- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Group: Anyone have info on what looks to be an async serial board, the Emulex CC02? It's a Q bus card, quad height, 2x 40 (50? it's not in front of me) pin IDC headers. I tried various search engines but no luck. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Computers in the movies...

by rax＠warbaby.com

Y'all probably know about this site from the U of M's Charles Babbage Institute's Center for the History of Computing, but it's new to me so I thought I'd pass it along. It's a listing of movies which feature computers: http://www.cbi.umn.edu/movies.htm R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

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More finds saved from the trash

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the last few days have been good to me as I was able to save the following: 1) Bally Computer system with these videocades 2012 Space Fortress, 2011 Galactic Invasion, Tornado Baseball,Tennis,Hockey and Handball, 3002 Football, Blackjack, Poker and Acey-Deucey, and four game handles; 2) Mac LCII box only no kb or mouse; 3) Mac 128 keyboard and cable; 4) ASCI U68 System X computer really nice wood and smoke gray plastic case; 5) Next Laser printer; 6) Fluke 1102A IEEE-488 Translator two of them; 7) B&K models 466 and 440 CRT testers/rejuvenators; 8) Toshiba T1000SE manual; 9) Zenith model ZVM-1330 color monitor; 10) CPT Office Companion 2000 computer; 11) SX-64 Executive Computer; 12) Atari 2600 and paddles, lots cartridges came with it; 13) TRS80 Color computer programmable controller; 14) TRS80 X-PAD with pen and power supply; 15) Lots of color computer cartridges with two outstanding ones, 26-3142 Appliance and Light controller and Colorware Hi-RES input module COCO MAX; 16) TRS80 Multi-Pak interface 26-3024; 17) Various old paddles, joysticks and such; 18) lots books, manuals, diskettes to many to list here; 19) Many Vic20 items; 20) And many more that do not meet the 10 year rule, so all it has been a good week. I will going to Chicago this weekend to hit some flea markets there and will updated the list next week on any finds there. Keep Computing John

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Monitors

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

Well this seems to be my time for monitors. I just picked up a Taxan Multi Vision 770 Plus for $1.00 and an Atari Hi-res SM124 for $5. Last week I got a NEC Multisync JC1401P3A and Compaq VGA mono curbside, and acquired a Mac+ adapter for an earlier find, a Radius 15RAM1 Full page Display. Both Multisyncs have analogue<> TTL and mono-color switches and the Taxan has an overscan switch as well as a bunch of other controls. My main monitors have been a Nec Multi 2A for most of my VGA machines and a Commodore 1802 for my 8bits, not to mention my trusty Atari monitors with the bloody 13 pin connectors. I feel innundated :^)) Unfortunately I know little about monitors. Is there a good source for info on older monitors on the net or a newsgroup FAQ ? Is there a definitive textbook ? I have one, "PC&PS/2 Video Systems" by Richard Wilton but it deals mainly with software programming issues. BTW there was also 6 DEC Rainbow A and A+ in the same thrift for $1 each. No K-B or Monitors. I debated it with myself but have a RB 100B and a spare 100A and I'm already at minimal space, so I passed. They also had 2 Epson Equity's which I know ziltch about. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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by franke＠sbs.de

>> The Motherboard's Assembly Number is: 4256046 >> The 3 8k ROMs are part numbers: 901234-02, 901235-02, and 901236-02 >> There is another chip marked FPLA #1 0906114-02 >> There is a second next to it with it's label removed (dried spooge on the top), >> the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determine what >> the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) > I'll hafe a look tonight. Ok, here they are: Motherboard: FAB 825 6045 (A/B 8256044 Ref.D) ROMS: (All info like written on the labels) Kernal 901244-04A 901242-03A BASIC HI128K 901243-03A BASIC LO128K Other ROM(?): CBM2 LP 906114-04 It is definitly not a P500 - no Joysticks no VID Gruss H. BTW: Board# on the 610's is: 825 6048 -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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FW: WTB PDP-11/03

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Anyone got an 11/03 they'd care to sell to this fellow? Please respond directly to him if so. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec From: Ron Maxwell <rmaxwell(a)nyct.net> Subject: WTB: DEC PDP 11/03.... Yup!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: Email abuse(a)news2.new-york.net if this posting is inappropriate Reply-To: rmaxwell(a)nyct.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp16.nyct.net Message-ID: <35C9057F.4F31(a)nyct.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news2.new-york.net 902366577 27041 (None) [207.198.184.16] Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:23:11 GMT Lines: 15 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail Hi there... I am looking to buy a DEC PDP 11/03 with 2 8" floppy drives and a terminal... Why??? Because! I am lookin for the following software: Some kind of DOS with BASIC, Fortran, Pascal, and/or COBOL with manuals. Blank Floppy disks a plus!!!! This was the fist computer I evered programmed and am looking for some serious nostalgia! Ron -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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Wanted: APF Imagination Machine

by lgreenf＠nausicaa.net

Hi! I used a search engine and it pointed me to this email address. I have no idea if this is a person or a listserv, but I've been trying for a long time to find an old (circa 1980) "APF Imagination Machine". I'm NOT a collector, but am looking only for this machine because it was the first computer I ever owned. If you know of anyone who has one that might be willing to sell it, or see one for sale anywhere, PLEASE let me know! Thanks! Larry Greenfield Email: lgreenfi(a)nyx.net

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Burroughs 205

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 11:39 PM 8/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, james london wrote: > >> I am desperately seeking a Burroughs 205 computer controller console, >> circa 1957. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! > >You mean besides a time machine? Keep looking...a lot. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com Well... Just for reference, the Burroughs machines were very popular with the TV and Movie industry as props due to the large number of lights on the panels. A number of the Burroughs 205 programmers consoles can be seen on the show "Lost In Space" as the flight consoles on the bridge of the "Jupiter 2" spaceship A fan group of this show called "Alpha Control" (found at www.alphacontrol.com) does have some 'extra' panels for sale as memoribelia (can't spell that) of the show for only $7500US. So... it becomes a matter of just how much you really want one... B^} -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Boot Disks for Northstar Advantage

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

I need a set of boot disks for a Northstar Advantage system. Can anyone help? Thanks Tony

