- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

the first one is a bal-500 eprom programmer. it fits in a slot, but it's too tall to run with the cover on! it's not a pc card either. anyone with info on this? the second is a mpc peripherals ap-32 card. its full length with a language card connector, and empty socket for eprom i guess and 6 leds at the top and a toggle switch at the back. the third one is a full length card called an appli-card by pcpi. the last one is a full length card that looks older than most made by axlon 1981. it has a 34 pin header at the top of the card. lots of 74lxxxx chips. no other identification for this one. i can take pictures of these with my quickcam and make available on my page if need be. if anyone knows anything about these cards, give me a shout please. david

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My weekend DEC haul...

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: I was able to score the following from Temple Univ. on Friday. There is still a load of stuff for older machines, and older machines themselves (such as a load of 11/23s, a handful of 11/40s, two 11/34s, plenty of RL01s, monitors, printers, etc. Too much to report...and I didn't even have time to get to the "documents" room, where they had software and manuals for all of the hardware. I spent over 4 hours there and didn't even scratch the surface. I'll be going back in early-October to get more stuff. Here's what I got: 1 DEC 6' 19" rack with 30a power controller 1 MultiTech modem rack and 2 DEC communications servers. The rack is filled with 10 2400-baud modems. 2 DECMate terminals minus keyboards :-( maybe next time. 1 EPROM programmer/IC tester (no disk; bummer) - Miscellaneous cables 1 RD52 hard drive; bad power supply and the grandaddy of them all: A working VAXstation I. Hadrware/software unknown at this time, although I can identify a console port, an Ethernet AUI port, and 12 serial ports. Now, I have a shopping list for my next trip, and I need to see the docs and software room. Time to play... +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | | <rcini(a)msn.com> | | MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, | | Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a | | collector of classic computers | +============================================+

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anyone heard of "lobo drives"?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I decided to catalog all my apple ][ stuff this weekend and rediscovered some controller cards and some drive analog cards by a company called lobo drives. they are in good shape, but definately appear to be their age. the circuit boards for the controller cards is almost translucent and they don't seem to have the component or soldering/design quality that later model cards have. several the the analog cards are missing the 74ls125? chip, probably because of incorrect cabling. anyone heard of this company? are the parts worth keeping? david

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PDP11/15

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

After all the discussion here recently about collecting PDP11's I have located one which I intend negotiating for. I haven't actually seen it yet. It is a PDP11/15, a model number that I haven't seem mentioned. Is there a listing somewhere on the web that describes the various models as there is for PDP8's ? This one apparently dates from about 1970, and is probably incomplete. There was talk of a rack, the PDP11/15 itself, some RKO5 disk drives and some boxes labelled PDP11/10 which may be other computers. There is no other IO device other than front panel switches. Could this equipment be used with a more recent terminal? I have no chance of finding a card reader or teletype but have access to several VT220's.

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Replies

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What is this tape cartridge?

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I was checking out the local surplus shop looking for a 19" rack for my latest computer project, no luck there but I did find some other stuff. What I'm really wondering about is this tape cartridge I found: COUSINO Echo-matic II Self Threading Tape Cartridge Orrtronics, Incorporated Toledo, Ohio, USA It's quarter inch tape in a clear case approximatly 1" x 3.5" x 5" in size, and rounded on one end. The actual tape reel is about 2.25" and has almost no tape on it. The tape looks to be a continous loop. Does anyone have any idea what this is? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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FW: SMD Disk drive, FREE to good home -- UK

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Can one of our UK readers help with this? Fellow's got an SMD drive free to the first caller. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I have a surplus Fujitsu M2333K (330MB) SMD drive to give away. This is an 8" unit with power supply, and - as far as I know - in working order. It's presently in a small cabinet which was built to hold four of these units. Pressure of space forces me to get rid of it, so it's free to a good home, providing you collect it from York (UK). Otherwise, sadly, it will contribute to some landfill site... Pete <pnt103(a)cs.york.ac.uk> Tel. York (01904) 488699 -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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What's this ISA card?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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PRELIMINARY Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by dastar＠crl.com

