- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I wonder what a "virtual terminal" is? I'm thinking that the "virtual terminals" are the workspaces. > Do you remember how they moved text between windows? Is it a cut and > paste operation like MS Windows? Um, no. As I recall it used the logging function. You set up the "to" device to be a workspace and then turn on log top or log bottom. E.g. if you turned on log bottom, then as each line was received it would be copied (by the terminal) over to the workspace set as "to" device, and if that workspace is attached to the other datacomm port then the line gets sent out that port. So I don't think you can cut-and-paste very easily, but you can set the thing up to do simple data logging. -Frank McConnell

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CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>>Is it some kind of "Super CGA" that wasn't really supported by anyo > > > > I know some game companies "tweaked" certain memory registers or so > > so that standard CGA could do 320x200x16 colors, but as far as I'm > > I never heard of 320 x 200 x 16 for the CGA - I seem to remember 160 > 200 x 16 - surely it would not have had the memory for the other? I have an ATI Graphics Solution board that does: 40x25 character 80x25 character 320x200 color graphics 640x200 color/graphics 600/200 b/w modes plantronics color/graphics ati 640x200x16 color graphics 640x200x4 color 320x200x16 color 132x25 color text mode IBM mono (MDA) Hercules graphics mode 132x25 mono 132x44 mono Off hand the 6845 could likely be programmed for other more odd modes. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<You talked about a system where the bus had to be arbitrated, that <wouldn't necessarily be needed if you went through SCSI, would it... I've done it with shared memory, SCSI, and most buses. SCSI worked well with AmproLBs. the physical medium does not determine what networking protocal is or can be used only the physical layer. So IP over scsi is doable as is DECNET in shared memory or simple async serial lines (DDCMP). Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Massively Classic System WAS(Re: Stupid bus tricks)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:53 PM 2/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >I think John's on to something here. How about connect together a >S-100, EEEI-696, EISA, MCI, PCI, VME and Multibus plane and create a >monitor that will allow CPU and memory on each system running >concurrently with mix and match boards as you like (or have) running >Concurrent CPM? > >To play PONG on..... Pong? Pong? At least have it run Spacewar, for pete's sake! -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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VAXStation 2000 start-up questions

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Fairchild Channel F

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Checked on usenet, now I remember why I didn't go there at first: > --I am not interested in Making $$$$$ > --I DONT NEED PASSWORD FOR SEX SITES > --I have nothing to sell and I don't want to buy anything. > I better try the mailing list. The worst part is, rgvc is considered pretty high-signal these days. It's been a bad week, though. BTW, I think I just gave you the list address, rather than the list request address. At least, I got your subscribe message, and I suspect the rest of the list did too. You might want to try classic-videogames-request(a)moose.webworks.ca for the actual subscribe request. Sorry about that, -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

28 years, 2 months

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Stupid bus tricks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Apple ][+ OS

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:26 AM 1/31/98 +0300, you wrote: >Actually, I was wondering what the heck Microsloth was thinking when they >made it 8 characters. And, the fact that in the next 5 FULL RELEASES If I'm not mistaken, the 8.3 convention comes from (at least) CP/M. Possibly from some other OpSys before that as well. When you've got 16K of memory, you probably don't want to waste 30 bytes when 8 will do just as well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

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Stupid bus tricks

by higginbo＠netpath.net

An even better stupid bus trick would be to connect all those bus types together, and have any card on any bus recognized by any computer. (But don't look at me, I'm just an idea man!) At 04:20 PM 2/2/98, you wrote: >It would be a LOT easier to connect them via a null-modem or just use >LapLink or something similar (Fast Lynx is my preference). > > Joe > > >At 11:47 AM 2/2/98 PST, you wrote: >>Could I attach two PC motherboards (ISA? PS/2? PCI? EISA? NuBUS? >>Others?) together via a ribbon cable by the bus connectors and then >>transfer data among them, of course having written the approporiate >>drivers? >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Fairchild Channel F

