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FS: IBM PS/2 model 50 or 50Z power supplies (set of 2)

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have 2 power supplies for the PS/2 50 series of computers, as one unit to get rid of. Both are from working units. One has a red paddle, one white. One is from a 50 and one from a 50Z, but are interchangeable. The set of 2 goes for $5.00 to the first to claim them, plus the applicable USPS shipping. The two weigh about 6-7 lbs. USA and APO/FPO only please. Please include your postal zip code so I can reply to you with a shipping amount. The units are located in zip 40144. Money orders only please.

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... )

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<drives, normally packaged externally to the cardcage, was most often a <50-pin flat cable, though a 37 could have handled the task if you didn't <mind that there was not a ground for every signal. The early FDD's were True. <typically hard sectored and used more signals than were required by the <later models. Not always true. If the FDD internal data seperator was used hard sector added 0 (sector holes in same cylinder as hub) or one line (sector holes at perimeter) depending on model. <The insides of the ALTAIR FDD box were not simple and clean like their <successors. Not really. It was pretty vanilla. the board set was a horror. ;) Allison

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... )

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I'm not sure you're right about the assertion that 37 is enough. Maybe, <but the old drives used more signals than the later ones. At this point I'd say this. I was there and used then first products. I even hand made cables. The oldest 5.25 floppies didn't used the full 34 pins and the 8" drives didn't either. Many of the pins in the 8" case were used in exchange for others but the odd pins in both 8" and 5" were all ground and you didn't have to use all of them. the latter being the common case. the best example of this is the DEC VT180 CP/M machine D37 on the back of the box to a DB25 on the drives. The drives were SA400L or tandon TM-100. <The shielded cables using the DC37 connectors certainly were more durable <than the IDC50 types one often sees, but the cable hardware in the ALTAIR <box certainly was the cheapest available. I doubt it was any more solid <than the IDC types. Believe it. The cable was hand wired and IDC in the mid '70s was really new, expensive and not quite ready for pimetime. IDC was more an early 80s item brought to the party. I have the small but significant advantage in that I was old enough to have been in the engineering business over 6 years before the altair. So I got to "be there and see there" alot. That and I bought an early Altair and helped a few business and hardy hackers build and get theirs going. Allison

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Do you mean that the various systems that used the 37-pin D-sub actually <used the same pinout? I was of the impression that there was no standard <for it (before the IBM PC created a defacto standard in 1981), so I <assumed that the IBM, DEC, and Xerox stuff probably used entirely unrelate <pinouts. They all used he same connector... none wired it the same that I know of. Allison

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Apollo memory boards seen

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I saw a bunch (10?) of Apollo memory boards (4 MB?) at WeirdStuff Warehouse (http://www.weirdstuff.com), which is located in Sunnyvale, CA. The boards are in the "As-Is" section, and are $10/each, and are about 4 or 5 inches on each side. SS

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SunOS 4.0.3

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> wrote: > It looks like the last version of SunOS that I can run on a Sun 1/100U > is version 4.0.3, however i'm not sure if I have enough ram to use that > version. It looks like I can only add 2 ram boards, and all I have > are 1Meg ram boards... You could probably run any earlier SunOS. I used to run 3.5 on my 2/120 and 2/50, but I had 4MB in each, later 7MB in the 2/120. I also remember getting X11R4 to build and run on the 2/120 under 3.5, but can't remember how much memory I had at the time, just that it took 18 hours to build. I'm thinking 3.5 would be lighter than 4.0.x. I remember thinking about getting 4.0.x for my 2/120 so it would support SCSI disks (besides ST506 and ESDI disks attached via Adaptec ACB4000 and Emulex MD21) and deciding against it. > The Sun 1/100U does not have any way to connect peripherals such as > hard drives, so the unit will have to be booted from the network. > I guess its almost time for me to brush up on tftp protocol, assuming > I can find some OS to run on this computer. Last time I looked through /etc/rc* on a SunOS 4.1.4 system, I noticed that nd support was still there, and thought that it was probably still possible to get it to act as a boot server, even for SunOS 3 for the Sun-2. I'm not real sure how you would install it with just the tapes and a tape drive on the newer system though, but then I can't remember how I got the 2/120 to boot the 2/50 either. -Frank McConnell

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for... )

by edick＠idcomm.com

What I find odd about the MITS FDD is that they used a 37-pin "D" connector and cable as opposed to the 50-pin more commonly seen on the 8" types. I found one among a set of enclosures I bought about 20 years ago. While this is already promised out (once I find the top of the box), I do know that there's an ALTAIR hard disk controller box, apparently with a drive inside, judging from the weight, at Gateway Electronics in Denver, (303) 458-5444, if anyone's interested. It's the same size as the ALTAIR FDD box. Dick ---------- > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for > Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 6:34 PM > > > <True enough I'm sure. MITS also produced a "mini"-floppy controller that > <was also a two board TTL set. The first board (computer interface) was th > <same board as in the 8" set (except for different RC values), the second > > Well heres where I stand on it. Never seen one, I was there, and never > seen an advert for one, I have back issues. Was it possible, sure. The 8" > design with some tweeks would certainly do minifloppy. > > Allison