This announcement is aimed to inform the members of the classiccmp community of the plans for the upcoming Vintage Computer Festival and is not intended for general distribution. Vintage Computer Festival The Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) is an event held to celebrate computers and their history. Due to the incredible pace of computing technology, computers at least ten years and older are the main focus of this event. Meet other collectors to trade tips, stories and even computers, hear talks by notable computer industry figures, attend workshops geared towards the vintage computer collector, visit the on-site interactive vintage computer museum. Two days of celebrating the science and technology of our diverse computer heritage! Event Highlights Vintage Pioneer (Featured Speaker) TBA - Candidates include Steve Wozniak (Inventor and co-founder of Apple Computer), Lee Felsenstein (Inventor of the SOL-20 Computer), Chris Espinosa (Legendary Programmer, Apple Computer). Guest Speakers TBA - Candidates include Jodelle French (Curator, Intel Museum), Robert X. Cringely (Author of _Accidental Empires_, Producer of _Triumph of the Nerds_ as seen on PBS), Steven Levy (Author of _Hackers_), Paul Fridell (Designer of IBM 5120), Kip Crosby (President of Computer History Association of California) Vintage Computer Spotlight Each year a classic computer is chosen to be featured in the Vintage Computer Spotlight. This year, being the 20th anniversary of the Apple ][, what else but the Apple ][ will be featured. What's more, each year's Vintage Computer Spotlight subject will be the grand-prize of the end-of-show drawing. All attendees will be automatically entered to win this year's Spotlight computer, an original Apple ][ with Integer BASIC ROMS! Workshops A panel of vintage computer collectors will give talks on topics relating to the hobby of classic computer collecting. Discussions will include: Restoration and preservation of old computers - external and internal cleaning tips and techniques; basic electronic repair tips; storage procedures for the long haul Software preservation with a focus on storage tips and techniques for the long haul Computer Collecting 101 - basic computing skills including operation, disk formats, serial communcations basics, how to recognize computers and their peripherals Vintage Computer Museum A hands-on, interactive museum featuring many examples of classic computing machinery through the years. The exhibit is composed of artifacts on loan from the collections of organizations and individuals, and will span the course of decades from the 1950s to the 1980s. Vending A swap-meet style vending area where attendees can shop for old, in some cases antique computers, peripherals, documentation and software. No IBM clones here, just good old classic computers. Where and When TBA - Tentative dates: October 18-19, 1997 Venue TBA - Tri-Valley Area, East Bay (San Francisco Bay Area) Admission - TBD Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Computers (fwd)

by manney＠nwohio.com

> > Switch 1-2 tells it (both PC and XT) about the presence of the coprocessor. > > (I do, btw, have an 8087 in my collection...only one I've ever seen! Even > > rarer was the 8088 to 386 SX-16 upgrade board...the world's s-l-o-w-e-s-t > > 386.) > > K00L. How long does it take to install Linux using that? :-)} Ya know, I was going to try to run Windows on it -- it came with 1 MB. That ought to be interesting across an 8 bit bus. You suppose I could fit enough files on my ST-412? Manney

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Maybe not here-floppy for Toshiba

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

I know that this really doesn't belong here, but in some circles, the old Toshiba laptop that I have may be considered a classic! Anyway, I'm looking for help finding an internal floppy drive for my Toshiba 3100/20 laptop. It's a portable, non-battery Red plasma laptop, with a messed-up 720k floppy drive. Does anyone know where I can get one of these. Toshiba want's over $150 for one, and I won't pay that for a crappy 720k drive on a free machine. Any leads appreciated! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

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Lisa II Power supply wanted in Bay Area...

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, I have been looking for a power supply for my Lisa II for some time now, but as Lisa seem to be very rare in the UK I have had no luck so far. I guess they are more common in the US, so I am putting out this email in the hope of finding someone who has a spare they can let me have. I know of someone who would be willing to transport one back from the Bay Area this weekend which would be real good because it would save a lot in shipping costs. Many thanks for listening... -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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East Coast PDP's

by danjo＠xnet.com

Boy I thought I had lost this one 8-( But NOPE I found it! Harvard seems to have an excess. I can't get there but you people on the East Caost may have a beter chance. Please talk to Clifford. > From chen47(a)fas.harvard.edu Mon Aug 11 19:55:23 1997 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:18:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: Clifford Chen <chen47(a)fas.harvard.edu> > To: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> > Subject: Re: PDP-11 miscellany for sale Hi. Sorry for the extreme delay, but we've had quite a time organizing and documenting our stuff. In any case, here's the list we drew up: Hardware: 1 Digital Decscope (vt-52) 1 Heathkit H19 Terminal (vt-52?) 2 DecWriter II's 1 PDP-11/05 1 PDP-Industrial 11 (a model 35, I think) 1 RK-05 drive + interface 1 Card reader 9+ bus interfaces 1 RK-07 disk drive and 48 inch rack 2 Expansion boxes with power supplies 3 extra power supplies lots of unidentifiable circuit boards 1 RL-01 disk 1 Nashua 15-12 disk a bunch of RK-05 cartridges 1 MT-11 Tape drive and rack Documentation: 1) RT-11 System Reference Manual 2) Programming RSX-11 in Macro and Fortran 3) Workbook for 2) 4) RSX-11 Task Builder manual 5) RSX-11 I/O drivers reference manual 6) RT-11 Software Support Manual 7) RT-11 System Message Manual 8) RT-11 Programmer's Reference Manual 9) RSX-11M PDP-11 Record Management System 10) RSX-11M System generation and installation 11) PDP-11 DL-11 asynchronous line interface engineering drawings 12) RK-05 Engineering drawings 13) KW11-2 Engineering drawings 14) Bootstrap Terminator schematics 15) BA-11-K Mounting box manual 16) RK-07 Schematics 17) KT-11D Memory Manager schematics 18) ME-11L Core memory Schematics 19) KE11-F Floating Instruction Set Schematics 20) TM11 DEC Magtape Schematics 21) KW11-P Programmable Real-time clock Schematics 22) TU10 DEC Magtape engineering drawings 23) Power supply/chassis engineering drawings 24) DL-11 Asynchronous Line interface schematics 25) H720 Power supply and rackmount drawings 26) RK-711N schematics 27) DL-11 Asynchronous line interface schematics 28) Restart Loader schematic 29) KT-11D Memory Manager 30) PDP-11/05 engineering drawings 31) LAXX-KG drawings 32) RK-05J engineering drawings 33) More RK-05 engineering drawings 34) RK-11D disk controller schematics 35) RK-611 schematics 36) KD-11A schematics 37) Qume daisywheel manual and schematics 38) Heathkit terminal manual 39) RK-07 manual and schematics 40) DECwriter 2 manual 41) Model 1770 memory manual 42) KT-11 memory manager manual 43) DL-11 asynchronous line interface manual 44) RT-11 Software Support Manual 45) RT-11 System User's guide 46) RT-11 Documentation Directory 47) RT-11 System reference manual 48) Qume interface manual 49) RX-02 floppy manual 50) RT-11 Programmer's manual 51) RT-11 System release notes 52) RT-11 Fortran manual 53) Kermit Manual 54) DSR (text formatter) manual 55) RT-11 intro 56) Decwriter II maintenance manual 57) RT-11 Basic manual 58) RT-11 software support manual 59) LISP manual 60) ODT Reference (RSX-11) 61) RSX-11 Crash dump analyer manual 62) RSX-11 Error logging 63) RSX-11 System Library routines 64) RSX-11 diagnostics 65) RSX-11 System library update notice 66) RSX-11 Program development 67) RSX-11 I/O operations 68) Random pages from a 1984 Byte magazine 69) Centronics Series 100 Printer manual 70) M200 Card Reader manual 71) Raytheon PDP-11 repair manual 72) RX211 floppy controller drawings 73) KT-11D memory management manual 74) KW11-L programmable clock manual 75) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 76) MM11S, MF-11L, MF11-D core memory systems 77) BA11K mounting box manual 78) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 79) XXDP - PDP11 diagnostic manual 80) MS11-L MOS memory users guide 81) PDP-11/05-s, PDP-11/10-s system manual 82) BA11K mounting box 83) BA11K technical manual 84) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 85) DR11-W direct memory interface module 86) BA-11K engineering drawings BC -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Classic Computer Rescue List URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ Name: Classic Computer ListOp URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/