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Vint. Comp. Ann. / WANG WLTC First laptop w/ printer?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I didn't think it was the first. I have a Tandy Model 600, from 1985, and I *had* a model 100. I think I also have the first (correct me if I'm wrong) laptop with a printer. The Wang LapTop Computer (WLTC). It weighs about 16-20 lb., not including the external SCSI 5.25" 360K floppy (there's no internal disk drive), which weighs at least an extra 15 lb.. These things were definitely NOT for the light traveler. I think the WLTC came out in '84 or '85 (not sure). Mine is date Dec. 24, '86. I think it runs on a PASCAL-based operating system, with an MS-DOS emulator. Mine is "fully loaded", with a 10 MB "Winchester Disk" (hard drive), 1 meg RAM (alot for then), a modem (not sure what speed. if any one knows, let me know), and an RS-232 serial port. The battery even holds a bit of a charge) I have another WLTC - w/ 10 MB Winchester Disk, 512k RAM, and the RS-232 serial port. If anyone is interested in it, make me an offer. All of the parts are good, but the power supply. There is a blown capacitor in it - easy fix. It also does not have an external AC-DC adapter. I'm currently using a Tyco racing pack on the one that works. I also don't have a battery, but can give plans to build one. Make me an offer + shipping. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Festival Announcement > Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:47 PM > > The T1100 was Toshiba's first laptop, not *the* first laptop. I think the > T1100 came out in 1986. > > Other laptops that have been called the "first": > 1981 Epson HX-20 (first A4-style laptop) > 1982 GRiD Compass (first clamshell laptop) > 1983 Gavilan (Gwen Bell called this one the first laptop) > 1983 TRS-80 Model 100 (M100 owners like to call this the "first") > 1984 HP 110 (first battery powered clamshell?) > 1984 DG/One (Data General says there's was first) > > -- Doug >

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CLASSICCMP digest 496

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

> From: "Hans Franke" <franke(a)sbs.de> > Subject: CBM B500 > > Since I rediscovered a B500 in my junk some weeks ago, > I'm searching for information. Until now i could trace > nothing in the web or any magazine from that time. > > The Computer in question is a Commodore B500, Basicly > a CBM II LP. I am not talking about the P500. The mobo > is technicaly the same than the CBM 610 (B128) but a > different layout (only some lines) and a (lower) part#. > Sure it's not a P-500? I currently have mine (P-500) opened for Information Gathering, might well do some now... The Motherboard's Assembly Number is: 4256046 The 3 8k ROMs are part numbers: 901234-02, 901235-02, and 901236-02 There is another chip marked FPLA #1 0906114-02 There is a second next to it with it's label removed (dried spooge on the top), the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determine what the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) > Also the Version/Part#'s of the kernal/basic EPROMS are > lower than any known (to me) B128/B256/6x0/7x0 type. > > The mobo and all chips are dated to 1982 - again way > before any other CBM II I know. AFAIR the CBM II line > was introducted in 1983. Could be a beta prototype or one recalled during the FCC proving. (Commodore had a run-in with the FCC concerning the B and P series computers...) > > Any Info would be usefull. >

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Vint. Comp. Ann. / WANG WLTC First laptop w/ printer?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> > It may have been the first DOS based luggable, but it was preceded by > some years by the Access Actrix - a CP/M based machine that sported an > Epson DMP printer on top. It suffered from small screen and single sided > drives, unfortunately. > - don > I really wouldn't call it a luggable, mainly because it look like a laptop, and can run off of a battery, not needing to be connected to an AC outlet. If nobody minds, I may be able to upload a small picture of it so everyone can see what I mean. I you don't want me to post the picture to the list, let me know, and I'll send it to individual addresses. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

feeling mean, i decided to email the induhvidual with the $6500 gs system and feign interest. seems to be a nice setup, but not for the price. he can't prove ownership and doesnt even have the original boxes for the main items. maybe i'll think of a real valuable system that i could "trade" him for, or either just tell him he's dreaming. >8-) In a message dated 98-08-05 10:54:48 EDT, you write: << I seem to have attracted several similar offers of late. I don't know if something new has slipped into the water supply or they just don't really know. I try and tell them but most seem to think they can retire off their old computers. Maybe he'll come back around after he can't sell it. I wouldn't mind having a ROM 0 just to round out my IIgs collection but I don't want one THAT bad. >>

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Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> No, it was the first "Laptop" computer (you got the quotes the other way > around). You need to come to the VCF to hear Bruce Faust explain the > distinction. > Don't think I'll make it, I live in PA. If someone would tell me a bit more about it, I'd appreciate it, though. > The T1100 was circa 1986. Someone else with more general knowledge of it > fill him in on the significance of the T1100. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com

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Vint. Comp. Ann. / WANG WLTC First laptop w/ printer?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> I think the Panasonic Senior Partner was the first luggable with built-in > printer: intro'd at Comdex in 1983, but there were HP's from the 70's > which were just as (if not more portable) that also had built-in printers. > I don't think anything over 12 lbs or so could reasonable be called a > laptop, though. > Well, It has a battery, and is fairly portable, despite the weight. It originally came with a case, and so did the disk drive. I have the case for the disk drive, but not the computer. the two cases connected together to make one, large, heavy case. > > Say what? Could you elaborate on the Pascal-based OS and DOS emulator? > The UCSD pSystem could be called a Pascal-based OS, but it didn't have a > DOS emulator that I've heard of. Is that what you mean? > I can't be positive on how it works, but I can't run the WANG system disks on my Win '95 computer. They will run on the WANG. It has some sort of MS-DOS emulator, though I can't be sure that it's PASCAL that actually runs on the thing. I'll look it up in the manual and see what it says. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Fwd: Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Well, I think the guy is on crack but YMMV. As I would not pay anywhere near that much for this system, someone else might so if you are interested contact him directly, not me. ----- Forwarded message ----- Return-Path: <will(a)technotrack.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:21:37 -0500 From: will <will(a)technotrack.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Subject: IIgs for sale I do have the following: * Apple IIgs Limited Edition (signed by Steve Wozinak) with Authenticity certificate * 5.25" drive * 3.5" 800K drive * 52 meg hard disk * 1 meg Apple memory expansion board. * Apple ImageWriter II * Keningston System Saver IIgs * SCSI card with DMA and caching * AppleWorks 3, PrintShop IIgs, many TimeOut add-ons to AppleWorks * All manuals and cables (I have some, but not all, boxes), monitor, ADB keyboard, and ADB mouse If you were looking for donations, I am sorry, but for the moment, my price is $6500 plus shipping (insured). If you are not interested, please pass the word on. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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CLASSICCMP digest 496

