Hi!
That sounds like what I'm looking for. Do you know if there's a date on it
anywhere? How much would you be willing to sell it for? I also have an
EGA monitor w/card, if you'd be willing to trade.
ThAnX,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:05 PM
>
>
>
> I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
> a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It has
> a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
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Let me explain: The drive that is blown plugs into the parallel port. The
drive is a Mitsumi that works, but there is something wrong with the
controller in the external box. I have a few internal Mitsumi controllers,
and they all run the drive, but the drive won't function in the external
case.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyn.ml.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:38 AM
>
>
> I've got a spare Mitsumi controller here... and a spare Mitsumi
> and a couple of Panasonics.
>
> I've been picking 'em up for $10 as is from some local joints.
>
> Bill
If you need an Atari 400 power supply, I have one. It just needs a new
plug.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
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> From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Power adapter question
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 2:05 AM
>
>
>
> On 28 Aug 1998, Marion Bates wrote:
>
> > I have a generic power adapter that's rated 9VAC, 780mA.
> ^^^^^
>
> I don't think the voltage will be a problem, but the amperage looks a
> little low on that supply.
>
> Atari supplied power supplies rated between 1.7A and a whopping 5.6A for
> the 400.
>
> The AC VIC-20 power supply I have is rated at 3A.
>
> I don't know what the actual requirements of the systems are, but I'd be
a
> little wary of using a 780mA power supply.
>
>
> Doug Spence
> ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
> http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/
>
Hey folks,
I'm going to pickup a system in a week or two, and it's got RL02 Drives.
I haven't seen one of these in years. Any shipping hints, locking
screws,
etc?
Thanks.
John Lawson was kind enough to forward the attached missive to me.
Nothing on the list that I can use, but others may have need. If so,
contact the original author (William Hunt) directly.
Thanks in advance.
-=-=- <snip> -=-=-
> From: wjh(a)user2.teleport.com (William Hunt)
> Newsgroups: pdx.forsale,comp.os.cpm,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.misc,alt.technology.obsolete
> Subject: FREE antique computer manuals (1975-1981)
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> Summary: Free is a very good price
> Keywords: MPSI BOS DEC DG antique computer
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>
> FREE Antique Computer Manuals 1975-1981
>
> MPSI (copies of originals)
> - MicroCobol Systems Manual
> - BOS/5 User Manual
> - MicroCobol Interface Manual
>
> Data General
> - User's Manual Introduction to Programming the Nova Computers
> - Stand-Alone Operating System User's Manual
> - User's Manual BATCH
> - Real Time Operating System Reference Manual
> - Disk Operating System (DOS) Reference Manual
> - Introduction to the Real Time Disk Operating System
> - Real Time Disk Operating System (RDOS) Reference Manual
> - How to Load and Generate Your Nova-Line RDOS System
> - RDOS/DOS Command Line Interpreter User's Manual
> - Business BASIC Reference Manual
> - Extended Basic User's Manual
> - Extended Basic System Manager's Guide
>
> Digital Equipement Corp.
> - PDP-11/05, 11/10 computer manual
> - RK05 disk drive maintenance manual
>
> ==Free== to anyone crazy enough to take them;
> Shipping/Handling beyond Portland Oregon region is extra;
> --
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<You might compile, but it won't work - it's hard to map more than 64 kby
< at a time on a -11, and Bob Supnik's emulator assumes that there are
< no such silly limitations.
No need (or sense) to compile for an -11 as it is a PDP-11!
On the oft side compiling something big like that is still possible on
an -11, but your going to have to do it in peices and link them
afterwards.
Allison
>Of course you realize what I'm now wondering is if I can compile the
>emulator code on a PDP-11 using DECUS C or Whitesmith C....
You might compile, but it won't work - it's hard to map more than 64 kbytes
at a time on a -11, and Bob Supnik's emulator assumes that there are
no such silly limitations.
Converting DECUS C to split I&D might get you a bit closer to 64 kbytes,
but it still won't agree with Bob's emulator.
Tim.
