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Notice to all Mobile Phone Users!

by MobileCostCutter＠Hotmail.com

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Not true! < <Altair Mini-Disk BASIC was distributed on 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks with 1 <sectors (not 10). The MITS controller consisted of two S-100 cards that wa <mostly TTL (nothing fancy like a 1771 No. The original disk for the altair before they became Pertec Computers was an 8" system using two boards of TTL. I know I built three of them in that era and debugged a few more. All if the later Pertec machines with minifloppies had a board that used a 1771 plus a raft of ttl. I might add the Pertec controller was sold before the Pertec aquired MITS. Allison

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Swap PDP-8/L for IBM 5100?

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

I've got a PDP-8/L available for swap. I thought about putting it up on eBay with a $100k reserve but decided that would be overkill :-) Would anyone with an IBM 5100 (switch-selectable BASIC/APL variant) be interested in a swap? -- Tony Eros Computer History Association of Delaware

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FW: Rare IBM machines for sale

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Caveat emptor on this one... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:06:09 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware you wrote: >>From: Fabo <Fabo(a)suffolkonline.com> >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware >>Subject: Rare IBM machines for sale >>Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:06:09 -0500 >>Organization: LI Net >>Lines: 10 >>Message-ID: <36C0DB81.4B9C(a)suffolkonline.com> >>Reply-To: dbowman(a)li.net >>NNTP-Posting-Host: listc03-170.li.net >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.0.20!news.san.rr.com!nntp3.cerf.net!news01.li.net!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:13137 >> >>Hi Folks . >>I have dug in the wherehouse and uncovered some IBMs that we purchased >>at auctio long ago. >>Feast your eyes . >>Please go through my main site , you may even find some hardware you >>need ! >>I will be updating the website in the coming days , please be patient >>and reload often >>http://www.li.net/~dbowman >>Fabo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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The 'WarGames' IMSAI hits eBay...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

(flames to /dev/null) Looks like one more piece of classic computer gear with a movie tie is bound for some closet somewhere... The IMSAI from the movie 'War Games' has gone up for bit on eBay... Item #65763027 Supposedly comes with authentication. Bidding is already past $800 (sigh) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 06:43 AM 2/11/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::Yup, case is metal and it even has stamped on the boards. > >And the SID and ROMs? What kind of RAM chips are connected to the 8563? Can't comment on that. It's packed away tight somewhere. I do remember the "Canonical List of Commodore Machines" making a distinction with some DCR's. Les

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:29 AM 2/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Joe wrote: > >> No, don't say excellant condition, just say unknown condition. That way >> no one can say that you ripped them off. >> >> Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 sectors. I just >> found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. > >Yeah, but will anyone really notice? Ok, I'll punch a few extra holes >here and there. LOL! that should do it! Joe

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OT: Nasty Hangnail; Cuban Cigarettes; Caberet Voltaire and KISS?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> 3. I've heard rumors that Cabaret Voltaire and KISS are going on tour > > KISS = the original HP10, yes? Can't think of any reason the take that > machine anywere.... Eh? Wasn't KISS a German home computer? Or am I quite round the twist? ISTR it had a programming language based on Deutsch in much the same way as BASIC is based on English? Anyone else hear of this machine? (I expect I'll now find that Hans has one or something?) Philip.

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Picture of Old-Dead Macs

by todd.osborne＠barnstormer-software.com

This is going to seem like an odd request, but I am doing a presentation which will include some "bad apples". You know, the human kind. But, to add some humor, I would like to find a picture of some really trashed, or a pile of trashed, old Apple computers. I don't know where to find this, and you guys have always amazed me at what you were able to locate, so I am hopeful you can provide a link. Thanks! Todd Osborne Senior Software Engineer FMStrategies, Inc. http://www.fmstrategies.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- FMStrategies, Inc: tosborne(a)fmstrategies.com Internet E-Mail: todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com -------------------------------------------------------- Founder of the Virtual Windows Class Library (C++) http://www.barnstormer-software.com/vwcl/ -------------------------------------------------------- Anagrams? (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/) Can you figure out this one? Want the answer? E-Mail me. COCO VERDI MOM (Hint: Think Late 1970's Computer) -------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "The timid die just like the daring, and if you don't take the plunge then you'll just take the fall" - Michael Longcor

