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by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up an Apple Macintosh IIci today. It has a board in it marked "Orange 386". It was made by Orange Micro has a 386 CPU and slots for SIMM memory boards. Is anyone familar with this? I don't have an Apple monitor so I can't power it up and test it. Joe

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New to the list

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I believe the DOS version was PC-DOS 2.11. From reading previous posts on this list, and other places, the floppy drive in the PCjr was fairly flimsy, so if may be a "standard" problem. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Will Emerson <wpe101(a)banet.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: New to the list > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:26 PM > > Hello Aaron, welcome to the list.. I dealt with a PC jr a few years ago, > and iirr, it didn't boot itself, you had to insert a dos (gawd help me > what version) floppy to get it to boot. No clue as to whether that's the > problem, but I'd suggest you try it. No guarantees, but, if you do need > one, I've got a steel box at work with a bunch of old floppies in it, > and I'll be happy to check it, and see if I still have a boot floppy > in there.. Oh, also, fwiw, the PC jr I played with, the floppy drive > was kind of "iffy" as to functioning properly, hopefully a > characteristic > local to the machine I was dealing with.. > > Will

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IBM XT286

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

It is IBM's clone of the PC/AT with a few exceptions. Hmm, I'm sure you don't mean "IBM's clone of the PC/AT", since IBM could hardly clone their own product. The XT-286 is actually a warmed-over PC-XT motherboard design, adapted to use the 80286 CPU. It was a product positioned in between the XT and the AT in IBM's lineup. 3. Some AT boards will not fit into it. Actually, no AT boards will fit into it. Although it used the AT's 286 CPU, it retained the XT's 8-bit bus, and was limited to 640K RAM (no 16-bit RAM expansion available). In a sense, you can almost think of it as a "286SX", since it is largely analogous to the 386SX in that it had a bus half the width of the CPU internal core (although I'm not sure whether the motherboard RAM was 8- or 16-bit). The XT-286 failed, not just because of its limited expansion versus the AT, but due to competition from the Turbo XT (8-10MHz 8088/NECV20) market, which had similar performance. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ehrich [mailto:g@ehrich.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 6:23 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: IBM XT286 >Alas the only information I have on the XT-286 is the circuit diagrams. >It's pretty much an electronic 'clone' of the PC/AT in a different case. >I also seem to remember that the ROM BIOS is almost identical to the >later AT BIOS. I have an XT/286 in a box and used it for many years. It is IBM's clone of the PC/AT with a few exceptions. 1. It uses an XT case 2 It is 6mhz with 0 (zero) wait states. 3. Some AT boards will not fit into it. Due to the zero wait states it is faster than other 6mhz AT's that do have wait states. gene@ehrich http://www.voicenet.com/~generic Computer & Video Game Garage Sale

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Apple <> Orange 386?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

It's a PC compatibility card, similar to those Apple used to sell. Orange Micro is still around, currently selling Pentium cards. http://www.orangemicro.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@intellistar.net] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:47 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Apple <> Orange 386? I picked up an Apple Macintosh IIci today. It has a board in it marked "Orange 386". It was made by Orange Micro has a 386 CPU and slots for SIMM memory boards. Is anyone familar with this? I don't have an Apple monitor so I can't power it up and test it. Joe

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Universal drive

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 1, 17:08, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > Subject: Re: Universal drive > :: > ::Is there a device that would allow _any_ disk, independently of > ::format, including Apple ][ disks, to be read? I know Teledisk can do > ::this for all conventional formats, but not Apple disks. It would be > ::nice to connect one of these and read the disk image into a file. > ::The main reason why I ask is for rescuing messed up floppies... > :: > > The closest thing to this I can think of would be a Catweasel controller, > but they are not for the faint of heart or ignorant of disk format. They > are also rather difficult to find. Try searching on AltaVista; you may > luck out and find one for sale. At least in the Commodore world, we've been > successful at reading 64 disks on a PC with a Catweasal-enhanced drive. I know someone at Edinburgh who was trying to persuade a Catweasel controller to read/write unusual formats, but last I heard he was making heavy weather of it. Here's the Catweasel URL: http://members.tripod.com/~apd2/catweasl.htm -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Xerox 16/8

by jbixby＠labwest.northatlantic.nf.ca

I have recently came into position of an old Xerox computer that I really do not know much about and was wondering if anyone out there would be able to send me via e-mail any info that they may have on it. The computer works and all but all that comes up is something about tables and something about invalid drives. If anyone out there has any info on this computer I would greatly appreciate it.

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Universal drive

by paulk＠microsoft.com

> Is there a device that would allow _any_ disk, independently of > format, including Apple ][ disks, to be read? > You can look at http://members.tripod.com/~apd2/catweasl.htm for an ISA card that'll (allegedly) read several MFM and GCR formats, including Commodore, Amiga, FAT, Atari, Macintosh, and Apple //. I haven't ever used one, so I can't comment on its reliability, but it might be worth investigating. Paul Kearns paulk(a)microsoft.com

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Can anyone identify this vax for sale on Ebay?