by franke＠sbs.de

Finaly - I already thought nobody would care about ol' Commo' here :) >> Since I rediscovered a B500 in my junk some weeks ago, >> I'm searching for information. Until now i could trace >> nothing in the web or any magazine from that time. >> The Computer in question is a Commodore B500, Basicly >> a CBM II LP. I am not talking about the P500. The mobo >> is technicaly the same than the CBM 610 (B128) but a >> different layout (only some lines) and a (lower) part#. > Sure it's not a P-500? I currently have mine (P-500) opened for Information > Gathering, might well do some now... Shure it is a B500 - i could send Photos tomorrow (all at home) Different label and no joystick connectors at the backside. Althrough i guess the connector on the mobo next to where the P500 has the joysick ports, could be the same. Also the video chip is a 6845 and not a VID. > The Motherboard's Assembly Number is: 4256046 > The 3 8k ROMs are part numbers: 901234-02, 901235-02, and 901236-02 > There is another chip marked FPLA #1 0906114-02 > There is a second next to it with it's label removed (dried spooge on the top), > the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determine what > the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) Tomorrow. 8235 is the manufacturing week 35/82. N82S199N ? Hmm maybe a PROM ? N821xx are PROMS >from Philips - But I never have seen a ...00 or ...N. I'll hafe a look tonight. >> Also the Version/Part#'s of the kernal/basic EPROMS are >> lower than any known (to me) B128/B256/6x0/7x0 type. >> The mobo and all chips are dated to 1982 - again way >> before any other CBM II I know. AFAIR the CBM II line >> was introducted in 1983. > Could be a beta prototype or one recalled during the FCC proving. (Commodore > had a run-in with the FCC concerning the B and P series computers...) No FCC number. My peronal guess is that on first sight Commo had planed a B500 and P500 series of computers, but later switched to the 500/600/700 scheme (and then again to B128/256 for the US and 6x0/7x0 for Germany) - and eventualy dropped the 500. Beside the B500 I own 3 610 units and a 720 (_without_ fd's!) >> Any Info would be usefull. > From my understanding EVERY scrap of Commodore's information regarding the > B-128 line of computers went to the Chicago B-128 Users Group (a nice > arrangement made with Commodore). I talked briefly with the president of the > group several years back but have since lost touch with anyone in the group. > I hope one day someone with the B-128 info will surface on the 'net. Hmm - The question is which Commodore unit sold their info. If only the US- Commodore Inc., than its only a small part, since the development and Production (at least of the prototypes) where done at Commodore Germany - an 'independent' company - they even survived the Breakdown of Commodore for almost a year :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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CLASSICCMP digest 496

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > the chip ID is: N82S100N 8235 (I haven't searched the net to determin < > the chip is, one day I may study electronics more....) 82s100 is a PLA (PAL like device) Allison

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Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I noticed that the T1100, was the "first" laptop computer. What year was it made? -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Vintage Computer Festival <siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Vintage Computer Festival Announcement > Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 12:53 AM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > | | > | .================================================================. | > | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | > | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | > | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | > | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | > | H | | | \ \ | > | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | > | H | | | \ | | > | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | > | H | | \ \ | > | H \ - VCF 2.0 - | \ `-o | > | H | |\ `----o | > | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | > | H / Santa Clara, California | | > | H | | | > | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | > | H | | | > | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | > | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | > | H | | | | | | | | | | / | > | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | > | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | > | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | > | H / / | `-o \ \ || | > | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | > | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | > | H ____________________________ | | || | > | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | > | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | > | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | > | | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | | > | |__________________________________| | | | > | ________________________ ___|-Gordon Bell |__ | | > | | || || || | / | | | | > | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Father of the Mini-computer! | | | > | | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | | > | o ________________________ ___| his pioneering work on the |____| | > | | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | | > | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| | FEATURED SPEAKER | | > | o ________________________ \______| |___o | > | | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | | > | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| | o | > | |__||_||_||______________| | Who really invented the | / | > | ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ | > | | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | | > | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| JOLT and Synertek SYM-1 sin- |-----o | > | | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | | > | o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ | > | | || || || |/ | may need to be re-written. | | | > | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| \___|-David Rutland | | | > | ________________________ __| |_____| | > | | || || || | | On the National Bureau of | | | > | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | Standards Western Automatic | | | > | |__||_||_||______________|___ | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | > | ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | | > | | || || || | | help build this first com- | | | > | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | puter west of the rockies. | | | > | |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | | > | ________________________ \ |____________/ \____________| | | > | | || || || | \ | | > | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | > | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | > | | \__________________________________ | | > | o o________ \ | | > | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | > | // | o__ \ | | | | | > | H ___________|________ \ \ |-Tom Geller | | | | > | H | | \ \__| |___| | | > | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | Whether you're into game | | | > | H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | | > | H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | | > | H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| | > | H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | | > | H | of the Vintage | \ | | | > | H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | | > | H | is to promote the | \__| |____o | > | H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | | > | H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | | > | H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | | > | H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ | > | H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ | > | H | nologies, people | | | \ | > | H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | | > | H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | | > | H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | | > | H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | | > | H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | | > | H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | | > | H | / | | | | > | H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | | > | H _________________________ | | o | | > | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | | > | H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | | > | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | | > | H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | | > | H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| | > | H / | and his involvement with the | | | // | > | H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | | > | H |o \__/ | / | | | | > | H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | | > | H | Test your computer | o' | | | | > | H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o | > | H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | | > | H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ | > | H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H | > | H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H | > | H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H | > | H | | / H | > | H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H | > | H / | | / H | > | H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H | > | H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H | > | H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | > | H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H | > | H | __| 50s, 60s and 70s |__ | _ | | H | > | H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | > | H | | stock footage | / | | | H | > | H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H | > | H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H | > | H |____________________| |__| |___|__________________| H | > | H H | > | \\ // | > | `=====================================================================' | > | | > | V2.0 rev 2 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | > |___________________________________________________________________________ | > > > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0! > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details > [Last web page update: 07/26/98] >

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Burroughs 205

by wjhl18＠webtv.net

I am desperately seeking a Burroughs 205 computer controller console, circa 1957. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! Jim

