That's too bad, Id love to get ahold of some software, just a boot disk is
boring.....
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> From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: TRS-80 model 4
> Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:12 AM
>
> Well, I was startled last night.
>
> I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked
into
> one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and
> there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set
up
> with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use.
Unfortunately
> my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about
them.
>
> __________________________________________
> Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
> http://www.chac.org/index.html
> Computer History Association of California
>
At 03:17 PM 9/24/97 -0600, you wrote:
>lifetime! Once it gets to this point, it will cease to be a 'fun'
>hobby, and will turn into a commercialized, over-marketed
>'investment vehicle'. Coin & Stamp collecting, Baseball cards, and
Not all coin collecting is like that. Certainly, modern US (with the
grading services and all) is like that, but there are still many areas of
numismatics that are still open to hobbiests. Large cents, Fugio Cents (my
personal favorite), colonials, canadian, a lot of foreign, tokens, and so on
still offer lots of opportunity for learning, research, and fun, without
being so sanitary and heartless as a lot of such hobbies.
Important note: Buy the book before you buy the coin. Know what you are
doing, or you *will* get burned. (There's a company ala QVC that sells
coins on TV at night -- Things like 3 Susan B. Anthony dollars for $10, when
you can go to the post office and get the exact same thing for $3.)
I think that even if the collecting of original PC's and Imsai's and such
becomes too mainstream, there will still be plenty for the rest of us.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Well, I was startled last night.
I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked into
one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and
there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set up
with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use. Unfortunately
my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about them.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<Was any machine (most likely mainframe class) ever built using F100K ECL
<(the super fast stuff - even today)? The family is small but well thought
<out, and includes some rather bizarre functions.
I'm not certain but it may be in the VAX9000 series. It was all ECL and
the ecl was built up into special modules to control heat and compact the
circuitry (for less wire). It was a fast machine but costly to build and
would get real upset if the cooling failed..
Allison
At 20:07 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and
>park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered
>Land Rovers? 8^)
It means hearing a lot of people say "Hey, Roger! I see you got it running
again!" ;-)
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<I also do a considerable amount of electronic design, so have a lot of
<the common stuff (TTL, signal transistors, op-amps, passives, etc) for that
I'm an engineer and do a lot of selfbuilt as well and the only way is to
have what I call the bottomless junkbox. I mean I have about 10+ xerox
paper boxes (holds 10 reams of A4 paper) full of old boards and loose parts.
and another 10-20 divided covered trays of parts many new (in 1979!) though
old as when I bought I'd get 10 as they were cheap even if I only needed
one. Even expensive chips I'd get two to have a spare.
I'm not fussy about replacing a 1977 datecode with 1990 as repairs are
simply that. Keep in mind function is my goal.
Allison
At 02:38 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree. It's also interesting to read between the lines of this thread
>and note that some people would definately be the type to do "concours"
>restorations. (Personally, I draw the line at worrying about the color of
>the ribbon cables.)
What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and
park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered
Land Rovers? 8^)
Personally, I like computers in as new condition as possible, but I'm not
fanatically about it, and Upgrades/expansions don't matter much to me. I
actually like used machines because they have a history behind them.
Someone used them, and maybe they added a bigger hard disk or a better video
card.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 04:44 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an
>old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it
>will fetch a pretty penny.
I did a search at Amazon.Com for "Atari" and was surprised to see quite a
few 8-bit games and programs show up, and with prices like $50. I think
they were pretty much all labeled "Special Order", but they were listed...
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Miscellaneous Computer-related shows have been mentioned (Whiz Kids, Knight
Rider, Riptide, Automan, etc.) but have y'all seen a show called Reboot?
It's animated, and shown (generally, I think) saturday mornings on ABC
(Again, I think). It takes place inside a computer and the good guys are
always battling the evil virii, and such. All the characters are
computer-related terms/objects.
It's definitely worth watching at least once. (I was turned onto it in
Ottawa, Canada, so I know it gets around somewhat.) Of course, there's no
David Hassellhoff...
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
An opportunity for someone in the Detroit area:
>From: "eaml" <eaml(a)ix.netcom.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
>Subject: Vax equipment freely available
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:48:22 -0400
>
>We currently have the following equipment freely available to anyone
>interested:
>
>MicroVAX II
>Letter Writer 100
>VT240(broken)
>
>
>There is no warranty or maintenance on this equipment.This is a donation to
>the VMS community.
