- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by austinpass＠gmail.com

I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although I'm having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the ultimate representation of the type is, so was looking for a little input from Classic CMP'ers. I'm aware that there's a clear divide between Motorola and PowerPC CPU'd variants, so I'm going to plump for a PowerPC based version so that I can get access to newer hardware and use it as a kind of bridge system between my current computers and the more historic versions. In terms of hardware I have a lovely mirror-door G4 PowerMac I'm intending to use. I have the original media that shipped with this, so I can get 9.2.1 on it relatively easily. Are there any add-in cards (PCI) I should be considering? It has a built in Airport Card (possibly Airport Extreme?) although my home Wi-Fi is 802.11n or better with WPA2 so I'll just use Ethernet to connect it to my LAN. Was a gigabit ethernet card ever released with Mac OS 9 drivers? I have a couple of 600GB PATA disks that I can use with it, but has there ever been a SATA implementation that worked with classic Mac OS? Also, I have an Asant? ether bridge tucked away somewhere that I hope to be able to use to connect some of my older Mac OS boxen without Ethernet. In terms of the software - any top-line utilities or System Extensions I should look to get my hands on? What's the state of the art in classic Mac OS browsing nowadays, Mr Kaiser - is Clasilla still maintained? -Austin.

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by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Liam, thank you so much for this information! I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there! Good to hear that one system will use SATA drive > I will just have to find some old installable OS for it. The family of the deceased engineer that passed these on to us at the SMECC Museum project tossed most any paperwork or media , so we have what is installed on the system and of course for the diskless one we are empty handed. We we were out scrounging now I wish I had picked up more vintage MAC paperwork and discs now. We saved stuff related to the early MAC and of course ANYTHING we could find for the APPLE II. We do also have something that looks like an APPLE LISA but not the twiggi (sp?) drive model I have heard reference to. it turned on last time I tried but just a bunch of diddle crap all over the screen. (bogus contents of memory mapped video or!?? <this machine is a mystery to me I saw it when it came out but that is abut the only experience I have had with LISA remember I was a HP guy in the business days... I do remember going over to a store in Metrocenter in AZ and seeing one for the first time with a MOUSE on it! I was amazed... Again... thanks for the hints and help now and in the future. Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 7/18/2016 12:03:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, lproven at gmail.com writes: On 18 July 2016 at 20:18, <COURYHOUSE at aol.com> wrote: Ed, *please* will you get a proper email client? They work fine with AOL mail. I know, I am also liamproven at aol.com & have been for 20y! > > will not load curvet os because? > "This is caused by the lack of the 64 bit EFI bios. The hardware of the > Mac Pro 1.1 is already complete 64bit capable but they do ship the efi bios > only in 32bit version." > > Ed says..... OK whatever an EFI Bios is.... There are ways around it. http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2015/3/2/how-to-resurrect-a-2006-m ac-pro-11-so-it-can-run-osx-yosemit.html Ask the Hackintosh community: http://hq-a.weebly.com/ > --------------------- > ok we also have a - > > "The Power Macintosh G5 shipped from 2003 until 2006. All models pack > 64-bit PowerPC 970 (G5) processors in an easy-to-upgrade aluminum tower case > design with a single external optical drive bay" > > This one is missing disc drives... this has the neatest form fitting > insides of any of the macs I have seen. Takes any old SATA drive, as far as I recall. No special firmware needed. Will run up to OS X 10.5, nothing later. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) ? +420 702 829 053 (?R)

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Straight 8 up on Ebay just now

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

EEEKK!!! and it is not the one with the Plexiglas surrounds... kaaa ching..$$$ It does have a nice a/d unit Ed# In a message dated 7/19/2016 12:07:02 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jwsmail at jwsss.com writes: On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, Sam O'nella wrote: > There may be some archives here or vcf with enough prices. Iirc i thought i remember one selling for something pretty high (8000/12000?) X years ago although i think like this it's a calculated price of doubling the last sale they saw. Although apple 1s seem to accomplish whatever that law is called :-) I think Straight 8's are nearly to the point that other systems which have published tracking inventories. There are very few, this one looks complete, or near complete. That said I'd figure though some of the higher prices such as the current PDP8/I and GT40 are setting for want of bids, they aren't that far from what you have to pay to get said systems on demand. This one may go for around the opportunistic price, and be lower, but $10 to $12k isn't going to be surprising.