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Need Civilization Pointers... (was: Re: Intel 4004)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> wrote: > No offense, but my father (who has been there several times) says it's > dangerous for the same reason he calls California "the land of Fruits and > Nuts." daemonweed[121] % fortune -o -m granola %% (fortunes-o) Living in Hollywood is like living in a bowl of granola. What ain't fruits and nuts is flakes. daemonweed[122] % I don't know how long that's been in the fortune file, but I remember it from when I lived in Maryland so it's probably before 1989. -Frank McConnell

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hamfest and HP cables

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I also found some HP cables. They have a DB-25 female connector and a 36 > pin Aphenol connector on the other. They have part number 13242D on them. > Anyone know what they're for? "Aphenol" connector? Does this look like it wants to fit over a card edge, or like it wants to fit a connector with ears e.g. "Centronics" printer connector? If it's for a card edge (which I think it is -- I think 13242 is the part number for this), it's the cable that goes between a 264X terminal's datacomm card and...hmm, female connector, 13242D, I'm going to guess it's to connect up to some sort of DTE-type device but I'm not sure which. -Frank McConnell

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Hard Drive Partitions

by manney＠hmcltd.net

Yes, I guess that would have been polite to have provided more details. Sorry. These are WD Caviar IDE drives, one around 200, the other around 500, master/slave jumpers correctly set, running as single drive off IDE channel #2 on a P1 (socket 7) motherboard. Running Win95 "A". The BIOS autorecognizes both drives. Thanks for any input Manney >> I have a couple of old WD hard drives I'm trying to revitalize. They say >> they have no partitions, but when I try to lay in a partition, they say >> there's no room. >> >> Would a LLF take care of this (vide recent discussion)? > >What model drives? What model controller(s)? "Old" is a flexible >term with computers, and WD has been around through a lot of the >evolution of hard disk technology. Some combos don't work at all, >attaching a WD1003 controller to a Caviar of any size doesn't work, >for example >-- >Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> > >WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco, >and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it. >

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Intel 4004

by davidfreibrun＠home.com

in other words the 4004 is not a particularly collectible item huh? that is if everyone can get one at frys. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >> > You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? > >> Everybody in the Valley has a bunch of them, David. We get them at Fry's. > >Why do I have a strong negative feeling against you at some moments ? > >H. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... )

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm not sure you're right about the assertion that 37 is enough. Maybe, but the old drives used more signals than the later ones. The shielded cables using the DC37 connectors certainly were more durable than the IDC50 types one often sees, but the cable hardware in the ALTAIR box certainly was the cheapest available. I doubt it was any more solid than the IDC types. Dick ---------- > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... ) > Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 12:38 PM > > > <What I find odd about the MITS FDD is that they used a 37-pin "D" connecto > <and cable as opposed to the 50-pin more commonly seen on the 8" types. I > <found one among a set of enclosures I bought about 20 years ago. While > > Standards and common connectors. My Vt180 (uses minifloppies) also uses > D37 on the cpu end rather than 34 or 50 pin. Reason, higher reliability > connector (more costly too). Lots of system used that as the connector > instead of the now common IDCs. > > FYI even for 8" disks of the 50, 25 lines are ground there are a few unused > and others that were not often used so 37 pins are plenty. > > Allison >

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... )

by edick＠idcomm.com

There's good reason for that, namely, that the 8" FDD, for which a standard then existed, used a 50-pin cable, while there seemed to be several variations early in the mini-floppy game. The 37-pin cable you see on the IBM-PC FDC is certainly not the same, nor was it ever very important. The cable between the FDC in an S-100 box and the drives, normally 8" drives, normally packaged externally to the cardcage, was most often a 50-pin flat cable, though a 37 could have handled the task if you didn't mind that there was not a ground for every signal. The early FDD's were typically hard sectored and used more signals than were required by the later models. The insides of the ALTAIR FDD box were not simple and clean like their successors. Dick ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altairdisk sells for... ) > Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 12:49 PM > > > Well, I would not venture to suggest just where it originated, but the > 37-pin D-sub connector has pretty much (there have been exceptions) been > the standard for connecting external floppy drives of all sizes. Almost > all PC (ISA) FDCs that support external drives use it, and the Xerox 820 > (CP/M) series used it. Most S-100 crates did not, as they typically ran > the ribbon cable direct from the card to the drive. > > - don > > > On Sat, 13 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > What I find odd about the MITS FDD is that they used a 37-pin "D" connector > > and cable as opposed to the 50-pin more commonly seen on the 8" types. I > > found one among a set of enclosures I bought about 20 years ago. While > > this is already promised out (once I find the top of the box), I do know > > that there's an ALTAIR hard disk controller box, apparently with a drive > > inside, judging from the weight, at Gateway Electronics in Denver, (303) > > 458-5444, if anyone's interested. It's the same size as the ALTAIR FDD > > box. > > > > Dick > > > > ---------- > > > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Subject: RE: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for > > > Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 6:34 PM > > > > > > > > > <True enough I'm sure. MITS also produced a "mini"-floppy controller > > that > > > <was also a two board TTL set. The first board (computer interface) was > > th > > > <same board as in the 8" set (except for different RC values), the second > > > > > > Well heres where I stand on it. Never seen one, I was there, and never > > > seen an advert for one, I have back issues. Was it possible, sure. The > > 8" > > > design with some tweeks would certainly do minifloppy. > > > > > > Allison > > >

