- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

All is OK! Even the power supply is quiet now. I think it may have been squealing only when the full load wasn't being drawn (I had both drives disconnected) and only for a few seconds after power-up. Anyway, the problem with the LCD panel was really nothing. The new connector simply needed to mate with longer pins to make proper contact. The pins at the back of the LCD panel were long enough, but the ones inside the machine were not. I ground down the connector a little bit and it works now. I also fully disassembled the casing to get at the variable resistor that controls the "contrast", because it was so dirty that I couldn't get a stable picture at all. I used an aerosol contact cleaner on it. I did find a loose paperclip during the disassembly. Hopefully it didn't do any damage while it was in there. The picture is now stable and clear. I used to get corrupted characters and strange lines on the display at seemingly random times, but I used the machine for at least six hours straight tonight and it never came back. The screen also used to be sensitive to movement and its position, and now it doesn't care if I grab it and flip it up while I'm using it. I'm guessing that several other wires were in the process of working loose. The screen is just naturally hard to read, but not nearly as hard as it was. The contrast has to be adjusted according to the user's viewpoint, and it's not always possible to clearly see the whole screen at once (especially up close). At some contrast settings, dark patches appear on the screen. Also, areas of the screen react to what is being displayed on other areas with a kind of ghosting, which can be a little distracting when the contents of the screen are busy. I'm guessing that this is normal for this technology. One really cool thing is that the characters appear to "float" on the screen. I think I can confirm a 1988 date for both construction and purchase. Most of the parts with identifiable date stamps that I looked at had date stamps of late '87 or the first few weeks of '88. Also, the contents of the hard drive which I never inspected very thoroughly (because of the screen) included personal and business (including many local businesses that I know) tax records from 1987 through to 1991. And yes, I did delete files of that nature as I found them. There were approximately 16MB worth of accounting files, and only software that would be useful in accounting, so clearly this was an accountant's machine. I'm a bit disturbed by the implications of finding such information at a garage sale. There is something strange about the display, BTW. It has externally-accessible dip switches. Four of them. And there's a note taped inside the panel that certain pieces of software require a certain switch setting. I attempted to install GeoWorks 1.00 and found that its installation program is one of the programs that needs that switch setting. :/ And no, I didn't get GeoWorks running, because I don't have a PC-compatible mouse. :/ (I picked up GeoWorks at the Goodwill this week.) Anyway, I'm still up because I've been watching the news all night. <shudder> Had it not been for that, I probably would have reported back with my success a lot sooner. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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by franke＠sbs.de

>> In terms of copyright there is no thing like >> 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual >> property) is always originated by natural persons, >> And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) >> is closed and no legal successor is available the rights >> return to the original Author/Inventor. > What happens if the author/inventor dies? It comes to inheritance. In fact, even copyright vanishes, but not before at least 50 Years. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>>if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. >>Such grave pronouncements. You might as well argue that they >>shouldn't throw away their drafts. Fact is, they do. Once the >>book is in print, they've got a real copy. What compelling >>reason did he have to save the old floppy version? It's not >>as if he thought there was any demand for a second edition. >>Computer books come and go in six weeks these days. > These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is > successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The > compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want > to go back and edit something. First, not everybody is collecting everything :) Second, for a sequent edition you will use the medias from the publisher, or jur write the changes in one copy and give it to the publisher (And if you're very successful, you just tell him via phone wat to change :). Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!- Prototypes

by russmiller＠jps.net

Dave Hick's fantastic HP calculator museum has an interesting page and images of design studies and prototypes of a few HP desktop calculators which illustrate how realistic some prototyping methods can be. http://www.teleport.com/~dgh/designs/designs.htm > >As for computer cases, early models were probably handmade; it's not that >hard. Take a run to your local Tap Plastics store. You can pick up all >kinds/sizes of plastics that can then be made into just about anything. >Also, model car/plane/boat shops probably have stuff to let you work with >plastics. > >Even metal cases aren't that hard; I have a friend who built, as one of his >first projects, an amazing set of cabinets/shelves for his Land Rover out >of aluminum. Some simple tools are required, but nothing earth-shattering. > >I was talking to someone recently (Rax?) about building a custom >wood-glass-and-brass case for a computer. Not that hard to build your >first one in a plywood case, then worry about the production cases once >you've got financing. (Of course, just make sure that cable going to the >vax behind the curtain doesn't show! 8^) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > >

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OT RE: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM! ;]