>The only thing we ask is that you pick it up from our premises at:
>
>
>Gallagher Kaiser Corp.
>13710 Mt Elliott
>Detroit MI 48212
>Phone (313) 368-3100
>
>Fax (313) 368-0415
>
>Attn: Emilio Moreno Ext. #123
>
---
Replys/inquirys to the address shown in the message. I'm just forwarding
this along!
-jim
---
jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
Hi,
I've got an Apple-I that I'm going to take out of a box in the attic and
try to set back up for showing/playing.
I've seen several postings about what components "should" or "shouldn't"
be in a vintage system. What's the feeling on replacing TTL chips, voltage
regulators, etc? Should I scour the land to find "vintage" parts or can I
buy stuff from regular electronics stores? (I don't actually KNOW that I
need to replace anything yet, just asking)
On a similar note: The Apple-I was a kit. Mine's just a bare board mounted
inside a plain aluminum box. Was there ever a case made for these? Or did
everyone just do what the guy who put mine together did?
One last question:
The Apple-I has on-board voltage regulators, diodes etc. to be used with a
Do-it-yourself transformer setup. Can I just bypass all that and use a
power supply from a PC with leads connected to the regulated side of
things? The board uses the ususal +/-5V and +/-12V if I remember
correctly...
Thanks for any tips,
Bjorn Eng
AS a result of finding a tandy 1000 I also aquired (in said tandy) a
Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar-128.
What it is that I know of. It is a 128k apple][ board that resides in
a XT PC and can use the PC disks or external apple compatable disks
to run apple OS and programs. I have the borad and very thin installation
manual for it. it however is totally lacking in software. What makes it
interesting is there are two 65sc02p-1s on it. Any further data or software
for it would be of interest.
Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically
6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
instruction set.
Allison
> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
> > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically
> > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
> > instruction set.
>
There was some discussion on chip differences recently in the Apple II
newsgroups so you may pick it up using something like DejaNews. The
65SC02 was apparently also used in the Franklin Ace 2200, an Apple
IIe-ish clone, and some games allegedly did not like the fact that it
wasn't a 65C02.
Phil
**************************************************************
Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport
University of Leicester
Tel (0)116 252-2231
E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk
Speaking of Ko0ky apple stuff, I got an Appletalk PC card. M2050. I have
the box and card and docs. Anyone have the darn software? What can this
thing do? I also got a complete TOPS set, with two isa cards and farralon
jacks.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: apple][ PC bus card
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:38 AM
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
> > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's
basically
> > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
> > instruction set.
>
> The 65C02 runs slightly faster than the 6502 (1.1Mhz vs 1Mhz?) as well as
> having an expanded instruction set. I never got into using any 65C02
> instructions so I don't know what they'd be. Mostly it expanded the
> addressing modes of some existing operations as well as adding some
> addressing modes to instructions which didn't have any before (I think).
> I'm not the person to ask I guess :)
>
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
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>
> Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
> See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
it used to be historical(a)aol.com i checked the member profile for that name
but it doesnt mention anything about a historical computer society though.
you might want to email him directly and find out for sure.
In a message dated 97-09-24 20:22:07 EDT, you write:
<< If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for
their magazine and never got one issue.
At 07:12 PM 9/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going?
>If it is, how can I get in touch with them?
>
>Ken Harbit
>krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com >>
The previous message contained my employee's name and adress (WRONG), sorry.
>At 13.44 23/09/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>You have to keep in mind though, that this Thrift Store stuff is
>>strictly "as-is". If it dosen't work, or if it's flakey, tough luck
>>guy, you bought it.
>Ah, ok if it is "as is" (that here clearly mean "it's broken") 10 $ or
less are ok.
>
>
>>Having been burned numerous times by paying too
>>much for junk that flat out didn't work, I have resolved NEVER to pay
>>more than $10 for disk drives (of any sort).
>I FULLY AGREE (and been burned too).
>
>>
>>You know somebody who would pay $60 for a USED 1541? Hm, I wonder how
>>hard it is to get past Italian Customs . . .
>Yes, this is the real trouble.
>It depends how "expert" is the man in charge to controll stuff.