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Sun 1/100U

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Well, I'm taking a few polaroid's of a Sun 1/100U, and noticed a few strange things. First, Sun liked to place round colored stickers on the boards, and they placed the date and a persons initials on the sticker. The strange thing is, on the cpu board, the sticker is dated 3-22-81, which is 2 years before this board was created! Sun 'upgraded' these units to use sun 2 cpu's, and the company only started shipping the first Sun 1 units in May of 82, and the 3Com board has a date of 9-21-83 which makes more reasonable sense to me (I had heard that we purchased the last of the Sun 1 units and a bunch of sun 2's, as part of a package discount deal). Anyways, it seems strange. Another strange thing about that cpu card, is that sun apparently didnt have any 24 pin DIP sockets, because they placed 16 and 8 pin DIP sockets next to each other on two occasions to form a larger socket! Oh, and I've always wondered about the 3 MBIT connector on the back of the unit, which is in addition to the 10 MBIT connector. -Lawrence LeMay

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RCS/RI

by max82＠surfree.com

Does anyone know if RCS/RI is doing anything this sunday, and if so: what time does it start, what time does it end, and where are they located? Thanks very much --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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PDP-8/E available...

by mbg＠world.std.com

Please contact the person in the message, not me... I'm just forwarding it from the newsgroup it was posted in... - - - - - Hi Folks. I am a software engineer and a "computer history enthusiast." I am looking for another such enthusiast to take over a project which I never got started... I am looking for a good home for my Digital = PDP-8e. The setup is fairly complete. The main enclosure itself appears to be fully populated with core, and I was told when I rescued it from going to the junkyard (9 years ago) that it was still working when they took it out of commission. (I have still not yet attempted to run the machine.) I have the original DEC "instrument rack" housing, a BIG whomping power supply, a 20 MB hard disk (six or eight full-sized 12 inch platters!), dual floppy drives (those are REAL 8 inch floppies), dual "minifloppy" drives (yup, the "little" 5.25 inch ones), and probably some other hardware lurking in that corner of my garage. I also have paper tapes (but no reader) for the following: * Monitor (they now call this a BIOS) * Utilities * Fortran compiler * Assembler ( I think I've got 5 different assemblers: - plain vanilla - relocating - macro - symbolic - macro symbolic - relocating macro symbolic ) * Other assorted goodies Here's what I am offering: [0] I am willing to part with all this FREE OF CHARGE! Provided... [1] You must be serious about RESTORING and PRESERVING this important piece of computer history! [2] Computer museums get first priority; then other museums, then private individuals. Ranking within these groups will be "first come, first served." Above all, I will attempt to be fair. [3] I would prefer the whole works go as a single batch to a single person/organization. If the end result is *more than one* working PDP-8 on display in more than one place, however, then I will be more inclined to split things up. [4] You are responsible for picking up the items or arranging their shipping. I've "paid" for the storage of this for 9 years, all I ask is that you pay for the shipping or pick it up yourself. [5 I would like to come see the machine in working condition (actually doing something) when you are finished with the project. I'll arrange my own transportation -- all you have to do is supply the invitation! :-) * * * Please let me know that there is someone out there with the interest in computing history to want to restore this cool machine, and with the skills to be able to do it!! Thanks in advance, -- john baldwin --=20 John Baldwin | jt.nojunk.baldwin#radio(a)link.net To decode address when replying by email: [1]remove 'at', [2] # becomes @, [3] remove spamblocker plus both = delimiters. - - - - -

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I own a copy of Minidisk BASIC and it is on a 16 sector hard sectored <diskette. I also own an Altair Minidisk drive unit that has the Altair <Quality Control tags still attached with dates ranging from 4-14-77 thru <6-31-77. < <Hope this makes sense, That is truly unique as I still have some old catalogs and newsletters >from MITS and also Byte, Interface Age, Kilobaud and there is no hint of that beast.