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:31 PM 8/26/98 PDT, you wrote: >Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and >invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without >owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would >own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for >the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders >like this? Well, reloading is a popular sport -- you take used cartridges, cast your own bullets (heat metal, pour into molds), and combine them with as much gunpowder as you like. Modifying the casing wouldn't be too hard, I imagine for anyone with any basic metalworking skills, nor would altering the bullet mold. As for computer cases, early models were probably handmade; it's not that hard. Take a run to your local Tap Plastics store. You can pick up all kinds/sizes of plastics that can then be made into just about anything. Also, model car/plane/boat shops probably have stuff to let you work with plastics. Even metal cases aren't that hard; I have a friend who built, as one of his first projects, an amazing set of cabinets/shelves for his Land Rover out of aluminum. Some simple tools are required, but nothing earth-shattering. I was talking to someone recently (Rax?) about building a custom wood-glass-and-brass case for a computer. Not that hard to build your first one in a plywood case, then worry about the production cases once you've got financing. (Of course, just make sure that cable going to the vax behind the curtain doesn't show! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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TI Compact Computer 40

by fauradon＠pclink.com

So what is it? Any model number on the machine? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:05 PM Subject: Re: TI Compact Computer 40 > > > > >I said it was _like_ a model 100, not an actual 100. It's very >different, but the idea is similar.

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LCD woes

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I remember some laptop that had a special key combination to switch from LCD to external monitor. You could not have both at the same time. Look for extra feature keys (usually accessed by pressing a special FN key). Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Rutledge <ecloud(a)goodnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:00 PM Subject: Re: LCD woes >> Anyway, the machine has a special card in it for driving the LCD panel. >> It is labeled "LCD & HGC CARD". What is "HGC"? It has an external 9-pin > >Probably "Hercules Graphics Card" - Hercules made the original >mono graphics card that was cloned a lot and most cards for driving >mono monitors are that variety. It gives you 720 x 4?? dots >with each pixel being on or off. As well as being compatible >with the original IBM PC mono video card (which had only text mode). >It does use a 9-pin connector. > >> port on it and I tried plugging the monochrome display into it, but the >> picture was all distorted so I figured it was using a different frequency >> or something. The cursor comes out about an inch wide, and none of the >> craracters are recognizable, possibly just from overwritten numerous times >> in the same scanline. > >Hmmm are you sure the monitor is OK? >> >> Oh, and BTW, I electrocuted myself last night when I touched some exposed >> wiring going to the LCD panel. It surprised me that there was that much > >Is it backlit? Fluorescent backlights use relatively high voltage. > >-- > _______ KB7PWD @ KC7Y.AZ.US.NOAM ecloud(a)goodnet.com > (_ | |_) Shawn T. Rutledge on the web: http://www.goodnet.com/~ecloud > __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ >* X window * virtual reality * knowledge base * ham radio * electronics * >

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Deja vu

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I see another rocket has blown up. Looks like it's time to break out those desk top analog computers that got us into space the first time. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery Sunnyvale,CA http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; Yes,and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely lights and wires in a box." - Micro68 computer User's Manual,EPA Inc. 1976 =========================================

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FREE to a good home (you pay shipping)- Terminals