>I'm not sure about gcc specifically, but there are directions in the docs
>for building it under VMS. Bob Supnik works for DEC, after all! (Well,
>COMPAQ I suppose... :-( )
Not just directions for building on VMS... there should be a set of .COM
files which do it for you.
BTW - Did the makefile I wrote ever make it into the distributed emulator
kit?
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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--- You wrote:
On 28 Aug 1998, Marion Bates wrote:
> I have a generic power adapter that's rated 9VAC, 780mA.
^^^^^
I don't think the voltage will be a problem, but the amperage looks a
little low on that supply.
Atari supplied power supplies rated between 1.7A and a whopping 5.6A for
the 400.
The AC VIC-20 power supply I have is rated at 3A.
I don't know what the actual requirements of the systems are, but I'd be a
little wary of using a 780mA power supply.
--- end of quote ---
Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I HAD read what the amperage should be, but I guess I had a brain cramp when I ordered that 780mA job. Maybe I couldn't resist the price -- $2.50 from American Science and Surplus.
Just ordered the right ones this afternoon, one from somebody on the list and one from a guy in Minnesota (no, not the jerk that withheld the specs from me, another guy). Thanks for correcting me. :)
-- MB
Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes pictured
with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide) external
drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high. I'm not
sure if they were manufactured by IBM or not. I need it for my 5170 AT.
I'm also looking for an original IBM 5170 AT keyboard.
ThAnX in advance,
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
None of those were meant for the list. My manners aren't as bad as
they seem to be :)
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It's dated 1986. Be warned that it has no drivers. I pluged the
controller in today, and it does seem to do something, but DOS can't
find it by itself. Where are you located? This is quite large. I would
give it to you for the price of shipping and certain items which we
can discuss (I am in Boston). I wonder if I would find the Mitsumi
that you have useful for my laptop...
>That sounds like what I'm looking for. Do you know if there's a date
on it
>anywhere? How much would you be willing to sell it for? I also have
an
>EGA monitor w/card, if you'd be willing to trade.
>
>ThAnX,
>--
> -Jason
>(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
> ICQ#-1730318
>
>----------
>> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
>> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:05 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
>> a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It
has
>> a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
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At 02:13 AM 8/7/98 -0500, Doug wrote:
>With all of the billionaires overbidding on ebay, Altairs are coming out
>of the woodwork! This should be interesting. Two are for sale (one from
>our own jimw), both have a "reserve", and one has a starting bid of $2500
>which has already been met! I think that's a record for an Altair, isn't
>it? So much for the old supply and demand theories.
>
The one for $2500 says the reserve has not been met!!! At that price, maybe MITS
should start up again!
The Imsai is $305 right now, for the person looking for one.
-Dave
I _AM_ my local overpriced computer store, and I don't have any! Can you ask
'em for me, please?
Thanks,
manney
>
>> Grant sent me some, but they weren't teeny tiny enough. These are 3/32"
>> across, but the pins are only about 1/16" tall. Anyone have any?
>> Thanks
>> manney(a)lrbcg.com
>
>hmm, my local overpriced computer store has em for sale...
>i doubt they are that hard to find.
>
Well, I don't think it was made exactly for the AT, but I know that I've
seen them in old pictures with an AT. I'm not sure about the date, and I
don't think they were made by IBM, either.
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
----------
> From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: WTB: OLD Cd-Rom
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 7:19 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-08-29 02:16:04 EDT, you write:
>
> << Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card,
and a
> Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of
the
> drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
> party accessory). >>
>
> a cd rom for a 5170? that machine was announced ~1984 and IBM didnt have
a cd
> rom drive for an option way back then.
The Northstar Advantage I purchased arrived today. Fired it up, booted
into Graphic CP/M 2.2. Everything seems to work peachy!
Don Maslin, the boot disk you sent me was for a single floppy drive plus
HD system. Would you like me to send you a copy of the Dual Floppy boot
disk I made?
Tony
I haven't seen the particular pictures that you refer to but I have
a weird DATEXT cd with the width of the case about that of an AT. It has
a card too. Never tried it, but it turns on fine.
