24 Jun
2016
24 Jun
'16
1:45 p.m.
I have a nice VT52, but it sits on the floor right now... I would
dearly love to track down one of the old roll-around pedestals for it
(as pictured here: http://cdn4.static.ovimg.com/m/04jldl).
Didn't happen to see one in the warehouse by any chance, did you Todd? :-)
cheers,
--FritzM.
24 Jun
24 Jun
2:01 p.m.
I'll take one if there's more than one.
Marc
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
I have a nice VT52, but it sits on the floor right
now... I would dearly
love to track down one of the old roll-around pedestals for it (as pictured
here: http://cdn4.static.ovimg.com/m/04jldl).
Didn't happen to see one in the warehouse by any chance, did you Todd? :-)
cheers,
--FritzM.
3 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Marc Howard <cramcram at gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take one if there's more than one.
Marc
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
> I have a nice VT52, but it sits on the floor right now... I would dearly
> love to track down one of the old roll-around pedestals for it (as pictured
> here: http://cdn4.static.ovimg.com/m/04jldl).
>
> Didn't happen to see one in the warehouse by any chance, did you Todd? :-)
I'd be up for one of those too! Right now, my best VT52 stand is a
Datasystems Desk - it's great, but it's hard to get through doorways.
-ethan
3:29 p.m.
On Jun 24, 2016, at 14:01 , Marc Howard <cramcram
at gmail.com> wrote:
I'll take one if there's more than one.
Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100 series, or shall I continue setting my
VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
3:59 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100 series,
or shall I continue setting my VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
I have one of these, or similar stands. I'm not certain but I think
it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
people are interested.
j
4:05 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have one of these, or similar stands. I'm not
certain but I think
it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
people are interested.
Sure... I'd love to know the dimensions of a "real one".
-ethan
4:06 p.m.
Yes, please, thanks! If we can't track down any real ones, maybe we
could bang out some plans something nice/convenient. (I know, I know,
its silly, its just a pedestal stand with five casters...)
--FritzM.
On 06/24/2016 03:59 PM, Jason T wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark J. Blair
<nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100
series, or shall I continue setting my VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
I have one of these, or similar stands. I'm not certain but I think
it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
people are interested.
j 
4:49 p.m.
Yes, please, thanks! If we can't track down any
real ones, maybe we
could bang out some plans something nice/convenient. (I know, I know,
its silly, its just a pedestal stand with five casters...)
--FritzM.
On 06/24/2016 03:59 PM, Jason T wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>> Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100 series, or shall I continue
setting my VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
> I have one of these, or similar stands. I'm not certain but I think
> it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
> currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
> measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
> people are interested.
>
> j
Here is the DEC sales description for the VT52 stand, if that helps anyone:
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/DEC_VT52_stand.jpg
Steve.
4:59 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:49 PM, <steven at malikoff.com> wrote:
Yes, please,
thanks! If we can't track down any real ones, maybe we
could bang out some plans something nice/convenient. (I know, I know,
its silly, its just a pedestal stand with five casters...)
--FritzM.
On 06/24/2016 03:59 PM, Jason T wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>> Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100 series, or shall I
continue
setting my VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
> I have one of these, or similar stands.
I'm not certain but I think
> it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
> currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
> measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
> people are interested.
>
> j
Here is the DEC sales description for the VT52 stand, if that helps anyone:
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/DEC_VT52_stand.jpg
Steve.
5:05 p.m.
I think they are different.
If I can dig mine up, I'll probably use them. I know where there might be
one or too, but they are currently burried. I'll call him next week to see
if he'll sell them.
If I go to VCF, I could bring a few VT52s or other items if requested.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:49 PM, <steven at malikoff.com> wrote:
Yes,
please, thanks! If we can't track down any real ones, maybe we
could bang out some plans something nice/convenient. (I know, I know,
its silly, its just a pedestal stand with five casters...)
--FritzM.
On 06/24/2016 03:59 PM, Jason T wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>> Was there a similar stand matched to the VT100 series, or shall I
continue
setting my VT131 on top of the PDP-8/M like a commoner? :)
> I have one of these, or similar stands.
I'm not certain but I think
> it may have been designed to fit both VT5x and VT10x terms. It's
> currently in storage and in need of restoration, otherwise I'd get
> measurements for everyone. I can do it on the next storage trip, if
> people are interested.