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

FREE (yup, just shipping is all) to a good home....temrinals! One, two or all. 1 - DEC model VT100, no keyboard but great shape and working. About 32 lbs shipping weight 2 - Visual model 102 complete with keyboard, great shape and working. About 35 lbs shipping 3 - Texas Instruments model 911VDT, no keyboard. Great shape and working. About 28 lbs shipping NOTE....They go to that terrible place that many other unwanted machines go soon - the DUMPSTER OF DEATH if I don't get a firm response before long. I've held back >from dumping them as I know someone out there has a use for one or all of them. Shipping will be calculated by USPS parcel post rates from me in zip 40144 to you and prepayment by money order or cashier's check is required. I will ship the same or next day as I recieve payment. If you want any of these contact me by direct email SOON. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>> In terms of copyright there is no thing like >> 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual >> property) is always originated by natural persons, >> And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) >> is closed and no legal successor is available the rights >> return to the original Author/Inventor. > >What happens if the author/inventor dies? I just went through a huge ordeal similiar to this in trying to get Resnova's NovaServer (BBS server) put into the public domain. The following, of course, does not constitute legal advice. ;-) To quote Peter E. Converse: ---Start Quote--- When you say that ResNova "no longer exists in any way shape or form", that may mean several different things. It may mean that ResNova has gone through a Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation, that its corporate charter has been allowed to lapse, or merely that its operations have been abandoned. Each of these possibilities leads to several different outcomes. First, if ResNova is bankrupt, any intellectual property (like NovaServer) would pass temporarily through the hands of a bankruptcy trustee, receiver or debtor-in-possession. Then, this person probably would have attempted to sell this intellectual property to satisfy the debts of the company. If ResNova is still going through a bankruptcy, you could contact the trustee or receiver by checking federal Bankruptcy records. Second, if ResNova's corporate charter has been allowed to lapse (which is what I think you mean, if I had to bet), that corporation still owns the intellectual property in question, even though it no longer exists under the laws of the state of incorporation (subject to my comments about abandonment below). You might be able to arrange to purchase or license the IP by contacting the officers of the company. To find out who they are, you could contact the Secretary of State of the state in which Resnova was originally incorporated. This would probably be the State of its primary operations, or, alternatively, Delaware, NY or Calif. Any Secretary of State will tell you, over the phone, the name of the registered agent (prob an attorney or officer of the company) who could help you arrange a purchase or license. Third, if ResNova's shareholders, officers, directors and creditors have all disappeared, you might be able to treat this intellectual property as having been "abandoned." Unfortunately, if you do so, you may be subjecting yourself to legal liability for unlicensed use of the IP in the event that any of these folks turn up later. The burden in court would be placed on you to prove that you made a rigorous effort to find the owners and that they really had abandoned the asset. I would suggest making thorough investigations as described in the above two paragraphs before simply assuming that the asset has been abandoned. Of course, you should understand that this information is merely general and is not legal advice rendered as to specific facts. You should probably consult an attorney before taking any actions in this matter. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. I represent a number of software developers, consultants, consumer product marketers and IT professionals. Good Luck. Peter E. Converse The Law Offices of Peter E. Converse 8 South Michigan Avenue Suite 2600 Chicago, Illinois 60603 (312) 214-0661 (312) 332-0600 Fax convers(a)interaccess.com ---End Quote--- -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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re RAMs

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

For anyone who was wondering, those RAM chips I was offering for free found a home in a computer at the Red Cross courtesy of Russ. Thanks. Beats the heck out of throwing them out. :) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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WORLD OF ATARI '98...WALKING THROUGH THE PARK AND REMINISCING

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 07:29 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >You bet I was there...what an incredible time! It was a >fantastic event and well worth enduring the 110? heat! Cool! Next Saturday our local Atari club meeting will be centered around stories from the folks that went. >Don Thomas has posted an excellent account Saw that and a couple of others; it did sound like fun! >I myself will be posting pictures as soon as they are scanned... Excellent! Let us know when they're up! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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by franke＠sbs.de

>>> (Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) >> Jup, but acording to your ridiculous justice this means >> bancrupcy for the next 3 generation to anyon of 'Us'. > Not necessarily. I think some of this old technology could arguably be > considered in the public domain, with companies having folded, owners > having died, etc. Case in point: the IMSAI 8080. I think whatever > vestiges of ownership of the IMSAI 8080 have been lost to time after the > transformation into ComputerLand, the subsequent bankruptcy and then the > re-birth of ComputerLand as Vanguard. This is what I gather after having > read the book _Once Upon a Time in Computerland_. In terms of copyright there is no thing like 'lost ownership' Copyright (and other intelectual property) is always originated by natural persons, And if any kind of licencee (company, temopral owner) is closed and no legal successor is available the rights return to the original Author/Inventor. > Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed > Roberts? WHat happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? Don't know, but they are not free. Sad but true. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

These days, but I think 1983 is a little different. And if a book is successfull, why wouldn't they think about a second edition. The compelling reason to save a floppy version is that they might want to go back and edit something. >>if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. > >Such grave pronouncements. You might as well argue that they >shouldn't throw away their drafts. Fact is, they do. Once the >book is in print, they've got a real copy. What compelling >reason did he have to save the old floppy version? It's not >as if he thought there was any demand for a second edition. >Computer books come and go in six weeks these days. > >- John > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I said it was _like_ a model 100, not an actual 100. It's very different, but the idea is similar. >Yes the RS-232 is fully complient.. I use mine all the time.. >Goto www.TRS-80.com you will find out all you need there.. >Even a Model 100 user's club on the internet.. > >Phil... > >Max Eskin wrote: >> >> I was just given one. It's a little Tand Model 100-like thing, it >> came with a user's guide and some kind of book for learning BASIC. >> Unfortunately, the manual is rather selective. Could someone tell me >> if I can use the serial port on the back for RS-232 communications, >> and what are the pin equivalents? If not, is there any kind of >> modification that could be made? Also, does anyone have any software >> cartridges for it they would be willing to send me? What is assembly >> like for this processor? Does anyone have any comments about it? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

