIT/DECKIT pair for V3.0 and V4.2, but I need the older version. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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FS: various (old) 68-pin and 50-pin SCSI disks

by marcogb＠xs4all.nl

Anyone interested? Pretty much everything from 1 Gbyte to 9.1 Gbytes that can go, from various vendors (Seagate, Compaq, Quantum, Micropolis, IBM, etc.). The disks have recently been tested. Furthermore, the disks are located in the Netherlands and I will happily ship to wherever desired and covered for. - MG

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Apple II+ Lego

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

This is rather nice...? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chiukeung/8565233993/in/photostream I also liked the Mac Lego http://www.flickr.com/photos/72974131 at N00/8412086698 and the Sinclair ZX-81 Lego http://www.flickr.com/photos/hairydalek/sets/72157629011228815/?

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Old manuals -- Need archiving?

by v.slyngstad＠frontier.com

A friend sent me a list today of documents he has, wondering if they are of interest to classic computer folk. Most of these categories are outside my expertise, so I'm asking here if these should get archived, and if so who volunteers to do it :-). Here's the list: Control Data 6000 Series manuals ===================================================== Kronos 2.1 Instant Manual Control Data Cyber 70 Series Models 72/73/74 6000 Series Computer Systems Kronos 2.1 Terminal User's Instant Manual Control Data Cyber 70 Series Models 72/73/74 6000 Series Computer Systems Small (6.5" x 4") "pocket" manuals for operating the Kronos OS original printing dated 10/1973 Algol Generic Reference Manual Control Data 3000/6000 Revision A, 5/31/1968 Modify Reference Manual Control Data Cyber 170, Cyber 70, 6000 Series and 7600 computer systems Card based version control Revision E, 10/1/1974 APL*Cyber Reference Manual Control Data Cyber 170, Cyber 70, 6000 Series and 7600 computer systems Revision C, August 1974 Oregon State Open Shop Operating System (OS3) ==================================================== Assembly listing of OS3 operating system dated September 1974 Assembly language listing of core operating system. OS3 was a demand-paged, virtual memory, multi-user operating system that used a PDP8 as a front end to multiplex many teletypes scattered around the Oregon State campus. OS-3 Reference Manual for OS-3 Version 4.3 July 1973 OSU: Grope User's Manual January 1972 "Grope" (Graphical Representation of Parameterized Expressions) was an input and graphing system running on OS-3 and a Tektronix 4002A terminal. Grafit User Notes February 1973 Jeff Ballance, Jo Ann Baughman, Larry Hubble "The GRAFIT system is an interactive program for displaying data on the Tektronix terminal and/or the Calcomp plotter or on a Hewlett-Packard teletype compatible X-Y plotter and/or the Calcomp plotter." Various OSU computer center manual on editing tools Useful Features of OS-3 James S. Sasser August 1974 Primer for Users of Oregon State's Open Shop Operating System (OS-3) September 1972 A Brief Description of OSCAR (Third Revision)(Describes Version 56) Joel Davis, Gilbert A. Bachelor September 1969 "OSCAR" (Oregon State Conversational Aid to Research) is an arithmetical interpreter for use at remote teletype or CRT connections to the CDC 3300." OSCAR: A User's Manual with Examples (revised September 1969) Jo Ann Baughman, Mary Lynn Berryman, Joel Davis September, 1969 MISC ==================================================== Concurrent Pascal - Introduction Per Brinch Hansen Concurrent Pascal Machine Per Brinch Hansen Concurrent Pascal Report Per Brinch Hansen Sequential Pascal Report Per Brinch Hansen Alfred C. Hartmann Information Science California Institute of Technology 7"x10" manuals published in July 1975 Laural Manual Douglas K. Brotz Palo Alto Research Center "Laural is an Alto-based, display-oriented, computer mail system interface." published May 1981 Sail Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Memo AIM-289, Report STAN-CS-76-578 edited by John F. Reiser August 1976 "Sail is a high-level programming language for the PDP-10 computer. It includes an extended ALGOL 60 compiler and a companion set of execution-time routines. In addition to ALGOL, the language features: (1) flexible linking to hard-coded machine language algorithms, (2) complete access to the PDP-10 I/O facilities, (3) a complete system of compile-time arithmetic and logic as well as a flexible macro system, (4) a high-level debugger, (5) records and references, (6) sets and lists, (7) an associative data structure, (8) independent processes, (0) procedure varaiables(sic), (10) user modifiable error handling, (11) backtracking, and (12) interrupt facilities." various UNIX 'man' printouts and misc manuals. Things like: Berkeley Font Catalog (October 1980) Typesetting Mathematics -- User's Guide (Second Edition) Brian W. Kerninghan and Lorinda L. Cherry Bell Laboratories, August 1978 Typing Documents on the UNIX System: Using the -ms Macros with Troff and Nroff M.E. Lesk Bell Laboratories, May 1982 ... many more UNIX Nroff and Troff manuals ba.uuYumYum (March 1986) a dining guide compiled from reviews public in group ba.general -- o< The ASCII Ribbon Campaign Against HTML Email!