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Picture of Old-Dead Macs

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

There used to be some great pictures of dead apples (the machine variety) at a place called "murphy's junkyard" or "Murhpy's surplus" on the web. Not sure of the exact name, but search on the web for murphy's junk or surplus and you'll find the site. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Todd Osborne <todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:53 AM Subject: Picture of Old-Dead Macs >This is going to seem like an odd request, but I am doing a presentation >which will include some "bad apples". You know, the human kind. But, to add >some humor, I would like to find a picture of some really trashed, or a pile >of trashed, old Apple computers. I don't know where to find this, and you >guys have always amazed me at what you were able to locate, so I am hopeful >you can provide a link. Thanks! > >Todd Osborne >Senior Software Engineer >FMStrategies, Inc. >http://www.fmstrategies.com/ >-------------------------------------------------------- >FMStrategies, Inc: tosborne(a)fmstrategies.com >Internet E-Mail: todd.osborne(a)barnstormer-software.com >-------------------------------------------------------- >Founder of the Virtual Windows Class Library (C++) >http://www.barnstormer-software.com/vwcl/ >-------------------------------------------------------- >Anagrams? (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/) >Can you figure out this one? Want the answer? E-Mail me. >COCO VERDI MOM (Hint: Think Late 1970's Computer) >-------------------------------------------------------- >Quote: >"The timid die just like the daring, and if you don't take the plunge then >you'll just take the fall" - Michael Longcor > >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by joe＠barrera.org

>With all due respect to your employer, Joe, I'm imagining being >violently ill. So just exactly how much respect *is* "all due respect" in this case? :-) - Joe

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 06:46 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::I haven't seen the FAQ in ages but I think most DCR's actually shipped with >::16k of Video Ram, thus "cost reduced." The 64k units were called something >::else. My 128dCR has 16k. : ( > >Are you sure you have a DCR then? The shell should be metal. All the DCRs I've >seen have 64K. > >Also check your board. You should have the HMOS SID (CSG 8580), and the -03 >(I think) ROMs. Yup, case is metal and it even has stamped on the boards. Les

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Recent aquisitions

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Friday, February 12, 1999 12:10 AM, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner [SMTP:spc@armigeron.com] wrote: > > This past weekend was the annual Miami Hamboree, a show for amatuer ham > radio enthusiasts, although they have equipment other than just radio stuff, > like computer stuff! > > There's two main rooms for mainstream companies and two other rooms with a > flea market feel, with long tables and good deals if you know how to haggle. > Sean, I also went to the Hamboree and was real impressed at how much electronic "stuff" was there. I didn't see too many interesting computer items but, I did come home with a real clean Kaypro II and a Compaq luggable. Including admission and lunch, I spent less than $40.00... Not a bad day. Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

Not true! Altair Mini-Disk BASIC was distributed on 5 1/4" hard-sectored disks with 16 sectors (not 10). The MITS controller consisted of two S-100 cards that was mostly TTL (nothing fancy like a 1771). - Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:22 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for > > > > < Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 > sectors. I just > <found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. > > Apple or PCC/altair minifloppy? if yes then wrong. They > were both soft > sectored. It was the 8" altair disks that were hard sectored > and it was 26 sectors if memory hasn't lost a bit. Somewhere in the > junkbox is a Pertec minifloppy controller for s100 that how I know, > it's 1771 based. > > > 10 sector was most commonly Northstar* MDS. > > Allison >

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Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2?

by grant＠anachronism.sol.co.uk

Any ideas where to find info on the data format? ---------- > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2? > Date: 10 February 1999 19:22 > > > > > Is it possible to connect a AT/PS2 keyboard to Sun3/80's? > > Two answers : > > 1) No, the data format/protocol is totally different > > 2) Yes, anything can be linked to anything. But it would take (at least) > a microcontroller to do it. > > Which applies depends on who you are :-) > > -tony >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Don't forget to do the same thing for VMS source (alpha and vax): < < http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62831750 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62837222 < <These went for $265.00 and $232.50, respectively. < <Having VMS source would be cool. But were these disks readable? Did they <even have anything on them? Who knows. All the seller knew (said) was: < < Don't know much about this one ... its a four disk set .. < I dont have the books or the box it came in. It says on < each disk "OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 Operating System" then "Source Listings" < <Think of the possibilities. NT Source on CDs... Windows 98 source... use <your imagination. Not on a bet. VMS source would be HUGE, if it were a four disk set it would have to be LS120 or ZIP disks to hold it. Likely same for NT. Allison