if an author is proud of his book, he won't trash the manuscripts. > >On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, John Foust wrote: > >> who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. >> Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. >> They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, >> Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari >> floppies that had held his manuscript. > >This is something I hadn't considered. The authors of some of the most >classic of computer books (I could name a bunch of Apple ones, like >_Benath Apple DOS_ for one) should be contacted and asked to hold onto >their original manuscripts if they still have them. While it wouldn't be >a total loss if they are thrown out, since at least the book survives in >thousands of coipies, it would be nice to have the original manuscript >around in digital form to be preserved for millenia. > >I wonder if this is something we could turn into a concerted effort, a >drive to root out old computer book authors, or if anyone is really >interested. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 08/25/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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LCD woes

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

HGC _could_ stand for Hercules Graphics Controller. I don't know. The display... are you sure you haven't shorted anything with solder? Have you tried using a VOM in O mode to directly stimulate the display? Touching it to various pins should get various lines to appear. >'fixing' my portable '286 box with LCD display (which I think is _barely_ >classic). > >The cable leading to the display had had three of its wires pulled out, >and I figured that this was the reason for the very weak and grungy >display. > >I managed to solder little bits of wire into the holes and solder the >stray wires from the cable onto those, but then I realized that I couldn't >plug the thing in anymore as the holes (from the underside) had filled >with solder. :/ > >And I also realized that my solution was a bad one because the protruding >wires would short against the metal frame that holds the LCD panel in >place. > >So I used the connector from the C64 keyboard instead. > >Anyway, I got the cable rebuilt. I've tested it with the multimeter and >all the wires make contact and go to the right places. > >But now I can't get any kind of display from the LCD panel. It doesn't >light up at all. It looks like it's totally dead. > >I put a monochrome display adapter card in the machine, and it will boot >up with that and display fine on a monochrome monitor. So the machine is >_mostly_ OK. > >I'm not sure the power supply is OK, though. It squeals now. > >So basically, I've turned an ill-looking display into a dead display, and >for some reason a healthy power supply is now sounding sick. > >Bleah! > >Anyway, the machine has a special card in it for driving the LCD panel. >It is labeled "LCD & HGC CARD". What is "HGC"? It has an external 9-pin >port on it and I tried plugging the monochrome display into it, but the >picture was all distorted so I figured it was using a different frequency >or something. The cursor comes out about an inch wide, and none of the >craracters are recognizable, possibly just from overwritten numerous times >in the same scanline. > >I don't know where I'll go from here. I'm just taking a breather >before continuing. I wanted to be rebuilding the TS1016 RAM pack by now >instead of still messing with this damn PC. <s> > >Oh, and BTW, I electrocuted myself last night when I touched some exposed >wiring going to the LCD panel. It surprised me that there was that much >juice going through there. My thumb and forefinger are still tender. But >the display was still working at that point, and looking much sharper than >it had been. But the machine wouldn't close up properly because the >connector was too thick and that's why I went back in today, just to >reverse the cable so that the big fat Commodore connector was on the >inside instead of on the LCD panel end. (Which meant pulling the connector >apart and rebuilding it the other way, just so it would fit in.) > >I haven't crossed any wires, I haven't plugged anything in backwards, and >I haven't dropped anything into the machine, so I don't know what I've >done wrong. > ><s> > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Also, who owns the rights to the Altair 8800 now? Percom? ICOM? Ed >Roberts? WHat happened after all the buyouts and bakruptcies? Which rights? The name? The design? The PC board layouts? The documentation? I would think the only things left to worry about are the name and any copyrights that might exist on the PC artwork. I doubt the actual design is protected at all - it's almost exactly what you'd get if you just took one of the Intel 8080A databooks and copied the CPU implementation. Why would anybody want to make an exact clone of the original design anyway? A couple months after the introduction of the Altair there were hundreds of garage-based businesses selling much better designed S-100 CPU's and peripherals! ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 2081