>If he recognize the stuff as used and "out-of-fashion" he will probably be
human; otherwise it will cost
>as gold.
Riccardo
Found this on the web today, don't know where he is located but whoever
is in that area might like to make contact with him....
> Attention: We are interested in purchasing your obsolete electronic
> equipment and other expendable assets. Since 1984, SGS Computer
> Corporation has been designing custom programs for those assets that no
> longer have value to your organization. We buy PC?s to mainframes,
> circuit boards to test equipment. We can pay on a per pound basis when
> approximate. We can remarket your items whenever possible for
> additional revenue.
>
> We take it all!! We don?t cherry pick. (Larger quantities are
> encouraged)
>
> Ask for: Joe Grimm
> SGS Computer Corporation
> www.sgsasset.com
> e-mail sgsasset(a)apk.net
> Call 800-348-1946 Fax (440) 786-8107
Regards,
Hans
Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here, VIC-20/C64/C128
hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire
Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away --
literally.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .
>
> Guys:
>
> I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have
> been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck
> the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this
> place was . . . .
>
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<---------------
>
At 18:00 12/31/70 -0500, you wrote:
>If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for
>their magazine and never got one issue.
Their last issue was #9 and I think it came out about eighteen months ago.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
Hi folks,
All this talk of dirt cheap computers in thrift shops is making my mouth
water! ;)
Anyone know of any good stores in the Los Angeles area? (Or is that like
asking a cook for a secret recipe?).
Thanks,
Bjorn Eng
> On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
>
> > I could use some advice here...
> >
> > I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that
> I've
> > collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are
> really
> > worth keeping, such as:
> >
> > 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC)
>
1200 bps modems are unlikely to ever be collectible. 300 baud acoustic
coupled are worth keeping, plus the first Hayes SmartModem.
> > CGA cards
>
Actual IBM CGA cards are a must-keep.
> > Hercules and MDA mono cards
>
Original Hercules brand cards (as opposed to compatible) and IBM
Monochrome Display Adapter cards are also must-keeps.
> > Generic XT floppy controllers
>
Genuine IBM floppy controllers should be saved.
Kai
> Then on a
> very different level, there's the market for original distribution
> software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan,
> etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150.
This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an
old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it
will fetch a pretty penny.
--
Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
EXCELLENT!
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From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:02PM
At 09:48 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
Atari Portfolio (with the rare ATM interface kit (aka, the Tramiel
special))
8^)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Yes it was the Portfolio!
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From: Anthony Clifton
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:59PM
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
It was a little Atari palmtop I believe.
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
At 14:38 9/24/97 -0400, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
>It makes one wonder whether there will someday be a market for
>reproductions of computer manuals, FCC stickers, etc. the same way that
>such a market exists in the automobile collecting world.
Well, there's already such a thing. First of all, look at the market for
"work docs," Xerox copies of manuals that people need to get things going.
I admit that these usually change hands for $5 to $10 or the cost of
copying, whichever is higher, but the commerce is flourishing. Then on a
very different level, there's the market for original distribution
software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan,
etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150.
I cannot prove, but I would bet, that there are already "forgeries" of
things like Apple I cassette BASIC and Micro-Soft black paper tapes.
And....what price an original set of Apple I manuals?
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
> > There are a few IBM cards that I've never seen and would love to get. Top
> > of my list is a PGC (professional graphics controller) - a 2 board set
> > that contained an 8088-based graphics accellerator. It emulated a CGA card
>
> > (I think) but had extra modes as well. Another thing I would like is a
> > Data Aquisition and Control adapter.
>
> I acquired one of the PGA boards and I passed up an opportunity a couple of
> years ago to get the IBM monitor that went with it. BTW, I am assuming here
> that what you are referring to as PGC is the same thing I am referring to as
> PGA. I see them occasionally and will keep you in mind the next time I find
> one if you like.
AFAIK, PGA=PGC. IIRC, VGA pixel resolution by lots of colours.
When I was working for IBM, I installed a PGC for a customer; I helped
with demos involving PGC and DACA (Yes, another nice piece of kit) but I
never had a chance to acquire any of that stuff :-( :-( :-(
The PGC was three (Tony, am I right, or am I just imagining the middle
board?) boards bolted together, with the outer two going in adjacent
slots of an AT or XT motherboard. Wouldn't go on a 5-slot PC of course.