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ALTAIR stuff (was Re: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for... )

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<What I find odd about the MITS FDD is that they used a 37-pin "D" connecto <and cable as opposed to the 50-pin more commonly seen on the 8" types. I <found one among a set of enclosures I bought about 20 years ago. While Standards and common connectors. My Vt180 (uses minifloppies) also uses D37 on the cpu end rather than 34 or 50 pin. Reason, higher reliability connector (more costly too). Lots of system used that as the connector instead of the now common IDCs. FYI even for 8" disks of the 50, 25 lines are ground there are a few unused and others that were not often used so 37 pins are plenty. Allison

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front panels (again)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Here's the list I've got so far: <> <> Intel Intellec-4 <> Intel Intellec-8 <> Scelbi 8H <> Mark-8 <> Datanumerics DL8A <> Altair 8800 <> BYTE, Inc. BYT-8 (and Olson 8080) <> IMSAI 8080 (and OEM versions) <> Altair 680 <> Ithaca Intersystems DPS-1 NEC PDA-80, an 8080 development system(8080 powered). <> mini's, and I'd especially like to know which computer first used this <> human interface. All of the first machines. As to being an interface it was more of a necessity as most did not have the ROM/PROM needed to boot without manual intervention or as a diagnostic tool. Allison

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Attn PC-jr Fiends!

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: I have a NOS PC-jr joystick. The box is kinda messed up, but otherwise, the stick is brand new. Anybody want it? Make me an offer, private e-mail. Thanks. Jeff Jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

I'm sorry! After reading my own email it appears a little gruff. I certainly didn't mean to offend you. All I'm trying to say is that MITS did have a 5-1/4" hard sector system available. - Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [mailto:allisonp@world.std.com] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:34 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for > > > > <True enough I'm sure. MITS also produced a "mini"-floppy > controller that > <was also a two board TTL set. The first board (computer > interface) was th > <same board as in the 8" set (except for different RC > values), the second > > Well heres where I stand on it. Never seen one, I was there, > and never > seen an advert for one, I have back issues. Was it possible, > sure. The 8" > design with some tweeks would certainly do minifloppy. > > Allison >

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

The docs I have are titled "Altair 88-MDS Minidisk Documentation" they are copyright MITS, Inc. 1977 and listed as First Printing, July, 1977. The documentation describes both the controller card set and disk drive unit.

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PCJr Color Diplay for adoption

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have a PCJr Color Display monitor, complete with the authentic block type connector that APPEARS to be in working condition that I really need to find a good home for. Not free, but cheap enough - $10 plus the applicable USPS shipping (insurance at your request) My guess is the weight is around 26 lbs. The monitor is in great phyical shape but has NOT been tested on a Jr for picture. It does power and does give raster on the screen so I can say that it is apparently in working condition. The $10 I want for it basically covers what I have in it besides the time in locating a shipping carton and hauling it to the post office, along with the minor differences (if any) in calculated postage. This is for USA addresses only. I know people ship things outside the US all the time, but I don't have the time or the patience for the added paperwork and other thing involved in out of US shipments. Contact me by direct message please, not by replying to the list. The monitor would come from zip 40144 in cae anyone needs to sneak a look at approximate postage themselves. I hate to see a possible addtion to a Jr collection go to the dumpster because someone was too cheap to spend a few bucks on it.

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Blinkenlights

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Doug wrote: << It is possible that Berkeley got the idea from working on the Univac (in the late 40's, when it was being designed by EMCC). I suspect that the earlier relay machines also used lights to help debug faulty relays, but I'm really looking for when lights were first used for output and switches used for input, similar to the way a bunch of the mini front panels worked. (It may be that Simon was the first -- I dunno.) >> Just a few weeks ago I looked at the Harvard Mark I, and I know very well the Zuse machines. No lights! John

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Zeos Laptop

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Someone gave me a ZEOS 386 laptop, Model S99102-000, circa 1990. It was in need of some minor repairs which were no problem. There is a small empty compartment of the left side, measuring 1/2" by 1 1/2" and about 4" deep and with a 20 pin edge connector at the back. Zeos support tells me that the only option for that was a 2400 baud modem and it is no longer available, which I sort of figured. I got to thinking that if that card connector were a serial port, it would not take much to fabricate a board to bring the right signals lines out to a 9 pin D connector to add a second serial port. My question is whether the 20 pin connector is a subset of the I/O bus or is it a serial port? If it is a serial port, then what is the pinout on the 20 pin connector, which signals are which pins? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike Thompson

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Tek 4051 and 4907

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I've been looking in my old Tek catalogues and the disk drives for the 4050 series are model number 4907, not 4097. This is from my 84 catalogue. Option 31 is three disk drives, option 30 is two disk drives and option 40 is 4052 and 4054 compatibility. Paxton