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Straight 8 up on Ebay just now

by barythrin＠gmail.com

There may be some archives here or vcf with enough prices. ?Iirc i thought i remember one selling for something pretty high (8000/12000?) X years ago although i think like this it's a calculated price of doubling the last sale they saw. Although apple 1s seem to accomplish whatever that law is called :-)

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DEC boards at recycler

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

I found various DEC (Qbus?) boards at my local tame recycler earlier. They're scheduled for preprocessing this evening (e.g. ceramic ICs pulled and diverted into different pile due to higher gold content), but I may be able to get them a stay of execution (as of now I've got about 2 hours in which to let him know before I'm awol for a family event). Anything below strike anyone as being worth saving (vs. common as dirt serial interfaces etc.)? I'm not sure at the moment if I can rescue the lot... M7957 M8189 M8192 M8061 x 2 M8044 x 2 M8190 M8043 x 2 M7961 M8067 x 2 M7856 In addition to those, a board branded Dilog CQ1610, another marked PXX-2 with four SC44077P ics in the center, and a memory board marked 980110014 containing 128 mmc3764 RAM ics. Also several Emulex boards which didn't contain anything that was obviously a part number (from memory a couple that were "full width" and three that were "half width") - I'm guessing they're probably tape controllers, but they might be hard disk. Working status unknown, but cosmetically they looked good. It sounds like the previous owner had complete machines which he split and scrapped at some point in the past, and this box of boards had sat around in his garage since. cheers Jules

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Straight 8 up on Ebay just now

by tmfdmike＠gmail.com

On Jul 18, 2016 2:30 PM, "Ian S. King" <isking at uw.edu> wrote: > > Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable. The electronics around > it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust. At least that's > been my experience. -- Ian There are known cases of IBM System/3 core that had failed beyond practical repair due to products of decayed air-sealing foam contacting and dissolving core plane wires. Mike

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Straight 8 up on Ebay just now

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Our core in any of our classic 8 has never worked it didn't 30 years ago either. ...... ?just the thought of how many failed components.... yikes! ..... ?something to procrastinate ?about.. ?but I hate to hack out ?buckets of components. ............... Ed# ?www.smecc.org Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Ian S. King" <isking at uw.edu> Date: 7/18/16 17:29 (GMT-07:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now Absent physical trauma, core seems pretty durable.? The electronics around it may fail but the core planes themselves seem robust.? At least that's been my experience.? -- Ian On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM,? <ethan at 757.org> wrote: > >> 25,000, Alexandria, Va. > >> Josh Dersch can have one for his home and for work. > > > > Is that a dream price for such a system or realistic? > > Curious myself.? They don't come up every day.? The description says: > "Last turned on the lights worked but the memory appeared not to > work."? I think from posts on similar systems, it could easily be > dirty marginal switch contacts or PSU issues, etc, vs damaged core. > > > I notice the corrosion on the front key. > > I'll happily sell him a clean key for a mere 1%... > > -ethan > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

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Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

by henk.gooijen＠hotmail.com

>> I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands.? Is there any way >> of telling for sure?? There are no markings on the stands. > >I can't be certain, but the height and the appearance suggest to me >that they are. > >> Here is a picture of the stand: >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzqkBl9PETyQek51bFlXTU53a1E The 5-leg stand seems correct to me, the vertical standing pipe (painted black) seems also OK to me. However, the tray is a different story. But I have to admit, that my reference is only the VT55-FB on a roll-around stand. If the stand for the VT55-FB is identical to the one for the VT52, then the tray is not the original one. It is not a tray, but just a plate and significantly smaller, but not flat. I can take pictures on Saturday of my VT55-FB with original stand. Let me know, because I'd have to remove the VT (6 bolts, IIRC). - Henk

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Found some stuff at the scrapyard