Now that would be a hack...
PGC came with a new sticker for the _back_ of your PC - now no longer a
class B but a class A computer according to FCC rules (which thankfully
don't apply in the UK, but things are getting worse with our
Electromagnetic Compatibility directive)
Philip.
Recently Sam remarked:
>A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to
>thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company
>listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". >Very
>cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that >sound
It may have been Fisher (I'll check at lunch today, but they were ex
IMSAI employees who set up in business after IMSAI's demise supporting
the old machines. Just read "Fire in the Valley" ;-)
>familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and
Hans
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Anthony Clifton said:
>In addition, I'd like to have episodes of Riptide on tape, which also
>featured a hacker as a main character along with a goofy robot. No
>Knight Rider thank you...intelligent cars just don't trip my trigger.
Sorry, tho I did like Riptide while it was on, Knight Rider is much better
of the two for me... Let's put this into perspective:
Riptide: Geeky guy who takes junk and builds robots with it to try to win
friendship with two macho PI's and almost never gets laid...
Knight Rider: Super-intelligent gorgeous _babe_ designs & builds ultimate
300mph _babe-magnet_ that can drive itself while you [circle one] (look
at)(chat with)(make whoopie with) _babes_, or play Intellivision if there
are no babes around...
;^> ;^>
It's the Sandra Bullock syndrome all over again.... but I like it!
(Tho I'll definately concede the point that 40-column Apple ][ basic
listings filled with nothing but PRINT statements is not what I'd consider
to give intelligence to a car... :-) Of course, how they got that Apple ][
to play Intellivision games was a technological wonder! ;-)
[the mind's not totally clear on the Intellivision point, but I'm sure it
was a commercially available video game system... It's been a while since
I've seen it]
Just MHO,
"Merch"
--
Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional
Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, William Donzelli wrote:
>
> > > > > 2895B Tape Punch #1632A03303 FACIT model 4070
> > > >
> > > > Yep, this is a badge-engineered Facit paper-tape punch.
> >
> > Mine came with some sort of rack mount kit that I have not been able to
> > comprehend yet. I think I am missing parts.
>
> There is a rackmount kit shown in the Facit 4070 service manual/parts
> catalogue (which I have). I can look up how that one goes together and
> post details.
>
> >From memory it consists of a frame that fits round the 4070 chassis (the
> 4070 sits with the reels on the right, and the reels themselves vertical.
> There are little friction pads at the bottom to prevent it sliding out,
> and clamp screws that go in from the top to hold it in place. The whole
> frame mounts in the rack in the usual way.
I have one of the HP rack mounts in my living room right now (on its way
to storage with the punch). Unfortunately I can't post pictures for
y'all but here is how it goes.
Basically it is a sliding shelf with a front, with a hole in the front
for the chad box to poke through. There's a little metal plate
screwed to the shelf near the front, as well as a couple of black plastic
circles toward the rear. Those are just guides to keep the punch
>from wiggling around too much as it punches.
There are also a couple of dividers screwed down and held apart
with standoffs toward the left of the shelf. At a guess these make a
handy place to store a few reels of paper tape for when you have to
refill the punch.
Finally there are screw-downs for a twisted pair of wires that go up
to a power light mounted in the front of the rack. Well, it's supposed
to be there, the lightbulb is missing on mine; I think it got mashed in
shipment.
The shelf needs to slide so you can get tape off the takeup reel (if
you don't just let it spill out the front), get at the punch's
controls and most of the tape path, and feed the punch. Oh, also note
that there is a little widget at center rear between the shelf and the
frame; this is to keep the shelf from sliding out due to vibration
>from the punch.
> I _believe_ there's a special (metal?) chad box and front lid on rackmount
> 4070's. Oh, and the writing on the control panel is turned through 90
> degrees so that it's readable when the unit is in the rack. All my 4070's
> are table-top models.
It isn't clear to me that my 2895 punch is any different from a table-top
unit. Smoked-plastic chad box, BTW.
> > My sense (i.e. ears) tell me that the power supply is a switching type,
> > probably one of the first for computers, an is probably a bear to fix. Of
> > course, all of the house numbered HP parts does not help either.