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 12:55 PM 01-10-98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >Its a very nice 286 machine, but what a pitiful computer considering it >came from DEC. Of course you have to realize that this is an NC (in the modern sense). A VAXmate worked really well in a network environment with a VAX at the far end running Pathworks. I remember setting one up in 1987 and being impressed with what you could achieve. It was really nice being able to store PC data on our VAX which we backed up properly! Of course, like DECs other NC (the Multia) they were ahead of the market and couldn't sell them to save themselves :-( Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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Windows 1.0?

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: >> To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we >> released 1.03 as the first version. > >MSKB article ID Q32905 "Windows Version History" makes reference to >Version 1.01 dated 11/85 (it is the first version listed), followed by >1.03 dated 8/86. > That fits. I have a copy of 1.02, the "International Version" with files dated 1/86. Hans Olminkhof

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Windows 1.0

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Ah, I got the answer... there was a 1.01 with a limited release in the US only, I still have yet to get confirmation over whether there was a retail store package or whether it was bundled only. 1.03 was indeed the first multinational release about 9 months later. I'm sure there wasn't a 1.00, although 1.01 packages may have carried "1.0" markings. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lwalker@mail.interlog.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:01 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: als for it On 30 Sep 98 at 9:19, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we > released 1.03 as the first version. > > 1.03 was available only on 360K 5 1/4" and had no VGA support. 1.04 was the > same as 1.03 except it was available only on 720K 3 1/2" and supported the > PS/2 _exclusively_. > > Kai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:16 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Windows 1.0? > > Someone posted recently that they have the originals (or copies) of > Windows 1.0? Could you please get in touch with me? > > Sam Alternate e-mail: Sorry Kai, I usually tend to take your MS statements as gospel but in this case I've just been looking at the flash page and desktop of Windows 1.01 copyrighted 1984 and the files are dated 11-15-85. Unless this was a pirated version smuggled out of MS or an elaborate put-on it must be the first issue. It has a somewhat-Norton Commander style desktop but has most of the utilities of the later version - notepad, write, calendar ,etc. and a pif-editor and win.ini. It comes on 5 360k disks with a set-up program that builds a small Win.com and an much larger overlay binarie. As you mention it doesn't support VGA and the readme file has a lot of references to problems with AboveBoard (the Intel mem-expansion card). I've had it for a short while and just now installed it on an 8580 PS2 running DRDOS. While I can get the desktop the utilities hang with the familiar hourglass. I just tried it on my 5150 which has an Inboard card and uses the A20 handler but only 1meg memory and also heavily configured and with Dos 5. It crashed leaving me at the prompt. Using my favorite shell CMFiler got me to a blank screen before crashing . Likely memory related. I'm going to try it on one of my 286s' using an earlier dos and with one of 1.01's memory handlers emm.at or emm.xt (dated 7-30-85) in autoexec. I have of course no manual. I do run on, sorry. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Can anyone identify this vax for sale on Ebay?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I just picked one of these up with the base station that houses a Seagat < ST-251 40 meg hard drive with DOS 6.20 installed! Wacky. It also has < 5.25" floppy drive vertically oriented next to the CRT. The disk box was an afterthought. It was mostly for modems and other add ons. Their big feature was a LANCE chip for eithernet running PCSA (later called pathworks) networking to vaxen via decnet/lat protocals. < Its a very nice 286 machine, but what a pitiful computer considering it < came from DEC. Since it's primarly aim was a diskless dos workstation off of vaxen and dec was still trying to sort out if they were committed to PCs at all it was a rather interesting machine. Allison

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ESDI Cabling

by Marty＠itgonline.com

The 34-pin control cable for ST-506 interfaces can either have a twist or be straight through where you need to alter the HDD drive selects accordingly. The 34-pin control cable used on ST-506 interfaces doesn't care whether it lives in a PC PC/XT or PC/AT environment. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: ESDI Cabling Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 10/1/98 3:55 PM > The only thing in PCs I know of that use a twist cable is Floppies. The AT MFM disk control cable (for ST506-like hard disks) certainly has a twist in it. This twist swaps over 2 of the drive select lines between the 2 drives, so they can both be set to the same drive number. I will have to get the manual if you want the exact details. I think the XT control cable does as well. I have an XT somewhere with 2 ST412 drives (in the 5161 expanasion box) but I'd have to dig it out to check if the cable has the twist. > > Allison > > -tony ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Oct01.155547.1767.67008; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:55:47 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id MAA19121; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:51:23 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA30654 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:49:00 -0700 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA26817 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:48:59 -0700 Received: from [158.152.97.199] (helo=p850ug1) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOoif-0004Wt-00 for classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:48:58 +0000 Received: by p850ug1 id <m0zOmWg-000IyMC@p850ug1> (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.33); Thu, 1 Oct 98 18:28 BST Message-Id: <m0zOmWg-000IyMC@p850ug1> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:28:23 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: ESDI Cabling In-Reply-To: <199810010124.AA26688(a)world.std.com> from "Allison J Parent" at Sep 30, 98 09:24:50 pm Content-Type: text X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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DEC Vaxstation Mice