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> '*' and '#' have no pulse analogues. However, in the states at least, the > equivalent to dialing a dial access code preceded by a star or pound is > generally achieved by rotary dialing '11' before the code (ie. *69 would > be 1169). Fortunately in the UK there are no requirements yet (afaik) for * and # on the public networks. On the private exchange at work, 11=*, 12=#, 13=** and 14=##, at the beginnings of numbers only, but I don't know whether it still works. BTW, in the UK # is _never_ called "pound". "Hash" is the most usual name, followed by "gate" and "hatch". "Pound" means a script L with a couple of horizontal bars through it :-) > As for trying to communicate with auto-attendants, you'll probably have to > add external buttons to your rotary phone to give you the capability of > dialing '*' and '#'. That's what I was afraid of. Although a neater hack still would be a modified dial that did 11 pulses for * and 12 for #. Mechanically possible, but I wouldn't want to try and modify the old dial. There is a blanked-off hole in most type 746 phones that can accommodate 1 or 2 buttons, and I was thinking of putting # and * there, but this is more usually used for a "recall" button. Incidentally, does anyone know why "timed break" recall buttons are replacing local earth ones? And how long is the break? > While a pulse-to-DTMF converter is a neat hack (and these sort of > converters were installed in some step-by-step exchanges in the US, at > least there were in my local exchange when we were step-by-step, but come > to think of it I don't know why, unless they were converting my pulse > dialed digits to DTMF so that some other adjunct piece of equipment such > as a Dialed Number Recorder could know what digits I was dialing, for > purposes of surveillance ;) it'd be easier to just buy a cheap DTMF phone. Sam, you should be ashamed of yourself. The object of the exercise was not to get a DTMF phone, but to get one with a _rotary dial_. I already have a DTMF phone, and I am interested in thes project _purely_ for hack value. Slightly less far off topic, does anyone know the reason for the divergence in layout between phone keypads and computer ones, i.e. 123 789 456 vs. 456 ? 789 123 0 0 Which came first? Philip.

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Maybe off-topic: low/no cost Soft-ICE for x86

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:42:40 -0400 (EDT), Ethan Dicks <erd(a)infinet.com> wrote: >>How about dosemu under Linux? It's complete enough that we used to load >>NDIS drivers and emulate a PC well enough to log into the Novell network >>at work and read e-mail, etc., from DOS. I do not know the state of >>debugging tools for dosemu, but it's copylefted - you can add in all the >>features your schedule permits. Do you remember where in the source tree this is? I don't have Linux installed, but I have the CD lying around here somewhere. {snip} >>comment on its current state. Your milage may vary, yadda, yadda, yadda. Batteries not included...may explode if heated...contents may have settled during shipping...keep away from open flame...may cause cancer in mice...do not operate heavy machinery after using... :-) Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Help...?

by rax＠warbaby.com

Anyone care to be a good samaritan? Delivered-To: cnewmark-com-i(a)steam.ionix.net Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:50:31 -0700 From: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com> To: listfoundation community <cnewmark-com-i(a)steam.ionix.net> Reply-To: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com> Subject: (community) Digital Historian / Wizard Needed Status: U (community) My grandfather has 20 years of his life's work stored on a 1982 Pitney Bowes Word Processor 6000 and the whole thing has gone kaput. It used those large double sided, double density diskettes (also copyright 1982). All I have is the reorder number on these diskettes: 169501. I need to get the stuff on paper someohow so I can scan it all into the new PC I'm getting him (unless it can be downloaded onto disk?). If you can tackle this one, the machine is yours. Lisa Galbreath, Corporate Services Manager CNET: The Computer Network 150 Chestnut Street, San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 395-7805 x1277 fax: (415) 623-2458 -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.

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Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

I'm not saying it's not worth $200, just that I wouldn't pay that much for one :) Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim [mailto:jim@calico.litterbox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:18 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available? > > > $200 for a fully loaded GS, with a monitor, a couple floppy > drives, and what > not isn't bad at all. Add a hard disk and it's a good deal. > BTW, ROM Os are > practically worthless however because they won't run GSOS > 6.01. You can > still buy the upgrade roms from alltech for 29 bucks. All > money mentioned > in this article is in US dollars. :) > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- >

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Thanks...

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

> > > > Thanks to everyone that was helping solve our PDP-11 boot > problems but > > it seems that part of the problem was the fact that the > backplane was > > giving out (it actually went up in smoke on friday night > while we were > > The backplane, or the power cable to it? I've never seen a backplane > smoke - with a DEC PSU, even a dead short between +5V and > Ground doesn't > normally melt anything. What on earth were you doing with it? > It was the power supply. Being old, it decided to go boom. > > PS: If anyone in the Massachusetts/New Hampshire area has a > spare RX01 > > that they wouldn't mind parting with, we have alot of Q-Bus > cards that > > need a backplane :) > > An RX01 (unless I am very much mistaken) is a dual floppy drive. It > doesn't contain a backplane, and you certainly can't plug q-bus cards > into it. I don't see how this would help. > My bad. We have a real PDP 11/23 backplane and we're looking for an RX01 to boot it from. We have a whole ton of 8" disks and these are the only disks we have with an OS. Tony

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Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by franke＠sbs.de

> > Well, I think the guy is on crack but YMMV. As I would not pay > > anywhere near that much for this system, someone else might so if you > > are interested contact him directly, not me. > > I do have the following: > > * Apple IIgs Limited Edition (signed by Steve Wozinak) with > > Authenticity certificate >> If you were looking for donations, I am sorry, but for the moment, my >> price is $6500 plus shipping (insured). If you are not interested, >> please pass the word on. USD 6500 - Maybe for an Apple 1 including box. > I think this guy is on crack, ludes, hashish, pot, heroin, and any other > drugs you might dream up. I've passed on systems like this priced at > $200! > Tony 200 ? thats a lot. And: I know crack, pot, etc. but whats YMMV ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Oh heck it booted

by karlm＠blitzen.canberra.edu.au

Hey Tony! I readjusted the bus jumpers again, and checked all connections..... > b ar() Boot: ar(0,0,0) Boot: ar(0,0,3) then it booted! Thanks, I'll tell you how I progress with SunOS installation! Cheers Karl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Karl Maftoum Computer Engineering student at the University of Canberra, Australia Email: k.maftoum(a)student.canberra.edu.au

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Transputer documentation required