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by mbg＠world.std.com

I also have a TI-74, with all of the rom cartridges, and the PC interface... I have not yet bought the printer for it... If you use AltaVista search for "TI-74", you should get the TI web site, which will point you to another site, which is where I actually purchased the stuff from. I also got some manuals on the TI-74... they have RAM cartridges, ROM cartridges, the printer, the TI->PC interface (and software) and some other stuff as well. They also have stuff for the TI-95 (ProCalc) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>>Us. >>>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) > There are one possible way, but it isn't very safe - see below. Addendum: I'm not a lawyer - just some publishing knowledge. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>>Us. >>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) > I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable > level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed > been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could > be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim > ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish > that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without > preservation now, the asset might be truly lost. There are one possible way, but it isn't very safe - see below. > For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books > who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. > Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. > They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, > Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari > floppies that had held his manuscript. Just loosing _one_ media doesn't mean loosing copyright. If one wants to get rid of his rights, he has to proclam this in a prominent and usefull manner - like anouncing it in a state publication or any kind of aprobiate publication. Like puting an anouncement in a sourcefile. It's exactly the reverse way as claiming an title for a book or movie - If you want to avoide that someone else will use a title of a planned book, you have to anounce it in a aprobiate manner - i.e. in Germay you till put an add in the 'Boersenblatt des Deutschen Buchhandels' - a 'news'paper for publishing companies and book traders. For this case (reprinting a book), there are two and a half steps to perform: First try to get knowledge of the holder of rights. Basicly easy, since book rights are always originated by the author. Find the author, and ask if there are current licences. Apply for a licence. If he has no futher interest, he may offer it exclusive and unlimited for just a beer or two. Try to get a written statement. Geting licence doesn't include source material like disks or scripts - if they are lost, you still have to key in every letter again ... Second if you can't locate the author, or any other people possible owning actual licences or able to legitimate their rights, you are free to copy and redistribute the work. The hard term is 'unable to locate the owner' - judges (at least in Europe and especialy the US) put up very high bars to cross. You have to show that you did anything possible (Adds, writing to former publishers, companies, familie, friends, etc. searching directories). Now you can start to reproduce the book - BUT in your best interest you should take step twoandahalf: Opening a closed account (I don't know the exact US term - its an account where yo ujust put in money, but never take it back - possibly managed by a lawyer) for the author/owner of rights. Now 'just' pay the royalities into this account. If a beliveable owner of rights shows up, you just have to grant him access to this account. A possible 'new' royality agreement has to be made at this point. If the owner of rights disagrees with the summ (you have to open your books for double check sales and business regarding this licence) don't grant the access and wait for his court move. As long as your amount of saved royalities is reasonable any court decision inf favour or the owner wouldn't grant more, so be aware and don't put the royalities to low, becaus if the judge thinks so, the summs can be enormous - at leat within the strange US system. This method (step twoandahalf) can (and will) be used on any matter regarding intelectual properies - books, music ('legal' bootlegs use this to avoid geting dumped in the US) or patents (If company A won't give company B a licence, B could try it via twoandahalf - as long as they are able without support from A :) The trick is that you are NOT stealing the property - you are willing to pay, but some strange thing might hinder you. (This is even at wartime true, which leads to the very strange fact where Germany took a way more civilizated position than the US - Germany payed royalities even during the war for tecnologie used - including weapon tecnologie - while the US just declared any German patent or Trademark non existent. Some things can caus dizziness when thinking about) Ok, back to our book project: If you get the permission >from the author (like Sheldon Leemon) you're fine - don't forgett to ask if theres still a licence, maybe even a exclusive one for a publishing company, since in this case you still have to look for the (original) publisher. But regarding the KIM, with his chaotic past, a simple solution isn't available. Gruss H. Oh, and don't forgett: Even a non profit copying action is forbidden. so if a C= group, for example, make copies of the C64 ROM to distrimute within their group and friends FOR FREE, they are subject to pay royalieties. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Help on my MicroVAX 2000

by donm＠cts.com

I decided to run a number of different tapes to try to determine whether my TK50Z drive was defective or the tapes were not bootable. Below are the results of the tests. Since in each case the results are somewhat different, I conclude that the drive reads OK, and that the tapes are suspect. Does anyone have a different perspective? - don ======================= ULTRIX APPLICATION TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008 83 BOOT SYS -DUA0 -MUA0 %VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008 83 BOOT SYS ?02 EXT HLT **** Infinite loop without the halt **** PC = 00002704 >>> >>> >>> VMS APP TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2 84 FAIL >>> >>> >>> DEGAUSSED TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000001F6 84 FAIL >>> >>> >>> VMS 5.5 BIN TAPE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> b mu -MUA0 %VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765 %VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2 84 FAIL >>> Thats all folks!