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Finding and Caring for PDP's or VAX's

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, For quite some time I've been pondering getting either a PDP or a VAX, I'm wondering about a few things. First and formost would be how does one go about finding one :^) and what kind of price can I expect? Also, what would space and power requirements be? Yes, I'm aware they vary in size from tiny little things, up to systems that require a full sized computer floor. I'm thinking a system that would fit in a garage as far a size goes. Also what would be a good source to familiarize myself with the various models as I embark upon my latest quest? Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Multiple Topics...

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:51:45 -0500 (CDT), Brett wrote this: > http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp ^^^^^^^^ Why do I always parse this as "halitosis"? :-) ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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Anyone ever?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Anyone ever run STiK on an ATARI ST? I have it up and it works, but I can't seem to get a DNS resolution, If i manually put in IP's its works and connects, say to IRC. But I can't get it to resolve names against IP's I have the entries in Default.cfg that the docs SAY that works, but it dosn't appear to. Line is NAMESERVER x.x.x.x and NAMESERVER0 x.x.x.x obviously, in my configuration I have the ip's for our nameservers.

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Wait! Crossed cable! It booted, it booted!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

It booted! It's up! I have no idea what to do! And it IS RSTS/E!

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Old arcade game?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:50 PM 8/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >flakes all over it from that age. Anyway, it was simply a black and white >game in which you control a motorcycle (a white dot or line) down the >road, again white lines, and try not to die. A very simple game. I also There was a game called "Night Driver" that was similar. It too was simple graphically, with a pair of dotted(?) lines scrolling downward to indicate the edge of the road. It would bend right and left -- curves -- and you had to steer between them. Had a real steering wheel and an accellerator pedal, possibly a high-low gear shift as well. I know there was a sit-down model, there may have been a stand-up version as well. It was incredibly simple, especially compared to some of the high-end, need-a-pentium-and-3d-video-card games out today, but it was actually a lot of fun. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Multiple Topics...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Getting _new_ 8" drives is next-to-impossible < <No, not really. I just call up California Digital (310-217-0500, <or look at http://www.cadigital.com/) and FedEx brings the drives There is that. Myself I only have two sets of 8" to worry about one sa800 on the cp/m crate (rarely used and that drive is generally powered off) and my RX02s. Around here 02s are easy to find and I have spares for everything on it. I also hardly use that, noisy, I have hard drives, rx50 and rx33 as well. It's there for compatability. Nearly every system I have has been migrated toward 3.5" drives or up scaled 5.25s where possible. Exceptions are the Vt180 where compatability is required and the odd 360k floating around. The PDP-11 and vax DEC hardware it's not a choice for the most part and I keep them compatable. Three goals are accomplished, single 3.5" media, more storage than 8 or 5" formats and power down with media in place is not problematic. All 3.5" PC/PS2 compatable drives have write interlock on power fail. One unique thing I've done is to embed two PS2 720k 3.5" floppies inside a kaypro as 782k hard disks. They are drives A: and B:. They have power fail but, their bezels are specific to the IBM case. They can be found real cheap as a result and are a deal. Using Advent turborom in the 5.25/96tpi mode puts 781k on them. By putting them on a bracket inside the case they are captive and amount to a slow small hard disk from the user side. For CP/M use 1.5m of on line storage not including the 3.5<782k> and 360k 5.25 on the front pannel makes for a fairly roomy system. That system has a 2meg ramdisk so it can boot and copy the floppies to ramdisk for speed. Advantages include if the media fails pop the cover and put in a new disk and it's less likely to crash the disk if dropped. The only other storage I keep around is the TU58 dectapeII as it's serial and can be plugged into anything that can do RS232/423. At 256k a cart its not big or fast. What I'd like to find out how to do is use the floppy interfaced tapes for non-PC systems. These drives in the smaller storage sizes can be found cheap and even new ones aren't too expensive. Allison