>
> j
Here is the DEC sales description for the VT52 stand, if that helps
anyone:
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/DEC_VT52_stand.jpg
Steve.
27 Jun
27 Jun
7:21 p.m.
It appears that I do have one of these stands (3 actually). What
measurements do you need?
--barrym
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
On 06/24/2016 05:05 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:
...I know where there might be one or too, but
they are currently
burried. I'll call him next week to see if he'll sell them...
That'd be great, thanks!
--FritzM.
10 p.m.
I think you could take one of these chairs:
https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Stanford-Drafting-Height-Seating/dp/B004CCRP3…
...throw away the seat, cobble together a VT5x mounting plate (you might
even be able to use the existing seat plate) and you'd have the same thing,
with the bonus of adjustable height.
Marc
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:21 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
It appears that I do have one of these stands (3
actually). What
measurements do you need?
--barrym
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
On 06/24/2016 05:05 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:
...I know where there might be one or too, but
they are currently
burried. I'll call him next week to see if he'll sell them...
That'd be great, thanks!
--FritzM.
10:06 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:21 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
It appears that I do have one of these stands (3
actually). What
measurements do you need?
We know from the sales brochure jpg that it's 26" tall (the VT52 is
thick, so it needs to be that short to put the keyboard at "typing
height", but could you measure, and/or photograph the part that the
VT52 sits on? The rest is, as has been pointed out, much like a
modern office chair, and as long as we can find something that puts
the plate at 26", it should be good (I've already done such
conversions for a rolling microscope stand).
Thanks!
-ethan
11 Jul
11 Jul
6:31 p.m.
I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am taking offers on the
other 2 :-)
I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way
of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands.
Here is a picture of the stand:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzqkBl9PETyQek51bFlXTU53a1E
The tray dimensions (all inside dimensions) are as follows:
width: 16-13/16"
length: 22-7/8"
height (floor to base of tray including casters): 25"
The lip of the stand is approx 7/16"
The metal is approx 1/16" thick.
--barrym
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
On 06/27/2016 10:06 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
...could you measure, and/or photograph the part
that the VT52 sits on?
Yes please, pictures appreciated, thanks!
--FritzM.
7 p.m.
Sorry. I forgot to mention that I live near Calgary Alberta Canada.
--barrym
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:31 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am
taking offers on
the other 2 :-)
I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X stands. Is there any way
of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands.
Here is a picture of the stand:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzqkBl9PETyQek51bFlXTU53a1E
The tray dimensions (all inside dimensions) are as follows:
width: 16-13/16"
length: 22-7/8"
height (floor to base of tray including casters): 25"
The lip of the stand is approx 7/16"
The metal is approx 1/16" thick.
--barrym
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
On 06/27/2016 10:06 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
...could you measure, and/or photograph the part
that the VT52 sits on?
Yes please, pictures appreciated, thanks!
--FritzM.
10:09 p.m.
I've been trying to find vendors who sell the parts to build stands
like that. Ideally I'd like the column height to be adjustable, but I
obviously can't come up with the right words for a search because I
can't find them even in fixed height.
I'd like to build one specifically for a DEC GT40 terminal, with a
keyboard tray.
Someone I know has a stand that is almost perfect for the GT40, but
there's no identifying information on it, so I can't easily search for
a matching stand.
11:25 p.m.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:31 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am
taking offers on the
other 2 :-)
I would love one, but I am afraid of the shipping costs to Ohio. I've
had small packages shipped from Toronto and it seems to run over
$10/lb.
I believe these stands to be authentic DEC VT5X
stands. Is there any way
of telling for sure? There are no markings on the stands.
I can't be certain, but the height and the appearance suggest to me
that they are.
Here is a picture of the stand:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzqkBl9PETyQek51bFlXTU53a1E
Superb!
The tray dimensions (all inside dimensions) are as
follows:
width: 16-13/16"
length: 22-7/8"
height (floor to base of tray including casters): 25"
The lip of the stand is approx 7/16"
The metal is approx 1/16" thick.
Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52 to see what's
there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm in the right place.
-ethan
12 Jul
12 Jul
12:08 a.m.
Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52
to see what's
there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm in the right place.
Pic of bottom of VT52 w/ ruler:
https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/v…
<https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/view?usp=sharing>
Thanks, Ethan and Barry!