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TI Compact Computer 40

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I was just given one. It's a little Tand Model 100-like thing, it came with a user's guide and some kind of book for learning BASIC. Unfortunately, the manual is rather selective. Could someone tell me if I can use the serial port on the back for RS-232 communications, and what are the pin equivalents? If not, is there any kind of modification that could be made? Also, does anyone have any software cartridges for it they would be willing to send me? What is assembly like for this processor? Does anyone have any comments about it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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HELP! (Tektronix 4052)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

The last step before I cart my Tek to Santa Clara for the VCF: Insurance. Insurance companies don't like things without a replacement value. I have asked around how much to insure it for, and Dr Dooijes (curator of the Computer Museum in Amsterdam) has suggested $3000. Anyone else have any ideas: Are there any other 4052s around? What might be the market rate? Whom else can I ask? Also, anyone have any suggestions about how to pack it for the flight? Large box with lots of foam seems to be the best idea so far. Unless I can get hold of a Tek carrying case... Philip.

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 02:22 AM 9/2/98 -0700, Sam wrote: > >Us. >(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without preservation now, the asset might be truly lost. For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript. Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading. They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example, Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari floppies that had held his manuscript. - John

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KIM/MOS-Tech

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I think this is a formidable example for all our old (pre 1980) >> toys - Almost all of the small (and even some of the big) >> manufactiurers/designers have vanished. So who owns the design, >> the ROM code, the spechial chip designs, the manuals and any >> other soft ? > Us. *g* Toys R Us ! > (Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.) Jup, but acording to your ridiculous justice this means bancrupcy for the next 3 generation to anyon of 'Us'. Still searching H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by franke＠sbs.de

> I thought I was the only one who owned a TI-74. I'm looking for the > specs too. TI does mention some authorized service centers on their web > page for the TI-74. I haven't got a chance to contact any of them for > information. I have one, and 4 spare printers (fleamarket haul). > Check out: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/7495.htm Marysville, WA is kind of down under from Muenchen, Bavaria :) > ---------------------------- > Zu denken ist gut, dass Sie sind gut :)) Knapp daneben ist auch vorbei. Altavista or German lessons ? -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Today's haul and HP heads-up..

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Today I saved from the mythical Company Dumpster the following Stuff: DEC uVAX II/RC in 4' cab with Cipher Digital horiz. 9trk drive. Printronix P 300 Line Printer (from long-gone Prime Mainframe) Hewlett Packard : (2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall. An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000. (1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition) Heads Up part: I do not particularly want the HP stuff, I took it to be nice to the warehouse foreman (to whom it's just junk he has to move around). SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp.... WANTS: Unibus 9trk formatter card for Kennedy 9300, or preferably a TE16 and cards in SoCal or thereabouts. Need vacuum column door for abovementione Kennedy... or a whole 'nother drive... I'm not picky. MINC stuff. FSW Votrax (commercial Version) for PDP-11. An 11/750 w/magtape.... ? Cheers John

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Today's haul and HP heads-up..

by fmc＠reanimators.org

John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> wrote: > (2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall. I'm thinking these are largish floor-standing units (about half washing-machine size) good for about 120MB. They could have cartridge tape drives in them too, do they? > An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000. 9144 is an HP cartridge tape drive. A 3000 in that sort of cabinet is probably a Series 37 or Micro 3000, a little departmental system good for about eight terminals. Should have a key for the front panel and I hope it's there because fabricating it could be a problem (it is a small metal strip with indentations drilled in but not through its larger faces). > (1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition) 300LPM printer, could be serial or HP-IB or maybe parallel (with a 50-pin telco connector) though I only remember the parallel on its bigger faster cousins. If serial, it would be usable with other things; I think it speaks something like PCL but certainly not the PCL of the many-DPI printers. Used to use one as a remote serial printer hung off a 3000 and it was very reliable. > SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more > than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp.... I'm not quite SoCal (a little bit north of San Jose) and won't be able to make it down there for a little while. Plus IDDD (I Don't Do DEC) and so don't have any of the stuff you're interested in for a swap. Also I have two 3000/37s of my own. So I won't be hurt if someone else gets 'em, in fact that's part of the reason I am writing this message, to help other folks down there figure out what this stuff is. -Frank McConnell

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FW: Freebies available! Santa Fe, NM (I think)