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Is it possible to make regular Mouse-System-Clone bus mouse or Sun Mice < work on a DEC Vaxstation 3100 -- or does anyone have a source of < the DEC mice? I don't think so. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

< And of course DECsystems might be 36 bit (DECsystem-10 for example), 32 < (DECsystem 5500) or something else (wasn't there a DECsystem based on < either an -8 < or -11? for word processing). I also seem to recall that there were Inte < based DECstations too.... There were two different DEC systems for word processing: WPS 100 and 200 series were PDP-8E or 8A cpus WPS78 6100 CMOS version of PDP-8 DECmate later version of the CMOS based word procesors using the 6120 version of the CMOS PDP-8 on a chip. A possibly incomplete list of DEC systems and what the cpu was used... more or less. These are all "chip" based so it leaves out the PDP-1 through 15 series machines. DECMATE series 6120 processor (a PDP8 in CMOS) VAXmate Intel 80286 oriented as diskless PC workstation for vaxen. DECstation MIPS series Rainbow 8088/z80 Pro3xx PDP-11 (f11 or J11 chips) PDT-11 series KDA11 (LSI-11 series) Falcon T-11 series pdp-11 chip Vt180 (AKA Robin) Z80 MicroVAX VAXstation VAXserver These are VAX systems based on Microvax, CVAX, NVAX and later 32bit VAX based chips. Alpha 64bit archetecture and the chip series based on it. Allison

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KL-10 Emulation Underway

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

This message was supposed to have gotten here a while ago, but it never did. Myself and a few other individuals are actively working on a KL-10 emulation. The project is named e10, and is 3.99% finished. I'm busy confusing myself with 36-bit math right now. Anyway, help would be nice to complete this fscker. It's being written in C for Unix platforms, it's under the GPL. Please don't email me and tell me how stupid this is, or how I'm never going to finish, I'm trying my damndest to maintain the Never-Give-Up attitude. I plan to be winning by Y2K. Anyway, does anyone want to help out? I generated a web page (Using vi, of course...) at bony.umtec.com, and the current source can be had from there via FTP in /pub/ka10/*. Any help at all would be appreciated. -------

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Allison, just how compatable were the Rainbow and Decmate ll. With what? if each other the answer is not at all. The Rainbow was sorta PC(ish) using z80 and 8088. The DECMATE used a PDP-8 cpu reduced to a chip. Differences, PDP-8 is a 12bit machine and the other two should be familiar. < I have a Decmatell Word Processing 2 book manual no disks and < another Decmate Hardware Configuration Manual with a System < Test Disk and a system overview disk which I have viewed on my < "Bow. From all the diagrams they were identical in appearance and < seemed to have used the same keyboard and monitor. IIRC from < the R'bow fido docs I downloaded from the Finnish site the Bow < could use SCO UNIX (?) Was the 'bow able to access the mini's ? The used a similar box, same Floppy (RX50), if it was installed the same 5/10mb hard disks, monitor and keyboard as those were all coperate standards for that era. other wise they were three different machines (the pro350 was similar style and peripherals). Allison

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Windows 1.0?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we > released 1.03 as the first version. MSKB article ID Q32905 "Windows Version History" makes reference to Version 1.01 dated 11/85 (it is the first version listed), followed by 1.03 dated 8/86. -Frank McConnell

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ESDI Cabling

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< The only PC ESDI controllers I have ever found all have 2 data cable < connectors (20 pin on the card), which can each connect to one drive onl < same as MFM. In fact right now I can't think of any differences between < and MFM cabling for PC's. Not sure about the twist details though. EDSI does not generally use the twist unless that was a PC hack. The Ultrastor EDSI controllers I hav elaying around use the esact cabling as a pair of MFM drive on a WD 1003/5/6 controller. The only thing in PCs I know of that use a twist cable is Floppies. Allison

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DEC Vaxstation Mice

by pechter＠shell.monmouth.com

Is it possible to make regular Mouse-System-Clone bus mouse or Sun Mice work on a DEC Vaxstation 3100 -- or does anyone have a source of the DEC mice? Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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ESDI Cabling

by Marty＠itgonline.com

ESDI cabling is definitely the ST506/412 interface used on old MFM (e.g. Seagate ST-225) or RLL (e.g. Seagate ST-238). If the 34-pin control cable is straight through (without the twist) select drive 0 if the selection is 0 and 1. If the selection is drive 1 and 2, select drive 1 (nomenclature varies among manufacturers). Ensure the terminating resistors are installed or you are asking for trouble. If the 34-pin control cable has a twist and you have only one drive attached to the end of the cable with the twist, use drive select 1 if your drive nomenclature is 0 and 1. If the drive select nomenclature is 1 and 2, select drive 2 and make certain you have the terminating resistors installed. Two drive scenario: 34-pin control cable with twist, drive at end of cable with twist use drive select 1 if drive has 0 and 1 as drive selects or 2 if using 1 and 2 drive selects and again ensure the terminating resistors are installed in this drive. The drive in the middle of chain should use drive select 1 if drive has 0 and 1 as drive selects or 2 if using 1 and 2 drive selects (yes, use the same drive select as the C: drive attached to the end of the cable) and make certain the terminating resistors are removed from this drive which will be seen as D: drive. If the 34-pin cable has no twist, C: drive is set for 0 (if drive selects are 0 and 1) or 1 (if drive selects are 1 and 2) and connected at the end of the cable with the terminating resistors installed; D: drive is set for 1 (if using drive selects 0 and 1) or 2 (if using drive select 1 and 2), connected in the middle of the chain and must have the terminating resistors removed. Marty

