You know, I've been told it's painful, but is it dangerous?
I just told another group about the supply I have (It outputs 110AC, 30hz,
.06 amp), and realized it's 110. Isn't that dangerous? If I really did zap
my kid brother with it, would it just hurt or could it really HURT him?
-------
One of my 2100's has developed a problem. It was working fine for some time,
but was only powered up occasionally. The problem started when I ran some
burn-in diags over several days. The machine started acting funny, and when
I powered it off and back on, there's no front panel display at all - no
lights. However, all the fans come up, one of the internal boards that has
an on-board led is lit, and I checked all the outputs of the power supply
and they're just peachy. I moved every single card (including the front
panel) from the bad system to another system and it then runs fine so I know
it's not any cards. I suspect the power supply, but as I said all the
outputs appear good. Gawd I hope nothing happened to that wire-wrap
backplane.
Can anyone offer some advice? I'm starting to pour over the schematics on
the power supply - wondering if something is amis with the poweron or
powergood signal perhaps but I don't know much about it.
Any tips most appreciated!
Jay West
Hi all...
I am still looking for any information I can find on a Sony SMC-70. User
Manual, pinout diagrams etc. Any info would be appreciated. I have CP/M
disks.
tia
jeff duncan
Here's a new discussion for ya': a top ten list of the best laptop
kayboards! I already know who's going to be number 1, but, just the same,
here are my picks for the list:
Postion Laptop
1. TRS-80 Model 100
2. TRS-80 Model 200
(In the Top 5) Macintosh Portable
(In the Top 10) Toshiba T-1000
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I got a couple of "free" VT320 terminals with a system I picked up and they
both work but they are both pretty dim. (one is reasonably bright after a
30 - 40 minute warm up). Now in the video game market there are kits to
rejuvenate a tube but I don't know what the equivalent would be for a
VT320. Tony? Anyone? Is there anything I can do?
--Chuck
Hi,
I've got a photocopy of the technical manual (mechanical breakdowns/etc)
for a Cipher F880/C880 available to anyone who wants it. It's a
professional-quality photocopy that John L. made and the original claimant
didn't want. Anyone with a need can have it...
Cheers,
Aaron
Here is someone with a Tandy 6000 system that needs to go to a good home.
Please contact the owner directly.
Reply-to: catskill(a)catskill.net
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:04:36 -0500
From: Catskill <catskill(a)catskill.net>
To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com>
Subject: Re: Old Working Computer
In Fleischmanns, NY 12430. The town is located in the southeastern tier of
New York (Catskill Mountain) about 100 miles due northwest of New York
City and 110 miles due east from Binghamton, NY.
Incidentally, I forgot to mention that then Tandy 6000 HD comes with a
harddrive and a "memory expansion unit" - also a few 8" disks.
----- Original Message -----
To: Catskill
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Old Working Computer
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Catskill wrote:
> One vintage Tandy 6000 in very good working order for the price of
> shipping it to you if you are interested.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany
VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*)
VCF East: Planning in Progress
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
John,
Well I know that A: I can;t afford all of it, and B: I don't need more than
one 11/34, etc., hehe. Anyways, I wanted to ask if you have a spare 11/34
front panel you could possibly spare, since mine has none. Also, the 2nd
weekend in March will be Wang day.
Will J
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--- "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)uswest.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have spent all day trying to get VMS 5.4 loaded onto my 11/750, but
> I can't figure out how to get standalone backup to find the hard drive.
>
> My configuration:
>
> CPU:
> 11/750
> Massbus?
> Emulex SC750/B? (RM03/RM05/RM80 compatible)
> Fujitsu Eagle (M2351?)
> Emulex SC750/B? (RM03/RM05/RM80 compatible)
>
> 4.3 BSD recognizes the Fuji drive, and calls it hp(0,0), but I can't
> get standalone backup (version 4.4) to recognize it...