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Looks like a good bunch of DEC freebies (at least to non-profit folks) available in Santa Fe, NM (at least if the Santa Fe Institute moniker is any indication). Please contact this fellow directly if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Phillip Williams" <phdevaxvms(a)roadrunner.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: its that time again Date: 2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT Organization: Santa Fe Institute Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bdd62d$f7f45820$df733bc6@pilar> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial531.roadrunner.com X-Trace: santaclara.santafe.edu 904712691 23951 209.12.73.131 (2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)santafe.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1998 05:04:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.fiber.net!news-stk-2.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.128.37.8!feeder.lobo.net!feeder.swcp.com!fugu!SantaFe!not-for-mail well its time to go thru and sell or trade some stuff RA92 qty 4 LN03Rs qty 2 DECstations 5000 qty 2 VT1300 qty 2 VT240 with modem (wow 1200 bps) qty 2 RX33 qty 4 BA200 with 16 megs KA650, QDSS, KDA50,CXA16,TK70, 2 RA70s with OpenVMS 5.5-2 DECwindows/DECwrite/C/BASIC/FORTRAN/KERMIT Once again if you are a none profit org and can arrange for pickup its free and if you are a Homeless vet center then I'll pick up the price!!! phillip AfterMidNight BBS 56k connection with v90 with 30 megs of disk space and free web pages IF YOU KNOW OF ANY VET THATS HOMELESS OR JUST DOWN AND OUT WE OFFER FREE RESUME AND INTERNET ACCESS.

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FWD: COSMAC user needs help

by franke＠sbs.de

> << > Roger Lamson <rlamson(a)snds.com> > San Diego, CA USA - Tuesday, September 01, 1998 at 12:39:56 > We have some old 1802 source code that was not documented, > now we need to "reverse" engineer this code and develop > flow charts so that we can then implement the correct algoithms > in a new processor. > Is there a cosmac 1802 users group out there? > Is there a development system, UT20 from RCA out there? > Thanks > >> > I'd offer this guy my COSMAC ICE, but currently I have no way to verify > that it works (i.e., I haven't built my COSMAC ELF yet :-) In fact, I still have a group of RCA tapes with an cross assembler and other tools (for /360 compatible RCA Mainframe :) - We just need one of these 1966..75 build dinosaurs. Or to be more constructive, I'm still able to read and write 1802 Assm (or at least I belive to be - it's some years ago :). Writing 'modern' Assemblers (Z80, x86, MIPS, ARM etc.) isn't tragic at all. I'm just a bit far away from SD. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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FREE Texas Instuments VDT

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have just had laid on me a very nice condition (from a bank) texas Instruments model 911 VDT video display unit. I only have the screen unit, no keyboard. It has two jacks on back, one marked keyboard and one marked controller (9 pin male d-sub) FREE to anyone that wants it, you pay the shipping of about 30 lbs. I need to hear from people soon on it or it will go dumpster diving and not come up for air. As it is I still have the Visual 102 (complete) and DEC VT100 (no keyboard) to GIVE AWAY and the last inquiring mind never got back with me. These are also in great condition and working order and available for the cost of shipping. ___________________________________________________ Russ Blakeman Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ UIN #1714857 ___________________________________________________

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by jsalzman＠hersheys.com

I thought I was the only one who owned a TI-74. I'm looking for the specs too. TI does mention some authorized service centers on their web page for the TI-74. I haven't got a chance to contact any of them for information. Check out: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/7495.htm Jeff Salzman ---------------------------- Zu denken ist gut, da=DF Sie sind gut > >Does anyone know any technical dokumentation for the >TI PC-234 printer and/or the TI-74 interface ? I couldn't >find any usefull trace in the web. >

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TI-74 / PC-234 Problem

by franke＠sbs.de

One more question: Does anyone know any technical dokumentation for the TI PC-234 printer and/or the TI-74 interface ? I couldn't find any usefull trace in the web. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Deja vu

by mbg＠world.std.com

> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution > sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re: > freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent > Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the > invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by > Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in > interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living > breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need > interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped. I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers, etc. > several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very > curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on > thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many > billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy > like that. So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe it was a communicates satellite. BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Deja vu

by mbg＠world.std.com

"Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess >some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked >seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on >computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely >they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car. Actually, from the news report I heard, it was a new launch vehicle. The maiden flight... That doesn't contradict the idea it may be old technology, but supposedly the vehicle was one of a new series... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP

by wpe101＠banet.net

Changing my ISP... Sprynet will be discontinued as of 23:59 30 Sep 1998. Will

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hitachi cd-rom drivers

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Someone here mentioned a few days ago that he had the drivers for a hitachi cd-rom drive. Does anyone remember who it was? I want to test this thing before shipping it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Booting up and LSI 11/23

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>at $ prompt type in drive name > > $ DK0 What sort of media are you actually trying to boot? Why do you think it's got a valid boot-block? >It now takes me back to the @ prompt. >Type in 0g > > @0g > >and I get 000002 back. >I'm assuming that the '2' I get back is an error of some sort. Can anyone >shed any light >on this one for me. Nope, it's not an error - it's the address the CPU stopped at. It's certainly the case that at address 0, there's a "HALT" instruction (i.e. the contents are zero.) This is very possibly because the boot block you read into location 0 was all zeroes - i.e. not a boot block at all. ----- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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trs80model1