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als for it

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Yes, I've seen a 1.01, but I don't think it was a retail version (perhaps some limited bundle with an OEM computer). I'll ask our Archives. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lwalker@mail.interlog.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:01 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: als for it On 30 Sep 98 at 9:19, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we > released 1.03 as the first version. > > 1.03 was available only on 360K 5 1/4" and had no VGA support. 1.04 was the > same as 1.03 except it was available only on 720K 3 1/2" and supported the > PS/2 _exclusively_. > > Kai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:16 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Windows 1.0? > > Someone posted recently that they have the originals (or copies) of > Windows 1.0? Could you please get in touch with me? > > Sam Alternate e-mail: Sorry Kai, I usually tend to take your MS statements as gospel but in this case I've just been looking at the flash page and desktop of Windows 1.01 copyrighted 1984 and the files are dated 11-15-85. Unless this was a pirated version smuggled out of MS or an elaborate put-on it must be the first issue. It has a somewhat-Norton Commander style desktop but has most of the utilities of the later version - notepad, write, calendar ,etc. and a pif-editor and win.ini. It comes on 5 360k disks with a set-up program that builds a small Win.com and an much larger overlay binarie. As you mention it doesn't support VGA and the readme file has a lot of references to problems with AboveBoard (the Intel mem-expansion card). I've had it for a short while and just now installed it on an 8580 PS2 running DRDOS. While I can get the desktop the utilities hang with the familiar hourglass. I just tried it on my 5150 which has an Inboard card and uses the A20 handler but only 1meg memory and also heavily configured and with Dos 5. It crashed leaving me at the prompt. Using my favorite shell CMFiler got me to a blank screen before crashing . Likely memory related. I'm going to try it on one of my 286s' using an earlier dos and with one of 1.01's memory handlers emm.at or emm.xt (dated 7-30-85) in autoexec. I have of course no manual. I do run on, sorry. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Wang Thang Revisited

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

In trying to finf info re my Wang , Wang Users Group turned up empty, so I did a general search on "Wang". What fun. I found out there's a hell of a lot more Wangs than Jones out there. And a good proportion of them are scientists. Wangs like to display themselves and one even had pictures of his wife and his sister on his page. Among the Wangs on display were Joy C Wang, Junping Wang, Leiping Wang, Linping Wang and the saddest, Weiping Wang (maybe a pseudonym for linping) There was Gang Wang and Wang Man but the most impressive Wang was : Wang Jinrey a fighting philosopher Nationality China Fighting Style shin-irokugoken Age 84 Height 165cm Weight 56kg Bloodtype B I was especially impressed that they included this fighting philosophers blood type. I also found out that bin wang wasn't a binary file and wang fan wasn't a computer enthusiasts group. There was also a geographical perspective with the Phuket jewelry shop in Wang Talang Siam , the King Wang Hotel in Taiwan, and the Wang Centre for the Performance Arts in Boston. There's also a Wang differential geometrical theorum used wildly by scientists. Then I dicovered I could finger wang@risc and after 60 Lycos pages of URLs with nary an end in site ,my energy petered out I was getting giddy and laughing hysterically at every Wang thang . There's just too damn many Wangs out there and I exited without finding any references to my Wang.. On a less humorous note I did find a UK source for Wang and NEC as well as other laptop batteries. MDS Batteries. Likely pricey to ship them this side of the pond but they did have some specs so maybe one could make yer'own. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Tandy PC-1, 2, 4, 5 series

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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Anyone got docs for the DTE20 interface?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

It interfaces the console PDP-11 to a KL-10. ANyone have documentation for it? -------

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Wang Thang Revisited

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

uh, im still trying to decide how this relates to classiccmp... In a message dated 10/1/98 7:45:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com writes: << Then I dicovered I could finger wang@risc and after 60 Lycos pages of URLs with nary an end in site ,my energy petered out I was getting giddy and laughing hysterically at every Wang thang . There's just too damn many Wangs out there and I exited without finding any references to my Wang.. >>

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Can anyone identify this vax for sale on Ebay?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>If the case says VAXanything or MicroVAX it's VAX. If it's an Alpha >it would say Alphamumble. Systems with the DECmumble are MIPS. Systems with 'DECstation mumble' should be MIPS, but if it says 'DEC nnnn' then it may well be an Alpha... for example, I have a DEC 3000/400 in my office.. this is an Alpha. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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486 DX/2 66mhz

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Is anyone in dire need of one of these? I was bulldozing through my office today and ran across this one lonely processor sitting in a drawer. Please respond to me directly... Aaron

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Trivia Question

by rax＠warbaby.com

Sometime in the mid-seventies, Queen Elizabeth became the first monarch to send an email. Does anyone know the year, to whom she sent it, and what the circumstances were? R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Once you get the nose on, the rest is just makeup.