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/17/2016 9:45:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > The HPIL thinkjet version was also used with the hp portable and hp > portable plus laptops. > we have some of them in the SMECC here... but back when I was CEO > Computer Exchange inc we sold lost of these.. it was a small laptop > with applications in ROM but also had a HPIL 3 1/2 disc and an HPIL Yes. 80C86 (not 8088) based, there is a 16 bit data bus in there. The Portable (HP110) has built-in RAM that can't be expanded. One of the boards contains the processor and a lot of DIP-packaged 8K*8 SRAMs. The Portable Plus used surface-mount 8K*8 SRAMs and could take more on a plug-in 'RAM Drawer'. > Hey! > Remember to the hp 45 calc.. had HPIL interface also... I think you mean the HP41 (LCD alphanumeric calculator) or maybe the HP75 (handheld machine running BASIC, very similar to the HP85 in architecture). The HP45 was a simple-ish non-programmable scientific calculator with an LED display. And an undocumented stopwatch Yes that is the 41 ! I know better! sorry! sold oddles of 41s to surveyors etc... in the day... > There was also a gaggle of cards to the PC and the HP 150 TOUCHSCREEN > that would talk to HPIL and also on IBM side HPIL plus I seem to > remember HPIB cards too. The HP150 had HPIB as standard. There was an optional card that added HPIL and a Centronics port. That Centronics port was a mess. HP decided to use female DB25s for the serial ports. So to avoid confusion they used a male DB25 for the Centronics port. Only problem was the PCB was laid out for a female DB25 using IBM PC pinouts. With the result that the male version ended up effectively mirror-reversed, strobe on pin 13, etc. There were, indeed, HP ISA HPIB and HPIL cards. From memory the latter (at least) will not run in any reasonbly fast machine (8MHz CPU clock tops?) There was also an HPIL card for the Integral (portable unix machine) but I have never seen it. Was there a DIO HPIL card? [...] > I may be wrong but I remember a HPIL a HPIB a Parallel and maybe a > Serial interface version of the HP Thinkjet I have come across 6 versions : HPIB, HPIL, RS232, Centronics, Portable (battery powered Centronics) and IIRC an enhanced version of the RS232 one. > Now there was another interface not to be confused with the HPIL it was > called HP HIL HP HUMAN INTERFACE LOOP I remember? it was what the mouse > used on the hp 150 etc... Yes. They are often confused... But very different to the user and electrically. > I may still still have my orig HP Thinkjet service training course I think you can get the service manual for the Thinkjet (probably only covers the original 4 versions) from the Australian Museum. -tony = thanks for all this info! great brain refresh! Ed# _www.smecc.oprg_ (http://www.smecc.oprg)

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Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

apples support seems hosed... Load of URL http://support.apple.com/index.html failed with error code -310. but from this page.... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202888 there is a good guide. ------------------------------ this is my 1.1 Mac Pro --- MacPro1,1 --- MA356LL/A it works... it is a good representative artifact too . will not load curvet os because? "This is caused by the lack of the 64 bit EFI bios. The hardware of the Mac Pro 1.1 is already complete 64bit capable but they do ship the efi bios only in 32bit version." Ed says..... OK whatever an EFI Bios is.... (( remember this is my first real exposure to USING a MAC - yes we have a 9 inch screen one in the museum but have never even used that)) ------- Ha wish it was a Mac Pro (Early 2008) -- MacPro3,1 --- MA970LL/A then I could current OS upgrade it. --------------------- ok we also have a - "The Power Macintosh G5 shipped from 2003 until 2006. All models pack 64-bit PowerPC 970 (G5) processors in an easy-to-upgrade aluminum tower case design with a single external optical drive bay" This one is missing disc drives... this has the neatest form fitting insides of any of the macs I have seen. ---------------------------- then we have Blue iMAC still in box ------------------------------------ Then we have the old 9 inch one in museum collection. ( I do not see many of these around as I used to) --------------------------------- thanks for any help and tips Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 7/17/2016 7:23:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, spectre at floodgap.com writes: > that is interesting to know the old os can be run under the newer. > I am confused on some of the G5 stuff. > there is a real early one that has non intel processor > then there is a 1.1 ( i have one too) but you can not upgrade to the > latest os (bummer) > > then there is the G% 3 or 3.3 dated one that will run currect os too. > > is there a way to force the 1.1 one to run currest os somehow!? I'm not sure what you're referring to. If the 1.1 is clock speed, the slowest G5 is 1.6GHz. No Power Mac can run anything past 10.5.8; there is no PowerPC code left in the kernel to run. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir -------------------

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KT11-B ?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Al Kossow > nice system > www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371 Anyone want to guess how much it will go for? Noel

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NuTek Mac comes

by lproven＠gmail.com

Low End Mac looks into the history of the effort to produce a Motif-based, clean-room Mac compatible computer in the early nineties. http://lowendmac.com/2016/nutek-mac-clones/ -- Sent from my phone - please pardon brevity & typos.

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DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

by cctalk＠snarc.net

Did MS-DOS use code copied from CP/M? Forensic software engineer Bob Zeidman said "no" in 2012 but now he has new research to disclose at VCF West. That's all I can say for now. :)

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KT11-B ?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

nice system www.ebay.com/itm/201624309371 I've never heard of a KT11-B hopefully whoever gets it will scan the unique parts of the documentation

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Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

that is interesting to know the old os can be run under the newer. I am confused on some of the G5 stuff. there is a real early one that has non intel processor then there is a 1.1 ( i have one too) but you can not upgrade to the latest os (bummer) then there is the G% 3 or 3.3 dated one that will run currect os too. is there a way to force the 1.1 one to run currest os somehow!? Ed# In a message dated 7/17/2016 12:47:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cmhanson at eschatologist.net writes: On Jul 15, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Austin Pass <austinpass at gmail.com> wrote: > I have several G5's, but am at a loss as to what to do with them. If they supported classic Mac OS I'd have one up and running in a heartbeat. You can't boot MacOS 9 on them, but you can run Classic under 10.4 on a G5 and it screams. -- Chris