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Darn! Darn darn darn! RA81 problems continue: No O/S?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I plugged everything up, and fired her up. b du and b du0 hit the harddisk for a second, then it returns to the ODT prompt. Does this mean no O/S?

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9-track tape drive: What is this?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> writes: > [IEEE488/centronics/whatever connectors] > >From the HP-97S user manual (I have one on loan for a demonstration in a > few weeks...) > > 'Your peripheral device is connected to the HP-97S interface with a > standard 25-pair telephone connector (Amphenol 57-30500 or equivalent)' Ah. Yes, we used to call the 50-pin version a telephone or telco connector because, well, that's where we used to find most of them: going to a 5-line office phone, or on the side of a punch-block. But HP-IB and Centronics printer connectors didn't have enough pins to be called telco connectors. Besides, HP-IB used bigger, stackable screws, and Centronics printer connectors had those ears. It wasn't 'til I saw the 50-pin Centronicsish SCSI connector that I started to get confused. -Frank McConnell

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PDP11/15

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Since no-one seems to have answered this, I shall put my bit in. I am no PDP expert, though. > After all the discussion here recently about collecting PDP11's I have > located one which I intend negotiating for. I haven't actually seen it yet. > > It is a PDP11/15, a model number that I haven't seem mentioned. Is there a > listing somewhere on the web that describes the various models as there is > for PDP8's ? The 11/15 and 11/20 were two variants of the original PDP11 CPU, which came out in 1970 (I think). The processor itself may have been called the KA11, but I am not sure of this. The difference between them was system configuration, AFAIK. > This one apparently dates from about 1970, and is probably incomplete. > There was talk of a rack, the PDP11/15 itself, some RKO5 disk drives and > some boxes labelled PDP11/10 which may be other computers. There is no > other IO device other than front panel switches. PDP 11/10 is usually an 11/05 variant (again the difference is configuration of the system), dating from c. 1974 (and full of TTL - 74XX device codes and 74XX date codes can be very confusing). But I have heard rumours of an 11/15 variant of that name. No doubt Allison, Tim or Tony will tell you all about this. One day I shall get my 11/10 working... > Could this equipment be used with a more recent terminal? I have no chance > of finding a card reader or teletype but have access to several VT220's. AFAIK it will require a current loop interface. Some quite late terminals had this feature - I use something called a Westward Graphics Terminal. Philip.

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8" disk alignment

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

> Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> said: >5.25" and 3.5" alignment disks are still available (but expect to pay $100 >a time...). I can't find 3" (Amstrad, etc) or 8" alignment disks anywhere, >alas... I don't know if anyone's responded to this yet. (I'm behind in my mail again). But you might try Accurite Technologies Inc. here in the bay area. They're at http://www.accurite.com When I talked to them about a year ago, they said they believe that they are the only ones in the world still making 8" alignment disks. They sell both 8" analog alignment diskettes and 8" digital diagnostic diskettes. Don't quote me on this but, I seem to remember them saying that the 8" diskettes were $65 each. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

28 years, 8 months

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RA81 problem found!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Ha! Got it! The drive READY light had one of the little posts broken off, that's why it never booted! It was drive 1! But I have to wait till I'm off the clock & my boss leaves before I can test the theory...

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Computers (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > Switch 1-2 tells it (both PC and XT) about the presence of the coproces <> > (I do, btw, have an 8087 in my collection...only one I've ever seen! Ev <> > rarer was the 8088 to 386 SX-16 upgrade board...the world's s-l-o-w-e-s <> > 386.) <> <> K00L. How long does it take to install Linux using that? :-)} I have an xt class machine with an inboard386 and linux is not possible as it only has 1meg of ram and the expansion is off the inboard. FYI the inboard386 was an 386SX/16 compared the the v20 at 4.77mhz it's fast! Allison

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hhc eproms (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

Here's something from our friend Mike. Please send all replies to him. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com To: dastar(a)crl.com Subject: hhc eproms Sam, I didn't hear from you before so can you let me know if there is going to be any need for HHC eproms? I am sitting on approx. 5000 of them which I have received a salvage offer of $1.25/lb for and I'm probably going to take,but I don't want to put anyone in a position where they are requested but now not available like before with the HHC's.So I would appreciate you letting me know. Thanks Mike

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Computers (fwd)

by manney＠nwohio.com

> > > For Switch #1: > > For Switch #2 (some obscure combos not typed in) > > It seems to me that one of the sacred switches will put the machine into > an endless loop of reboots - just after the self tests, etc., the machine > would boot again. > > I did not know about this, and had a machine that had this "problem". A > trip to the library solved it. You guys may be talking about Switch 1-1 -- which, for an XT, will do this. Switch 1-2 tells it (both PC and XT) about the presence of the coprocessor. (I do, btw, have an 8087 in my collection...only one I've ever seen! Even rarer was the 8088 to 386 SX-16 upgrade board...the world's s-l-o-w-e-s-t 386.) I'd like to add an 8086 motherboard to my collection...anyone have one?