>
> Switching PSUs don't bother me. The HP seems to have a large 50/60Hz
> transformer, so the chopper is (I guess) on the low voltage side anyway
> (like on most PDP11s). That sort of supply is not that hard to fix _given
> schematics_. Heck, if I can get a Boschert 2-stage running again, I can
> handle just about anything :-)
OK OK OK. I am planning on pulling all my 2100 manuals out for y'all.
I can't do it just yet, though; there are other things ahead in the
queue. Maybe this weekend if I can get some other pieces into place.
Fair warning: I am a software kind of guy; I know what a schematic
looks like but you shouldn't count on much more. OTOH, I can work
a photocopier.
If y'all are interested in a little story about the 2100 power supply,
I suggest getting Analytical Engine 2.3 from CHAC's web/ftp site and
reading the interview with Barney Oliver. One spoiler: yes, it is a
switching power supply, and there was something patentable in its
design.
-Frank McConnell
did everyone else also notice that when the kids were at the bank hacking the
atm, as the pin numbers were scrolling down, it was making old mac disk drive
access sounds? =D
david
In a message dated 97-09-24 13:02:55 EDT, you write:
<< On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
It was a little Atari palmtop I believe.
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>>
Make all the words you utter soft and sweet, for you never know, which ones
you will someday have to eat. :)
----------
> From: Anthony Clifton <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: War Games
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:52 AM
>
>
>
> > > "Do you remember when you asked me to tell you when you were acting
> > > rudely and insensitively? Well, you're doing it right now." It
sounds
> > > EXACTLY like conversations between me and this skinny techno-dweeb I
work
> > > with.
> >
> > I wouldn't let guys like that work at my company.
>
> Er....two responses....
>
> Judge not lest ye be judged.
>
> ...and the thing about walking in another guy's footwear.
>
> Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>
Anybody that can help her out?
(What's a HP150 anyway?)
She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail her
directly.
Thanks!
LeS
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700
From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net>
To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
Subject: HP 150 II
My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has its
original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more
information on and applications for this computer?
Thanks,
Brigid Cumming
bcumming(a)island.net
Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
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From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 3:37AM
At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to
>operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different
>scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting
>on the monitor?
On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et
al
were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember
this
late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was
coming
out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff.
And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari
16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow
him
away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old
HP
7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2
came
out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer
drives? I don't think so!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 09:38 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but
>can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get.
The problem is that CRL (Sam's and My provider) has arbitrarily decided to
cut off incoming mail from various providers. Juno, Earthlink, probably
others. They claim it's because they want to stop spam, but not only do I
still get 10+ spams a day, but I get it with From: addresses that they've
supposedly blocked.
Meanwhile, my sister. friends, and clients cannot send me e-mail. Sam can
be reached at <vcf(a)siconic.com> and I can be reached at
<sinasohn(a)ricochet.net>. I dunno if Paul Coad has another e-mail address or
not (He's on CRL too.)
>>>> MAIL From:<ccm(a)sentex.net> SIZE=1961
><<< 550 Access denied
>554 <dastar(a)crl.com>... Service unavailable
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
The HP 150 is a (not) IBM compatible, circa 1985. It's an 8088 that
runs a wacky disk format with a correspondingly wacky OEM version of
MS-DOS. I have one of these machines, but don't have the DOS for it.
It'll run a small subset of early MS-DOS based software that doesn't
make any hardware accesses -- sort of the same situation as a DEC
Rainbow. There's a FAQ at
http://www.mdn.com/oksoftware/Computers/hp150faq.html.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Mr. Self Destruct[SMTP:more@camlaw.rutgers.edu]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 8:18 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: HP 150 II (fwd)
>
>
>
> Anybody that can help her out?
>
> (What's a HP150 anyway?)
>
> She is not a subscriber to this list so if you can help, please e-mail
> her
> directly.
>
> Thanks!
> LeS
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:57:51 -0700
> From: Brigid Cumming <bcumming(a)island.net>
> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU
> Subject: HP 150 II
>
> My husband brought home a touchscreen Hewlett Packard 150 II. He has
> its
> original manuals & it fires up fine. Could you help me find more
> information on and applications for this computer?