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:00 PM 7/19/98 -0400, Doug Spence wrote: > >Is this the same Microway that used to make Flicker Fixer boards for Amigas? Yes. The FF was developed by an independent fellow named Pete Selverstone, who had the hardware manufactured and sold through Microway, who seemed to dabble in a number of esoteric devices at the time. - John

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Near disaster and questions on finds

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

The other day I was mucking around in the room I store most (some, according to my girlfriend 8^) of my collection, and all of a sudden one of the shelves holding a bunch of Toshibas, collapsed. Luckily, I was there and was able to keep them from crashing to the floor, but still... Upon closer inspection, it looks like the shelf with (some of) the GRiD's is about ready to go as well. These are those metal shelves you get at Target for $8 on sale. So, I guess my question is, how to others store their collection? Keep in mind that I'm in San Francisco, and that Earthquakes are an issue. Thanks! Oh, and latest finds: another Panasonic Senior Partner (I really need the specs on these if ya got 'em!) and one of those HP ThinkJets which I'm actually gonna hook up to my Dad's computer (as soon as I figure out where all those printer cables I use to have are!) Most interesting was a Cable Demodulator. Yep, not a MOdulator/DEModulator (MODEM), but just a Demodulator. Apparently, TCI at one time sent out a free signal on the cable that could be read by anyone with a PC and one of these boxes. So, anyone know if they still do that, and what software one would need? I also picked up a Mobidem, sans cable, of course, which appears to be a radio modem made by Ericsson. If anyone has any info on this.... Last but not least, a Datasonix Pereos tape drive. It's a little unit not much bigger than a microcassette that is supposed to be able to back up a GB on a single cartridge. Unfortunately, I got no tapes with it, and the only source I've found so far (www.datasonix.com) is pretty pricey considering I don't know if it works. Anyone know of a cheaper source for these tapes? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Jerry Pournelle Parody

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:19 PM 7/31/98 -0700, Kai wrote: >I just had to pass this on to the list. >http://shell.rmi.net/~bslatner/humor/pournell.html The parody mentions his kids - week before last, I bumped into Alex Pournelle walking around in one of the computer history exhibits (where one of my Teraks was on display) at the ACM SIGGRAPH computer graphics convention in Orlando. For many years while I was working as a freelance writer, I'd see Jerry in person at press events at computer shows, and I knew many of his assistants / toadies. Ugh. It was frightening what he was given, and how little time he spent with it, and how little he understood it. Alex has certainly inherited or adopted many of his father's traits, including the condescending dismissal and endless bumming of software and hardware. He and another writer are working on a WinNT "studio" book, and are gathering all the 3D and video stuff they can find - but of course, many writers do all that. Where does it all go? It depends. The more pricey the toy, the less likely someone gets to keep it forever. Software often has no value on this spectrum, and stays in the hands of the reviewer, who might keep it or even resell it. (I was once appalled by the brisk cash gathered by a "reviewer" of books for a newsletter for librarians, who'd turn a bagful of new books into cash each week at the nearest used book store, after dismissing each with barely a paragraph "review".) For someone of Poor-Nelly-ian magnitude, you've ultimately got to *hire* someone to be in charge of returning and donating all the stuff that arrives. Keep in mind, a great deal arrives unsolicited. I note that the parody was written by Ed DeJesus, an actual editor at Byte, who oversaw my first and last Byte article (see <http://www.byte.com/art/9507/sec8/art5.htm>. I recently saw a summary of the mindset of the Pournellian branch of science fiction as "Space is like Texas, only bigger." - John

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Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available?

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

I think this guy is on crack, ludes, hashish, pot, heroin, and any other drugs you might dream up. I've passed on systems like this priced at $200! Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: David Williams [mailto:dlw@trailingedge.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:12 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Fwd: Apple IIgs Rom 0 Available? > > > Well, I think the guy is on crack but YMMV. As I would not pay > anywhere near that much for this system, someone else might so if you > are interested contact him directly, not me. > > ----- Forwarded message ----- > Return-Path: <will(a)technotrack.com> > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:21:37 -0500 > From: will <will(a)technotrack.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) > Subject: IIgs for sale > > I do have the following: > > * Apple IIgs Limited Edition (signed by Steve Wozinak) with > Authenticity certificate > * 5.25" drive > * 3.5" 800K drive > * 52 meg hard disk > * 1 meg Apple memory expansion board. > * Apple ImageWriter II > * Keningston System Saver IIgs > * SCSI card with DMA and caching > * AppleWorks 3, PrintShop IIgs, many TimeOut add-ons to AppleWorks > * All manuals and cables (I have some, but not all, boxes), > monitor, > ADB keyboard, and ADB mouse > > If you were looking for donations, I am sorry, but for the moment, my > price is $6500 plus shipping (insured). If you are not interested, > please pass the word on. > > ----- > David Williams - Computer Packrat > dlw(a)trailingedge.com > http://www.trailingedge.com >

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Compaq

by bill.sheehan＠stoneweb.com

Reminds me of a trick Penn Jillette (of the magician duo Penn & Teller) thought somebody (somebody other than *him*) should try on their laptops next time they pass through an airport: AUTOEXEC.BAT echo ARMING.... echo ARMED echo 10 echo 9 echo 8... (Note: This may well be a federal crime, and I don't recommend it. It's also a bad idea to call and wave to friends in airports ("Hi, Jack!") and to disparage the in-flight movie ("'My Best Friend's Wedding?' What a bomb!"). -- Bill Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> on 07/22/98 08:20:58 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC) Subject: Re: Compaq On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > As I mentioned once before, I once carried a VR201, by its handle, on a > train. Now, in that orientation, it looks a little like a bomb or land > mine, so I stuck a little label on each side with 'Danger Implosives' on > it, in red pen. Got some _very_ odd looks :-). Haha. That's a ballsy act. I wonder what would happen to you if you tried that today. Ok, now grow your beard out a little and try it in Arab head-dress. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98]

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Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by Marty＠itgonline.com