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It boots from ESDI <finally>

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Good grief what a week this has been, but I finally got the PDP-11 I'm trying to put together to boot off of a ESDI harddrive. Not the processor or disk controller I was expecting, for all that goes not the version of RSX-11M I was expecting, but it's up and running. At the moment it is running a PDP-11/23+ instead of the /73, has a RLV12 in it, and is missing basically all the boards. However, tomorrow I'm hoping to basically get the hardware back into the configuration that I want. I had two problems. First, for some reason I couldn't get RSX11M to like the Webster WQESD controller I was trying to use, so I switched to a Emulex QD21, and was able to load the TK50 onto the Harddrive. But it wouldn't boot once I got that done last night. Foolish me thinking it wasn't bootable drug a RL02 drive and controller into the house tonite :^( Turns out that I'd gotten the DIP switches mixed up <ARGHHH> Once I had them right (and the system totally rearranged) it booted off DU0: despite my wanting to go from DL0: :^) If work doesn't interfere tomorrow night, I'm going to be having some fun with this system :^) Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Windows 1.0?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we released 1.03 as the first version. 1.03 was available only on 360K 5 1/4" and had no VGA support. 1.04 was the same as 1.03 except it was available only on 720K 3 1/2" and supported the PS/2 _exclusively_. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:16 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Windows 1.0? Someone posted recently that they have the originals (or copies) of Windows 1.0? Could you please get in touch with me? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98]

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WANG WLTC up for trade

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> Hi Jason: > > This is just a guess, but I think that the 'blown capacitor' problem is > directly related to the 'TYCO' power supply. It's output IS going to be > _very_ noisy, when compared to computer grade supplies. The peak voltage > is probably what's killing things. I would look for an 18v supply. > > Chuck That's what I thought. I have 2 of the WANG WLTC's (that's why I'm trading one). The other one has worked fine for about 1 year (and longer with the previous owner) with the Tyco supply. The other keeps blowing. I think it's being caused by some weak components elsewhere in the circuit (some of the other caps may be beginning to deteriorate). -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 PS>> Your date is 8 months off - it's set for January 30 1998.

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WANG WLTC up for trade

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> There is, however, a problem with the internal (regulating/switching) < > supply. It runs the computer, but keeps blowing a capacitor. It als < > needs an external P/S and battery. The battery is 10 sub-cells (with < > resistor - I have a schematic). A Tyco 20VDC racing transformer (the < > for the little car/track sets) will run it. < This is just a guess, but I think that the 'blown capacitor' problem is < directly related to the 'TYCO' power supply. It's output IS going to be < _very_ noisy, when compared to computer grade supplies. The peak voltag < is probably what's killing things. I would look for an 18v supply. < < Chuck Good point. the answer is simple... What is te voltage rating of the failed cap? Likely the tyco power far exceeds the required voltage. Allison

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(Fwd) RE: IBM XT286

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

Can someone help this person out? If so reply directly to her at the address below. Thanks. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "AUDREY" <kutter(a)arn.net> Subject: RE: IBM XT286 Date sent: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:17:22 -0500 I hope you can help me with my problem ,as you can see I have this old machine . I had to replace the battery and now I can't bring anything up. I can't even get the to the C: prompt. This one has a Conner hard drive, this is the information on the drive : Conner,CP 30064H ACO3286 CP30064H 9027 CMO2322 3GT 2.55 ML2 T ALR POWERFLEX FLYER HARD DRIVE:60MB TYPE:6 S/N0361634. I don't have a manual or a systems disk for this machine. Every time I try to run setup this is the message I get back : device I/O error I get this message with every thing iI try. If you have a manual or a systems disk can you make a copy and I will buy them from you. If you can help me set this thing up will you send the information in a way a 55 year old granny can understand . I want my grandson to learn on it. I'm sorry this is so long . Thank You, Audrey ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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ESDI Cabling

by mbg＠world.std.com

>The only PC ESDI controllers I have ever found all have 2 data cable >connectors (20 pin on the card), which can each connect to one drive >only, same as MFM. In fact right now I can't think of any differences >between ESDI and MFM cabling for PC's. Not sure about the twist details >though. I have one of the Andromeda ESDC controllers for qbus pdp-11s, and it has four connectors on it. One wide one (like the wide MFM one) and three of the narrow ones. According to the documentation I have, one could attach up to three drives to the one controller, possibly up to six with some sort of adapter... (It also support floppies with an adapter, but I don't have that) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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DECsystem-1090 (KL10) power requirements