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Found some stuff at the scrapyard

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

What a flash back... (SMECC is always looking for anything related to these products) The HPIL thinkjet version was also used with the hp portable and hp portable plus laptops. we have some of them in the SMECC here... but back when I was CEO Computer Exchange inc we sold lost of these.. it was a small laptop with applications in ROM but also had a HPIL 3 1/2 disc and an HPIL Hey! Remember to the hp 45 calc.. had HPIL interface also... There was also a gaggle of cards to the PC and the HP 150 TOUCHSCREEN that would talk to HPIL and also on IBM side HPIL plus I seem to remember HPIB cards too. THANK YOU FOR THE INK WARNINGS! I did not know about the corrosive qualities of the ink and did not realize the glycerol content... I may be wrong but I remember a HPIL a HPIB a Parallel and maybe a Serial interface version of the HP Thinkjet Now there was another interface not to be confused with the HPIL it was called HP HIL HP HUMAN INTERFACE LOOP I remember? it was what the mouse used on the hp 150 etc... I may still still have my orig HP Thinkjet service training course ... we were also a service center for a bunch of the HP PC products and some manuals from classes I attended or my staff attended I saved and they are in the glassed in HP lock up area where the 2000 access and the hp micro and mini stuff lives. I have a bunch of odd VECTRA internals manuals too... Just wish I had saved more of this stuff... We also have an HP INTEGRAL (sp?) Unix all in one computer printer combo... cool concept it has THINKJET printer built in the top of it too. we never sold this product but SMECC was given a prototype many years later... REMEMBER TOO.... THINKJET printers always printed best on "special hp thinkjet paper" Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 7/17/2016 12:15:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, mhs.stein at gmail.com writes: >> for some incomprehensible reason, you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples! Another thanks for the tip; I've got an HP2225B (HP-IL, with RS-232 converter) which presumably uses the same cartridge. Will have to check it out. m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curious Marc" <curiousmarc3 at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:19 AM Subject: Re: Found some stuff at the scrapyard You got yourself the first consumer inkjet printer ever, from 1984: https://youtu.be/UiHNymmxKWs Original "A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular PCs of course. Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing name that has been with us since then. The key innovation of that printer was the disposable cartridge with the micro-machined nozzles, which they had a horrendous time manufacturing at first. And for some incomprehensible reason, you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples! Just put a new one in and you should be good to go. Marc Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:34 PM, devin davison <lyokoboy0 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals. > Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and > floppy, as well as a tiny printer. > > HP 362 "controller" > Hp thinkjet 2225A printer > Hp 9153B - HD and floppy > > Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im > assuming is a s100 backplane. > > Pretty interesting. I have a couple of other Hp devices, a logic analizer, > pattern generator, and volt meter, it will be interesting to see if i can > get them talking with the computer. Computer works. boots into basic. > Pretty complete setup for something at the scrapyard. > > https://www.slashflash.info/~devin/images/scrapyard_lot/ > > --Devin

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Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

opps sorry many typos... see clarification interlaced.. In a message dated 7/17/2016 8:04:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cmhanson at eschatologist.net writes: That would be a PowerMac G5. No Power Macintosh has an Intel processor yes that is first g5 has a more elegant interior design! I need a disk for this have no disc have no software but have nice system. then there is a 1.1 ( i have one too) but you can not upgrade to the > latest os (bummer) By "1.1" do you mean the Mac Pro? The Mac Pro has always had an Intel processor, and the model code for the first Mac Pro was MacPro1,1. 1.1" do you mean the Mac Pro yea this runs nice and has 2 drive and 7 gig mem > then there is the G% 3 or 3.3 dated one that will run current os too. This is confusing. Can you restate it or at least correct your typos before posting? There's no G3 that can run the latest macOS, since a G3 is a kind of PowerPC CPU. G5 version 3 vrs the earlier 1.1 i > is there a way to force the 1.1 one to run currest os somehow!? Not any supported way, which is the only way I'd be allowed to discuss.