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

>To the original poster - you may have better luck asking on the classic >videogames mailing list (classic-videogames(a)moose.webworks.ca) or if you >have usenet access, on rec.games.video.classic. Checked on usenet, now I remember why I didn't go there at first: --I am not interested in Making $$$$$ --I DONT NEED PASSWORD FOR SEX SITES --I have nothing to sell and I don't want to buy anything. I better try the mailing list. -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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RED ALERT! FREE VAX Cluster needs rescue!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Those of you in or near Milwaukee may want to take note of this... ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:12:35 -0600 (CST) >From: "HULBERT JOSHUA" <hulbertj(a)msoe.edu> >To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org >Subject: Free VAX Cluster! >Sender: port-vax-owner(a)NetBSD.ORG >Delivered-To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG > >Hi, > >To anyone interested, my school is looking to make the old VAX cluster >disappear. It consists of two MV3600's, several racks of RA81/82's, one >MVII, and a TU-something-or-other. I haven't had time to go down and look >at the innards of any of the machines, but I will if anyone expresses an >interest in them. The whole shebang was operational the day they took it >to the basement, so I assume it still is. > >We also have two or three VS3100's, but I'm really not sure what shape >they're in. > >We are located in downtown Milwaukee, WI. The machines would be free for >the taking, or if anyone wants to pay the shipping, we could work >something out. I'd really like to see it all go toward the NetBSD cause, >otherwise they'll be scrapped for the gold :( > >Please get back to me as soon as possible. I'm guessing we have until the >end of the week, at which time the scrap metal man comes. I've had >phantasies about bringing the stuff home, but "home" is actually a dorm >room. Dunno if plugging the 3600's in will actually cause a brownout or >not. Housing wouldn't be pleased, I'm guessing. > >Cheers! > >Joshua Hulbert >Milwaukee School of Engineering >hulbertj(a)msoe.edu >(414) 287-4827 > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 2 months

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CGA Modes (Wuz: Win 3.0)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:09 PM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >As a side note... the Tandy 1000 line also supported three-voice digital >sound--also stolen from the PCjr. You will also find this supported in >those games too. Yeah, I played quite a few games on my 1000tx with both these features. Sure beat standard CGA and PC speaker! -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Stupid bus tricks

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 08:59 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >logic that drives those busses is strong enough that if one were to >assert a logic 1 and the other a logic 0 the result literally would be >smoke. But wouldn't it be fun to watch as a spectator? :) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Thanks Frank. I have two HP 2626s coming. I'd like give them a try just > for kicks. I understand that they'll support up to four sessions > simultanously. Seems stange to think of running the Altair via something > like that. 2626A or 2626W? The latter were intended for use with a word-processing product for the HP3000, called HPWORD. But that's another story, and as terminals they don't behave much different from each other. It's been a while since I did anything with them but I do remember setting one up to do the multi-session thing just to see how it worked. Conceptually it goes something like this: the terminal can have up to four workspaces, where each workspace has a chunk of the terminal's display buffer memory. You can then split the display into two or four windows (tiles) into the workspaces and associate devices with the workspaces (don't remember the details of this). But you only have two datacomm ports, so I'm not really sure how you can manage four sessions. Oh, how well did it work? I seem to remember thinking that it was cumbersome to use, difficult to switch between workspaces and to resize them as you were going. But I knew some other people who used this to move small chunks of text between two connected host computers, so maybe it was just something that you could get used to after a while. > I do have some junk VT-320s that I had forgotten about. I'll see if one > of them works in the mean time. Should be OK too, even if you end up working with software that expects a VT100. But I bet the Portable Pluses are easier to move! -Frank McConnell

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Stupid bus tricks

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Could I attach two PC motherboards (ISA? PS/2? PCI? EISA? NuBUS? Others?) together via a ribbon cable by the bus connectors and then transfer data among them, of course having written the approporiate drivers? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Fairchild Channel F

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

OK Thanks for the pointers. >To the original poster - you may have better luck asking on the classic >videogames mailing list (classic-videogames(a)moose.webworks.ca) or if you >have usenet access, on rec.games.video.classic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

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TRW Acquisitions

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<an Intel Multibus Single Board Computer 80/10A, and an Intel Multibus 80/ <card of some sort. The only reason I picked up the Intel Multibus board the 80/10a was a multibus 8080 card. I have a few but they are fried. When I get crazy I'll fix them. The 80/10 desn't date from '76 though the '76 is the date intel trademarked the MULTIBUS name. Allison

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Stupid bus tricks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

FROM: maxskin(a)hotmail.com; <make the computer do TCP/IP via serial or parallel port? So, could you <please tell me, COULD I STICK A RIBBON CABLE INTO TWO DIFFERENT <MOTHERBOARDS AND PRETEND THAT THE MBs ARE CARDS OF EACH OTHER? Max I answered the question and you didn't understand. ----> NO!!! YOU CAN NOT. <---- Doing that would have the two opposing CPUs competing without any way to resolve that nondestructively. That last word is important and the logic that drives those busses is strong enough that if one were to assert a logic 1 and the other a logic 0 the result literally would be smoke. Allison