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Tandy Model I Problems

by rcini＠msn.com

Well, today I decided to repair the power supply on the Percom floppy that I have for my pair of Model I's. Then, I decided to see if a complete keyboard-EI-floppy setup worked. Therein lies the problem... It seems like each CPU (a 4k and a 16k Level II) won't recognize either EI (a Rev 0 and Rev 1). Both EI's have 32k of RAM. All that I get on the screen is garbage. I'm turing the EI on first, then the CPU. I've also tried two types of EI cables, one buffered and one not. I can tell which cable goes to which EI because the floppy drive will initialize only with the right combo. It sounds like I have two bad EI's, but the thing that throws me is that the floppy interface performs a floppy reset. Does anyone have any clue?? Also, how does one refer to the floppy drive in a BASIC statement? For example, if I want to load a program, do I type LOAD "0:test.bas"? I have no manuals for these machines, and it's been a loooong time since I used one of these. Also, on an unrelated note, the Altair scans are in, but I'm waiting for Bill Whitson's address so that I can Fedex a tape to him. Does anyone have it?? Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com>

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FW: Tape drives available

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

If any of you have need of a very decent 525 MB SCSI tape drive, check with this fellow. This is an excellent price for what he describes, though he does not appear to be aware that DC6525 tapes exist. ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I have the following for sale: Archive Viper 2525 25583 Rev 002 SCSI tape backup units. Comes in external enclosure with Unisys Tape Streamer marked on it. Uses DC-6150 (150 MB uncompressed) and DC-6250 (250 MB uncompressed) tapes. Tested with Novastor Tape Backup and Cheyenne Tape Backup and Seagate Backup Exec. Novastor has software compression to double capacity. Works great. The unit has a SCSI selector switch and two large 50 pin SCSI connectors on back of unit. $50 + shipping. Thanks, James (jevans2(a)sisna.com) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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7-pin VIC PS Connector

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Is the 7-pin power connector on certain VIC-20's the same as the power supply on the C64?? I just got a couple VIC's of this type with no power supplies. TIA! +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | <rcini(a)msn.com> +============================================+

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9-track tape drive: What is this?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Daniel A. Seagraves" <dseagrav(a)bsdserver.tek-star.net> writes: > The front panel on the box says: > HP 1000 A900 > HEWLETT PACKARD. Fairly late-model HP 1000, replaced by the A990 in 1991 I think. I don't know that much about them but think they are descended from the HP 2100 and 21MX processors used in earlier 1000s (and would like to find out more, so corrections are invited). What are the first four digits of the serial number? That will give you some idea of its age; first two digits are probably year less 1960, next two digits are week-of-year. > It says "hp 7970E" It is a 1600 BPI 9-track drive. Is yours in a lo-boy cabinet with the supply and takeup hubs side-by-side, or in the tall cabinet with supply mounted above takeup? Mine is a lo-boy but I have used both. > Buttons a re LOAD, REWIND, ONLINE, RESET, 0, 1, 2, 3, OFF > Connector is a small printer-plug looking thing (Like the plug on your > printer, but smaller. Sounds like HP-IB all right. Note that not all 7970s are. > I do have a scratch tape, how does one get the tape into these? As Tony said, there should be a diagram that shows the tape path. Pop the lever in the center of the supply hub up, and slide your tape on. Leave the lever up for now; you will be pulling tape off the supply reel and if the hub were engaged you would have to turn it too. Pull the tape off the supply reel, threading it around the stationary post, then the tension arm, then the heads (lift the cover over the read/write head to thread the tape through), then the other tension arm, then the other stationary post, then onto the takeup reel. Hold the tape against the takeup reel -- stick your finger through the little hole -- and make a turn or two of the takeup reel to get the tape firmly held on the reel. Push the lever on the supply hub down to engage the supply reel. Now you can push LOAD to get the tape drive to scan for the load point. If it just keeps going and going then there is a problem with the light/sensor assembly. ONLINE puts the drive on-line. Won't work unless the tape is loaded. RESET is "stop what you're doing and take the drive offline". REWIND is "rewind to load point or 'til the tension arms lose tension because the tape came loose from the takeup reel". 0, 1, 2, 3, OFF switch the drive's unit number; OFF is effectively offline. Note that unit number may not have an obvious relation to the system's device name or number. I don't know much about RTE (the OS on the 1000s) but under MPE on classic 3000s it was a component of either the DRT number or the unit number, which were in turn referenced by the logical device number. > Any info is appreciated. Hope this helps, if you have more questions feel free to ask. -Frank McConnell

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Old arcade game?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