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Epson QX games (with graphics) (was Epson QX-10, battery removal)

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

BTW, while we discussing the QX-10 I'd love to hear from anyone that has any games which show off its nice green-screen graphics. Terry (Tez)

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cctalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 18

by seefriek＠gmail.com

From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> > I don't think I've ever seen a wirewrapped S100 backplane, they were > pretty much all PCB. For what it's worth, I've seen many WW S-100 backplanes, especially >from the days when it was common to assemble your own systems from parts/kits, and before S-100 was a "standard". KJ

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Epson QX-10, battery removal

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Hi Jules I found removing my QX-10's battery stopped the machines working. I tried replacing it with a lithium battery after disabling the recharging circuit but that didn't work either. The old battery doesn't show any signs of leaking so I just left it in there. I check all my machines with batteries once a year for any battery leakage so I'm comfortable with leaving it there. Terry ( Tez) On 18/07/2016 6:38 am, "Jules Richardson" <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > There's a battery in my QX-10; anyone know if it's safe to remove it before it leaks (i.e. it's not responsible for storing any parameters which might be vital to system operation)? > > I think most of my machines which have batteries just use them for things such as TOD clock and so it's no big deal to remove them (and they'll run happily without), but I do also have various "unknowns" - of which the QX-10 is one. > > (I don't suppose anyone is working on a big list of machines with batteries in, which ones need consideration before removal, and which ones refuse to function without a battery present, are they?) > > cheers > > Jules

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VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

by jonas＠otter.se

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote: >> What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was >> incredible. > > To be fair, I think you have to think about what was around when VMS was developed, and what DEC was competing with. VMS is an enterprise-grade operating system, designed for serious production work. At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for teaching and research, not for heavy production work. In fact those early versions of Unix were completely useless for that kind of application - too limited, unstable, and no useful security features. No accounting at all, no useful batch functionality, nothing but the most basic kind of security and protection functionality etc. VMS was designed to compete with IBM mainframes and System/32-34-36 and the likes. In the early 80s I used both VMS version 4 and 5 and Unix version 7. The Unix system was used for program development, the VMS system for program development and running accounting software. The Unix system was fine for program development in a lab but far too unstable and insecure for running accounting systems in a corporate production environment.

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Found some stuff at the scrapyard

by james＠attfield.co.uk

> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:34:22 -0400 > From: devin davison <lyokoboy0 at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Found some stuff at the scrapyard > Message-ID: > <CAOpB=UN9zNQ0Aj-z- > 7+jLTP76KheCFdu31YWpowXvMsdqSVkAg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals. > Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and floppy, > as well as a tiny printer. > > HP 362 "controller" > Hp thinkjet 2225A printer > Hp 9153B - HD and floppy > > Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im > assuming is a s100 backplane. I don't know what it is, but S100 it isn't. A key feature of the S100 bus is 100 pins, not 122. James

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Epson QX-10, battery removal

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

There's a battery in my QX-10; anyone know if it's safe to remove it before it leaks (i.e. it's not responsible for storing any parameters which might be vital to system operation)? I think most of my machines which have batteries just use them for things such as TOD clock and so it's no big deal to remove them (and they'll run happily without), but I do also have various "unknowns" - of which the QX-10 is one. (I don't suppose anyone is working on a big list of machines with batteries in, which ones need consideration before removal, and which ones refuse to function without a battery present, are they?) cheers Jules

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eBay MVII BA123 $99 - Buy It Now - Richboro, Pennsylvania

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

Don't see too many complete looking BA123 boxes show up on eBay and this one seems relatively cheap if you happen to be able to pick it up locally in Richboro, Pennsylvania. Plus a few boxes of VMS documentation too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/232013130536 (No personal connection to, or information about, this seller) I would grab this one myself if it was within easy driving distance. Someone should grab it.

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Siemens PC-MX2 Set

by xeon4d＠gmail.com

Hello. I've recently acquired what came to be a Siemens PC-MX2 Set that is comprised of: * 4 Siemens Dossiers named: - Informix - BetriebeSystem SINIX Buch 1 - BetriebeSystem SINIX Buch 2 Menus - Siemens PC-MX2 Betriebsanleitung 12 Tapes: - 10 of them are of brand 3M, Model DC300XL/P and seem to be backups. - 2 of them are of brand Cadmus, Model 9000 and are named: "Munix Betriebsystem V.3/R.3-28 IS Format Anlagennummer FO/90-9754" and the other "Optionale Pakete PCS F0/89-74343 IS0055P 20-Jul-89 all files CPIO format 0. Med v.4.0 1. Munix_TCP/IP_(BSD) 7-Sep-88 2. Fortran77-32 V.4.0c" 1 Siemens branded Terminal with Serial Keyboard 1 Siemens Computer branded PC-9870 1 Siemens Dot Matrix Printer model is either PT88S-22 or -32 Is there any interest in this? I'm entertaining offers. Location is Portugal. Cumprimentos - Best Regards Marcos Alves.