>Hello. I'm looking for one of the OLD CD-Rom's that are sometimes
pictureded
>with old IBM's in TAB books. They are the old, big (well, wide)
external i
>drives that were in a case about 12-18" wide, and about 3-4" high. I'm
not
>sure if they were manufactured by IBM or not. I need it for my 5170
AT.
>
>I'm also looking for an original IBM 5170 AT keyboard.
>
>ThAnX in advance,
>--
> -Jason
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> What no room for an internal? If you have a sound card with a proprietry
> interface connection you could drop it right in. Bet you wish you had the
tandy
> set now, huh?
>
Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card, and a
Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of the
drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
party accessory).
--
-Jason
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#-1730318
>I've also got problems with KED saving wierd strings of words to my data
>files when I save a text file. I'm about ready to hook one of my VT
>terminals up to the P2 so I've got an actual DEC terminal that I can run
>this stuff on and see if that helps, but it is a MAJOR pain to get to the
>back of the system to plug the cable in :^(
This must be a real bug in the emulator - I've seen this (random junk
past end-of-file) happen too. It seems to have no effect outside of KED,
strangely enough.
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--- Poesie De La Fenetre wrote:
well, I missed the meeting of you TC folks. But my excuse is valid... I
picked up a mac Quadra 950, w/ tons of cool A/V stuff, and a 21 inch
supermac monitor. Nothing 10 years old, except one of the hard drives- a
1.2 gig micropolis scsi made in 1987. huge.
so, be that as it may, I cannot get the system to boot correctly with
both the boot drive and this other drive hooked up at once. not a scsi
ID conflict; if i unplug the big old micropolis, it boots, and i can
plug it back in while it's running and it's accessable. it's not marked
as a boot disk, a startup disk, and it has no system software on it. I'm
lost.
--- end of quote ---
Could be a termination thing. Sometimes drives that used to be internal get used as externals, but they still have the termination jumper "on" which renders them unrecognizable to the system (don't know why it comes up when you hot-swap it, though). I think the termination jumper pins are usually labelled "T1."
-- MB
< It would appear that I am in dire need of some guidance in how to bring
< up my MicroVAX 2000. To bring things up to a current baseline, it is
< equipped with 14Mb of RAM, an RD54 HD, external connection option, and
< has a TK50Z-FA connected to it.
So far a fine machine.
< I have on hand several tapes for VMS - v5.4 and 5.5 - most but not all
< say that they are binary. Some are characterized as 'mandatory update'
Good!
< At any rate, after inserting the tape (#1) in the drive, closing the
< door, and pressing the illuminated red pushbutton, I enter 'b/1 mua0' a
< the terminal. After some passage of time (accompanied by whirring
< sounds and flashing lights), I see on the screen:
<
< -MUA0
Oops! It may be other than MUA0 or could be MKA7 (try 0-7 for both).
< Then later:
<
< %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
< %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2
< 84 FAIL
That means wrong or unusable device, or wrong media. If you do a T 50
you get a map of devices. so you know:
One line that gives looks like this:
FFFFF03 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05 FFFFF05
The FFFFF03 is the address of the tape, in this case device 0. the 05s
means no device at that address.
MM memory management
NI eithernet module
NVR battery backed up ram
TPC tape controller
DZ serial line controller
FP Floating point
HDC hard disks/floppies
4pln 4 plane graphics coprocessor
8pln 8 plane graphics coporcessor
MONO monochrome video (bare bones)
DUA0 is the hard disk which has ???? on it.
Allison
< On one hand, your friend could learn how to use a unix machine to
< get the files and unpack them, and on the other hand, maybe someone
< should take all the files which comprise the current kit and create
< an equivalent .zip file and put it on gatekeeper...
Or behind the third do there is gunzip and detar for DOS. Also available
for most of the same archives as the Supnik emulators.
Allison
In a message dated 98-08-29 03:20:00 EDT, you write:
<< >> You neglect to mention the begathons every PBS station does for at
> > least two weeks every quarter.