All unicies I've worked with in the DEC world were great about non-DEC
disk controllers. Even 2.9BSD for the PDP-11 loves Unibus SMD disk
controllers in the install (xp driver).
> Any suggestions? I've tried DUA0, DRA0, DBA0, and several others...
ISTR that with third-party disk controllers, it was common to cut custom
SA Backup tapes. We always had SI/9900 controllers so I can't comment to
your Emulex boards specifically, but I know we had to patch the DRDRIVER.EXE
to recognize an Eagle as an oversized RM05. The smaller Fuji drive (a 160Mb)
showed up under VMS and UNIX as a pair of RM03s, DRA0 and DRA1. We didn't
have to do anything to the drives for that one - the geometry was emulated
exactly.
Depending on MASSBUS slot number (set by the jumpers on the backplane, but
typically never altered from factory spec), it's possible that your drive
might show up as DRB0 or DRC0, especially if there are multiple MASSBUS
options installed or even a second Unibus (L0010 card).
One of the features of later SA Backups was that it would print out your
available disk and tape configuration as part of the startup process. If
you are loading such a version and the tape drive shows up but not your
Emulex disk, suspect driver issues with the SA Backup tapes, especially if
they are DEC standard. I think that crept in around VMS 5, though. If
you can get a newer Backup, it might help you identify what, if any, drive
letters it shows up as.
-ethan
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--- Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> wrote:
> Upon the date 02:27 PM 2/27/00 -0800, John Lawson said something like:
> >again I stress that this is an all-or-nothing, I'm leaving the Hobby
> >and never looking back type of deal.
>
> I'm really sorry to see you leave John!
I agree.
> Not many of us folks have yet figured out how to make a typical
> minicomputer look like a piece of wood furniture in order to please
> the spouse/S.O. ;)
I do have these LSI-11/03 machines in 3' tall DEC cabinets with casters and
woodgrain formica tops - they could pass for end tables. I got them from OSU
at the surplus yard about 8 years ago - 11/03 w/DLV11J, RXV11, RX01 and a
small amount of MOS memory (8K?) They make up an important segment of my
basement work area as portable Qbus space with useful work surface on top.
-ethan
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<I have spent all day trying to get VMS 5.4 loaded onto my 11/750, but
<I can't figure out how to get standalone backup to find the hard drive.
The 750 kit had one tu58 with standalone backup on it. You need to get
tape or other removeable media that is bootable.
<PS I shudder to think of my electric bill this month... Yesterday I
<installed and played with 4.3 BSD, today I tried to install VMS...
<Fortunately it is cool enough outside, I can just open the door to
<keep it from overheating...
Shouldn't be that bad for the vax alone, the disks I don't know.
Allison
Heads Up... here's the Deal:
After much mental anguish and thought-form hand wringing, I think
it is best that I unload a Hobby or two and concentrate on other
things..
Therefore:
Seeing as how the Computers are taking up over 30% of my living
space, consuming financial, electrical, and temporal resources, but
not getting used for months at a time... well, you get the Picture.
I am going to sell everything that I now have related to classic
computing.. that is, all the Minis and Micros and everything related
to them: parts, spares, software, documentation, peripherals, sales
material, the related books library, cables, stuff, junk, and even
the little plastic bags full of odd lockwashers.
The Collection is primarily DEC PDP-11 Minis, several 11/34s,
several 11/44s, a few uVAXen, two PRO-350 etc.
The Micros are Apple IIs, Kaypros, various early portables, an
Intecolor with display and trackball, NorthStar Horizons, etc etc
etc etc......
And, 'Yes' this includes the IMSAI, the Altair, and the Heathkit
Large Analogue Computer, and several other quite rare items.
There are not a lot of conditions, save that I will be asking
somewhere between the high four-figures / low five-figures in US
Dollars, and that the Buyer is expected to take *everything*.. ie no
'cherry picking'. My intent is to get my living room back, not start
a part-time surplus business. The Buyer must come to my location
with a truck big enough to do the job, unless the Buyer is local
enough to make two or three trips in the space of a weekend.