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Stupid bus tricks

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

you asked for an straightforward answer? it's NO. In a message dated 98-02-02 17:49:20 EST, you write: << >>Could I attach two PC motherboards (ISA? PS/2? PCI? EISA? NuBUS? >>Others?) together via a ribbon cable by the bus connectors and then >>transfer data among them, of course having written the approporiate >>drivers? >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com For one thing, please answer the question without going into philosophy. The other is that I am looking not to transfer files, etc. but for a way to have two computers share information a la multiproc. systems. >>

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Interesting Find

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-02-02 17:09:25 EST, you write: << >Didn't the IBM Portable (or convertible...whatever) do that? I seem to recall that the convertible (the laptop) had a printer available that attached to the rear, although iirc, right side up and ready to print. (It connected directly through an expansion port on the back of the computer.) >> uncle is right, the pc convertible has a small printer that connects right to the back of the computer, and other options can plug into it. it can print on thermal paper, and print on regular paper i think too. i found the printer for my convertible at a thrift store for $1. talk about lucky! david

28 years, 2 months

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TI 99/4A Exp. Box

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Last week (while running around trying do recover from a disk crash) I picked up a TI 99/4a Expansion Box. Has a couple of cards and a (loose) disk drive, but to be honest, I haven't even had a chance to take it out of my girlfriend's trunk (too much sh*t going down lately). Anything interesting that might be in there? Did I do good at $15 (with some elec. screwdriver bits thrown in)? Any info is appreciated! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Future Services & Events from the Vintage Technology Cooperative

by dastar＠wco.com

I just thought I'd give yous guys a sneak peek of some of the things I am working on... The Vintage Computer Festival v2.0 - the continuation of the legacy! ;) This year's show will be bigger and better than the first. More vendors, a bigger exhibition, more great speakers and workshops, more more more! Tentatively scheduled for late summer. Keep your eyes open for further announcements. The First Vintage Computer Festival Auction - you won't want to miss this. There will be a bunch of incredible stuff auctioned off this spring to help fund VCF 2.0. Check the VCF web page (www.siconic.com/vcf) this May for details. A new & improved VCF web-site. Thanks to TCI's cable modem service, I'll be hosting my own internet services. Among other things, I will launch a vintage computer software archive. Online history, trivia, interviews with industry legends, a comprehensive vintage computer gallery, and a comprehensive list of links to other vintage computer sites on the web. This will become the one-stop shop for vintage computing. The Vintage Computer Collector & Trader Web BBS. This will be a BBS as was discussed a couple weeks ago in the discussion. It will provide two services. First, it will offer free advertising for those wanting to buy/sell/trade vintage computer hardware, software, literature, etc. Second, it will provide a registry for those wanting to network with other collectors around the country. Post a message describing what you want and how much you're willing to pay. Other collectors around the country scour their local flea markets, thrift stores and salvage yards looking for your requests. You work out the final details with each other. Automatic database management insures that requests stay current. Stale requests get removed automatically. The Vintage Computer Software Archives - the plan is for an FTP site with all manner of software archives for all platforms: CP/M, DOS, Unix, microcomputers (Apple, Atari, Commodore, TI, Radio Shack, etc.), mini-computers (DEC, Data General, Sun, IBM, etc.), mainframes...whatever is legal to archive and make publicly available will be there. The archived equivalents of disks, magnetic tapes, paper tapes, punch cards, whatever, will be made available for download. ALL THIS AND SO MUCH MORE! A VERITABLE NERD EXTRAVAGANZA TO SATISFY YOUR VINTAGE COMPUTER HUNGER! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 2 months

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Fairchild Channel F

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I found a Channel F on saturday. I'm having some problem with it: The horizontal lines are dashed. Could someone point me to a good hardware ref or help me out in troubleshooting it? Also it doesn't read the carts, I can select the internal game but the carts are not seen. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years, 2 months

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Interesting Find

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:14 PM 1/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >(Sharp PC-7100) > >> printer (I've only got one) that attaches to the back for portability. > >Didn't the IBM Portable (or convertible...whatever) do that? I seem to recall that the convertible (the laptop) had a printer available that attached to the rear, although iirc, right side up and ready to print. (It connected directly through an expansion port on the back of the computer.) The Sharp PC-7100's printer tips up* to attach for portability; to use it you have to detach it, set it down, and hook up a standard printer cable. *Tips up: take your standard mx-80 or what-have-you and grab the rear corners. Lift, rotating along the front bottom edge, and stand it on the front side. Now put your lunchbox in front of it. (Well, maybe Andre the Giant's lunchbox.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Coleco Adam pricing