>
> Thanks,
> Brigid Cumming
> bcumming(a)island.net
>
Ok, I went out and rented _War Games_ because I'm a total nerd and wanted
to see David's IMSAI. I noticed a couple interesting things in the
movie. First, in one scene early on where david is sitting in front of
his computer, they show it head on, and you can see sitting on top of his
monitor his modem, which had on it "IMSAI 212A MODEM". Did IMSA, in
fact, manufacture a 1200 baud modem? He also had an IMSAI labeled keyboard!
A neat thing: at the end of the movie during the credits they get to
thanking those who provided technical assistance. The first company
listed is none other than "CompuPro Division, Godbout Electronics". Very
cool! Others listed were Televideo, Fischer-Freitas (why does that sound
familiar and did I get the Fischer part right?), Memorex, Qume, and about
10 others.
Anyway, pretty cool flick. It combines elements of hacking, phreaking
(where he grounds the microphone on the old ground-start payphone, a real
ball-sy scene since that was a real-life trick you could pull in those
days) and of course classic computers!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
I was walking past the scrap pile a few weeks back when I saw a large PCB
that appeared to be part of a DG Nova system. Digging a little further
produced another 3 boards, the cabinet/PSU (alas missing the fan), and
the frontpanel bezel. This identified the machine as a DG Nova 1210.
Since there are only 4 slots in the backplane, I think I have all the
cards. What I have is a Nova CPU board (with _1_ 74181 - did this machine
really have a 4 bit ALU?), a core memory board and 2 custom I/O boards
(missing a few TTL chips, but the locations are labeled with the 74xx
number, so that's no problem). I am missing the lights/switches board.
Does anyone know anything about this machine? I assume it's worth saving.
A schematic would be useful (or at least a description of the frontpanel
board and its interface), since then I could probably recreate the front
panel and get it running again.
-tony
>On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et
>al
>were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
>high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
While we're playing this, may I point out that in the control room of the
Red Dwarf is, in at least one episode, an original C64? I thought that,
being a BBC production, they should have at least use the BBC Micro. *grin*
Just think, one day some of our old computers will be used to control
starships a mile long.
Adam.
Hello again!
Some time ago I reported on an attic full of Sord computers that only
waited for someone to come along and grab them. I have now looked over
most of the attic (not all, mind you) and catalogued what I found. It is
an interesting list of 40 computers of 17 different types. Mostly Sord,
but also some PC compatibles. There is at least one Sord M680UX mini,
probably one or two more.
Sam and Kevan have already announced that they want several systems, so
there will be shipments going both to the US and the UK. The attic in
question is in Gothenburg, Sweden, but the more people join in, the
cheaper it will be. If you want a list of available stuff (also some
printers and a lot of manuals and software) let me know and I will send it
to you.
Next, I will try to determine what shipping would approximately cost.
/F
>> I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that I've
>> collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are really
>> worth keeping, such as:
>>
>> 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC)
>> CGA cards
>> Hercules and MDA mono cards
>> Generic XT floppy controllers
To put in my 2 cents' worth...
Up until last year, I sold XT's pretty regularly. This year, I sold two. I
*do* still see some acquired out there (last Sunday, I set up a PC for a
friend and her kids...she bought it for $9 at an auction) and many of my
customers still have the older stuff (good grief -- we still have a couple
Epson QX-10's around, in this hick town!)
Motherboards are gonna start going rapidly pretty soon, and
monitors...nobody makes CGA anymore that I know of...what user (versus
collector) is gonna replace a CGA with VGA on an XT? He'll junk the whole
thing, and buy a Packard Bell at Wal-Mart (and use it to play Solitaire.)
Worth keeping? I think so. Boards don't take up a whole lot of space, and
you're going to make a collector *very* happy some day. (I'd take your
boards, except that I've already got plenty.) But, it'll be a long time
before you sell them!
At 12:22 AM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and
Whups... You'd think I was on AOL... I forgot to change the TO: address.
Sorry!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 02:09 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>First, why use a 300 baud acoustic coupler (which strangely seems to
>operate at 300, 1200, 2400, 9600, 19200 and 38400 during different
>scenes) when you've got a perfectly good 1200 baud direct connect sitting
>on the monitor?
On a similar note, Anyone else notice that Messrs. Redford, Poitier, et al
were using an Atari 830 300bps Acoustic Coupler for their super-duper,
high-tech, bounce-around-the-world phone call to James Earl Jones?