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My Apple Lisas on Youtube

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Two grand old ladies from my classic computer collection. The Apple Lisa 2 and Lisa 2/10 http://youtu.be/mm0hqVVjY48 Tez

13 years, 3 months

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Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS

by elson＠pico-systems.com

>> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:09:10 -0400 >> From: Bob Vines >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 advice >> Message-ID: <513DAD46.2010300 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > > > UPS will ship fairly large items in their cardboard boxes, but it's > *expensive*. I recently received some DECmates with their RX02s > (which were still in their furniture/carts). Each 3x3x3 box weighed > nearly 150 pounds. > I've had bad experiences shipping heavy stuff with UPS. I've had great luck with FedEx, and FedEx ground is quite reasonable. The UPS store is not operated by by UPS, and their insurance is VERY expensive, probably 4 times more than FedEx. UPS admits the way they unload their semis is to push everything out onto the ground. Also, the UPS store charges $16 to 25 for each box, at FedEx, they are more like $5. Jon

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ebay Vintage Imlac PDS 1 kinda over priced

by barythrin＠gmail.com

My condolences to all of ya. I can only imagine the emotion seeing rescues and personal work getting sold by scrappers.

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Bendix G-15

by elson＠pico-systems.com

Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:32:26 -0500 From: "Craig Solomonson" <craig at solomonson.net> To: cctech at classiccmp.org Subject: Resurrecting a Bendix G-15 Message-ID: <8e4be175ad314f9ab0f5ebe075accc8a.squirrel at www.solomonson.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I was going through some boxes of old documents as I prepare to thin out my computer collection and ran across a couple leads that I had 30+ years ago on a couple early vacuum tube era computers--one was a Bendix G-15 and the other was a Royal Precision LGP-30. Thought it would be fun to see if either computer was still there and turns out that the Bendix G-15 is buried in a storage unit yet! I haven't heard back on the LGP-30 yet. When the weather warms up, I will get a chance to help dig out the Bendix and hopefully make a deal on it. Apparently, the Bendix was operational before going into storage in the mid-1970's. So, what are the chances that after sitting for almost 40 years that it would still be operational? I know that vaccum tubes can deteriorate but those are easy to replace. What about the capacitors, resistors, and diodes? I do not know if the storage unit was climate controlled, but if not, I assume corrosion could be a problem with all the contacts. What other issues might one expect with an old system like this? Unfortunately, I am not an electronics expert but always like a challenge. I now regret selling my Bendix Diode tester a few years ago on eBay! Maybe I will have to rent in some day if I make the deal! Wow, that would be a real antique, and there are VERY few G-15's running. Testing the diode cards would not be that big a problem even without the tester. Major capacitors in the power supply would be best replaced before they exploded. Our G-15 had a scored drum, where dirt packed against the heads and burned a groove through the oxide coating. The other thing that didn't work well was the typewriter. I don't know if it was the typewriter itself or the huge box of relays that encoded/decoded the character codes that was flaky. Jon

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Needed: older connector power cord

by technobug＠comcast.net

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:36:51 -0600, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > OK, I've got an HP X-Y display with the older power cord connector, > where the three pins are round instead of two being blades and the > only the ground pin being round. The entire plug socket is also > rounded instead of angled. > [?] I believe what you are looking for is a PH-163 connector. AFAIK the last (current) manufacturer was/is Volex part number 17280 <http://www.datasheets.com/search/Preview.admin?v=0&flag=detail&comId=43188B…>. ->CRC

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sperry univac stamps?