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Seeking CDC Sabre Info

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: I just picked up a CDC 9720-500 Sabre 8" drive (SCSI version). Anybody got docs for this thing? Especially the power hook up, and dip switch settings. (Now I have to scare up +24v @ 3A). A scrap dealer near where I work just tossed three of these that were SMD! Arrrrgh! Thanks! Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 sectors. I just <found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. Apple or PCC/altair minifloppy? if yes then wrong. They were both soft sectored. It was the 8" altair disks that were hard sectored and it was 26 sectors if memory hasn't lost a bit. Somewhere in the junkbox is a Pertec minifloppy controller for s100 that how I know, it's 1771 based. 10 sector was most commonly Northstar* MDS. Allison

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Intel 4040 - was Intel 4004 simulator and tools

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I'm getting this opinion straight from Ted Hoff himself. I don't know <where my notes are on this and I can't remember the details, but I think <there are some significant differences between the 4040 and 4004. The <8008 was supposed to have been based on the 4004 architecture, extending <it with more instructions and such. The 4040 was, I think, a whole <different design by a different team inside Intel. The 4004 and 4040 are very similar. the 4040 adds a few things like extra registers. The 8008 is really a 4040 stretched to 8bits. The 8080 is really pretty close to the 8008 though not object code compatable. I have the intel books on them so it's not like I didn't check. ;) Allison

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Intel 4004

by allisonp＠world.std.com

payroll as well as it did 20 years ago. Printers are faster too, I guess, <but since the essential demise of multi-part paper, it takes about as long <to generate the 4-part documents as ever. Huh? The company I work for has 35pc and an intranet but invoices and 6 part sales orders are still punched out using Epson 1624s and Diablo H-IIs! Allison

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by joe＠barrera.org

Don't forget to do the same thing for VMS source (alpha and vax): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62831750 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62837222 These went for $265.00 and $232.50, respectively. Having VMS source would be cool. But were these disks readable? Did they even have anything on them? Who knows. All the seller knew (said) was: Don't know much about this one ... its a four disk set .. I dont have the books or the box it came in. It says on each disk "OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 Operating System" then "Source Listings". Think of the possibilities. NT Source on CDs... Windows 98 source... use your imagination. - Joe

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Off Topic? Anyone have manual for IBM 4019

by rcini＠msn.com

I got an old IBM laser printer this weekend from a friend of mine. It's the IBM 4019. It's not a Lexmark one, but one of the old workhorse "leave it running 24/7 and it'll outlive all of us" IBM printers. Weighs a ton. Does anyone have a spare manual for it that I can get? Thanks! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>

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Newly acquire stuff

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:16 PM 2/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >> Nope... How about the Altima 1 and 2? (See >> http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/alt2.htm) Not quite the standard layout, > >Error 404, File not found? I think the Amstrad looks better :). Whups, 404 is the hospital room # my dad is in... it must have worn off on me. 8^) It's http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/altima2.htm all spelled out. But, I'll agree, I do like the Amstrad better. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Hazeltine?

by fpp＠concentric.net

You are right it was ADM it is hard being dyslexic !

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question about a tandy 1000

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have an original Tandy 1000, a 1000TL, a 1000SX and a 1000TX. The TL is the only one that boots from ROM. The older ones didn't. I agree in the fact that they're not worth much. The SX and TL were complete systems (TL had an EGA monitor), and the SX and the original were floppy models. I got them all for free, all working. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 >On Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:25 PM, Michael A. Rivas Sr >[SMTP:mrivas@caribe.net] wrote: >> my brother got a hold of a tandy 1000. when booted up it asks for a boot >disk which he does not have. i have two questions >> 1) what can i do about the boot disk? >> 2) what does a tandy 1000 go for? >> << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.gif >> > >Michael, > >1.) I've had several different 1000s and each of them would boot from ROM >if a disk wasn't available. Since the ROM included a FORMAT command, you >could make your own bootable disk. > >Some of the models might have worked a little differently. Exactly which >model do you have (1000TL / 1000HD / 1000RL ...)? > >2.) There were about a trillion of these things made so, the value is >pretty low. I have seen them for as little as $10 at the flea market >without a monitor or hard drive. The monitor could cost another $10 to $15. >The hard drive with OS might add another $10. > >So, the value of the complete working system would probably be in the $30 - >$50 range... > > >Regards, > >Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> > > >