And in True Stories, the talking heads guy (whose name I can't remember this
late at night) ran into the nerd from Varicor in the mall as he was coming
out of a store loaded down with 8-bit atari stuff.
And in Terminator 2, the scientist is working at his desk full of Atari
16-bit stuff (including at least a TT) when the kid's mom tries to blow him
away. When he does finally bite the big one, it's in a room full of old HP
7925 & 7933 disk drives -- Could it be coincidence that just before T2 came
out, HP was having a big promo to turn those in as trade-ins on newer
drives? I don't think so!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
On Tuesday, September 23, 1997 8:02 PM, Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm thoroughly enjoying being here and I just wanted to remind everybody
> that our history page, http://www.chac.org/chhistpg.html , is perennially
> in need of new links. As an example, we haven't found a single site yet
> that's devoted to classic laptops.
>
> I'd also appreciate any suggestion of a good win32 link-checking bot
> because this page has gotten far, far too voluminous to check by hand.
>
> Finally, thanks for all the Apple ][ material -- I'm still sifting through it.
Hi,
I have a small Home-Computer-Museum here in Germany you might want to link:
http://192.102.161.122/~walgen/index.html
At 19:12 9/23/97 +0000, Ken Harbit wrote:
>Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going?
>If it is, how can I get in touch with them?
Their address is 2962 Park Street, #1, Jacksonville FL 32205.
historical(a)aol.com was down for a while but I think it works again now.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<WOPR downloaded a Java aplet into his computer that the web browser
<continued to execute! C'mon, that one's easy!
Actually that was done back then. It was called callback security. you
would call in and give account and password if valid the machine would login
then log out and then call back to a prearranged number and you would log in
again. I used that for my vax to take advantage of the company phone lines
being cheaper out going to me that my calling them.
<> In the book, when David walks in while Jim Sting is underneath his desk,
<> he says "Hey Captain Crunch, I'm from Ma Bell and Boy is she pissed!"
<
<Nobody would've understood that reference. Nobody would today either.
As a former blue boxer and phone hack the pay phone in the dorm had a
diode hack so it didn't keep change. My trick on that was to hide the
diode in the company distribution box.
FYI: I was uing a cosmac elf to do the blue box in the late '70s by
spinning loops to make the tones and memory dial.
Allison
At 02:58 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>drive. If anyone knows where to get a cheap hard drive
>for a Compaq Contura 430 please let me know ;).
I dunno about Compaqs, but if it takes standard 2.5" hard drives, Fry's and
NCA (Silicon Valley, but possibly elsewhere) had been selling 500mb 2.5's
for under $100. I picked up a 2GB 2.5'er on AuctionWeb for $235 with
shipping (Seagate drive).
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Sam I've been trying to send message to you for over a week. I get yours but
can't reply. Here is a sample of what I get.
Still interested in helping and chatting about promotion. Hey you should do
a post-festival review on the web site and tell people you plan to do this
so they'll plan to return to the site after the event.
The original message was received at Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
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To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
Subject: Re: Yo!
Glad to hear from you too. I've been trying to contact you ever since you
asked for a informal poll about attendance figures. Your mail keeps bouncing
back...and then I'm having difficulty getting online now that school is
back...the number is incessantly BUSY. I was gonna pass my messages on to
you via the LIST, but couldn't even get online!
So I haven't even read this message, but in 9 hours I will respond - got to
go to work now.
The original message was received at Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
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To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
Subject: Re: update, poll & returned mail.
I'm am experiencing difficulty getting through to you. Still doing my part
and will chat soon.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT)
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To: dastar(a)crl.com
From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
Subject: VCF Poll
>The original message was received at Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:06:03 -0400 (EDT)
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>To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
>From: ccm(a)sentex.net (COMMPUTERSEUM/Kevin Stumpf)
>Subject: Re: VCF Update
>
>About the informal poll...hope for the best and expect the worst...jah, jah,
>but seriously folks you will probably not have enough attendance to break
>even. Then again I'm way off in my marketing suggestions, i.e. I recommended
>Computerworld and WSJ, but your market are the BBS'ers and a very local,
>personal clientele and that's precisely who you are approaching. Right on dude.
>
>There's my 2 cents.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
>