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Questions came up last week about how much power a DECsystem-1090 CPU (KL10) consumes, and how the power supply works. Tony Duell suggested that the KL10 might not consume any more power than a big PDP-11/45 system; I disagreed. My previous description of the power system was not entirely accurate, so I've dug out some technical documentation, including the manual "Power System (1080/1090) Interface Description", part number EK-PWR1-ID-002, dated March 1977. The KL10 CPU cabinet consists of three bays. In a 1080 or 1090, the middle bay contains the main CPU card cage, which has 47 extended hex modules full of ECL logic. The left bay (as viewed from the front) contains an I/O card cage containing up to 50 extended hex modules full of TTL for the RH20 Massbus channels, DTE20 front-end interfaces, DMA20 memory bus interface, and DIA20 I/O bus interface. The right bay contains a PDP-11/40 front end processor, a TU56 dual DECtape transport, and a TC11 DECtape control. Note that this does not include any memory or peripherals necessary to make a complete system. I am going to describe only the power requirements of the CPU cabinet. All KL10 models require three-phase power. The KL10-AA and KL10-BA models operate on three phases of 90-132 VAC 60 Hz (208 VAC nominal phase-to-phase) The KL10-AB and KL10-BB operate on three phases of 180-264 VAC 50 Hz (416V nominal phase-to-phase). Total input power is specified as 12.6 kW typical for a basic system; a real-world configuration would have more DTE20 and RH20 units, so it would consume more power. Needless to say, the power supplies in the KL10 are not power factor corrected. The 863 three-phase power control has a 75A main circuit breaker. Unfortunately I do not have a copy of the DECsystem-10 Site Preparation Guide, so I don't know what the actual specifications for peak current per phase are. With the exception of the power supply for the main CPU cage and the cooling fans for that bay, most of the machine actually operates on single phase power. The various fans and power supplies are distributed between the phases to balance the load. The CPU cage fans operate between two phases (208V) in the -AA and -BA models, and between one phase and neutral (240V) in the -AB and -BB models. The power supply for the ECL consists of an H760A or H760B raw power supply (depending on the line voltage), a 70-09475 capacitor assembly, and an H761 regulated series pass assembly. The H760A/B contains three ferroresonant transformers with primaries wired in a three-phase delta. The secondaries are center-tapped and wired with half-wave bridge rectifiers. The output is -12V at 490A. The diodes are mounted to a massive heat sink with its own fans. The capacitor assembly consists of thirteen 0.3F capacitors in parallel for a total capacitance of 3.9F. The output under full load is -11V+-10%. In the event of a power failure, this is sufficient to allow a hold time of 20 ms before the voltage drops below -7.5V. The H761 regulated series pass assembly consists of 13 linear regulators. Nine have -5.2V 35A outputs for the ECL main power, and four have -2V 35A outputs for ECL termination. There is room for a 14th linear regulator which is normally not installed. The maximum load for the CPU card cage is thus (9*5.2V*35A)+(4*2.0V*35A), or 1918W. At that load, the input power required by the power supply is over 5460W. This is less than 35% efficiency. Of course, the ECL power supply is nowhere near the whole story. The following additional power supplies are in the system: quant model output use ----- ----- ------ -------------- 1 H720 +5, -15 DECtape system 1 H725 1 H7420 AC power supply PDP-11/40 3 H744 +5 1 H745 -15 1 H754 +20, -5 1 H732 0-20VDC margin check 1 783-C +10, -15 1 H7420 AC power supply 1 H744 +5V CPU cage TTL supply 2 H744 +5V I/O cage DTE20 TTL supply 1 H744 +5V I/O cage RH20 TTL supply 1 H7420 AC power supply 4 H744 +5V I/O cage RH20 TTL supply 1 H7420 AC power supply 1 H770 +15V air flow sensors 1 H745 -15V I/O cage DIA20/DMA20 3 H744 +5 I/O cage DIA20/DMA20 TTL supply I have not found any figures for typical current used by the various subsystems. However, the ratings of the regulators are: H720 5V 22A, -15V 10A, unregulated -22V 1A, unregulated +8V 1.5A (unregulated outputs not used in KL10) H732 0-20V 5A H744 5V 25A H745 -15V 10A H754 +20V 8A and -5V 1A H770 +15V 10A DEC didn't waste any more money on regulators than necessary, so it is a safe assumption that a fully configured system will use most of the available DC power, which for just the +5V supplies alone is 1860W. Fortunately the power supplies used with the H7420s are switchers, so they are probably at least 65% efficient. Eric

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ESDI Cabling

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>> ESDI cables for PC's may or may not have a twist. The drive has a jumper >> (usually marked drive 1 or 2) that must be set accordingly. > >I was under the impression that ESDI used 3 binary-encoded lines to >select up to 8 drives on the same cable, and that there was no way just >by swithing them round to have all the drives set to the same number. >Certainly the ESDI drive I've just picked up has 3 binary-encoded >selection links on the logic board. Of course for the special case of >drive 1 and drive 2 (although not drive 0 and drive 1) you can get away >with swapping over bits 0 and 1. The only PC ESDI controllers I have ever found all have 2 data cable connectors (20 pin on the card), which can each connect to one drive only, same as MFM. In fact right now I can't think of any differences between ESDI and MFM cabling for PC's. Not sure about the twist details though.