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:25 PM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >No way! Maybe $50 at the top end, but $75 is way too much. These are not [...] >someone was trying to sell one at a swap meet? What would you expect to >pay for an old-assed, obsolete computer with no current support that some >guy had lying on the ground in a parking lot? For a Coleco Adam, I'd say >that number is between $25 - $30. Well, certainly, one can always hope to find a deal. I recently paid $750 for a non-running, 1959 Land Rover with no rear wheels and last registered in 1988. The seller told me that the next day someone showed up at his door with $2000 in cash. So, yes, if you want to wait 'til you find one at a flea market, then you should be able to get one for $25-30. (Heck, I've seen 'em (missed out on 'em) for free!) But, if you want one, and you know of one for sale, with some extra parts, I don't think $75 is an unreasonable asking price. Not everyone will pay it, of course; many will wait for the flea market, but there will be those who would just as soon pay a little more to have it now. For comparison purposes, I bought my main Land Rover ("Indy") 8 years ago for $10K. It's also a '59. (Though in better shape, a long-wheelbase model, and had a few extras.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

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AT&T 6300

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

If anyone's desperate for an AT&T 6300, I saw one for $30. Dunno if it works, or if it's complete, but it's there. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

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GRiDCase 3 EPROM Programmer

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 01:39 PM 2/2/98, you wrote: > Does it say anything about what it's looking for or what port it expects >to find it on? Well, there's only one 25-pin RS232 port on the GRiD, the other serial port is taken up by a 1200 baud modem (state of the art in 1985). I'm gonna try to find a cheap one at the next hamfest to tinker with it. Who knows? Maybe it'll work on the first try. (yeah, right) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 2 months

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I had forgotten that I have a pile of VT 320s, will they work? ANY vtXXX. A VT320 is ok too. It only has to be RS232 or 20ms interface and not blockmode. Most of the latter terminals only do rs232/rs423 and 20ma was TTY or DECwriters. < Sounds like just picking up old software is a waste of time and money. <It's to be exactly right for the system that it's going on. Pretty much the case back then or you had to know it was hackable. < I wondered about using the drives out of an old Osborne model OCC 1 th <I have. They may work muost just pull the 360k drives from an XT. < You're right. I have manuals for NS* CPM, CPM assembler, CPM <interface, etc. I haven't had time to read all this stuff yet. I'm gla <you told me that CPM will run on an 8080. I've seen some very old CPM <stuff but I didn't think I could use it. But there is a chance. It was never a question. I've been running CPM for 21 years and also have a NS* horizon thats now 20 years old. < Actually now that I know what I'm looking for, my NS* CPM manual says <16K of Ram with an origin of 2000 Hex. I have a bunch of NS* manuals, I V2.x and later it had to be 20k so that is v1.4 (likely from lifeboat associates). <like to find the NS* software that goes with them. BTW the NS* CPM book <says that the NS* board is supposed to have a PROM on it that contains th <IPL. I did say it had a minimal boot. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Stupid bus tricks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Could I attach two PC motherboards (ISA? PS/2? PCI? EISA? NuBUS? <Others?) together via a ribbon cable by the bus connectors and then <transfer data among them, of course having written the approporiate <drivers? Only if you want to kill both of them. Use the parallel port via laplink or other software. Technically it can be done via the bus if you created an interface card to resolve the bus conflicts that would result from a direct connection. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I'd like to get away from having to use a terminal. The only terminal <I have are big HP things and I don't know if they would work with the <Altair (too fast?, block mode instead of character mode?) The hp thing would not work. Try and scrounge up a vt100 or other more commonplace terminal vt100, vt220, heath/zenith h19, PC running Procomm or other term program. < I'm aware to the addresssing problems. Sounds like you have to <re-address everything to match the program or else hack the programs to <change all the device adresses, program loation etc. That's putting it mildly. Some of the CUTS and tarbell format tapes assumed you were using their monitor programs in rom. If you weren't, zap, a whole lot of IO code was missing. < I have a NS disk controller. I don't know if it has a IPL or how that <has to be done. The manual I have doesn't say. I also need to find a <Shugart SA 400 to go with NS controller. I know other drives are <electrically compatable with the SA 400 but I don't know if the track <spacing and other physical parameters are the same or not. If the physic <parameters aren't the same then the media would not be compatable. First you don't have the software manual or the hardware manuals as they do explain that. The NS* controller has a minimal boot as part of the hardware. If it's the single density controller it will work with an 8080, however if it's the later double density controller a z80 at 4mhz is a must. The NS* OS has an area that must be configured to match the IO in your system if it is not it will boot and hang. As to the disk your not locked to the sa400 there are hundres of different drives that will work. Sa400 was 35 tracks 48tpi single sided, any single sided drive other than a few oddballs will be 48tpi. Most older 360k full or half height drives will work as well despite being two sided. < This is an 8080 machine. Will it run CPM? I thought that was for Z80s Go back and read up on history. CP/M-80 ran on all 8080 systems with a miimum of 20k ram starting at 0000h, a floopy disk system and some kind ot terminal. < Yes, I know. Bill Gates first commercial product. First commercial hack done using borrowed time on his employers cpu. Oh, he wan't that good it was Gates and Allen. Allison