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Intel 4004

by davidfreibrun＠home.com

You have an Intel 4004? Where did you obtain this? -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <erd(a)infinet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Intel 4004 >> >> > From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> >> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> > Subject: Intel 4004 >> > Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:43 AM >> > >> > Hi All >> > I have gotten my 4004 development unit up and running. >> > In doing so, I made some tools. I have a simple >> > assembler, disassembler and a simulator. If anyone >> > would like copies of these tools, let me know. >> > Dwight > >I would *love* some 4004 tools. I have a 4004 that I plan to build >into a project someday. It came out of a non-UPC grocery store barcode >scanner I bought at the Dayton Hamfest in 1983. > >Thanks, > >-ethan

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OT: Re: How does gigabit ethernet work?

by joe＠barrera.org

>When you're talking about "digital" signals above 500 MHz (as would be >found on gigabit ethernet twisted pairs), it is very hard to convincingly >describe them as digital. Sure, they are enocded from digital bits, and >the are decoded back into digital bits at the other end, but what happens >inbetween is analog (and basically black magic at that). While we're not on the topic, please tell me... is light "really" a particle, or "really" a wave? How about electrons? - Joe P.S. No, I am *NOT* serious, I do *NOT* want to read such a discussion.

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Sun 1/100U ... it LIVES!

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

My Sun 1/100U lives once again... reseated the boards and realized someone had removed the ram board. I just happen to have ram boards that came from a sun 2 server, and poof! It lives! The monitor is in pretty good shape, the image is shifted a bit, but it looks like its mostly if not all visible. The main problems are: I have no idea how to enter the local prom mode, or even if there is a local prom mode.. Whups! Looks liek one way is to let the computer time out on its boot attempt. I still cant get any help on available prom commands. 'printenv' printed a small hex-dump like thing, then immediately the screen cleared and rebooted... Anyways, main problem is going to be locating the OS for this computer. Does anyone have SUN OS for a Sun 2 class computer? I forget what its called, suntools or sunview or something like that.. -Lawrence LeMay

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hamfest and HP cables

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I just got back from the opening day of the Orlando hamfest. So far I picked up an Apple IIc plus, three more Compaq Portables IIIs, three HP 97s, a HP 92, two old HP catalogs and two old Tektronix catalog and this is only this first day! I also found some HP cables. They have a DB-25 female connector and a 36 pin Aphenol connector on the other. They have part number 13242D on them. Anyone know what they're for? Joe

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APOLLO 400

by amirault＠epix.net

Hi Everyone, I got home a little while ago and have been attempting to get my 486 working with two modems. I just remembered that I wanted to get online and chat about the APOLLO. 1. The first card is a national instruments corps. assy. 180100-02 REV. J GPIB-PCII copyright 1989 2.the display board is a madel 56-3118 A-3011-56 3. Two SIMMs made in Puertico Rico 56-3118 N10106 SIX empty SIMM slots 4.Motherboard A-3050-09 3115-1152 Made in USA 5.Does anyone have a MONITOR for this or can you TELL me what type of monitor to get. 6.Can I put the harddrive in a PC W/SCSI adapter card and use it as is without reformating? 7.Compared to a PC how fast is this?(i.e> is it a 486, a P-80, P-300, 8088) Thanks for listening to me, John Amirault

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Panasonic Hand Help Computer

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Grigoni <msg(a)computerpro.com> >Does anyone have any documentation... I may have some stuff your looking for. I have a HHC that was sold as a package by Kentucky Central Life Insurance ( bill of sale says for $650.) I have the: HHC, printer, touristor luggage ;) And... Manual: Model: RL-H1000/RL-H1400 Instructions for use Manual: User Manual, romPower by Pictorial, Universal Life Plus, Commonwealth Insurance Manual: Handheld Computer Instructions, Kentucky Central Life Insurance And several eproms RomPower Capital Holding Master A RomPower Capital Holding Master B RomPower Capital Holding, Classic +, Indiv. Tables KCL VIP KCLVIP Util KCL VIP Tables If you need anything... - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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M SoKit 68

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

In 1983 at the end of taking a digital tech course at a community college here in Toronto at George Brown CC, I spent about a month assembling and debugging a trainer kit that my prof was marketing, similar but more sophisticated than the Heathkit ET34400. It was called a M(icro)SOKit 68. It was based , of course, like the ET3400 on the M6800 CPU. Does anyone have one of these out there ? It was geared to teach students about micros by building their own micro. I know he sold a number of them, but don't know how many. I have the manual, parts #s, etc. if anyone is interested. Included in the manual is a couple of pages of layouts obviously meant to be photocopied and etched. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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UZI

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Okay, CP/M people: where would I find information on UZI? Someone was talki <porting it to the 6502. Simtel site or WWW.psyber.com/~tcj (uzi for z180 port). Note the bulk of UZI is in C but the devices are in ASM. Allison