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Newly acquire stuff

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

[Amstrad PPC512] >Strange looking computer IMHO. It's the only laptop with a full-sized >keyboard (including cursor pad and numeric pad). The thing is wider than >a PDP11.... Nope... How about the Altima 1 and 2? (See http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/alt2.htm) Not quite the standard layout, but still a full keyboard, iirc. I think also, some of the new machines with the 15" screens have full keyboards. But yes, the PPC512 (and PPC640) are definitely odd ducks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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OOPs AT&Ts

by lfb107＠psu.edu

> > No not yet. I'm going to try and get the parts and make a terminal >cable tomorrow. You have to be REAL careful which way the pins go on that. I had to make two of 'em because the FAQ (where I found the pin assignments) wasn't really clear which way you should be looking at it. (They ended up being opposite) >>If the root password is changed, your going to be screwed without system >disks. > > I'm afraid you're right. That's the nature of Unix. I was lucky on mine. All of them came from the factory with a preset password which was *something* like "MPC" or something like that. Anyway, it should be in the 3B2 FAQ. Les

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Intel 4004 simulator and tools

by elvey＠hal.com

mbg(a)world.std.com (Megan) wrote: > > How about simply making them available from some site somewhere > and sending everyone a pointer... > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer Hi Megan I have the ftp on a later mail. I would like people that use it or download it to contact me first. I am still making the occational enhancement and will keep a list. The simulator was specifically setup for the SIM4-01 board but could be easily modified for most any hardware. It is just a matter of mapping RAM and I/O's to different variables or arrays. All the source is there so one can dig into it as much as one wants. Most of the changes I've been making are to add comments to some of the less clear coding I did. As I reread it, I often realize it isn't even clear to me and I know it needs a comment. I'm always looking for feed back as well. The entire thing can be easily expanded to deal with the 4040 as well. Anyone wanting to do such, should let me know. Dwight

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

by Mits Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This Item Was A PCC Product (see logo on lower left corner of label) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Item: 5 1/4" Altair Minidisk Basic Disk Version 4.1; December 1977 by Pertec Computer Corporation Micro-Systems Division Copyright 1977 See: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62821235

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Help: scanning old computer manuals

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I guess what's confusing me the most is that the "line art" setting on my scanner software gives horrible results no matter what type of document I scan - no matter how clear, it comes up trashy. However, as others suggested, I changed it to "256 shades of gray" and the scan is infinitely better. Even after removing the moire/descreen, the letters still look a little "ghosty". I just want to make sure the scans look good for everyone else when I put them up. Thanks to everyone for their input! Jay West

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Sun Keyboards -> AT / PS2?

by grant＠anachronism.sol.co.uk

Is it possible to connect a AT/PS2 keyboard to Sun3/80's? If so, does anyone have a wiring diagram or a souce for adapters? Thanks in advance. Grant Mitchell R&D Software Engineer - Hitec DMS Ltd. gim(a)hitec-uk.com

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Mac keyboard adapter

by PB14＠leicester.ac.uk

On 10 Feb 99 at 12:58, KNIGHT G.A wrote: > I'm not sure if there is a condition called > MissedComputerDumpage Syndrome but I think I may be a > sufferer. A friend of mine at the other site at my > university (Staffordshire) has just told me the computer > department chucked over 50 68040 Apple Macs into the skip > the other day. He only managed to get one for himself. What > a waste. The only problem is that the computer is missing a > keyboard. Is there anyway that you can make an adapter to > plug a PS/2 keyboard into the Mac? I'm stunned that any university department could be so stupid. Over the last year my immediate work section has offered >100 five year old computers to other university departments and all machines were claimed within hours. As somebody said, a PC keyboard will not work. Tell your friend to look out for an original Apple Extended Keyboard II which has a wonderful feel and response. They are occasionally advertised on the uk mac adverts newsgroup. Phil ************************************************************** Phil Beesley -- Computer Officer -- Distributed Systems Suppport University of Leicester Tel (0)116 252-2231 E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk

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Intel 4004

by edick＠idcomm.com

Good Work! Now, do these tools run on the machine itself, or do they require cross-development? Either one's fine, of course. What do you have your machine doing? Dick ---------- > From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Intel 4004 > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:43 AM > > Hi All > I have gotten my 4004 development unit up and running. > In doing so, I made some tools. I have a simple > assembler, disassembler and a simulator. If anyone > would like copies of these tools, let me know. > Dwight

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HP TSB, Docs and O/S

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I'm glad I got the first batch of docs for the 2100 stuff. But given that the second batch of HP docs which I did not get went so fast, I have to suspect there's some other 2100/21MX lurkers on the list :) One of these days I'll get around to cataloging all the HP docs/manuals/tapes, etc. that I have. At that point, copies are available to anyone here at no charge (except actual copying and shipping cost). Enjoy! Here's an HP2000 question for you all.... Looks like I'm coming into a FULL SOURCE code listing of the Time Shared BASIC (TSB) operating system for the 2000F variety. However, it is in printed format (about six LARGE three ring binders). Is there any better way rather than just keying in the source? I was thinking perhaps OCR, but I don't know how good my OCR program is (haven't used it yet). But even if that works, OCR mistakes would be very hard to find and certainly a tad annoying at compile time! Perhaps if anyone else here is interested in this, the binders could be split up and each person scan, ocr, and check their section? Just a thought... Jay West

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Error 33?

by joebar＠microsoft.com

We know what "Error 33" means. But why 33? Why not 23 or 43 or...? - Joe ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:26 AM >But why 33? "Catch 22" came from a book; "four-oh-four" comes from an >HTTP error code. Where did the number 33 come from? > >> -----Original Message----- >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:24 AM >> >> >"Error 33": when the success of your research depends on the success >> of >> >someone else's research. I think it was coined at PARC, but I'm not >> >sure of that. >> > >> >Marvin. >> >> That's the attribution (PARC) given in the Jargon File. >> >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $10 2.50!

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

You'll need a little sandpaper and some salad oil to properly age the label, I should think. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:37 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50! On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Joe wrote: > by Mits Inc. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This Item Was A PCC > Product > (see logo on lower left corner of label) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Item: 5 1/4" Altair Minidisk Basic Disk > Version 4.1; December 1977 > by Pertec Computer Corporation > Micro-Systems Division > Copyright 1977 > > > See: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62821235 That does it. I'm pulling out an old dot matrix printer from my collection and an Apple //e. I'm then going to design a label that looks just like the one on the disk in that auction and print a bunch up. Then I'm going to figure out how to make it aged a little (or why even bother...I'll just say its in "excellent condition"). I will then sell these disks on ebay every other week. Don't say I didn't warn you. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 01/15/99]

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Intel 4004

by joe＠barrera.org

Doug, I know damn well you don't buy your 4004s at Fry's. Fry's charges too much for them, and you're too cheap. I don't know where you get 4004s, but I get mine at Home Depot -- they're about $0.39 a pound (if you bag them yourself). And the Home Depot ones can usually be overclocked up to 3.3 GHz. (I assume you're talking about the GaAs 4004s -- I wouldn't bother with those old ECL ones.) - Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David Freibrun wrote: > >> You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >Everybody in the Valley has a bunch of them, David. We get them at Fry's. > >-- Doug > >

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C128 (was: some finds...)

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 12:09 PM 2/9/99 -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >::> ... my lovely 128DCR ... > >::Did Commodore Retire ? > >Oh yeah. Sorry :-) > >DCR = D Cost Reduced > >The 128D(CR) are the 128s with integrated 1571 disk drives. The D series have >flat 128 electronics (16K VDC RAM, 6581 SID) and the 1571 on a separate board. >Externally, they have a plastic shell. They are virtually unknown in North >America. > >The DCR series, which came later, are a one-board design with the upgraded >128 ROMs, 64K VDC RAM and the 8580 HMOS-2 SID. Externally, the shell is >metal. They are the only type of D series 128s sold in America, but they are >also in Europe in small quantities (later German 128Ds, for example, are >really 128DCRs with the German-language EPROM). Despite the name, for my >money, the DCR seems to be more solidly built. The metal case holds my 1702 >monitor (heavy!) without so much as a flex or even a buckle. I haven't seen the FAQ in ages but I think most DCR's actually shipped with 16k of Video Ram, thus "cost reduced." The 64k units were called something else. My 128dCR has 16k. : ( Les