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by fmc＠reanimators.org

allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: > Gee Frank vt100 was not the only thing in the list. Granted, on re-reading it (and thinking a bit) you did mention an H19 and that is not a VT100-compatible or superset. But what really got my attention was the statement that the HP terminals won't work. They work just fine, providing you've got the straps set right. And while you can set the straps so the terminal starts in block mode I can't recall that being done ever in the last 20 years save by accident (typically user getting into config menus and whacking buttons not knowing how to get back out, getting frustrated, calling me to come out and reset the configuration). And what was I really reacting to? Well, yeah, this is one of my hot buttons from way back, and I apologize if I came across too strong. > A terminal emulator on a PC was suggested as if you posted here it's a > fair likelyhood you have a PC. I'd have suggested a MAC and term emulator > but I don't know that space. And as I said that's probably more functional. Quite frankly that's one of the reasons I carry an HP palmtop and keep a couple of the older HP Portable Pluses around: the former makes a tolerable LCD VT100-alike and the latter do good VT100 and HP emulation (with Reflection in ROM). -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by fmc＠reanimators.org

allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: > < I'd like to get away from having to use a terminal. The only terminal > <I have are big HP things and I don't know if they would work with the > <Altair (too fast?, block mode instead of character mode?) > > The hp thing would not work. Try and scrounge up a vt100 or other more > commonplace terminal vt100, vt220, heath/zenith h19, PC running Procomm > or other term program. Remember complaints about programmers thinking "all the world's a VAX"? Now it's time to work on the ones who think "all the world's a VT100." I used to use an HP2645 as a terminal on a Compupro CP/M system, so am sure it can be done. But it definitely depends on the expectations of the software running on the computer. If it isn't assuming anything more capable than a Teletype, things will be fine. If your BIOS or other terminal I/O support wants the terminal to do ^S/^Q flow control it will be disappointed (264xs don't, 262xs and later can be configured to do so but don't by default). If your applications expect the terminal to act like a VT100 by way of responding to VT100 or ANSI escape sequences (i.e. suffering from "all the world's a VT100" disease) then the easiest thing to do is to get a VT100-alike as Allison suggests. All that said, if you want help getting the HP terminal working feel free to ask. If you'd sooner use a terminal emulator on some other computer, that's OK too and probably more functional. -Frank McConnell

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Computone Port Card

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 19:54 29/01/98 -0700, you wrote: >Am I sure they're RJ11, no. They're physically the same jack with six >live wires. But beyond that, how would I know??? Because DEC plugs are different from RJ11: RJ 11= 4 pin; DEC=6 They share the same insertion size, but the DEC have "unplug key" not in the center as other RJ's ASCII-SAMPLE I=========I I=========I I ^^^^ I I ^^^^^^ I I I I I I-----i_i-I I---i_i---I DEC RJ11 >Does Xenix see these when it loads or do I have to tell it? You need its own device driver to let it go. >(Xenix/at 2.2.1) > >Do you if they are compatible/similar to anything that might recognise >the board and work it in today's UNIX world??? They were made for today's Unix world. The problem is to find its own software. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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9370 is a dog! Was: Re: Re[2]: Firsts