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<But wasn't the mini-floppy actually produced by iCom, and then labeled as <a MITS product after Pertec acquired both MITS and iCom? What's the <copyright date on your docs? Yep, I have one of those. An Icom frugal floppy but that was 1771based. Allison

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<True enough I'm sure. MITS also produced a "mini"-floppy controller that <was also a two board TTL set. The first board (computer interface) was th <same board as in the 8" set (except for different RC values), the second Well heres where I stand on it. Never seen one, I was there, and never seen an advert for one, I have back issues. Was it possible, sure. The 8" design with some tweeks would certainly do minifloppy. Allison

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Graphics board APOLLO 400 Two subjects,one message

by amirault＠epix.net

HI All, I need some help please. I have an ATI small wonder graphics solution Ver. 2 P/N 18703 Rev.0 copyright 1988. I also have a DTK model PIP-151 W/8088 CPU in it and 640kb RAM. My question on these two items is> Are they compatable? If the answer to that question is yes, can, and will, someone give me the jumper settings for jumpers 1,2,3 ? If no, then what kind of adapter card do I need to hook up an IBM model 5153 monitor? I have several old moniter adapter cards. Can I increase the RAM in the DTK PIP-151 past 640kb? If yes, how? If no, thanks. On another subject I took the APOLLO 400 apart and have some numbers to ask about later, after I get to my other house, the one with the classic computers in it. John Amirault

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860

by Xerox860＠aol.com

Dear Charles, I saw your ad on line. We have 7 or 8 860s, with spare parts for all. There were 2 versions, one with a Pl printer where the orange print button was pushed downwardly, to operate the printer; and 2) a HY-TYPE II printer, where the orange printer button was pushed from front to back to start the printer. If you have this latter version, with the very thick cable from the controller to the printer, then the printer is a HY TYPE II, a rock solid machine, like a battleship. These have a few quirks. Sometimes, the pwr. sup. burps, and you lose the boot-up. I was unable to fix this. However, if you disconnect the printer when you do your composing, backing-up, and so forth, the decreased load (printer not drawing current) will not cause this burp to occur. At least that is what we found. Hope you can get yours working. Let me know how you are doing. Thanks. Ken Lehmann, Fairfield, CT

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wanted: 1/2" magtape cleaner

by eric＠brouhaha.com

I have some old 9-track tapes that are too grubby to read; they actually get stuck in the drive and have to be manually rewound. Does anyone have an extra magtape cleaner?

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How does gigabit ethernet work?

by arfonrg＠texas.net

Sorry, I know this wasn't classic computer stuff but, I figured that you guys would know the answer. Let me push the question a bit more.... -How do they squeeze that much data down the line? Fiber-optics cabling only? Data multiplexing? -How do they discriminate the beginning of one packet from the end of another when running at such high speeds? >Arfon, this isn't "classic computer material." However, they work by being >very fast. There are several architectures that support multigigahertz >operation and by processing in parallel you get added avantages. Some of >the first Gbit routers had several processors one for each packet that came >in. I believe the Terabit routers are still doing this. > >--Chuck > >At 02:33 PM 2/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >>Can anyone tell me how they gigabit ethernet works? >> >>How can they get such high data transfer rate and how can the cards process >>the packets so fast??? > > >

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S/W available

by manney＠hmcltd.net

Available is Lotus 1-2-3 V1.1 for UNIX (5 1/4" and 3 1/2" media) WordPerfect 5.1 for UNIX Make offer to manney(a)hmcltd.net

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Poly 88

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

I have a Polymorphic CPU/8 board and a Video Terminal Interface, both looking a little beat up and, of course, without any documentation :-( I'd really appreciate copies of manuals so I could get them going again. The Tiny Basic sounds great too and I'd love to have the files to try to burn some eproms. Arlen Michaels ----------------- On Tue, 09 Feb 1999, Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote: > Dwight Elvey wrote: > > > > Hi All > > I have an old Poly 88 ( the first single button frontpanel S-100 ). > > It has Tiny Basic in PROMs. If any out there would like to > > fill the two empty sockets on their CPU board, let me know and > > I'll have the parts read out. > > If you need docs on the Poly 88, let me know as I have the masters for > quite > a few of the Polymorphic board manuals. I don't think I have Tiny Basic in > Prom, and I would love to get a copy of the binary file! Also, I have > quite > a few of the CPU, Video, and Disk controller boards, although most seem to > be missing a few parts (they look like production boards that didn't quite > get built up all the way.) > > Marvin > > -- > Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com > > >

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Intel in hot water again, interesting reading!