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VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

by grif615＠mindspring.com

Whats this "BackInTheDay" stuff ? ;-) ?granted we upgraded to openvms at y2k, but the system ?is still in production. ? Ive been involved in this app since 93, and it was mature then. ?Just will not die :-( -------- Original message -------- From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Date: 07/16/2016 05:55 (GMT-08:00) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes) ??? > From: Jonas ??? > At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for ??? > teaching and research, not for heavy production work. Err, not quite. In the mid-70's, the PWB system at Bell: ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWB/UNIX was being used by a community of about 1K programmers doing development of software for various Bell commercial projects. Yes, not accounting systems, but not "teaching and research", either. And it was definitely production: see the uptime statistics, etc, in the BSTJ article that describes it. Noel

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VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Jonas > At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for > teaching and research, not for heavy production work. Err, not quite. In the mid-70's, the PWB system at Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWB/UNIX was being used by a community of about 1K programmers doing development of software for various Bell commercial projects. Yes, not accounting systems, but not "teaching and research", either. And it was definitely production: see the uptime statistics, etc, in the BSTJ article that describes it. Noel

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11/44 Console cable

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Kirk Davis > Does anyone know off hand if a 11/83 cab kit will work as a 11/44 > console? Both are 20 bin ribbon cable connectors Say what? The 20-pin connector on the M8190 (KDJ11-B) is configuration management, etc - the console connector is the 10-pin one (which uses the standard DEC later serial pinout, documented here: http://gunkies.org/wiki/DEC_asynchronous_serial_line_pinout if anyone needs it). The 11/44 console (and TU58) seem (from a quick glance at the prints) to use some odd pinout that is sui generis. Time to break out the soldering iron... Noel

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Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.

by couryhouse＠aol.com

I am following this closely ?as we were recently given?A g4 ... not the mirror frontA g4 .... mirror frontA g5 1st model drive missing nice internalsA g5 w Intel but not 3. So Cann not update to free latest ?os..is there a workaround ..internal design us not as cool as first g5 We have just what is on disc drive in them.. need to collect up a few things. Then we already had blue iMac already in boxPlus early little screen mac wife used This mac stuff is all new to me so learning curve... Ed# ?www.smecc.org Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> Date: 7/15/16 23:39 (GMT-07:00) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac. > I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although I'm > having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the ultimate > representation of the type is, so was looking for a little input from > Classic CMP'ers. My "heavy duty" OS 9 rig is an dual 1.25GHz MDD that I upgraded to a dual Sonnet 1.8GHz, with 1.5GB RAM and OS 9.2.2. Everything flies on it. I haven't had any obvious compatibility problems. Al makes a good point though: have a spare power supply. My MDD blew through two. You didn't ask, but my preferred heavy duty 68K is the Q800. You can overclock them easily with chipclips and they are the beefiest 68K Mac that will still run A/UX. A/UX at 40MHz is a delight. > In terms of hardware I have a lovely mirror-door G4 PowerMac I'm intending > to use.? I have the original media that shipped with this, so I can get > 9.2.1 on it relatively easily.? Are there any add-in cards (PCI) I should > be considering?? It has a built in Airport Card (possibly Airport Extreme?) > although my home Wi-Fi is 802.11n or better with WPA2 so I'll just use > Ethernet to connect it to my LAN.? Was a gigabit ethernet card ever > released with Mac OS 9 drivers?? I have a couple of 600GB PATA disks that I > can use with it, but has there ever been a SATA implementation that worked > with classic Mac OS? I've never seen a GigE card for OS 9. There is of course 100Mbit support. I would love to be proven wrong. The Sonnet SATA cards work well with OS 9 and are completely bootable. I used such a card in a 7300. > In terms of the software - any top-line utilities or System Extensions I > should look to get my hands on?? What's the state of the art in classic Mac > OS browsing nowadays, Mr Kaiser - is Clasilla still maintained? Sort of, as I have time. I'd like to do more with it but TenFourFox consumes much of my free hacking cycles currently. That should let up relatively soon since I've made the executive decision to fork TenFourFox at Firefox 45ESR (due to the looming spectre of Rust becoming a build-requirement, and known and expected issues with Electrolysis multi-process with the 10.4 SDK). Still, the biggest need for Classilla currently is moar crypto and that's rather hard to get right. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- ? Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Know what I hate most?? Rhetorical questions. -- Henry N. Camp -------------

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Anyone near San Marcos, CA with a Commodore drive cable?

by brain＠jbrain.com

Evidently, there is a kind soul with a project this weekend lacking a cable (it's my fault), and I had hoped one might be available near he could borrow. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand

by fritzm＠fritzm.org

I have a nice VT52, but it sits on the floor right now... I would dearly love to track down one of the old roll-around pedestals for it (as pictured here: http://cdn4.static.ovimg.com/m/04jldl). Didn't happen to see one in the warehouse by any chance, did you Todd? :-) cheers, --FritzM.