I cannot attend the VCF but would like a shot at winning the IMSAI 8080 anyway. If I buy a $5.00 admission ticket and mail in the stub, would I be entered into the drawing for the IMSAI 8080? On the wrong coast- Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Vintage Computer Festival Announcement Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 8/4/98 12:55 AM ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | .================================================================. | | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | | H | | | \ \ | | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | | H | | | \ | | | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | | H | | \ \ | | H \ - VCF 2.0 - | \ `-o | | H | |\ `----o | | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | | H / Santa Clara, California | | | H | | | | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | | H | | | | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | | H | | | | | | | | | | / | | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | | H / / | `-o \ \ || | | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | | H ____________________________ | | || | | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | | | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | | | |__________________________________| | | | | ________________________ ___|-Gordon Bell |__ | | | | || || || | / | | | | | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Father of the Mini-computer! | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | | | o ________________________ ___| his pioneering work on the |____| | | | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | | | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | FEATURED SPEAKER | | | o ________________________ \______| |___o | | | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | | | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| | o | | |__||_||_||______________| | Who really invented the | / | | ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ | | | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | | | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| JOLT and Synertek SYM-1 sin- |-----o | | | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | | | o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ | | | || || || |/ | may need to be re-written. | | | | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \___|-David Rutland | | | | ________________________ __| |_____| | | | || || || | | On the National Bureau of | | | | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | Standards Western Automatic | | | | |__||_||_||______________|___ | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | | ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | | | | || || || | | help build this first com- | | | | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | puter west of the rockies. | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | | | ________________________ \ |____________/ \____________| | | | | || || || | \ | | | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | | | \__________________________________ | | | o o________ \ | | | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | | // | o__ \ | | | | | | H ___________|________ \ \ |-Tom Geller | | | | | H | | \ \__| |___| | | | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | Whether you're into game | | | | H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | | | H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | | | H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| | | H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | | | H | of the Vintage | \ | | | | H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | | | H | is to promote the | \__| |____o | | H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | | | H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | | | H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | | | H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ | | H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ | | H | nologies, people | | | \ | | H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | | | H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | | | H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | | | H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | | | H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | | | H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | | | H | / | | | | | H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | | | H _________________________ | | o | | | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | | | H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | | | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | | | H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | | | H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| | | H / | and his involvement with the | | | // | | H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | | | H |o \__/ | / | | | | | H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | | | H | Test your computer | o' | | | | | H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o | | H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | | | H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ | | H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H | | H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H | | H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H | | H | | / H | | H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H | | H / | | / H | | H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H | | H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H | | H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | | H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H | | H | __| 50s, 60s and 70s |__ | _ | | H | | H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | | H | | stock footage | / | | | H | | H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H | | H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H | | H |____________________| |__| |___|__________________| H | | H H | | \\ // | | `=====================================================================' | | | | V2.0 rev 2 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | |___________________________________________________________________________| Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0! See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details [Last web page update: 07/26/98] ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Aug04.005550.1767.55416; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:55:50 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA16815; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:34 -0700 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA63494 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:26 -0700 Received: from jasmine.psyber.com (siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com [207.135.192.16]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id VAA17724 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (siconic@localhost) by jasmine.psyber.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21912 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:19 -0700 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980803215047.9543B-100000(a)jasmine.psyber.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Vintage Computer Festival <siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Vintage Computer Festival Announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: ClassicCmp <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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S-100 RAM Card

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

Anyone out there have a spare S-100 RAM card (any size) that they would be willing to part with? I need one for the IMSAI, cant test it properly without one :) Tony

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Sun-2/100U The Next Chapter

by karlm＠blitzen.canberra.edu.au

Hi again, Thanks for all the help with getting the thing booted, I managed to get the miniroot installed on xy0 (an aging Fujitsu M2322K on a Xylogics 450(451?) controller), and it boots quite happily off the miniroot into single user mode, the SunOS install program is quite advanced for 1986, and very easy to use! Just select the packages and put the tapes in when asked. Along the way i've noticed that one of my memory cards seems to be faulty, it currently has 7mb of ram (4mb + 1mb + 1mb +1mb), after numerous "Protection Bus Faults" I removed all but the 4mb card, and all is fine, i was able to up it to 6 and isolate the faulty card. I'll probably end up replacing most of the 4164 chips on that board, i think I have a box full of them somewhere :) The only problem I seem to be having is that, the first time I installed SunOS, when it goes to boot multiuser, it stops at "Using 100 buffers containing xxxxx bytes of memory" then appears to write continously to the HDD, (I verified this by clicking the WP switch on, and it dumped errors everywhere). it's not the rc files, i'll have a go at reinstalling SunOS again and see. There appears to be another problem, I don't have the manufacturers bad block data for the drive, and as such when i reformatted the drive it has no bad block info.... Now I did try "scan" in the diags to rebuild the bad block table, at which point it filled the bad block table and declared the drive unusable. I am slightly dubious of this, as the format/verify then failed where it had worked previously. Resetting the drive returned things to a sane state, and the format/verify completed correctly... any ideas? On the up side, the Tapemaster 1/2" tape and the ethernet interface is working, when it does finally work it'll be plugged into the university LAN....should make an interesting curiosity :) Cheers Karl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Karl Maftoum Computer Engineering student at the University of Canberra, Australia Email: k.maftoum(a)student.canberra.edu.au

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Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