> That's true (and they are very annoying). So there is a downside to PBS.
> I wonder if they're telling the whole truth about their money policies
during
> those pledge drives? I'd really like to know more details about where they
> get their money and how they spend it.
-- Derek >>
how does this fit into classiccmp?
In a message dated 98-08-29 02:16:04 EDT, you write:
<< Not really. There's room for an internal, and I have a sound card, and a
Mitsumi external w/ a blown controller. I'm just trying to find one of the
drives that could originally be purchased with the AT (or at least a 3rd
party accessory). >>
a cd rom for a 5170? that machine was announced ~1984 and IBM didnt have a cd
rom drive for an option way back then.
>"This instrument can teach, it can illuminate;
> Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so
> only to the extent that humans are determined
> to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is
> merely lights and wires in a box."
> - Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976
I love it... succinct, and entirely lost with today's
generation who expects that computers can do anything,
right out of the box. Actually, I remember a few
people who thought the same way a few decades ago
as well...
On the other hand, I've also had people respond to me
that "That can't be done on our computer," when I've
made some suggestion. I always respond with, "Yes,
it could be done if a programmer took the time to
write the code."
It's amazing how much and how little people think
computers can do... quite a paradox.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
well, I missed the meeting of you TC folks. But my excuse is valid... I
picked up a mac Quadra 950, w/ tons of cool A/V stuff, and a 21 inch
supermac monitor. Nothing 10 years old, except one of the hard drives- a
1.2 gig micropolis scsi made in 1987. huge.
so, be that as it may, I cannot get the system to boot correctly with
both the boot drive and this other drive hooked up at once. not a scsi
ID conflict; if i unplug the big old micropolis, it boots, and i can
plug it back in while it's running and it's accessable. it's not marked
as a boot disk, a startup disk, and it has no system software on it. I'm
lost.
Forgive my non-ancient computer babbling (1992, that's 6 yrs... seems
like a lot more to me, however :)
-Eric
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Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and
invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without
owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would
own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for
the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders
like this?
>
>Elmer Keith was a well known gunsmith and magazine writer (was it Guns
&
>Ammo?). Among other things he's credited with inventing the .44 magnum
>pistol round (IIRC) in 1955.
> Jack Peacock
>
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too:
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In the body of the message:
subscribe classiccmp cmcmanis(a)freegate.com
Everyone else already on the list, see below my sig for Chuck's original
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:11 -0700
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com>
Reply-To: baccl(a)retronet.net
To: Bay Area Computer Collectors List <baccl(a)retronet.net>
Subject: PDP-8 memory stack
Hello,
I'm new to this list (Sam Ismail suggested I join it), allow me to
introduce myself. I'm an engineer at a startup (FreeGate Corp) and have
been using computers since 1972 when I first laid hands on a PDP-8/e.
Since then I've used a variety of them (still have the boards, docs and
cassette tapes, from a Digital Grourp Z-80 system, my first computer.)
I am the Executive Director for the Society for the Preservation Of
Classic Computers (SPOCC). My current project for the society is to seek
charitable status under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.
My current restoration project is a PDP-8/m that is, sadly, without
memory. I've been looking around for a 4K stack for about 1.5 months
now. Progress to date includes buying a stack from Keyways Inc
(www.keyways.com) but having only the Core section work (the sense amps
and xy drivers are not working correctly) These boards are labelled G104
and G227 in DEC flip chip parlance. If you know of anyone who has a
working core stack, I'd be interested to hear about it. I paid Keyways
$75 each (to be refunded since they don't work) for these boards. I've
paid $10/each for "AS-IS" boards. DEC claims they have replacement stock
available at $1800. (a bit much for me...)
--Chuck
Since the Challenger explosion, NASA policy has been not to perform
shuttle launches for the purpose of delivering communications
sattelites.
>> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
>> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
>> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
>> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
>> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
>> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
>> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
>> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
>> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
>I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by
>a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one
>which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers,
>etc.
>
>> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's
very
>> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
>> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
>> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a
toy
>> like that.