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DEC RRD40 CD-Rom Drive caddy

by brendan＠mcneill.co.nz

Greetings The DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive requires a DEC caddy to insert and remove CD?s from the drive. Does anyone have a spare caddy they could sell/post to me? Details of caddy in this document link below, however if you don?t know what it is you are probably unlikely to have one. http://www.carelife.com/manuals/RDD40_Optical_Drive_Owner_Manual.PDF <http://www.carelife.com/manuals/RDD40_Optical_Drive_Owner_Manual.PDF> Many thanks Brendan --------------//---------------- brendan at mcneill.co.nz +64 21 881 883

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ISO HP 2392 terminal and VT100 keytops

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Well, I accidentally ordered two VT100 tubes, so this weekend I tried to restore the one I have, only to discover the keyboard is missing 3 keytops ("</,", PF2, and PF4). If someone has one in their spares pile (missing other keytops..) in the US, I could use them. Also, I'd like to try to find an HP 2392 terminal with or w/o keyboard if someone has a spare.

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Seeking RL02 cable transition connector

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Asking for a friend... ;-) An old buddy of mine picked up a PDP-11/73 at auction and we just went over it tonight - cleaned out some spilled toner from some careless stacking in a warehouse, and looked over the RL02 on top and it all seems complete and good to go, except... the connector on the I/O bulkhead was broken off (the ears and screws remain) and the BC06R 40-pin cable is sticking out. The drive-to-drive cable is there and looks intact, but there's nothing at the CPU end to clamp it to. These get brought up from time to time as people refurb 1980s PDP-11s and such - The easiest place to get these from is dead RL02 drives, since there are two off them on the back of each drive. Does anyone have a loose one to sell? Also as mentioned from time to time, the part number seems to be obscure and buried, but it's a component in a C-AD-7012415-0-0 "transition bracket assembly", which appears to be this 40-pin ZIF connector attacked to a rack-mountable metal bracket. All he needs is the plastic bit, but if it comes attached to a bracket, then that's OK too. Yes, I know we can get him operational with a long 40-pin cable. I'd just like to replace the one missing bit. Thanks! -ethan

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How to execute arbitrary code on a Nintendo

by echristopherson＠gmail.com

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/how-to-beat-super-mario-bros-3-in-les… -- Eric Christopherson

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DEC items to either pick up, ship or drop off at VCF midwest

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Greg Stark > It doesn't seem reasonable to me for you to request buyers provide you > with a list of what they would be interested in It might seem more reasonable if you'd seen his basement... :-) Noel

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Looking for the numpad "/" key for an apple extended keyboard II

by ian.finder＠gmail.com

If you have one, please ping me. mine met a work accident today. -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.finder at gmail.com

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DEC boards at recycler

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Devin Davison > I have a spare unibus chasis and am have been looking for a cpu card > for a while. Umm, those CPUs are all QBUS CPUs, not UNIBUS. Was your "unibus" a typo for 'QBUS'? If not, all those CPU boards are, alas, of no use to you. > The memory boards M8067, real time clock M7856, and serial card M8043 > are of interest. Likewise most of these boards are QBUS, the M7856 being the only UNIBUS one. Noel

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Reproduction micros

by barythrin＠gmail.com

I haven't built or marketed anything myself but i believe if i understood ?correctly from several folks who have that vga was a cheaper choice due to licensing costs for dvi or hdmi at the time.? Not sure if vga is past that point or open but when keeping home brew kits cheap for us hobbyists every dollar counts. It would be interesting maybe as a Wikipedia page (thought there was one) to show which projects were out there and preferably which are still active. ?A shrinking but understandable issue when buying ?im batches with personal money in hopes that theyll sell eventually.

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DOS code in CP/M? Revisited...

by barythrin＠gmail.com

<snip hopefully> I thought it had said CP/M code in DOS? Revisited..." Sometimes I really think I'm dyslexic. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:45 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: DOS code in CP/M? Revisited... > > Did MS-DOS use code copied from CP/M? > Get ready for mind blown moment. ... ;-) you were right both times! {Insert dramatic ground hog clip}