___________________________________________________________________________ | | | .================================================================. | | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | | H | | | \ \ | | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | | H | | | \ | | | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | | H | | \ \ | | H \ - VCF 2.0 - | \ `-o | | H | |\ `----o | | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | | H / Santa Clara, California | | | H | | | | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | | H | | | | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | | H | | | | | | | | | | / | | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | | H / / | `-o \ \ || | | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | | H ____________________________ | | || | | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | | | |____________________________| | KEYNOTE SPEAKER | | | | |__________________________________| | | | | ________________________ ___|-Gordon Bell |__ | | | | || || || | / | | | | | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Father of the Mini-computer! | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | Mr. Bell will speak about | | | | o ________________________ ___| his pioneering work on the |____| | | | || || || | / | DEC PDP-1, PDP-8 and PDP-11 | | | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | FEATURED SPEAKER | | | o ________________________ \______| |___o | | | | || || || | |-Ray Holt | | | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| | o | | |__||_||_||______________| | Who really invented the | / | | ________________________ ____| first microprocessor? Guess |___/ | | | || || || |__/ | again. This designer of the | | | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| JOLT and Synertek SYM-1 sin- |-----o | | | |__||_||_||______________| | gle-board computers will re- | | | o ________________________ ______| veal why computer history |_____ | | | || || || |/ | may need to be re-written. | | | | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \___|-David Rutland | | | | ________________________ __| |_____| | | | || || || | | On the National Bureau of | | | | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | Standards Western Automatic | | | | |__||_||_||______________|___ | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | | ________________________ \___| worked under Harry Huskey to |__o | | | | || || || | | help build this first com- | | | | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | puter west of the rockies. | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | ____ O | | | | ________________________ \ |____________/ \____________| | | | | || || || | \ | | | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | | | \__________________________________ | | | o o________ \ | | | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | | // | o__ \ | | | | | | H ___________|________ \ \ |-Tom Geller | | | | | H | | \ \__| |___| | | | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | Whether you're into game | | | | H | Vintage Computer |___ \ | consoles, handheld devices, | | | | H | Festival... | \ \ | arcade machines or personal | | | | H / \ \ \__| computers, there's a Mac- |_____| | | H | The main mission | \ | based emulator for you. | | | H | of the Vintage | \ | | | | H | Computer Festival | \ |-Jim Willing | | | H | is to promote the | \__| |____o | | H | preservation of | | Jim will demonstrate ways in | | | H | "obsolete" compu- |___ | which you can put computers, | | | H | ters by allowing | \ | new and old, back to work in | | | H | attendees to ex- | \_____| the classroom. Also, how to |___ | | H | perience the tech- | | care for your old computers. | \ | | H | nologies, people | | | \ | | H | and stories that | |-Bruce Faust | | | | H | embody the remark- | ______| |__o | | | H | able tale of the | / | Bruce will tell you every- | | | | H | computer revolu- | o' | thing you want to know about | | | | H | tion. | | the Toshiba T1100, the first | o | | | H |____________________| ___| "laptop" computer. |__/ | | | H | / | | | | | H o o______/ |-Manny Lemas | | | | H _________________________ | | o | | | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S |___| Manny will discuss his work |__/ | | | H | www.haggle.com | | in the early days of the | | | | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | | microcomputer revolution, | | | | H |_________________________| | including publication of the | | | | H __| first microcomputer journal |_____| | | H / | and his involvement with the | | | // | | H ________ ________ / | Synertek SYM-1. | | | | H |o \__/ | / | | | | | H_____| |_/ __|-Philip Belben |___o | | | H | Test your computer | o' | | | | | H | history knowledge! | | Philip will be presenting a | o | | H __| |__o | workshop on the pre-history | | | H | Nerd Trivia | __| of the graphics workstation. |_____ | | H | Challenge | o | | ____ O | H | | H o___| |_/ | |__________/ \______________| H | | H | Only at VCF 2.0! | / H | | H | | / H | | H _| - Also - |__/ ___________________o H | | H / | | / H | | H o' | A screening of | / __ ___ __________________ H | | H __| vintage computer |____/ | |__| | | H | | H / | sales and training | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | | H | | films from the | | | go home with an | H | | H | __| 50s, 60s and 70s |__ | _ | | H | | H | | by San Francisco | /| (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | | H | | stock footage | / | | | H | | H | o_| film archive |____/ | | See the VCF web | H | | H o | Oddball Film+Video | | __ | site for details |==--o H | | H |____________________| |__| |___|__________________| H | | H H | | \\ // | | `=====================================================================' | | | | V2.0 rev 2 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | |___________________________________________________________________________| Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0! See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details [Last web page update: 07/26/98]

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Hi, MS Softcard

by timhotze＠hotmail.com

Hi everyone. Just to let you know, I'm not dead. (Boos, hissing, please.) Anyway, I found a MS Softcard for an A2. Serial# (if it matters) 2-189 18227. Full docs, all disks, packaging, etc. Now, for someone who has 2 or more: What's a good garage-sale-old-used-hardware price???? (It's a frends, but I want to pay hm to remove the guilt.) Pleae reply to worldsfate(a)geocities.com (Yes, that's not this addresss, but I can't get my HPC to send from it.) Thanks for any info. Tim D. Hotze ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Oh heck it booted

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 4, 0:25, Tony Duell wrote: > Am I the younger generation? (I date from about the time of the PDP12). I > certainly know what a cork borer is - I've used them on many occasions. > What on earth do people use now to fit glass tubing into corks? They don't use corks -- they use pre-bored rubber bungs. However, the easiest and safest way to put a thermometer into a bung is to insert a borer first, slide the thermometer down the borer, and remove the borer leaving the thermometer in place. One of the first things I was taught on the lab techs course years ago (the second thing was how to deal with a kid who has a thermometer impaled in the hand). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Oh heck it booted

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 19:45, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: Oh heck it booted > > > Hmmm.. I have a small lathe (IMHO _all_ computer preservationists need > > > one, like you need a 'scope, logic analyser, soldering iron, etc, right > > > ;-)). But rubber is not the easiest material to turn to size - my guess > > > is you need to take a very light cut... > > > > With a very sharp cutting tool! > > That always helps :-). I would also grind a shallower angle on the > top/front edge, to reduce the tendency for it to dig it. A tool that digs > in to the rubber would pull it away from the spindle, and cause it to end > up undersize (and rough!). Actually, you want exactly the opposite if you're cutting it -- a very acute angle, so the rubber is sliced thinly with minimal effort. You want to slice it rather in the manner you would do wood turning with a turning chisel. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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old modems & a packet switcher

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< No, I was thinking about differences in ground potential between the < two buildings, static electricity, lightning strikes, that sort of < thing. All the canonical reasons why you wouldn't want to pull < Ethernet coax through that conduit. Use thick eithernet wire as its coax and uses ground and everything uses an isolated interface to it. AUI is imune to ground loops and can be burried. The other approach is RS422/485 type interconnect as it is differntial. Myself I'd sink several peices of weather proof coax and build on that using AUI (thick eithenet). If you have a choice go underground as air trips invice lightining. Allison

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Oh heck it booted

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 9:11, Allison J Parent wrote: > Subject: Re: Oh heck it booted > > < > ;-)). But rubber is not the easiest material to turn to size - my gues > < > is you need to take a very light cut... > < > < With a very sharp cutting tool! > > You don't cut it you grind it! If done on a lathe you turn the rubber > part and run a high speed grinder against it. It's insures it will be > concentric and gives a smooth surface. In the workshops I've seen where it's handled, it's usually done with a very sharp tool with a very acute cutting angle (I've seen razor blades mounted in a holder for this) and lubricated with glycerine. For some jobs, I've seen a tubular cutter (rather like a cork borer) mounted in the tailstock and pressed into the workpiece, similarly lubricated with glycerine. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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old modems & a packet switcher