The deal will be: We agree on price, you pay me, the check clears
the bank, you show up with truck, we load gear all day, I wave
goodbye when you/it leaves, period, as in sale final, as-is,
where-is, don't even say the word 'warranty' around me.
I'll be happy to discuss in detail with you as to what works, what
doesn't, etc.
The only exception to all of this is the MINC-11, which has been
promised to the Computer History Museum at Moffet Field.
I will send a complete inventory to serious requestors... and
again I stress that this is an all-or-nothing, I'm leaving the Hobby
and never looking back type of deal.
I am located in Los Angeles, CA for your logistical information.
Cheers
John
Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> wrote:
> Gods gift to computing ;)
> Surely you're referring to something other than the 3000/200... They couldnt
> even write a proper FORTRAN compiler for it. And we never did use the
> 5.25" floppy drives, they didnt seem to provide a proper file oriented
> way to access them (though I suppose it could have been just a lack
> of documentation).
Sounds like a 9000 to me; there never was a 3000 series 200. The only
floppy disc drives I ever heard of on 3000s were 8", and I don't think
that notion caught on.
And if you were using a 3000, you'd have noticed! 3000s don't run
Unix, they run MPE, which (back then at least) was clearly not
Unix-like. They also used to have a thoroughly record-structured
filesystem. Most folks just hate that, though I can't fathom why.
-Frank McConnell
Hi all,
I have spent all day trying to get VMS 5.4 loaded onto my 11/750, but
I can't figure out how to get standalone backup to find the hard drive.
My configuration:
CPU:
11/750
Massbus?
Emulex SC750/B? (RM03/RM05/RM80 compatible)
Fujitsu Eagle (M2351?)
Emulex SC750/B? (RM03/RM05/RM80 compatible)
Memory:
14Meg
Unibus:
TU80 controller
misc other boards
4.3 BSD recognizes the Fuji drive, and calls it hp(0,0), but I can't
get standalone backup (version 4.4) to recognize it...
Any suggestions? I've tried DUA0, DRA0, DBA0, and several others...
Thanks in advance,
clint
PS I shudder to think of my electric bill this month... Yesterday I
installed and played with 4.3 BSD, today I tried to install VMS...
Fortunately it is cool enough outside, I can just open the door to
keep it from overheating...
<He said _a_ 2909. That implies a 4 bit microcode address, which limits it
<to 16 locations. 16 micorocode words and a 4 bit ALU is a small processor
<IMHO. And being an AMD design they won't have simply concatenated an
<'instruction' from external memory (which this board probably doesn't
<have anyway) with those 4 bits.
The 16word microcode limit is the greater problem but, once you understand
how it word concatinating a few more solves that nicely. It's one heck of a
demonstrator.
<For people who've not come across the AMD sequencer chips, they're quite
<nice, and even have things like a return stack (about 4 levels IIRC) to
<allow for subroutines in the microcode.
Depends on which one. the 2910 is 5 and the 09/11 is 4. They are pretty
useful parts for lots of things.
<The 2910 is essentially 3 2909s together with some glue logic in a single
<chip. If you only need 4K of control store it's a nice chip _but it can't
<be extended to give more bits without kludging_. Three rivers made that
<mistake on the PERQ -- the first PERQ had 4K of control store and used a
<2910, all later models had 16K and used a 2910 and a '2 bit kludge' (pun
<intended!).
;) 2910 is a good part and easy to live with unless your doing complex
stuff.
Allison
Hello, all you guys out there
I'm wanting to try out one (or both) of Open BSD and NetBSD on my lil' ol'
Amiga -- I really need someone who has gone through the teething process of
formatting drives and instaling necessary files, etc.
Amiga o/s is neat, but Id like to get into something with a more viable
future.
Gary Hildebrand WA7KKP
Amigaphile and boatanchor collector
PS -- liked that ref to Univax -- reminded me of the Jetsons cartoon where
the robot was called Uniblab . . .