>
>So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have
>been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe
>it was a communicates satellite.
>
>BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle...
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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|
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|
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|
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|
>| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg
|
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The September issue of PC World makes a very good point. 'Privacy'
is not mentioned in the Constitution. And while you're outraged at
invasions of privacy, read some Noam Chomsky and find out what you
should be angry at even more... (Chomsky Reader or via web search for
'Noam Chomsky').
> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Deja vu
>Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
>Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
>
> > Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would
guess
> > some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> > seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> > computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> > they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
> Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how
many
> was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the
past
> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
> like that.
>
> Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that
someone
> out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
> snipped or something, know what I mean?
>
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>I can make a 16-bit version if someone throws the complete source my way.
>If there are problems I won't go into them because I just don't have
>time, but if it compiles straight on the first try then of course I'll
>stash the .EXE where ever it would be appropriate for others to get at.
Why should anyone have to toss it to you... it is available over the
web at
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/digital/sim/sources/
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Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
Marty
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Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
> Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
> some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how many
was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the past
several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
like that.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that someone
out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
snipped or something, know what I mean?
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Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>> desk top analog computers that got us
>> into space the first time.
>
>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
>
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At 08:52 PM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>> I see another rocket has blown up.
>>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>>> desk top analog computers that got us
>>> into space the first time.
>>
>>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
>
>It is... the Taelons don't want us in space... :-)
>
Hmm, this looks like a job for agent Fox Mulder . . .
But a Minuteman has to perform targeting operations, and thrust
control, because it had to hit something. An orbital launch system
should (I know little about this) be simpler. I'm sure there are
seals of some sort in every rocket. Just that we only hear about them
>from the Challenger incident. And all seals can crack. But if this
was a maiden flight of a new vehicle none of this is necessary. New
technology is naturally less reliable than old, perfected technology.
>Cracked seals were specific to the solid booters of the Shuttle launch
>system.
>
>< seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
>< computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
>< they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
>B0y are you wrong. rocket/missle technology was using computer
hardware
>as early as the late 50s. I know the first hardware I could actually
hack
>was from a minutman missle a rather strange serial word/math disk based
>machine that wasn't fast but apparently enough to do the job.
>
>
>Allison
>
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< Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
< some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
Cracked seals were specific to the solid booters of the Shuttle launch
system.
< seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
< computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
< they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
B0y are you wrong. rocket/missle technology was using computer hardware
as early as the late 50s. I know the first hardware I could actually hack
was from a minutman missle a rather strange serial word/math disk based
machine that wasn't fast but apparently enough to do the job.
Allison
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>D'oh. I do very much hope hope that the license turns out to be legit.
>After all, I have absolutely no desire to make any commercial use or gain
>out of the emulator or the Mentec software. It's purely non-commercial,
>purely educational, and fun.
I hope so too...
>Megan, could you put in a good word for us emu-weenies?
If I had any influence with people at Mentec, I would... but I'm just as
much one of the weenies in their eyes as anyone...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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Guys:
How many of you out there have a North Star Horizon?
I have one in seriously distressed condition, but
it may be useful for parts, or possibly for someone
who wants to embark on a *serious* restoration
project.
Jeff
Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
>Megan says she has a V5.3 of RT-11 to be made available.
>And I think someone else just mentioned that they had acquired
>a set of RX50 for V5.3 of RT-11. Happy computing.
The only problem I have right now is the fact that the person I contacted
at Mentec (who is one of three who are responsible for pdp-11 stuff) was
entirely unaware of this license. I had to fax him a copy and he is
checking it out...
Until that time, I can't do anything (and I advise others to wait
as well, otherwise they can open themselves up to legal recourse).
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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>> I see another rocket has blown up.
>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>> desk top analog computers that got us
>> into space the first time.
>
>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
It is... the Taelons don't want us in space... :-)
Seriously, it carried the supposed replacement for the satellite which
had problems a few months ago and caused a beeper outage for millions
of subscribers... the company is a connecticut company...
Of course, the satellite was covered by insurance (gee, maybe that
is what brought it down... :-)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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