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IBM 1130

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I contacted a friend of mine that that is a salesman for IBM and asked him if he knew where any IBM 1130s might be found. Here's his reply: > >Joe, >Sorry it took so long to reply....I was in Vegas and didn't get back until >yesterday. It was the annual World Gaming Congress meeting...the largest >gaming convention in the industry. > >Well...I got to admint....I've never even heard of an 1130!! I had to do >some research to find out what it was! from what I can decuce..this thing >dates back to the mid 60's.!! Sorry but the only place I can think he might >find one is a museum! Joe

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WANG WLTC up for trade

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Hello everybody. I have a WANG WLTC laptop computer (circa 1980's). I do not want to sell it for cash, but I'd be willing to trade it for another unusual portable/laptop. Here's some specs on it: -NEC V30 (8086) processor -10MB Winchester Disk -External Centronics-type SCSI port (HD is also SCSI) -Built-in thermal printer, with roll/cut sheet capabilities -512K RAM -RS232-C Serial port If you're interested in it, email me, and I can send you more info and/or a picture of it. There is, however, a problem with the internal (regulating/switching) power supply. It runs the computer, but keeps blowing a capacitor. It also needs an external P/S and battery. The battery is 10 sub-cells (with a resistor - I have a schematic). A Tyco 20VDC racing transformer (the kind for the little car/track sets) will run it. I had an offer to trade it for an IBM PC-Radio, but I never got a reply. If anyone has one of these, or any other odd or unusual laptops/portables, and would be willing to trade, let me know. ThAnX, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Windows 1.0?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Someone posted recently that they have the originals (or copies) of Windows 1.0? Could you please get in touch with me? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98]

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ESDI Cabling

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Tony Duell wrote: >> >> As far as I can tell the cables required for a single ESDI drive are the >> same as for a MFM drive. Is this correct? > >AFAIK yes, provided there are no twists in them. Some PC control (34 pin) >cables have twists so you can set all the hard drives to the same drive >number. This doesn't work with ESDI. > >And no, I am not confusing this with a PC floppy cable, which also has a >twist, but in a different place. > >But the ESDI cables are standard 20 pin (radial data) and 34 pin >(control) cables. ESDI cables for PC's may or may not have a twist. The drive has a jumper (usually marked drive 1 or 2) that must be set accordingly. I've had a lot of trouble getting old ESDI drives to work also, especially with Western Digital controllers. I thought all my drives were bad until I found a Future Domain controller that worked with most of them. The drives also need to be low level formatted by the card being used. Hans Olminkhof

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pdp-11 available - contact the poster, not me

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Xref: world alt.sys.pdp11:5203 >Path: world!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail >From: "James A. Williams" <jawillie(a)hslc.org> >Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 >Subject: We have a PDP11/44 Available >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:22:10 -0700 >Organization: The University of the Arts >Lines: 27 >Message-ID: <3611173D.88A4C27B(a)hslc.org> >Reply-To: jawillie(a)hslc.org >NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.84.92 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Trace: 907165264 YRH3WRCEH545CD01CC usenet78.supernews.com >X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) We currently have a full PDP11/44 system that we are trying to get rid of. The system consists of the following 1 - PDP11/44 1 - TS11 Tape drive 2 - RMO2 Drives 2 - Systems Industries Drives (680Mb, 390Mb) 1 - DEC LP25 Printer We are willing to entertain any reasonable offer for this equipment. We are also willing to donate this equipment to any charitable or educational institution. If you are interested in this equipment, email either myself at the address below or Joyce Zogott at jzogott(a)uarts.edu. Thanks. -- James A. Williams, PC Systems Analyst The University of the Arts Computer Services Voice: (215)875-4856 Fax: (215)546-6134 jawilliams(a)uarts.edu

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Vaxstation 3100

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bill, ---------- > From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter <pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Vaxstation 3100 > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 5:28 AM > > I just came out ahead on a Vaxstation 3100 from E-Bay, having skipped > the MicroVax3300... It's not so heavy, and is faster than the 3300. Better graphics & more ... > Looks like it's a 3100 Model 38... can someone point me to video > pinouts, monitor specs etc since it's coming CPU box only. If you still need it in few days, e-mail me directly. I have it all here, but in boxes because i'm moving all computers from one room to another ;-)) > I'm wondering if it will drive any of the Sun Sparcstation monitors > without a problem (or a modern multisync). Modern multisync, sure. But the monitor has to be capabale of sync on green, and a horiz freq of more than 70 kHz. > At worst I'll run it with a VT100 (or 320 if I can find an MMJ cable). 320 would be better, you have MMJ on both sides then .. > > As soon as it arrives I plan to load it with VAX/VMS from the > non-commercial hobby distribution... I'm wondering if I should > check to see if there are any licenses and software on the box > first. Any suggestions? hobby is ok, i have 6.0, but using NetBSD too. > Can this machine boot off a second drive -- I'd like to put > NetBSD up on an external drive. You could boot probably all of the sixteen scsi devices (if you have two scsi in it). Only problem is, NetBSD still has problems with scsi on Vaxstations 3100/xx. > Any pointers to FAQs and info on this machine would be appreciated. feels free to ask me directly, check the NetBSD homepage, there are pointers to Microvax hardware pages. > I left DEC after the MicroVax II and 8650 so I have no info on this machine. > Boy, will it be good to see VAX/VMS again. Like seeing an old friend ? ;-)) cheers, emanuel