I still have two quick-reference guides for HP1000's available. Cost is
$5.00 each (includes mailing costs -- I decided to discount them some more).
First two takers in order of arrival of an E-mailed response get them.
Thanks much.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Thanks go to Craig Smith and Paxton Hoag for claiming the last of the
HP1000 quick-ref guides.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
On February 27, Innfogra(a)aol.com wrote:
> I just noticed that I have a 6 wide, Probably Unibus, DEC card with 8 Am
> 2901s on it. The number on the tab is L0400. Any idea what it is?
That's the data path board for a CI750, which is a CI interface for
a VAX-11/750.
-Dave McGuire
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>Any other AM29xx chips on it, like a 2909 or 2910 sequencer? Or is this
>just a demo board for a 4-bit ALU chip?
>
>It sounds like a really interesting find, though. The 29xx series chips
>were interesting devices that have been used in all sorts of machines.
Yep, there is a 2909 on board too....
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
If anybody is interested in this then contact Robert directly...
> From: rib(a)cannon-co.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I have an ancient system dating from circa 1980. It uses the old 8"
> floppy disks. it is quite heavy and bulky but would fit into an estate
> car. It is probably now quite rare but I want to get rid of it (free
> of charge) to anyone who is prepared to pick it from my address in
> Kent. The monitor has packed up but the disk drive/ CPU is working.
> I shall dump it unless you know of anyone who might have it.
>
> Robert Cannon
--
Kevan
On February 26, Mike wrote:
> Yep, she's a beaut... Its an Advanced Micro Devices Am2901 Evaluation and
> Learning Kit. It's basicly a complete front panel board with the cpu and
> everything.. It works. It has 3 nibbles of LEDs (for data display,
> pipeline register, and microword memory) and toggles for address, data,
> ram/mux select, run, load, and single-stepping.
I've got one of those too. What a cool board! I *really* like Am2901s.
-Dave McGuire
Aaron Christopher Finney <af-list(a)wfi-inc.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Stan Sieler wrote:
> > I thought the 2649 was the OEM version of the 2645 ... and that some
> > of them were sold to people who developed 2649-resident software.
>
> Exactly the case. In fact, I believe it was Wirt Amir on the hp3000-l list
> who was telling me about how his company actually programmed them to be
> stand-alone wordprocessors.
Yeah, I've just never gotten a close enough look at one to be sure.
Other 264X terminals do differ: 2640s have a processor card with
an 8008, and I never figured out what the processor was in the 2647F.
> Thanks for the info! $300 is more than I want to spend on this one, but I
> may have to figure out something if my patience starts to run out...
Hey, this isn't for a PDP-11 or a VAX, it's for an HP3000, which is
God's gift to computing.
-Frank McConnell
The annual Mike and Key Amateur Radio Club swap meet is coming up again at
the Western Washington (Puyallup) Fairgrounds on Saturday, March 11, from
09:00-15:00 Pacific time. Parking is free, admission is $6.00 with kids
under 16 free when accompanied by an adult.
Web info can be found here: http://www.mikeandkey.com/flyer00.htm
(shameless plug alert!) I'll be there selling this year. Here's a partial
listing of what I plan to bring:
Exabyte 8200 and 8500 8mm SCSI tape drives, cleaned and checked out.
A small (400W or so) UPS.
Motorola 'Micor' radios.
A Western Electric "shoebox" 1A2 key system cabinet and line cards.
Anything else I can think of to grab, and that will fit.
I want to bring out some DSD-880's, and maybe a Cipher front-loader, but
Eric Smith was supposed to pick such up from me. On the other wing, he did
not appear when he was scheduled to, and my E-mails to him have gone
unanswered.
Eric, if you're reading this, PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME! I'm willing to
hold the stuff you wanted for a reasonable amount of time if you'll just
commit to a pickup date. However, I need to clear space for future projects.