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some finds...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Nice find Alison! The best thing about the 128 was the color monitor <that may/may not have come with it. You can use it for a CGA monitor I believe the monitor is a zenith mono. I have VGA color only and a bunch of mono Herc mono monitors. Such is life. <with an XT et al and as a vcr/tv tuner monitor as well. Of course it <has a 64 chip in it as well as a CP/M. I have lots of info and 64? I know it has a 6502 and z80. <peripherals and software if you need anything. Pocket Writer 128 is a <good WP and, believe it or not, it is still available retail. I have a spreadsheet a few games and Jane word processor. If the CP/M disks I got are good then I can move some of the better things I have on to it. I also have the test/demo and tutorial disks. Seems like an unmodified machine. It's unique in that it's the only other one I have that the standard OS is CP/M-3 (aka CP/M plus). My Visual 1050 is the other. I prefer to run V2.2 on most of my z80 based machines. Allison

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FW: Many older computer related and electronic data books FS.

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Folks, this looks like a good one. Sounds like the fellow's getting rid of a whole bunch of docs that are right up the 'Classic' alley. Check the URL listed in the message itself if you're interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:55:54 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc you wrote: >>x-no-archive: yes >> >>I have hundreds of computer-related books for sale for the following computers: >> >> Amiga >> Atari 8-bit >> Apple II series & IIGS >> Commodore 64/128 >> IBM compatible >> TI-99/4A >> >>The majority of my computer books are for IBM and Apple series. There are a >>handful of books for the other computers listed. >> >>I also have a few dozen electronic data books, mostly from the 1980's. I'd be >>happy with $2 or $3 each for most of the data books. >> >>I have a large number of books about DBase III+ and IV books, older releases of >>AutoCAD, and programming languages such as C and Pascal. There are also a >>handful of technical, electronic, physics and math text books. >> >>In general I don't expect a whole lot for old books of any kind, so I'm looking >>for offers in the $1-$5 each range on most, with the exception of some of the >>more valuable reference/text books. >> >>I am trying to sell some of my books because I'm going to be moving >>long-distance in a few months and I need to thin them out. I am trying to >>organize my book list by computer type and sort out the ones I want to keep from >>the ones I want to sell. Unfortunately the list is a bit mixed up at this point, >>but if you have a little patience you can use your browser to search through it. >>Then make offers on anything that interests you and I'll let you know if I will >>sell it for that. >> >>A word of warning: Most of my stuff is at least 5 years old, so if you are >>looking for new or cutting edge stuff, I probably won't have it. If you >>are looking for rare, older stuff, I might have it. Check out my web >>page for lists and details at: >> >> http://www.silcom.com/~tiger >> >>The email address provided above is invalid to discourage spam. My real email >>address can be found on my web page. Thank you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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Intel 4004

by joe＠barrera.org

I'm petrified you wood bring this up again, Doug... ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >So, where were you during the wooden laptop pun fest? I was waiting for >the one about counting the rings instead of using date codes for wood >chips. > >-- Doug > >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> "Would you like 4004s with that?" >> A >> -- >> >> PS: It's a pun. Here in Australia, fries are actually called "chips".

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OT: Care and feeding of vacuum tube electronics?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

> >And while an audio amplifier performs a very simple analogue computing >function, I still think it's mildly off-topic. NOTE : I am not flaming >anyone for going off-topic, just stating what I think the boundary should be. > Well, I can relate it in one way to classic computing. I've got an ancient Bell (late 40's) tube amp connected to an old ad-lib card in my 1985 IBM 5170 so I can get better sound than with the teeny 2" speaker that came with the card (yes - it has a mono output). -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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Intel 4004

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

"Would you like 4004s with that?" A -- PS: It's a pun. Here in Australia, fries are actually called "chips". -----Original Message----- From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David Freibrun wrote: > >> You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >Everybody in the Valley has a bunch of them, David. We get them at Fry's. > >-- Doug > >

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New find: Calculo Analog Computer Kit