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: > I am not sure why classic networking stuff tends to be shunned like a > rabid dog. Stuff from the 1970s is quite rare, but 1980s era stuff (CSUs, > switches, etc.) tends to be around, and now quite available, now that T1s > are becoming turtle highways. Some thoughts: With many of these devices, it takes (at least) two to tango, and of course you never find both together. (What is the sound of one statmux clapping?) Synchronous modems often didn't just carry the data from one end to the other, they also provided clock signals to the DTEs. Many DTEs expect to see those clock signals and won't originate them, so getting two nearby ones to talk over direct cabling can be an interesting proposition. Some of us probably worked with this stuff back in the days when it was new (1983-1989 in my case). "Fun" is not the adjective that comes to my mind. > How about running a T1 line between the > house and garage? With appropriate routing, its performance can be quite > suprising. Can you do this over dry copper, for short runs? If so, would you want to? You mentioned in another post that you'd have to run conduit for FDDI, and that makes me think there might be some open space between hither and yon. Sure, you could run copper, but wouldn't electrical potential differences be a problem? I know that we used to have a fiber run under the parking lot at the office, and Ethernet-fiber bridge things at the ends (two buildings w/parking lot between). > Does anyone on this list have any classic networking stuff beyond > ethernet/token thing cards? Not a lot, and mostly not by intent. Recently I got an HP9000/220U with some extra boxes that I believe are a CSU and some flavor of mux. No, it's not at all clear to me why they were piled together into one lot; the 9000 didn't have the right sorts of I/O for this. -Frank McConnell

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Thanks...

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

Thanks to everyone that was helping solve our PDP-11 boot problems but it seems that part of the problem was the fact that the backplane was giving out (it actually went up in smoke on friday night while we were playing with it, as did the front panel to my IMSAI, what a night that was). So again, thanks... Tony Dellett PS: If anyone in the Massachusetts/New Hampshire area has a spare RX01 that they wouldn't mind parting with, we have alot of Q-Bus cards that need a backplane :) Tony

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old modems & a packet switcher

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Hmmm. Well, I wonder about this. I know such services exist in the US < well, but they still at least have battery on the line. I would wonder < what good a dry point-to-point connection through the telco would be ove < several miles, where the resistance in that length of wire would absorb < whatever voltage you put on it. The service exists, I used to use it 25 years ago for remote base stations (radio service). It was called a dry copper pair and went point to point with NOTHING else. It had to be that way as you would put audio on it and DC on it to either key the transmitter or disable to tone squelch. the average circuit resistance ws about 1kohm/mile. So the remote end didn't sense voltage but instead sensed current (~8-9ma) and polarity to do switching. Audio was put on the pair the normal way (differential via transformer). Allison

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old modems & a packet switcher

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Okay, I've now given up hope that those old modems will ever be >> at all useful or interesting to me. So they're up for grabs, >> for the cost of postage. just a thought, but were these modems ever designed to connect to a public network? I've got a couple of old BT modems that seem to be designed to only work on a private, internal network (at least that's what the manuals imply), so maybe line voltages are different or whatever... cheers Jules

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[Fwd: Old APF Imagination Machine wanted]

by archive＠navix.net

I'm forwarding this message from another classic computer list I'm on.... I figured you folks may be able to help him out a little more. Please reply to him personally at his e-mail address given at the far bottom.... Thanks, CORD --

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In the "I have my suspicions" dept.

by william＠ans.net

I finally took a good look at that new PDP-11/23 I purchased some time ago. It seems to have some normal looking DEC cards in it (LSI-11/2, others). It does, however, have an interesting looking card set from Associated Computer Consultants, called "MDMA" (as far as I can tell). It appears to be from the mid-1980s. One card contains some sort of engine, with ROMs and (4) 2901s. The other card contains a bunch of glue and interface stuff, and has a connection to a big round military type connector (the modern versions of the Cannon connector) on the back panel of the chassis marked "IMP". Being that this computer came from a certain spooky branch of the U.S., that "IMP" looks awfully suspicious. Could this little DEC box have been slated for the ARPAnet, but came just a little too late? All I have is the processor - no drives or OS, so I can not tell much if I power it up. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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old modems & a packet switcher

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I'm surprised by this. I'd thought about ways of linking any number < of old PCs at up to 2000 foot distances, and thought about recreating a 2000ft is within the capability of RS422 at data rates that are in the megabit range. There are other simple solutions like RS423 at low data rates. The DEC mill used to have many central systems that often were remote from the users by as many as 6 floors vertically and several hundred feet horizontally. (Royalt was ML11/M1 and our group was ML3-6/A1) we still ran 4800 or 9600 serial over the 500+ feet of wire of the standard dual twisted pairs of phone co wire. The biggest problem was the possibility of ground loops. With care that's can be avoided though RS422 (balanced differential) can deal with that as can RS485. Allison

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PC-68K

by pryor＠wi.net

I have 2 of these XT bus boards, plus a PC-68K MMIO daughterboard. They are copyright 1985/1986 by N.J. Costanzo & TLM Systems, Inc. 1-meg on-board, smartwatch, no cpu or roms Can anyone provide additional information re: original use, availability of roms, system software? Any information appreciated. Jim

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Oh heck it booted

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > You don't cut it you grind it! If done on a lathe you turn the rubbe < > part and run a high speed grinder against it. It's insures it will b < > concentric and gives a smooth surface. < < In the workshops I've seen where it's handled, it's usually done with a < very sharp tool with a very acute cutting angle (I've seen razor blades < mounted in a holder for this) and lubricated with glycerine. You can if you have the right tools. Grinding is easier for most to do. I make TU58 drive wheels using thickwall rubber tube or tygon and mount the assembled result on an old tu58 motor and "grind" on a bench grinder. I get a good round smooth surface, minimal setup. The hub used is the one with the tire turned to goo, with the goo removed. < For some jobs, I've seen a tubular cutter (rather like a cork borer) < mounted in the tailstock and pressed into the workpiece, similarly < lubricated with glycerine. For general shapes its ok, the deformation affects accuracy. We used that to get the general shape (tubes or plugs) and then mounted them and did final grind. It was what the chief engineer wanted. Generally the size of the drive roller is allowed considerable latitude but roundness is desirable. Allison

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