Thanks for reading, and I hope to see at least some of you there.
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
AT&T #B2 model 310 and Model 400
I just ran across these two machine along with some sort of AT&T external
case that goes with them. The model 400 has a damaged case, I haven't
looked inside. Rare, interesting, should I save them? I have read the 3B2
FAQ. Anybody else want them?
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Wolff (VAX collector) <vaxman(a)uswest.net>
>How many Am2901's does it have? Is it the 'HEX-29' 16bit computer that
>is shown in AMDs 'Bit-Slice Microprocessor Design' book and app notes?
Just one.
>> ;)
>> - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
I have a Zenith (Heathkit) H/Z-110 low profile computer with all the options
including the latest MB and 768K of RAM, Dual internal hard drives, outboard
1/2 height 8" Zenith drive unit, the color monitor and the Gemini IBM PC card
(boots PCDOS directly). User, Technical and Service manuals: Full, original
set. Software: Yeah! Lots of it. 15 to 20 original H/Z 3 ring binders of
documentation and at least 150 4.25" disks of software. Operating systems:
ZDOS, MSDOS, CP/M-80 and CP/M-86. I need room. Make me an offer. Shipping
is NOT desired as it will take 3 or 4 large boxes and a lot of work to do it.
Located in the St. Louis area.
Jay West is still working through the pile of H/Z-89 stuff he picked up from
me last month and I may have a few more items of that vintage, spare parts,
software and maybe one more computer, available also. If Jay doesn't want
them, they will be available. Again, I really don't want to ship the big
stuff.
Mike Stover, KB9VU
Really great radios glow in the dark
CCA# 404
MARS AFA3BO
Florissant, MO
I received this charming message from someone today regarding
the audio storage section of my web page http://www.threedee.com/jcm .
- John
:
:::
From: xxxxx(a)aol.com
:
::
:
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:35:59 EST
Subject: Cassete tape data storage
To: jfoust(a)threedee.com
:
:
:
When I first saw your page, I was surprised that such a technology ever
existed. Lately, I have been writing a windows program that stores data on
standard cassette tapes, like a cheap alternative to a tape backup drive. I,
being fourteen years old, was not around when the Commodore and other such
systems dominated the market, so I did not know that there was ever a way to
store data on cassette tapes. Once I am completely done, and I can fit a fair
amount of data onto a cassette, I will send you the program. If you know of
any other such programs, please tell me of them. I am interested to find out
more.
Can someone point me in the direction of info on the Sun SServer 690MP. I
have read THE SUN HARDWARE REFERENCE
compiled by James W. Birdsall and need more info.
I seem to have gotten a board set, no backplane, and am interested in
identifying some of the cards. Also looking for more info on the Ross CPU? Is
anyone running one?
OT because it seem to date from 1993.
Have CPU (dual Ross 40 MHz) wi 2 differential SCSI & Fiber & 128 meg ram.
501-2055 wi 2X 501-1902 & 370-1388
Extra memory card wi 128 Meg. 501-1767
PDX92B VME card to SBus ??? 201 963-02
3 IPI controllers 501-1539 & 2X 501-1855
HP 2xxx stuff
Just received this from someone who posted a paper tape punch on eBay.
I asked if he had anything else. Someone on the East Coast may be able
to work something out with him.
"From: Craig Smith <ip500(a)roanoke.infi.net>
Reply-To: ip500(a)roanoke.infi.net
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com>
Subject: Re: HP 2100 parts
References: <200002251910.LAA28768(a)spies.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Al,
No 2100 series stuff available but I do have a fair bit of 21MX and
HP 1000 [series E and F] computers and pieces around. Also just hit the
motherload on 2100 documentation----binders full! Am in the process of
sorting it all out. What are you in need of and are you close enough to
Roanoke for some heavy stuff. I've got a number of NICE rack cabinets
and a bunch of the big floor model disc drives in storage and rack mount
disc controllers. Also 2 or 3 of the 7970?? Reel to Reel
data recorders [HEAVY!!]. Lots of 2640 terminals and some of the later
terminals for the 3000 series.