If you jumped buses, it was Atari Stunt Cycle (1976). Basically a clone of Atari Night Driver (http://www.pipeline.com/~jhardie/gallery/coinop/nightdrv.jpg), which I believe owns the title as the original "black & white dots" driving game. I don't recall what Atari's earlier entry (the first driving game) called Gran Trak looked like. Another well-known example was 280ZZZAP. Kai > ---------- > From: Cord Coslor > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 6:50 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Old arcade game? > > Does anyone happen to remember a very old 'arcade game' that foes > something like this. I remember playing this in an airport probably 10 > years ago, although the game must have been older. It was encased it a > type of stand-up motorcycle. I remember it as being red with those > sparkly > flakes all over it from that age. Anyway, it was simply a black and > white > game in which you control a motorcycle (a white dot or line) down the > road, again white lines, and try not to die. A very simple game. I > also > remember you only had to hit the coin slot to get it to play. > > Does anyone know what this was called or any other memories fo this? > > Thanks a ton, > > CORD > > //*=================================================================== > ==++ > || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, > NE || > || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu > 68421-0308 || > || Classic computer software and hardware collector > || > || Autograph collector > || > ++==================================================================== > =*// > >

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RESCUE NEEDED! Decent MicroVAXen in UK!!!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Heads up to our UK readers! Fellow's got a decent MicroVAX system that sounds like it would be free for the picking up. Heck, I'd pick it up if I were in the UK... If you can help, PLEASE get in contact with this fellow post-haste. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:57:09 +0100 To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org From: Robin Birch <robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk> Subject: uVAX 2 in uk X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03b <YSkKJATYm0AxAbv6xwlBrCeVCW> Sender: port-vax-owner(a)NetBSD.ORG Delivered-To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG Dear All, A week or so ago I advertised a uVAX 2 with 2*RA81, TK50, 8MByte, KDA50 offers please Nobody replied, does this mean that nobody wants it and I've got to throw it away or does some one want to give this box a home. Offers please, buyer collects. Robin Robin Birch robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk M1ASU Old computers and radios always welcome -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Computers (fwd)

by manney＠nwohio.com

Um...not quite. Please see my post. ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: RE: Computers (fwd) > Date: Monday, August 18, 1997 9:30 PM > > >From the handy "Programmer's PC Sourcebook" by Thom Hogan, Microsoft > Press, ISBN 1-55615-321-X: > > For Switch #1: > > Switch 1: number of drives, ON=drives installed, OFF=no drives (see > switch 7/8) > Switch 2: Not used, must be ON > Switch 3 & 4: Memory on system board > ON ON = 16K (PC1) or 64K (PC2) > OFF ON = 32K (PC1) or 128K (PC2) > ON OFF = 48K (PC1) or 192K (PC2) > OFF OFF = 64K (PC1) or 256K (PC2) > Switch 5 & 6: Display adapter > ON ON = no adapter > OFF ON = CGA 40 > ON OFF = CGA 80 > OFF OFF = MDA or >1 adapter > Switch 7 & 8: Floppy drives > ON ON = 1 drive > OFF ON = 2 drives > ON OFF = 3 drives > OFF OFF = 4 drives > > For Switch #2 (some obscure combos not typed in) > Switches 1-5: Memory Installed > ON ON ON ON ON = 16-64K (Switches 3 & 4 control total memory) > OFF ON ON ON = 96K (for this and below switches 3 & 4 should be OFF) > ON OFF ON ON ON = 128K > ON OFF OFF ON ON = 256K > ON ON ON OFF ON = 320K > ON OFF ON OFF ON = 384K > ON OFF OFF OFF ON = 512K > ON OFF ON ON OFF = 640K > Switches 6-8: Not Used, must be OFF (switch 7 reserved for 8087 on PC2) > > Kai

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Computers (fwd)

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Hi there. I noticed in your collection that you had an IBM PC; I'm > assuming it's a 5150. Do you have a manual for it that might list the > jumper and dip switch settings on the motherboard, and if so, could you > tell me what they are? Thanks. The 5150 (i.e. the PC) has 2 switchblocks on the motherboard. The one nearest the power supply Block 2) controls the amount of memory addressed: Mem Switch number (KB) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ------------------------------------- 16 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 32 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 48 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 64 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 96 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 128 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 160 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 192 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 224 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 256 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 288 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 320 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 352 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 384 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 416 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 448 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 480 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 512 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 544 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 576 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 608 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 640 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0=Off 1=On Switch block 1 is farther from the power supply Switch 1 -- PC -- 0=Boot from Floppy 1=Do not boot from floppy XT -- 0=Normal POST (power On Self Test) 1=Continuous POST (i.e., won't boot) Switch 2 -- 0=Math coprocessor installed 1=Math coprocessor not installed Switches 3-4 -- Filled memory banks (on motherboard) 0 0 =All 4 banks 1 0 = Banks 0, 1, and 2 0 1 = Banks 0 and 1 1 1 = Bank 0 only Switches 5-6 -- Video Adapter 0 0 = Monochrome (MDA) or Hercules with no onboard BIOS 0 1 = Color (CGA) 40 chars x 25 lines 1 0 = CGA 80 chars x 25 lines 1 1 = Video Adapter w/ onboard BIOS Note that the PC will support a monochrome adapter at the same time as another type. Switches 7-8 -- Floppy Drives 1 1 = 1 Floppy Drive 0 1 = 2 FDD 1 0 = 3 FDD 0 0 = 4 FDD Hard drive is taken care of by the adapter card. Please e-mail me with any other questions. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Pertec cabling