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Reproduction micros

by barythrin＠gmail.com

-------- Original message -------- <attempted phone technology snip> The thing about the Amiga was its wow factor -- I remember walking into Compucentre (Canadian chain) in the mid-80s.. and there's all the computers from 8 bit heaven and their 16 color graphics (if you were lucky).. and then there's this one computer on a pedestal featuring a totally real jungle cat prowling onscreen. It just blew the doors off everything else there, and I would go wanting for one for 20 years afterward (now I have 5 :)). Not sure a replica can revive *that*. </snip> Thats an awesome story and experience that unfortunately i agree is hard to relay to people these days. To see how great lots of classics were during their heyday in comparison to what was out is what made so many historic memories. I think its unfortunately harder for younger generation sometimes to put away their cinematic quality vr and experience vintage gaming for what it was. Graphics drawn by programming, music while gaming, going for blocks and blips to fully animated sprites and tracked music playing all while fitting on a floppy disk. Or even the wealth and size of the virtual text world at a terminal or personal computer. Preaching to the choir here but when i did finally get around to showing selections of systems at our past vcf it was a blast and i enjoyed showing some of the comparison of commodore to some pc ascii games but also being fair and switching out to some of my favorite dos games too as well as pointing out the crispness of the pc display for text making it a probable better system out of the box for staring at text all day. I miss closer vcfs :-(

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IBM 360/30 in verilog (was: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs?)

by pbirkel＠gmail.com

-----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Sotomayor Jr Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do they make Verilog code for unknown ICs? What you can do (and I?ve seen it done) is define verilog modules that provide the functions of the IC and use that in their designs. I?ve seen at least two interesting classic computer recreations using this approach (re-implemenation of the CADR lisp machine in verilog and an IBM 360/30 in verilog). ROMs are easy (just instantiate a lookup table). PLCs are just combinatorial equations which are relatively easy with the verilog ?assign? statement. TTFN - Guy ====****==== Do you have a pointer to that "IBM 360/30 in Verilog", Guy? ----- paul

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DEC boards at recycler

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Jules Richardson > I just told the guy to hold off on execution and I'm going back in next > week with a view to just buying everything Good call. Most of those cards are worth something to someone. (E.g. I'd be interested in the CPU's, the RLV12s, the DLV11-Js, and the M8067s - which are MSV11-Ps. But I'll let others grab them all first, they'd only be extra spares, for me.) They usually sell for $30-$100+ (for the rarer ones, like the M8190 - that's the KDJ11-B, used in both the 11/83 and 11/84). If either the M8190 or the M8192 has the optional FPU chip, the FPJ11, that is worth big dineros. The only exception is the M8044 - those are pretty low-value (I use them only as test boards for working on broken systems), since they are Q18 _only_, and can't be mixed with Q22 boards. So maybe $10 each, for those. Noel

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VCF West has 30 exhibits

by cctalk＠snarc.net

There are 30 exhibits for Vintage Computer Festival West XI next month: http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west-xi/vcf-west-ex… Exhibit registration is full. Contact me privately if you'd like to join the waiting list.

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DEC items to either pick up, ship or drop off at VCF midwest

by useddec＠gmail.com

I have a big load of DEC items coming in within the next month or two, probably a 24 foot truck packed, and an even larger one one possible this fall. I already have a 25 foot storage unit costing me a small fortune, and will probably need another. I need to sell off as many boxes, boards and terminals, and printers. This includes numerous most Q bus boxes, all vaxes, and a few 8-E boxes without covers and maybe slides. I am trying to keep the weeks before and after VCF free of medical appointments. I should be able to drop off items there, ship most, including overseas. You are always welcome to stop by as long as its pre scheduled, and too many people at once could complicate things.I think the members who have stopped here in the past have had a good time picking and chatting. Please send me any requests off list. Thanks, Paul

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WANTED: PDP-8 KE8E Extended arithmetic element

by anders＠abc80.net

Hi, I've been looking for a KK8E for some time now. It's the set of two boards: M8340/M8341. If you have one to sell me please contact me off list. I'm also interested in hints that can lead me to one. I'll give them a good home. /Anders

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DEC Permission to Copy Out-Of-Print

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

I need to obtain a link to the DEC Permission to Copy Out-Of-Print manuals. Might it still be at an HP site? Specifically, while just the actual permission itself will be helpful, more important is to be able to show that it still comes from an official source. I saw the Permission Notice in the past a few times, but I never bothered to keep a copy. Did anyone at least keep a copy? I would imagine that bitsavers might have a copy, so that would at least be helpful. Jerome Fine

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bode.ee.ualberta.ca

by wrm＠dW.co.za

Hi all Does anyone have a mirror of bode.ee.ualberta.ca or know where I can find one? Sheesh the internet's supposed to be a repository but stuff is disappearing off of it like there's a black hole somewhere. W

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Youtube show and tell of that Bondi Blue iMac I posted a while back

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Well Done a nice tour! Terry! Ed# In a message dated 7/12/2016 10:02:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, terry at webweavers.co.nz writes: In case anyone is interested: https://youtu.be/JrBqqL6VS6M Terry (Tez)

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Youtube show and tell of that Bondi Blue iMac I posted a while back

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

In case anyone is interested: https://youtu.be/JrBqqL6VS6M Terry (Tez)

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