I'm cleaning out a warehouse full of stuff I recently bought and really
am not sure of total numbers of stuff that will be available [or what
else is in there] Every day is a new find. Let me know what your looking
for and I'll do some digging.
Regards, Craig
"
In a message dated 2/26/2000 1:08:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
> I went into a surplus store today and found a complete set of HP logic
> probes, pulser, chip clip and comparator. I asked what the price was and
> the onwer ran over to his computer and checked to see what they were
> selling for on E-bay. Needless to say, I left without buying it.
Well, Joe, you are a good scrounger. I bet you will find another. Out of
curiosity what was he asking for the set?
Paxton
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
> Anytime! I had a ball! Mike forgot to tell everyone about his AMD 2900
>bit slice single board computer. THAT'S COOL!
I've had that one for awile and think I've mentioned it before, but....
Yep, she's a beaut... Its an Advanced Micro Devices Am2901 Evaluation and
Learning Kit. It's basicly a complete front panel board with the cpu and
everything.. It works. It has 3 nibbles of LEDs (for data display,
pipeline register, and microword memory) and toggles for address, data,
ram/mux select, run, load, and single-stepping.
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
"Careful Al,
You never know who's on the list server."
I figured you'd probably be here, but since you didn't post that
the stuff was available..
"No, pinhead, you give me a price, and I say 'yes' or 'no' to it..."
Did I say this was about you?
>At 04:37 26-02-2000 EST, a few wrote:
>
>>> I went into a surplus store today and found a complete set of HP logic
>>> probes, pulser, chip clip and comparator. I asked what the price was
and
>>> the onwer ran over to his computer and checked to see what they were
>>> selling for on E-bay. Needless to say, I left without buying it.
Yeah, I was there and pretty appaled too. Especially having to wait on the
owner's cheesy computer and connection speed to get the price quote. ;)
The scary thing is that this is where the Univac is and a resuce may entail
a purchase at Ebay's street price... LOL!
> They do turn up. Just be aware that there was a nearly identical model to
>the 545 that was only for ECL circuits, and the physical appearance
>(outside of the model number) is no different.
545A and 10525T probes came with my first 5036A trainer.
;)
- Mike
" Based on my conversations with him, I don't think he's
interested in selling anything off of E-bay"
My 'favorite' line from eBay sellers is
"If you're interested in something, let me know and I'll list
it on eBay"
No, pinhead, you give me a price, and I say 'yes' or 'no' to it...
Hmm... How big are we talking here?
-- Tony
> ----------
> From: Mike[SMTP:dogas@leading.net]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:08 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: A classic classiccmp day...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eros, Anthony <Anthony.Eros(a)compaq.com>
>
>
> >Where's the UNIVAC? Is there any possibility of a rescue on it?
> >
>
> It's almost in Orlando, FL. I'd probably be available to help in a
> rescue
> attempt... ;)
>
> - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
>
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Eros, Anthony <Anthony.Eros(a)compaq.com>
>Where's the UNIVAC? Is there any possibility of a rescue on it?
>
It's almost in Orlando, FL. I'd probably be available to help in a rescue
attempt... ;)
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
Hi everyone,
What a cool day. I woke up to a beautiful Florida morning and hopped in
the car and drove to Orlando and met Joe to 'hit the spots' (Thanks for
comming out to play, Joe!)
One stop yielded a Motorola EXORcisor chassis(woo hoo!), two ASR-32's with
tape r/w er's , and a 20 slot crate based on a General Micro Systems
6502/6802/6809/z80 sbc/card (currently with the 6809 module installed. It
has ports for pinter, i/o, rs232, and ieee-488) from circa 83 maybe...with
other cards including a Smoke Signal Broadcasting DCB-4E, a Digalog Systems
64k mem,. a Digalog Systems T Buss Controller, and a few other ufo's.