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

A new addition to the collection, but missing the documentation... a 'Calculo Analog Computer Kit' from 'The Science Materials Center: a division of the Library of Science' in New York. The box indicates that the unit was copyrighted in 1959. Made up of a couple of lever switches, three potentiometers, a meter, and a pair of flashlight batterys. Looks like the docs probably detailed assembly notes, principles of operation, and expirements. Anyone familiar with this critter, and perhaps have a copy of the manuals for it? (pictures soon) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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question about a tandy 1000/Graphics

by roblwill＠usaor.net

-----Original Message----- From: Ward D. Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 >The original Tandy 1000, 1000HD and a couple of others didn't have >the DOS ROM, that was added a couple of years into the history of >the product line. But any stock 360k MS-DOS will work, though >there were a few utilities unique to the 1000 on the official >version. But every Radio Shack store is supposed to have a CD >that can be used to recreate old Tandy DOS, Setup and utility >disks for any of the Tandy PC compatibles -- this of course leaves >out the Tandy 2000 and any of Tandy's real computers. > They are? They told me I had to special-order disks from RS-Unlimited for $10 each. >Where do we suddenly get two people in one day with attached >graphics? And the one _must_ have been reading this list for a >while, he'd copied a quote that I composed while listening to the >song I took it from. And you don't find Michael Longcor tapes at >your local Sam Goody's. He was probably using a HTML-compatible compatible (such as IE) to read the mail, and just hit "reply". It's the sidebar stationary image file. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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question about a tandy 1000

by roblwill＠usaor.net

-----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:33 PM Subject: RE: question about a tandy 1000 > >I believe only the Tandy 1000HX had DOS 2.11 in ROM. All other T1000's do >not. > The TL series had DOS 3.x and part of DeskMate in ROM. -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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some finds...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Yes, you type 'go 64' in the 128 screen or you have a key down when you tur <it on. If you don't have a manual, I could look it up for you but there ar <two ways of getting into 64 mode, as I recall. There were few games writte I do have the manual or two and aat least two games. Allison

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Intel 4004

by edick＠idcomm.com

Actually, I'm not that excitable about making old hardware work. I am interested when someone does some of the things I did with parts with which I didn't. I didn't get interested in microprocessors until the 8008, which, by the way, though still functional when I unplugged it from the circuit board, became a "high-tech tie-tack" which I wore from time to time along with others of about the same ilk and vintage. With all the fascination over the internet and GUI OS's, etc, it's easy to forget that the old 8080 can still process the words and generate the payroll as well as it did 20 years ago. Printers are faster too, I guess, but since the essential demise of multi-part paper, it takes about as long to generate the 4-part documents as ever. Some things will just always be painful . . . <sigh> I find it interesting to note, however, that you've taken the pain to do this work yourself. Rest assured, it can't be any worse than the tools everyone who worked with this primitive beastie had to use. Dick ---------- > From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: Intel 4004 > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 2:28 PM > > "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > > Good Work! > > > > Now, do these tools run on the machine itself, or do they require > > cross-development? Either one's fine, of course. What do you have your > > machine doing? > > > > Dick > > Hi Dick > I use a PC to develop on. I don't have enough ROM space > on the 4004 system to do very much. The developement > system is currently running the code that came with > it. It was intended to program 1702A's. It does this > well. > I am writing code to make a 4 function calculator > that runs through the serial line used for the programmer. > I've desided to use BCD math since it has instructions > built in that deal with doing BCD corrections. The RAM > orginization is well suited for 16 digits of BCD for > each data value. > To get copies of my tool set, down load: > ftp://ftp.hal.com/pub/elvey/I4004.ZIP > You'll also need a Forth interpreter because everything > is in source and not precompiled. I used the Freeware > Forth called FPC. You can download a copy from the > site: > http://www.forth.org/compilers.html > I also included tools to convert Intel hex to binary > and back for those that need this format for their > particular programmer. There are some assembly example > files called *.AS4 that will get you started. > Let me know if you have any questions. You don't need > to know Forth to use the tools but you can do more > advanced things if you do. For the most part, the READ.ME > file should be enough to get you started. > What is your interest in working with the 4004? > Dwight

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Accidental deletion

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I think I might have accidentally nuked some responses to my latest manual offering. So far, I've received one offer from Hans Franke. Was anyone else interested in a Motorola 68000 'ExorMacs' System Manual? Three inches thick and 9+ pounds, vintage about 1980. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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