by cfandt＠servtech.com

At 13:15 13-01-98 -0500, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: >> Me too! But I think a 4381, say or even a 9370, would be easier to work >> on. > >Getting a 9370 should not be a problem - they are dogs that really were >not sucessful. I have seen quite a few in the scrap yards (none suitable >for taking, however). > I'll agree it's no problem. I got the old 9370 from my company setting at home. Paid an official $1 to act as a transfer of ownership. It's just barely a classic now. Obsolete as heck -not too long after we paid $200k+ for it in '86/'87. Lot of Tylenol used to sooth aching back muscles when I dragged it home piece-by-piece. (Should have seen the wife look at me...) It's a dog, but nevertheless, something important in the line of S/370 lineage which I literally rescued from the dumpster. Notably, it is said to be the first actual production unit sold. Don't exactly recall complete serial number, but it probably is first since it is something like xxx0001. Will get back to the list later with SN, etc. if anybody interested in confirming this. I need OS books (VSE, I think) and help in bringing her completely up. Xerox, I believe, kept the OS manuals since they did all the software maintenace under contract. IBM did hardware maintenance, of course. We used the Xerox Business Management System (XBMS) product to run our company. Have virtually all other hardware books and most periferal books safely at home. Heard that AIX could run on the 9370 under (I think) VM or something. Any AIX and VM OS's around that I could scrounge for this iron?? Have tried to bring it up at home but, apparently, lack of certain periferals it expects to see hung off the terminal ports causes the IPL to quit before OS completely loads. Need a guru or present-day user to help figure this out. Any of you folks willing to help me with this project later in the year??? Wife and I just bought another house and will not be settled until summertime or later. I'm making provisions during my rewiring of the house to include a 30A double-pole breaker since the 9370 takes 230V, single phase. Will duct the air coming out of the CPU to heat the house instead of using the furnace (just kidding, but there's quite a few BTUs dumped outta the thing and could keep the house above freezing in the winter at least.) Will tell the list anything more on this machine if any interest. Regards, Chris -- -- ======================================================= Christian Fandt Phone: +716-488-1722 -Home 111 Harding Avenue +716-661-1832 -Office Jamestown, New York Fax: +716-661-1888 -Office fax 14701-4746 USA email: cfandt(a)servtech.com

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rescue old cassette data

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I remember CUTS, but someone else mentioned 88-ACR and I'd never Altair cassette interface which was narrow FSK at 300baud. The actual board set was called 88-ACR and was a mits sio with a modified modem board (tx/rx frequencies the same). bell 103 uses differet tones for TX and recieve so for modem use it was useless. It is however narrow FSK. Allison

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GRiDCase 3 EPROM Programmer

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:07 AM 2/2/98, you wrote: > If you run it with no ERPOM burner attached, it will probably give you >an error message stating that the burner is not attached to port X. That >should give you a clue. It runs fine, it doesn't go out looking for the burner until you tell it to actually burn something. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Fairchild Channel F

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> >I found a Channel F on saturday. I'm having some problem with it: > What is a channel F, some kind of game machine like an Atari? There is > (was?) a Fairchild game machine in a trift store here. I don't remember > the name but I don't think it was channel F. The Fairchild Channel F is an old video games console - I believe it predates the original Atari VCS by a few months. They're regarded as pretty neat finds these days. To the original poster - you may have better luck asking on the classic videogames mailing list (classic-videogames(a)moose.webworks.ca) or if you have usenet access, on rec.games.video.classic. -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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TRW Acquisitions, VCF

by allisonp＠world.std.com

From: Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> <Remember complaints about programmers thinking "all the world's a <VAX"? Now it's time to work on the ones who think "all the world's a <VT100." Gee Frank vt100 was not the only thing in the list. I suggested those as I know they are common and usable. up here in MA (DEC country) they are as common as house flies. Actually an adm1 or three was more likely then. A terminal emulator on a PC was suggested as if you posted here it's a fair likelyhood you have a PC. I'd have suggested a MAC and term emulator but I don't know that space. Allison