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

I can't speak for the 7970, but I can tell you that Pertec formatted connections are usually a pair of 50-pin (25 to each side) PC edge paddles. I've seen a few (very few!) devices, specifically an old Unibus tape controller, where one connection was a Berg 50-pin header and the other was an edge paddle. From your description, it sounds as though the drive may not have its own formatter built in, outside of the HPIB interface section. I could, however, be mistaken (read: I'd need to see the drive). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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uVAX 2 in uk

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Cross posted without permission but considering all... Please can a UK person rescue this? That is a very nice MV-II system. <Delivered-To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG <Status: R < <Dear All, <A week or so ago I advertised a uVAX 2 with 2*RA81, TK50, 8MByte, KDA50 <offers please < <Nobody replied, does this mean that nobody wants it and I've got to <throw it away or does some one want to give this box a home. < <Offers please, buyer collects. < <Robin <Robin Birch robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk < <M1ASU Old computers and radios always welcome <

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DEC DOC LESS

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<find enough boards to get an H-11 up and running. <I was wondering if any of the DEC experts out <there could identify the purpose for any of these <boards.(Names come from whats written on each board) <They all appear to be Q bus. < < M7940 or M7946 RXV11 LSI 11 Interface (Half width) RX01 floppy controller for q-bus (includes h-11). You would need the RX01 disk sustem to match it. < M8340 Decoder and Step Counter (Full width) < M8341 Multiplexers and Timing Generator (Full width) < < These two boards are linked togather with a <connector across the top of the boards. KE-8E extended arithmetic element for PDP-8E < M8639 RDRX Disk Controller (Full width) AKA RQDX2, this is a Qbus (also h-11)hard disk and floppy controller that supports st506,st412,st225, st251,q540 and RX53(1325) mfm hard disks and RX50 dec floppy. It's connector goes via a50 pin cable to a M9058 signal distribuition board and from there to the disks. The rx50 is a double density single sided 96tpi drive unique to DEC. The storage is about 409k per spindle (there are two). It is the only floppy that the RQDX firmwhere knows. You may be able to fake it into using one side of a 1.2m 5.25 floppy strapped to spin at 300rpm. < M7957 Asyn Mux (Full width) Qbus DZV-11 multi port serial IO. < M4002 ? (Half width) Qbus KW-11c programmable real time clock. < M8189 KDF 11-B (Full width) PDP-11/23B ++++ while this may work in a H11 box it will nto support q22 unless the backplane has had the lines wired in (h-11 was Q-16). This is the most common Q-22 (Qbus 22bit addressing) PDP-11 cpu and is a good performer. It has two DL compatable serial ports (console and user) along with a generic boot and ODT console. The standard chip complment is the CPU (two surfacemount chips on it) and MMU. Optional were the CIS Commercial Instruction Set, FIS floating point Instruction Set and the FPP-11 that implments the FIS-11 in hardware. < M8043 ? (Half width) Q-bus DLV-11j 4 DL serial ports on one card. < I have the processor board covered. I have about half <a dozen M7264 LSI-11 processor boards. Basic LSI-11/2 < But, I could also use a list of commands for the resident <monitor. Damn, I can't even remember what it's called. ODT, they are fairly simple: @00000G <start execution at 00000 @00000/ 12345 <display contents of location (00000) the linefeed key will cause the next location to be opend and the contents displayed @00000/ 12345 <lf> @00001/ 02010 <cr> @ Entering data.... @00000/ 12345 001040 open a location, it's contents are displayed, enter new contents, CR to close or LF key to advance to next. @P when typed at the @ (monitor prompt) the cpu will continue execution at the current address (assuming there were no errors to cause a monitor trap). $ or R Open a register for display or change. $S or RS opens the processor status register. This should help. Allison

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DEC DOC LESS

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I dug these boards out of a closet last night to find enough boards to get an H-11 up and running. I was wondering if any of the DEC experts out there could identify the purpose for any of these boards.(Names come from whats written on each board) They all appear to be Q bus. M7940 or M7946 RXV11 LSI 11 Interface (Half width) I may have written down the wrong board number here. This, I'm 90% sure is the serial interface board I'll need to connect a terminal to the system. At least it looks like one I had on my LSI-11 many moons ago. If it is, I sure could use the pin-out for the connector and baud rate settings. M8340 Decoder and Step Counter (Full width) M8341 Multiplexers and Timing Generator (Full width) These two boards are linked togather with a connector across the top of the boards. M8639 RDRX Disk Controller (Full width) Is this a hard drive or floppy controller and if its a floppy controller, is it single or double density? M7957 Asyn Mux (Full width) M4002 ? (Half width) M8189 KDF 11-B (Full width) This appears to be a processor board with only 3 of the 5 sockets filled. M8043 ? (Half width) I have the processor board covered. I have about half a dozen M7264 LSI-11 processor boards. But, I could also use a list of commands for the resident monitor. Damn, I can't even remember what it's called. Thanks for any help, ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer (PSX and Saturn video games) Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Harris flyback transformers for H192 terminals:FS

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

My boss is getting rid of a bunch of these. New and used. $35 apiece new, the used ones are $10. He's trying to clean out the back room. Can anyone use these? We have around 50 new, and 500 used ones.