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

recently been given a box of sperry univac stamps not sure what to do with them yet kinda kool and random http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9779/dsc9873l.jpg

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eBay: PDP9 (or 15?) core memory

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi folks, there's an interesting complete core memory system on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190813695638 And yes: I'm the seller. But it does not come from my personal collection: I'm selling it for someone else. Perhaps someone on the list likes it. Personal offers by E-mail, not E-Bay... Kind regards, Philipp :-) -- Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialit?ten Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover Tel. 0511/3522222, Mobil 0171/2632239 Fax. 0511/3500439 hachti at hachti.de www.tiegeldruck.de UStdID DE 202668329

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ebay Vintage Imlac PDS 1 kinda over priced

by mhs.stein＠gmail.com

----- Original Message ----- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:10 -0700 From: Jim Stephens <jws at jwsss.com> On 3/13/2013 1:41 PM, TeoZ wrote: >> -<snip> >> Pretty much every collection has that happen when the owner dies or fall >> on hard times. At least some of it will go on in another persons >> collection. >This was not either of those circumstances, unless you call unethical and >possibly illegal behavior toward the individual "hard times". >I am hopeful most can own the place they store their collections or can at >least have some real control. renting can result in what happened in this >case. ... ----- Reply: No, there are laws in pretty well every jurisdiction that protect a *responsible* renter from this sort of thing and are in fact generally even biased in the renter's favour. But repeatedly not paying the rent on time (or at all), jerking the landlord around with excuses, broken promises and missed deadlines, taking him to court to fight a justified eviction and no doubt costing him considerable money in legal fees etc., and, finally, not clearing out the contents when given the opportunity to do so, *THAT'S* what usually predictably results in what happened in this case. You're right, this is not a case of the owner dying or falling on hard times with no way of coming up with the rent (like selling off a duplicate piece or two or asking for help); it's irresponsibility and negligence and if I'd donated something in good faith I'd be pretty pissed when I saw it being flogged on eBay as a result... m

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DEC Q-Bus DLV11 M7940 SLU Documentation

by pbirkel＠gmail.com

Can some kind soul point me to the technical documentation for the Q-Bus DLV11 M7940 Serial Line Unit? It has a 2x20 pin-out connector of unknown. I gather that it's a pretty common card, so I'd expect the documentation to still be "out there" ... like the truth :->. Not the DLV11-J, which is the 4-line card. The only good news is that the MC1488 and MC1489 are nearby, which will help a little. But documentation is *much* better! Probably any of its variants will do just fine (e.g., M7940-YA "M7940 W EXTRA WIRES TO BRING OUT CLOCK & 110/300 SPEED CHG"). Attached is what I've thus-far been able to find, which is jumper-info dug out of a paper-tape reader manual! Thank you, paul

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flatbed scanners with ADF

by sales＠elecplus.com

We have 10+ flat bed scanners, mostly SCSI, with ADF attachments. Most of them are HP, a few are AGFA or another brand. $20 each plus shipping, tested working. No software included. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6185 - Release Date: 03/17/13

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old scanners

by sales＠elecplus.com

I have 2 old, heavy machines that I looked up on Google over 10 years ago. 1 appears to be Unix-only document scanner with sheet feeder. The original software, which came on 5.25" floppies, had OCR software. I MIGHT still have the floppies here somewhere. Anyone interested in these 2 old beasts? Bell & Howell Classic TDR-500 is apparently for microfilm capture? Parts are still readily available online, if needed. Xerox K5200 model SA4-2 with ADF-4, includes 2 very thick cables. Both very dusty/dirty, never turned on. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6185 - Release Date: 03/17/13

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Library machines

by jbmcb1＠gmail.com

My earliest memories of seeing computers in action were at the library. Old ADM-3 terminals with light pens to scan in barcodes on the books and on your library card. Plus the muffled sound of a line printer in back doing lists of late check-outs. This would have been in the 1980's. The library I used to go to still had those ADM's well into the '90s, then replaced with gray sided, amber screened WYSE VT-100 lookalikes. But the UI looked the same, so I assume the backend was the same. Anyone know what minis ran library management software back then? I know the university I went to was all Amdhal with 5250 terminals, but the local libraries obviously used something smaller.