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Development, round II

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Actually, I think that OS/2 prices'll drop soon. As for Linux, there are several "minimal distrobutions" avaible. One is called "Mini-Linux" which includes X-Windows, several games, a word processor, etc. as well as full Linux support, and runs under MS-DOS FAT 16 or FAT 32, as well as OS/2's system, no repartitioning necessary. It also is in 4 .zip files, each under 1.44MB for diskettes. Another is called "Monkey", which includes Navigator, X-Windows, all kinds of stuff, and once again, runs without a partition. Each take up no more than 30MB. I haven't gotten either working. If anyone can help me.... anyway, they're both first class operating systems. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk <Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 8:43 PM Subject: Re[2]: Development, round II >> > >BTW What is Warp? Is it the OS/2 windowing system? If so, why would I >> > >want to use it at all, let alone on a 286? ;-) >> > >> > Warp is OS/2v3. You couldn't use it on a 286, but if you had, say, a >> > 486/33 -- do pardon me for mentioning a nine-year-old part -- it would >> > begin to be worth playing with. My copy of Warp is still very much to >> > hand, and I think anyone who can scrounge up an appropriate computer should >> > run it (for a while) if they have the opportunity, because it's a real >> > education. >> >> Runs just peachy on my old 386/25. Faster than Windows 3.1 did, not >> that that's a compliment. I will admit that I prefer it, though of >> course all of my high-end machines run Linux. > >I seem to be reading a lot of good things about OS/2 here apart from the >price. Since it looks as though I may have found a source of decent >hard disk drives for my Compaq LTE Lite 20 machines I shall seriously >consider OS/2 for one of them. The other one, of course, will run >either Linux or Free BSD - Linux seems to have the vote so far. > >Thankyou everyone. > >Philip. >

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Dumpster Safari! (Stil: Off-topic...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

> > >I don't know of any *real* military surplus stores around SF anymore; > > >though you'd think there would be some, what with Mare Island Naval > > >ShipYard, Treasure Island, Alameda (Nuclear Wessels!), The Presidio, etc. I know. The Nuclear Wessels were hard to find. Actually, back to the off-topic topic, there *might* be another wave of stuff, depending on how many new gadgets various govenrment branches can make, and what we end up doing with Iraq. (Albright's coming here tommorow.) > > >There are a few electronics surplus stores around, especially down in the > > >(silicon) valley. Wha? (That seems strange to me) > As far as military surplus electronics goes, the end-all and be-all will > always be Fair Radio Sales of Lima, OH. They're even on the web now: > http://alpha.wcoil.com/~fairadio/ > >Yeah, but they're still a rip-off. Their prices were high in the >late 70's when I used to get their catalog, and they're high now. Of course they are. I mean, as has been pointed out, they can make a profit out of it. And, people GIVE them the money. I'm betting that many of the people buying the stuff haven't even heard of Hamfests. Also, on Classifieds 2000, they've got UNREASONABLE prices on classics under "Old Computers." I mean, I got a II+ form Jeff Kaneko for $10, and I saw several advertised, as "Real Rare Classics" for 3 digit figures. And, if people can make money that way....

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rescue old cassette data

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >OK, I'll build a web site this weekend that describes the Kansas-city >and Tarbell standards. Will this be useful? Yes, that would be great. I haven't gotten around to digging through my old Kilobauds yet. Which other formats should I research? I remember CUTS, but someone else mentioned 88-ACR and I'd never heard of that. I'm sure Bell 103 is quite simple. Then there's all the other cassette formats: CBM PET, VIC-20, C-64, Sinclair, etc. >If you wanted to make some digitized fragments available, I'd gladly >make some guesses as to the format. You can still recognize them "by ear"? :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Development, round II

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > >BTW What is Warp? Is it the OS/2 windowing system? If so, why would I > > >want to use it at all, let alone on a 286? ;-) > > > > Warp is OS/2v3. You couldn't use it on a 286, but if you had, say, a > > 486/33 -- do pardon me for mentioning a nine-year-old part -- it would > > begin to be worth playing with. My copy of Warp is still very much to > > hand, and I think anyone who can scrounge up an appropriate computer should > > run it (for a while) if they have the opportunity, because it's a real > > education. > > Runs just peachy on my old 386/25. Faster than Windows 3.1 did, not > that that's a compliment. I will admit that I prefer it, though of > course all of my high-end machines run Linux. I seem to be reading a lot of good things about OS/2 here apart from the price. Since it looks as though I may have found a source of decent hard disk drives for my Compaq LTE Lite 20 machines I shall seriously consider OS/2 for one of them. The other one, of course, will run either Linux or Free BSD - Linux seems to have the vote so far. Thankyou everyone. Philip.