Anyone know anything about this one?
Also obtained on the trip: a pdp 11/05 that has the front panel, an ICE
sytem for Intel's 960/20, several boards with memory and a few with some
Am2901 processors, and a Fourth Cartridge (and entire setup) for a Commie
64.
I saw alot of interesting things that didn't come home with me (...yet...
;)) letsee.... The coolest was probably the Univac 1540. Never seen one
before, it had a lot of dings but *GREAT* front panallage and full
headdress. Wish someone would save that one. Something else I almost
picked up was an Intel GUIO MCS-51 thingy that I'm sure will cause regret in
time.
Well, guess I'll go play...
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
Where's the UNIVAC? Is there any possibility of a rescue on it?
-- Tony
> ----------
> From: Mike[SMTP:dogas@leading.net]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 7:48 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: A classic classiccmp day...
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> What a cool day. I woke up to a beautiful Florida morning and hopped in
> the car and drove to Orlando and met Joe to 'hit the spots' (Thanks for
> comming out to play, Joe!)
>
> One stop yielded a Motorola EXORcisor chassis(woo hoo!), two ASR-32's
> with
> tape r/w er's , and a 20 slot crate based on a General Micro Systems
> 6502/6802/6809/z80 sbc/card (currently with the 6809 module installed. It
> has ports for pinter, i/o, rs232, and ieee-488) from circa 83
> maybe...with
> other cards including a Smoke Signal Broadcasting DCB-4E, a Digalog
> Systems
> 64k mem,. a Digalog Systems T Buss Controller, and a few other ufo's.
> Anyone know anything about this one?
>
> Also obtained on the trip: a pdp 11/05 that has the front panel, an ICE
> sytem for Intel's 960/20, several boards with memory and a few with some
> Am2901 processors, and a Fourth Cartridge (and entire setup) for a Commie
> 64.
>
> I saw alot of interesting things that didn't come home with me (...yet...
> ;)) letsee.... The coolest was probably the Univac 1540. Never seen one
> before, it had a lot of dings but *GREAT* front panallage and full
> headdress. Wish someone would save that one. Something else I almost
> picked up was an Intel GUIO MCS-51 thingy that I'm sure will cause regret
> in
> time.
>
> Well, guess I'll go play...
>
> ;)
> - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
>
>
>
>
<Hmm, all this talk about anti-spam stuff and then suddenly "poof" I don't
<hear anything for hours. Wondering what happened....
<--Chuck
Donno.
Allison
>Stopped by the scrapper today and found this: IBM 3742 Dual Data Station.
>There's not much left of it, so I grabbed the little nametag off it for my
>archaic weird stuff to decorate the walls collection, but I'm curious what
>it is.
There may not be left of that particular unit, but the IBM 3740 series
(of which the 3742 is a variant) lives on today in every PC clone.
> The only thing I could find (in German, no less) was a mention from
>1975 about it having something to do with 8" disks and System/32.
In particular, every PC-clone uses a floppy disk format that's a very
direct descendant of the IBM 3740 format. Change the modulation from
FM to MFM, up the data rate, and that's all. And at least some of the
PC FDC's will read a IBM 3740 format floppy (see the discussions from
the past few years in comp.os.cpm about single-density capable
FDC's).
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
In a message dated 2/25/2000 1:10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rhudson(a)ix.netcom.com writes:
> 1 CRT (which was
> displayed in two displays with a mirror arrangement). the two users would
> sit
> facing each other with the floppy drive on the right for each. Each with
> their
> own keyboard.
I stand corrected. This is true. One monitor with mirrors to two displays. It
has been a long time. It was made by IBM.
Paxton
In a message dated 2/24/2000 8:55:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com writes:
> IBM 3742 Dual Data Station.
1975 about it having something to do with 8" disks and System/32.