by edick＠idcomm.com

The solution's simple . . . don't use an intel processor. Goodness knows they're overpriced! Has AMD started doing this? Dick ---------- > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: OT: Intel in hot water again, interesting reading! > Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:48 PM > > FYI > > > > > <http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/scoop-top.gif> The Scoop > > http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif > ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> > >http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif > ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> > >http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif > ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> > >By Fred Langa > >By Fred Langa > > > >InformationWeek > > > >You probably saw the original coverage of Intel's announcement that it would > >embed an individual serial number in each Pentium III and Celeron chip. The > >96-bit ID can identify the user's PC to any software that knows how to ask. > > > >Immediately after the announcement, various consumer watchdog groups went > >ballistic. Epic, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, launched a > >boycott of Intel, calling it the "Big Brother Inside" campaign. Epic says > >the processor serial number, "would likely be collected by many sites, > >indexed and accumulated in databases...The records of many different > >companies could be joined without the user's knowledge or consent to provide > >an intrusive profile of activity on the computer." > > > >Intel immediately backed off a bit by announcing that although the serial > >number would ship enabled on every chip, Intel would provide equipment > >manufacturers with a small software applet that could be used to prevent > >access to the number. However, the software must work (it hasn't been tested > >yet); it must be properly installed on each PC; and it must be run after > >every reboot. > > > >Epic says that because this approach "relies on a software patch that must > >run each and every time that a user turns on the computer, it is susceptible > >to tampering by other software programs." So, Epic's boycott is still in > >place: The group insists that Intel should disable the processor serial > >number at the hardware level, where it will stay disabled until the PC owner > >turns it on. > > > >To further muddy the waters, the processor serial number may not be very > >secure. CMP Media's Electronic Engineering Times quoted cryptography expert > >Bruce Schneier, who talked about the prospect that the serial numbers can be > >forged or stolen: "A system is only as secure as the smartest hacker," he > >said. "All it takes is for one person to defeat the tamper resistance. > >There's always someone who manages to unravel the protection. There isn't a > >copy-protected piece of software that hasn't been stripped of its > >protections and posted to hacker bulletin boards. This won't be any > >different." (For the full story, go to "Intel ID Protection Scheme Called > >Insufficient.") > > > >Of course, there are legitimate and useful purposes for this kind of ID, > >especially for resource-tracking within an enterprise. Indeed, some > >workstation manufacturers already include similar functions on their > >enterprise-ready boxes, and some enterprise software products use these > >serial numbers for licensing. But Intel is attempting to broaden this > >practice to an unprecedented degree by putting the ID number on every chip > >and enabling it by default. Toss in only weak assurances of the serial > >number's security and only a weak turn-off option, and you're got a > >firestorm of protests. > > > >Last week, I conducted an informal online poll among the readers of Windows > >Magazine. The reaction was eye-opening: Out of hundreds of posts, virtually > >all were vehemently anti-Intel. And in that huge majority, most people swore > >their next PC purchase would be AMD-based, until and unless Intel either > >removes the processor serial number or allows it to be disabled in hardware. > >One reader suggested the clever idea of resurrecting the old "turbo" switch > >approach and placing a simple serial number enable/disable button on the > >front of every PC. (You can read more on the controversy and see reader > >reaction at Windows Magazine: Big Brother Inside?.) > > > >I was amazed at the absolute intensity of the reader posts. It's as though > >the processor serial number was the last straw for many people: Intel's > >history of high prices and other public relations fumbles (like the > >floating-point math bug) seem to have built up a huge reservoir of > >resentment that's now spilling over. I think we're seeing the start of a > >strong anti-Intel backlash, analogous to the anti-Microsoft fervor that's > >changing the operating system landscape. > > > >Fred Langa is a senior consulting editor and columnist for Windows Magazine. > >Fred's free weekly newsletter is available via subscribe(a)langa.com > ><mailto:subscribe@langa.com> . You can contact him at fred(a)langa.com > ><mailto:fred@langa.com> or via his website at http://www.langa.com > ><http://www.langa.com> . http://www.techweb.com/ <http://www.techweb.com/> > >

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UZI

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for $102.50!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 09:36 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Sam wrote: > >That does it. I'm pulling out an old dot matrix printer from my >collection and an Apple //e. I'm then going to design a label that looks >just like the one on the disk in that auction and print a bunch up. Then >I'm going to figure out how to make it aged a little (or why even >bother...I'll just say its in "excellent condition"). I will then sell >these disks on ebay every other week. > >Don't say I didn't warn you. No, don't say excellant condition, just say unknown condition. That way no one can say that you ripped them off. Just remember that they're hard sectored disks with 10 sectors. I just found a box of them in a surplus store a couple of days ago. Joe

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I haven't seen a V7.x VMS source kit, but the V6.1 kit that I have comes o <2 CDs which are pretty much full. Makes interesting reading on cold winter <nights... < <Interestingly the licence you sign before gaining access to the source CDs <says something along the lines of "I promise never to sell/give/other thes <CDs away". I doubt anyone would give them away as the license to see whats on them was at last call well over $3000(US)! The distribution kit fits easily on one CD though. Allison

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OT: Intel in hot water again, interesting reading!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