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Stuff up for grabs

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Here's a message from another list. Please respond directly to the original posters. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98] >From bogus(a)does.not.exist.com Tue Sep 29 11:31:22 1998 From: bogus(a)does.not.exist.com () Date: Sun Feb 27 18:36:56 2005 Subject: Greetings from Big D! Message-ID: <mailman.5.1109551016.8069.cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Saw an article about you and your group -- I have a working TRS-80 Model I which includes expansion interface, RS-232 board, and double disk drives (now, try and contain yourself....) at my parent's home in Pennsylvania - they want to 'reclaim' the space, and keep dropping hints about removing -- would hate to 'landfill' it since it works, but need a contact -- Tried contacting the TRS-80 user groups >from a search on the web, and the Tandy Corp headquarters here in Fort Worth , but have received no replies. Thanks for the help. Glenn Knuth Dallas, Texas glennkn(a)juno.com

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Nicolet, DEC rescue coming up

by jfoust＠threedee.com

A few months ago, I picked up a scavenged non-working MicroVAX and a little VaxStation 2000/VS410 from a junk storeroom at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, WI. I'd missed a pair of much nicer graphics-equipped MicroVAXes dumpstered a month or so before. I've received word that they're clearing out this storeroom. I know there'a a TK50, carts, manuals and lots of other misc. junk, including several Cypher (?) mag tape units. It was piled high and deep and very poorly organized. There's also a rack-mount Nicolet 1280 that was known-working when retired. Mr. Ismail, you have a 1080, would you like another from the Nicolet family? I'll pick up what makes sense, and post a list. I doubt I'll want to keep it all. - John

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Intel, Netscape stake Linux?

by wpe101＠banet.net

Another CNET url, regarding Linux, my apologies to those uninterested..... Will http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,26837,00.html?st.ne.ni.lh

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Vaxstation 3100

by pechter＠shell.monmouth.com

I just came out ahead on a Vaxstation 3100 from E-Bay, having skipped the MicroVax3300... Looks like it's a 3100 Model 38... can someone point me to video pinouts, monitor specs etc since it's coming CPU box only. I'm wondering if it will drive any of the Sun Sparcstation monitors without a problem (or a modern multisync). At worst I'll run it with a VT100 (or 320 if I can find an MMJ cable). As soon as it arrives I plan to load it with VAX/VMS from the non-commercial hobby distribution... I'm wondering if I should check to see if there are any licenses and software on the box first. Any suggestions? Can this machine boot off a second drive -- I'd like to put NetBSD up on an external drive. Any pointers to FAQs and info on this machine would be appreciated. I left DEC after the MicroVax II and 8650 so I have no info on this machine. Boy, will it be good to see VAX/VMS again. Bill Bill

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Timex Sinclair 2068 has been sold!

by oajones＠bright.net

Thanks everybody for the inquiries about the 2068. It has been sold. --Alan -- Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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More Swapmeet stuff

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Along with the Compaq books and the Jonos Escort previously described, I just stumbled (literally!) over the other bit of vintage digital gear.. an unopened/shrink wrapped box containing an AT&T Voicepower VP1 module for the 6300 series. The box is marked "Work Group System Voice Power" I haven't opened it yet, but there was a stack of about 25 of them, 20 of which had been sold en masse. Apparently it is a trainable voice-input command module. Along with it (unrelated) was the AT&T version of the IBM user's guide for the 6300, with disks. Since I have two 6300s skulking around here, I can hook this thing up and see what happens... The VCF II sounds like it will do more than was thought to further the aim of Thechnology Preservation.... but that's why we do this, no? Cheers John

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Can anyone identify this vax for sale on Ebay?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > Title of item: DEC MicroVax 3300 Mini Main Frame.L@@K.(pics) < > Seller: wizardworkz(a)netscape.net < > Starts: 09/24/98 21:40:34 PDT < > Ends: 10/01/98 21:40:34 PDT < > Price: Currently $157.50 < > To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI < > < > < > Item Description: < > < > DEC MICROVAX 3300 < > - Mini Main Frame - Alpha Server - < < He says Alpha? He doesn't know what he's talking about. If the case says VAXanything or MicroVAX it's VAX. If it's an Alpha it would say Alphamumble. Systems with the DECmumble are MIPS. It's KA640 serie vax with a VUP of 2.4. Allison

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old apple stuff

by ronfinch＠iglobal.net

have lots of old apple stuff for sale-how can i put it on your list???-ron

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