A classic example of a huge plastic data entry workstation that resembled a
desk for two operators with a couple of small IBM boards in it. 150 pounds of
non recyclable plastic, IIRC. Two small 9"? mono monitors & two keyboards for
two operators to enter data. Two original IBM 8" disk drives. It has been 10
years since I have seen one so I hope my memory is correct.
It was a small business data entry station that could be better done with two
terminals. I believe it could be used with the System one besides the /32. I
also think you could hook up a printer directly.
IBM made things large because it was expected of them. After all in 1975 it
couldn't be a real computer peripheral or worth big bucks if it wasn't large.
Very poor scrap. 60 Cubic feet of plastic garbage. It definitely is a
collectable if complete and you have space for it. I doubt many were saved.
The chassis stuck around because 4 of them would fill a dumpster.
Paxton
Hi,
Stopped by the scrapper today and found this: IBM 3742 Dual Data Station.
There's not much left of it, so I grabbed the little nametag off it for my
archaic weird stuff to decorate the walls collection, but I'm curious what
it is. The only thing I could find (in German, no less) was a mention from
1975 about it having something to do with 8" disks and System/32.
Will J
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You can check the above URL for details, but the basic gist is that when
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As you may gather, this does open the possibility of "throwing the baby out
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we decided that there's no reason that our servers should have to converse
with other servers that are known to be insecure or frequent sources of
spam. We really really really dislike spam, and feel that this action is
wholly appropriate.
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Here is someone with a bunch of classic to semi-classic software for sale.
Please reply to the original sender.
Reply-to: urdahl(a)telus.net
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:08:00 -0800
From: Hans and Sharon Urdahl <urdahl(a)telus.net>
To: vcf(a)vintage.org
Subject: Software for sale
Could you please let me know if there is a internet site where I could
list these items Thank you.
Inventory list of software: Quantity:
Packard Bell MS-Dos 4.0 OPERATING 3 1
Combase (c) 1987 Data base communications inc. 8 New
Tandy 1000 Cat.no.25-1504 technical referenc manual 1
Tandy 1000 Cat.no.25-1501 MS-Dos reference manual 5
Packard Bell MS-Dos 4.0 SHELL 1
SVGV-UTILITY (disk 1&2) 5" floppy 1
Racal Interlan, Diags and drives for ni 5210 ver 2.0
contains 158-0248-00 24 New
Poly-XFR CP/M Comms communications for Rainbow 100 2
VISI CALC.instantly calulates elec.work sheet
user's guide for APPLE II&II plus 48k 16 sector 3
AccPac. Accouts receivable 10
AccPac. Accounts payable 8
AccPac. General ledger and financing report 3
Zenith data systems Heath software 3
Olivetti software libary STK 286 5 new
Olivetti MS-Dos pc 286 10 new
Microsoft M Basic 86 basic interpreter for rainbow 100 4
Rainbow 100 cp/m-86/80 operating system 1
Rainbow 100 user kit 1
Diskette drive head cleaning kit FD-08 Series 2024 5 new
Irish 5" floppy 1
Micom Philips 8" floppy 380
Flexible disk caddy for 8" floppy 33
Come Base user guide communication program for IBM PC 2
Packard Bell Modem 2400 BPS reference manual 2
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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<> with a seven deadly dirty words it was a risk to us as well. So it was a
<> condition of service or else...
<
<If you were a Common Carrier, the material transmitted by your customers
<would not be your problem. If you had to police it, you were NOT a
<Common Carrier.
In the radio biz during the early 70s FCC was as powerful as IRS and
equally inclined to take actions as they saw fit. THe only one that
Had official common carrier back then was TPC (The Telephone Company)
Loosing a license for a repeater could mean a lot of lost business.
The profit was from service contracts on the users as the repeater was
not a profit mechanism. This may have changed in the last 20 years.
So no law said so but I did use the word civil penelty. Also other
customers hearing the bad stuff on the repeater (despite PL tone)
often did complain.
Allison