FYI > > <http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/scoop-top.gif> The Scoop > http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> >http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> >http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif ><http://img.cmpnet.com/tw/newsletters/blank.gif> >By Fred Langa >By Fred Langa > >InformationWeek > >You probably saw the original coverage of Intel's announcement that it would >embed an individual serial number in each Pentium III and Celeron chip. The >96-bit ID can identify the user's PC to any software that knows how to ask. > >Immediately after the announcement, various consumer watchdog groups went >ballistic. Epic, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, launched a >boycott of Intel, calling it the "Big Brother Inside" campaign. Epic says >the processor serial number, "would likely be collected by many sites, >indexed and accumulated in databases...The records of many different >companies could be joined without the user's knowledge or consent to provide >an intrusive profile of activity on the computer." > >Intel immediately backed off a bit by announcing that although the serial >number would ship enabled on every chip, Intel would provide equipment >manufacturers with a small software applet that could be used to prevent >access to the number. However, the software must work (it hasn't been tested >yet); it must be properly installed on each PC; and it must be run after >every reboot. > >Epic says that because this approach "relies on a software patch that must >run each and every time that a user turns on the computer, it is susceptible >to tampering by other software programs." So, Epic's boycott is still in >place: The group insists that Intel should disable the processor serial >number at the hardware level, where it will stay disabled until the PC owner >turns it on. > >To further muddy the waters, the processor serial number may not be very >secure. CMP Media's Electronic Engineering Times quoted cryptography expert >Bruce Schneier, who talked about the prospect that the serial numbers can be >forged or stolen: "A system is only as secure as the smartest hacker," he >said. "All it takes is for one person to defeat the tamper resistance. >There's always someone who manages to unravel the protection. There isn't a >copy-protected piece of software that hasn't been stripped of its >protections and posted to hacker bulletin boards. This won't be any >different." (For the full story, go to "Intel ID Protection Scheme Called >Insufficient.") > >Of course, there are legitimate and useful purposes for this kind of ID, >especially for resource-tracking within an enterprise. Indeed, some >workstation manufacturers already include similar functions on their >enterprise-ready boxes, and some enterprise software products use these >serial numbers for licensing. But Intel is attempting to broaden this >practice to an unprecedented degree by putting the ID number on every chip >and enabling it by default. Toss in only weak assurances of the serial >number's security and only a weak turn-off option, and you're got a >firestorm of protests. > >Last week, I conducted an informal online poll among the readers of Windows >Magazine. The reaction was eye-opening: Out of hundreds of posts, virtually >all were vehemently anti-Intel. And in that huge majority, most people swore >their next PC purchase would be AMD-based, until and unless Intel either >removes the processor serial number or allows it to be disabled in hardware. >One reader suggested the clever idea of resurrecting the old "turbo" switch >approach and placing a simple serial number enable/disable button on the >front of every PC. (You can read more on the controversy and see reader >reaction at Windows Magazine: Big Brother Inside?.) > >I was amazed at the absolute intensity of the reader posts. It's as though >the processor serial number was the last straw for many people: Intel's >history of high prices and other public relations fumbles (like the >floating-point math bug) seem to have built up a huge reservoir of >resentment that's now spilling over. I think we're seeing the start of a >strong anti-Intel backlash, analogous to the anti-Microsoft fervor that's >changing the operating system landscape. > >Fred Langa is a senior consulting editor and columnist for Windows Magazine. >Fred's free weekly newsletter is available via subscribe(a)langa.com ><mailto:subscribe@langa.com> . You can contact him at fred(a)langa.com ><mailto:fred@langa.com> or via his website at http://www.langa.com ><http://www.langa.com> . http://www.techweb.com/ <http://www.techweb.com/> >

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Hard Drive Partitions

by manney＠hmcltd.net

I have a couple of old WD hard drives I'm trying to revitalize. They say they have no partitions, but when I try to lay in a partition, they say there's no room. Would a LLF take care of this (vide recent discussion)? Thanks manney

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Recent aquisitions

by spc＠armigeron.com

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E-Over Pay strikes again! original Altair disk sells for

by dougdu＠MICROSOFT.com

True enough I'm sure. MITS also produced a "mini"-floppy controller that was also a two board TTL set. The first board (computer interface) was the same board as in the 8" set (except for different RC values), the second board was completely different. I have the MITS docs for the "mini"-floppy system and it is documented as a hard sectored using 16 sectors per track. I also have an Altair Mini-Floppy BASIC disk and it is also hard sectored with 16 sector holes. - Doug > -----Original Message----- > No. The original disk for the altair before they became > Pertec Computers > was an 8" system using two boards of TTL. I know I built > three of them in > that era and debugged a few more. All if the later Pertec > machines with > minifloppies had a board that used a 1771 plus a raft of ttl. > > I might add the Pertec controller was sold before the Pertec > aquired MITS. > > > Allison >

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