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Selling a DEC RX02 on Ebay

by filipmaj＠gmail.com

Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151012639827

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IBM 5150 ROMs

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 20:32 -0600 3/1/13, <Ben> wrote: >Offhand I would say yes. Now 20+ years later I don't have any paper >docs of the COCO II and the XT. For Color Computer The Byte article on COCO (original) says 800 mV 1500 bps. Greg Lomont's Color computer guide says: Color BASIC saves a file as a series of blocks, each with 0-255 bytes of data. Some blocks need preceded by a leader to establish timing. Each bit is recorded as a single cycle of a sine-wave. A "1" is a single cycle at 2400 Hz, and a "0" is a single cycle at 1200 Hz. Bytes are stored least significant bit first. Bits are recognized when the sine wave crosses from positive to negative, so loudness is not as important as one might expect. A file consists of: 1. a leader 2. a filename block 3. a 1/2 second gap 4. another leader 5. some number of data blocks 6. an end-of-file block A leader is just hex $80(128 dec) bytes of hex $55 (binary 01010101). A block contains: 1. two "magic" bytes ($55 and $3C) 2. one byte - block type (00=filename, $01=data, $FF=EOF) 3. one byte - data length ($00 to $FF) 4. 0 to 255 bytes - data 5. one byte - checksum (sum of data, type, and length bytes) 6. another magic byte ($55) Filename blocks have $F(15) bytes of data; EOF blocks have zero bytes of data; data blocks have $00-$FF bytes of data indicated by length byte. A filename block contains: 1. eight bytes - the filename 2. one byte - file type ($00=BASIC, $01=data, $02=machine code) 3. one byte - ASCII flag ($00=binary, $FF=ASCII) 4. one byte - gap flag ($00=no gaps, $FF=gaps) (The tech manual incorrectly (?) shows 01 as the code for "no gaps") 5. two bytes - machine code starting address 6. two bytes - machine code loading address There should be no gaps, except preceding the file, and in case the filename blocks requests gaps, in which case there is a 1/2 second gap and leader before each data block and EOF block. Hardware The cassette cable has a 5-pin DIN connector on one end, that plugs into the back of the CoCo; the other end has three earphone-style plugs, that plug into the EAR, AUX (or MIC), and REMOTE jacks. The remote-control plug is smaller than the other two. The other two are differentiated by color: the black one plugs into the EAR jack, while the grey one plugs into AUX. Here is an ASCII drawing of that connector, including a pinout and showing how the pins are numbered. The drawing is of the connector at the end of the cable, with the pins pointing toward you. So if you are looking at the back of the machine, at the connector there, this pinout is backwards. My apologies for the wacky numbering; this is the same numbering as in the CoCo-1 technical manual. ------- Pin# Name Connects to / \___/ \ ---- ------- ----------------------------------- / \ / \ 1 CASSMOT SG stem | | 2 GND B stem, LG stem | 1o o3 | | | 3 CASSMOT SG tip o o \ 4 o 5 / 4 CASSIN B tip \ 2 / \ / 5 CASSOUT LG tip ------- B=black SG=small grey LG=large grey The names are given from the perspective of the computer, so "OUT" means output from the computer, input to the cassette, and it should go into the AUX (or MIC) jack while the cassette is recording. -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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Resurrecting a Bendix G-15

by craig＠solomonson.net

I was going through some boxes of old documents as I prepare to thin out my computer collection and ran across a couple leads that I had 30+ years ago on a couple early vacuum tube era computers--one was a Bendix G-15 and the other was a Royal Precision LGP-30. Thought it would be fun to see if either computer was still there and turns out that the Bendix G-15 is buried in a storage unit yet! I haven't heard back on the LGP-30 yet. When the weather warms up, I will get a chance to help dig out the Bendix and hopefully make a deal on it. Apparently, the Bendix was operational before going into storage in the mid-1970's. So, what are the chances that after sitting for almost 40 years that it would still be operational? I know that vaccum tubes can deteriorate but those are easy to replace. What about the capacitors, resistors, and diodes? I do not know if the storage unit was climate controlled, but if not, I assume corrosion could be a problem with all the contacts. What other issues might one expect with an old system like this? Unfortunately, I am not an electronics expert but always like a challenge. I now regret selling my Bendix Diode tester a few years ago on eBay! Maybe I will have to rent in some day if I make the deal!

13 years, 3 months

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Flextra BR-3020 or BR-3225 25/50MB Floppy Drive

by robin＠hx-20.com

On 03/13/2013 01:46 PM, Robin England wrote: > On 03/12/2013 09:29 AM, Robin England wrote: >> Does anyone have a Brier Technology BR-3020 or BR-3225 high >> capacity floppy drive I could borrow please? > >> Wouldn't an Insite I325VM work just as well if reading is your >> object? I suspect that there are far more of them than the Brier >> units. > >> --Chuck > > Thanks Chuck. Do you know for sure that the I325VM can read the > Flextra 25MB discs? > >No, unfortunately, I can't say for certain Two companies, both in San >Jose (wasn't Insite on "Fortran Drive"?) offering similar capacities >using similar techniques at about the same time. > >The 25MB, as I understand it is "unformatted' capacity, so both drives >are fairly close in advertised capacity. Both use zoned recording and >RLL, but beyond that I can only say that the Insite devices are/were >more common and so probably worth a shot. > >IIRC, Insite also trademarked the term "floptical"... > >?Chuck Thanks Chuck. I have procured the I325VM now and will post back when I have empirical knowledge about the compatibility. Cheers Robin

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