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Chip

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Found a chip in my mailbox today: Z8400AB1 Is this the Z80 CPU? Not sure who put it there... Doesn't look toasted... No bent pins... It may be good! Does it have any useful purpose by itself?

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PDP-8 docs

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Yes , I giggled thru the rest of the ng posts, many of which are <unintelligable to me. I keep hoping that enlightenment will <miraculously happen. I have been monitoring this ng for a while <and picking up snippets of info. It occurred to me that the <PDP8/e/f/m maintenance manual (vol 1 } that I had acquired and <kept since my course on dig. electronics in 83 because it had a <beautiful description of the fetch sequence in processors might be <of value in this group. If it's quite available "nevermind" that is an interesting doc. While it may have been common at one time may simply were tossed making them scarce (or still on a shelf somewhere). I'd be interested as I still like hacking with PDP-8s. Allison

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Tandy Model I Problems

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

Rich, Hmmm... let's see if I understand you correctly. You have a TRS-80 Model I with EI and floppy drive and when you turn the system on, the screen fills with random garbage? I have one sitting here in my office and that appears to be normal behavior if there is no bootable disk in drive 0 when the computer is turned on or reset. Try holding down the BREAK key and hitting reset button to enter ROM BASIC. As I recall, if the EI is connected then the system checks the BREAK key and jumps to BASIC if it's pressed, otherwise it reads the first sector >from the disk and executes it. All this happens before video RAM is initialized so the screen is filled with trash. Hope this helps, - Doug

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9-track tape drive: What is this?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 11:18 AM 8/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Now you can push LOAD to get the tape drive to scan for the load >point. If it just keeps going and going then there is a problem with >the light/sensor assembly. It could also mean that you wound the tape onto the take-up reel past the load point, or that the tape didn't have one (i.e., it was cut/broken off.) Try re-loading the tape, after checking for the load point thingy (a little silver piece of something on the tape.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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9-track tape drive: What is this?

by 107765.1161＠compuserve.com

Message text written by INTERNET:classiccmp@u.washington.edu >BTW, what's the correct name for that series of connectors? We tend to call them 'Amphenol Connectors' in the UK (while realising that Amphenol make a wide range of different connectors). I've also seen them called 'Centronics Connectors' (after the common use for the 36 pin one I guess), IEEE (or IEEE-488) connectors (after the common use for the 24 pin one) and 'Telco Connectors'. I think the last is what HP call them.< They are generically called "Centronics connectors" in the U.S., being 36 pin, 24 pin, or whatever. The HP connectors are called IEEE-488, since that is the standard they follow; never heard them called "Telco connectors" by HP or anyone else. Gil Parrish

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Apple?

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I purchased a batch of old micros which included 3 Apples, 1 ][E and two that are not identified. The motherboards are longer than on the "E" and extend under the keyboard. The keyboard has a white key labled upr and lwr case, pwr. in the lower left corner, and the rear of the case has U shaped cutouts instead of the type of openings on the "E" and "+". I havent been able to find "Apple" on the case or motherboard but the power supply seems identical to that in the "E" and "+". Can anyone suggest what I have? Thanks Charlie Fox

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video games

by dhq＠juno.com

While scouring the garage sales this weekend I found 2 old video games, an Atari Pong and a Magnavox Odyssey. They both work, and I could NOT pass them up at the sellers asking price! Hopefully someone else collects these older games. If anybody knows of a list or web site I would appreciate the info. P.S. My T/S 1000 hasn't been sold yet, I guess it is not yet a collectors piece. Regard, David Quackenbush dhq(a)juno.com

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9-track drive: What is it?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Re: the 9-track thread on the HP 7970: Mention has been made that it seems to have an HPIB interface. I ran into the same thing with an HP7974 drive that I acquired from Teltone here in Washington state. However, I also found that the HPIB interface consisted of a removable cage with three cards and its own power supply. Once this subassembly was removed, the drive itself appeared to be a standard Pertec interface. I have yet to actually try it, but a pair of 50-pin card-edge connections sure look like Pertec to me. I will let the group know once I get a chance to actually try it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Drive Alignment (was: Multiple Topics...)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:55 AM 8/19/97 +0000, you wrote: > drive alignment for various disk drives (not even close to ready yet). Something to mention is to make copies of disks created on drives you plan to realign before realigning them. That is, if drive A is out of alignment and disk A was created on Drive A, make a copy of disk A (in drive A) onto disk B in Drive B (where drive B is a known, well aligned drive.) Otherwise, when you get all your drives working fine, you won't be able to read any of the disks created when they were out of whack. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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What's an M7165?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Does anyone else find this hilariously funny? > ---------- > From: Tim Shoppa > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 5:29 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: What's an M7165? > > > What's an M7165? > > One half of a KDA50. The other half is a M7164. > > Tim. >

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