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I got one with an expansion box, monitor, and 2 disk drives for $2.50. I also got a LOAD of software with it. It was working fine 'till the monitor blew. I tried fixing it, and got it working, but it was a bit wavy. Then the P/S for the expansion unit blew, so I sold the whole deal for $20. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Jim <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: trs80model1 > Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 8:06 PM > > Ooo, TRS-80 model 1. The first computer that ever inspired lust in my heart > - I don't suppose these can be had inexpensively... > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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trs80model1

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Ooo, TRS-80 model 1. The first computer that ever inspired lust in my heart - I don't suppose these can be had inexpensively... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I used to have a Model 1. I believe the logical answer for why Drive 0 was at the beginning of the cable was do that it was the closest to the computer, ant it would make it less confusing for novice computer users: Closest drive gets the boot disk. As for the drive with a resistor pack needing to be at the end of the cable, I disagree. I had a two-disk system, and both drives were identical. I know that, because when I first got the computer, I plugged the drives in, turned them on, turned on the expansion box, and turned on the computer, and they worked. I tried the drives the other way (switched them on the cable), and they still worked. I'm also sure that neither had the resistor pack, because when I got the computer, it was supposed to have 4 drives. There was, however, another Model 1 with an expansion box, but no drives. The person who was selling the computers took drives 3 and 4 off of the one that I got, and put them on the other one. My friend bought it, and the drives worked on it, too. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed) > Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 1:42 PM > > It would have been a lot simpler if the connectors had been fitted in the > opposite order so that drive 0 was at the end of the cable. Then the > terminated drive always would have gone at the end of the cable, and > would always have been Drive 0. No idea why they didn't do this. > > -tony >

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PC jr Stuff

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

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PC jr Stuff

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-09-01 11:54:05 EDT, you write: << Is PCjr stuff compatible with the IBM PC Convertible? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer >> no. totally incompatible.

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Back! I'm back... (now WinNT hit-and-run)

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:26 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, John Foust wrote: > >> WinNT is quite stable. I've been running it for years - since 3.0, >> I think, under heavy daily software development. > >Use Linux instead. Its far less picky about its hardware (and a whole >lot more stable too, not to mention just a better OS). Yeah, then there's that really big market of Linux users who love to pay for software. I use Linux alot, but not for running Microsoft products or Windows code. All my firewalls and source code servers are Linux. The SGI version of my product easily recompiles and runs under Linux and X Window. We used it occasionally to use Checker and Electric Fence for debugging. I've got hundreds of unsold CDs of a Linux-based 3D product in the basement, left over from when my company was acquired. I'll gladly send a CD of it for free to anyone in the world who wants to send me a piece of old computer junk or software in trade. See my web page to see what I like. (See a description of Megahedron at http://www.threedee.com/mhedron/mhedron.htm>, and download a free, fully functional demo for Win95/NT x86 and AXP, Linux and SGI IRIX from <http://www.threedee.com/demos/demos.html>.) Frankly, Linux doesn't fit under the ten-year-rule. We'll need to wait until 2003 for that. Sure, it might run on old PCs, though. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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old computers

by mwakoff＠njcpa.com

We have some old 486 computers that we don't use anymore. Can you use them? Marvin J. Wakoff Wakoff, Andriulli & Co. mwakoff(a)njcpa.com

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TRS-80 Hard drives (was:Cable needed)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

The post about the Shugart HD's reminded me of something. I'm also looking for a hard drive and external disk boxes for a TRS-80 Model III. I'm not sure if the HD's needed to be special for the III (never had a HD for it), but I had model 1 disk drives on it, and they were working. So any model disk box should be O.K. ThAnX in advance, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Old Computer

by franzese＠att.com

I have a Heath-Zenith Z90 CPM based computer, and am looking for a home for it. Can you help? Bob Franzese

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PC jr Stuff

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

Guys: I just snarfed some PC-jr modules: 2 - 128k Ram expansion 1 - Parallel printer module 1 - Speech Module I cut open the speech and printer modules, and they seem to be in pretty good shape, although I don't know if any of this stuff actually works. If this is of any value to anyone, I'll offer it for trade for something interesting (I collect mostly Motorola related stuff), or some reasonable $$. PLease reply via private e-mail. Thanx, Jeff

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PC jr Stuff

by mbg＠world.std.com

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