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Dumpster Safari! (Stil: Off-topic...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 01:21 AM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >I don't know of any *real* military surplus stores around SF anymore; >though you'd think there would be some, what with Mare Island Naval >ShipYard, Treasure Island, Alameda (Nuclear Wessels!), The Presidio, etc. > >There are a few electronics surplus stores around, especially down in the >(silicon) valley. I wasn't into computers at the time (I was 6 or 7) But my father used to take me on Dumpster Safaris at Charleston Naval Base, where he worked (civilian). Man, they used to throw out all sorts of stuff, some of it just had a few scratches on it. I remember seeing oscilloscopes, radio gear, terminals, tools, office furniture, you could live in one of those dumpsters (Hey, I was 6. I didn't have great expectations.) My big thing back then was swapping wires on connections, juicing it up, and see what explodes. Now I'm all grown up! :) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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I think this RD54 is dead...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I think this RD54 may have died. It DID have the spin-up disease, (Wouldn't spin up), but this was just a bad case of stiction. I spun the disk and it worked. Now, I try to format the disk (test 70 on uVAX 2000) and it acts funny. Before, it would only recognise as unit 1. It would fail the RdMbb step, format would be OK, and the Checkpass would take eternity. (I let it run overnight, it completed 3 dots.) I set it to unit 0, same trick but the RdMbb is OK. Jumper problem? -------

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GRiDCase 3 EPROM Programmer

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I came across a program yesterday called GRiDROM.EXE. Apparently, it was used to drive an EPROM Programmer via the GRiDCase 3's serial port. My only question now is this: Would this most likley be a proprietary EPROM Burner or could I use any model, as long as it talked through the serial port? I know nothing of EPROM Programmers, so be gentle. :) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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EPROM Boot ROM Programming

by mallison＠konnections.com

You Smart Folks: Can anyone give me some clues on a minimal set up to program boot ROMs for IBM PC & AT comps. I want to build DOS & ? boot roms, but I only have a faint idea where to start. What's the minimum and what are some good lowend chips to use that can be easily reused as development goes on?? Thanks, -Mike (PS, I don't want to get too far off topic, so please mail me directly, if poss..) mallison(a)konnections.com Thanks

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The Hardware Book

by higginbo＠netpath.net

I found this link this morning and thought that it would be of great use to the group, so here it is: The Hardware Book http://www.blackdown.org/~hwb/hwb.html Welcome to the Hardware Book. Internet's largest free collection of connector pinouts and cable descriptions. Created and maintained by Joakim ?gren. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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No subject

by kermit＠talent.com.au

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Hall Kermit(a)talent.com.au 9452 6280 0414 264 065 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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C-64c probs

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> Subject: C-64c probs > > I was playing around with the C-64c I picked up last month... It came with > a 1541 floppy... > > I think I have a problem: Don't believe what those 'other' people say, collecting old computers is O.K. *grin* > > Turn on floppy > turn on C-64c > C-64c inits the drive (light blinks, then goes out) Sounds normal for a 15xx reset... > insert disk > type LOAD "$",8 > nothing happens, no drive light, no response from the 64. > > What's going on here? Drive misalign? How do I realign? Bad drive? Bad cable? I'd start with the cables and connectors... Also try loading ,9 10 or 11, it is possible that they rigged that 1541 to be a higher device number than 8. Have you tried reading the error channel: 10 open 15,8,15,"i0":rem initilize disk (no, this is not a format command...) 20 input#15,e,e$,t,s:rem read error channel 30 close 15: print e,e$,t,s if the disk is alive and device 9 it should report something like "0 ok 0 0" > Anyone have one or two extra 1541 floppy drives they want to sell? I find them pretty regularly at thrift shops and flea markets for a fraction of what the shipping would be. I would suggest you hunt about a bit first. If you want to brush up on Commodore 8-bit drive usage I have two guides on-line: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/diskbasics.html http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/loadingbasics.html Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our Commodore 64 BBS (Silicon Realms 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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What files are RT-11 master distribution?

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:32:45 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >>Either Orange or Blue DEC binders, depending on the upgrade path that >>the previous owner took. All of the binders that I have have grey covers. >>Look for two files of the form DISMT.COM and DISMT2.COM. These >>will have the definitive list of all files on the official RT-11 V4.00 >>distribution. If you're missing these - or any other files - tell >>me what media your machine has and I'll get you copies of these and >>whatever other files you're missing. Nope, I don't have either of these files. I got 4 RK05 packs with this system, three of which work. None of these disks have these files on them. I'd love to get a whole copy of the V4 distribution, if you have it (since it would match the manuals that I have). Right now, the only media that my machine has is the RK05 disk packs. I'm looking to get a paper tape reader/punch, but I haven't been able to find one yet. I'd also like to put an RX02 (??) dual-floppy on it. Maybe in February, when I go to my Temple Univ. "supply house." What interface boards do I need to hang a dual-floppy off of the PDP-11/34a? Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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