?FritzM.
7:18 a.m.
On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm
at fritzm.org> wrote:
As I recall, the VT52 stand is smaller than you'd expect because the pan holds only
the main body of the display: the four feet (two at the back and two near the back edge of
that mesh panel) drop into the pan at its four corners. The keyboard section of the VT5x
simply extends forward from the stand pan.
On the other hand, a VT100 needs a large pan because the keyboard is a separate part, and
it too sits on the stand. So I suspect the stand shown by BM is a VT100 stand, not a VT52
stand.
paul
Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a
VT52 to see what's
there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm in the right place.
Pic of bottom of VT52 w/ ruler:
https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/v…
<https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/view?usp=sharing>
8:05 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
That makes sense. I was looking at the pan size and it was several
inches longer than the footprint of the 4 feet on the bottom of the
terminal (13 3/4" for the VT52 and 22 7/8" for the pan) , and then
there was Paul Birkel's comment that the footprint of his VT52 was
wider than that pan.
Checking the external dimensions of a VT100, the terminal is 18" wide
by ~14" deep, and the keyboard is 18" wide and 8" deep. Adjusting for
a small setback for the feet, a 17"x22" pan seems like it would have
no problems accepting a VT100 and keyboard with not much margin.
On Jul 12,
2016, at 3:08 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
As I recall, the VT52 stand is smaller than you'd expect because the pan holds only
the main body of the display: the four feet (two at the back and two near the back edge of
that mesh panel) drop into the pan at its four corners. The keyboard section of the VT5x
simply extends forward from the stand pan. Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a
VT52 to see what's
there at those dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone
have a photo handy of the bottom of a VT52? With a scale ruler? I
can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm in the right place.
Pic of bottom of VT52 w/ ruler:
https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/v…
<https://drive.google.com/a/fritzm.org/file/d/0Bx_zOIQ4Z79ZbVBHa1dYSTlmQzA/view?usp=sharing>
On the other hand, a VT100 needs a large pan because
the keyboard is a separate part, and it too sits on the stand. So I suspect the stand
shown by BM is a VT100 stand, not a VT52 stand.
I have seen neither so I can't provide any historical experience to
tell them apart, but the dimensions seem to bear that out.
A nice stand, and if I found one close, I'd use it, but not
specifically a VT52 stand.
-ethan
15 Jul
15 Jul
7:32 p.m.
New subject: 11/44 Console cable
Does anyone know off hand if a 11/83 cab kit will work as a 11/44 console? Both are 20 bin
ribbon cable connectors - minus the baud rate select stuff of course. I have the 44 print
set kit from bitsavers but being lazy prefer not making a cable if I can avoid it.
12 Jul
12 Jul
12:22 a.m.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 2:25 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Wanted: VT5x roll-around stand
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:31 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
I have 3 stands, but I only need 1 for my VT-50. I am
taking offers
on the other 2 :-)
...
The tray dimensions (all inside dimensions) are as
follows:
width: 16-13/16"
length: 22-7/8"
height (floor to base of tray including casters): 25"
The lip of the stand is approx 7/16"
The metal is approx 1/16" thick.
Thanks for the info! I can check the bottom of a VT52 to see what's there at those
dimensions - feet or any corner/edge features. Anyone have a photo handy of the bottom of
a VT52? With a scale ruler? I can take one but it'll be a week or two until I'm
in the right place.
-ethan
-----
My VT52 would require a pan 17 3/4" wide to properly fit its feet ... maybe yours is
a "slimline" :->.
paul
-----
28 Jun
28 Jun
5:38 a.m.
On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:06 AM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:21 PM, B M <iamvirtual at gmail.com> wrote:
The things to look for are (a) the dimensions of the rectangular top, (b) the height of
the lip (since I think the VT52 base drops into that lip and is held by it) and (c) the
position of the support column under the top (position of the center of gravity).
paul
It appears that I do have one of these stands (3
actually). What
measurements do you need?
We know from the sales brochure jpg that it's 26" tall (the VT52 is
thick, so it needs to be that short to put the keyboard at "typing
height", but could you measure, and/or photograph the part that the
VT52 sits on?
8:27 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
Yep. All excellent things to know. Also, it would be nice to get an
idea of the thickness of the metal. I've never seen one of these so I
have no idea how to fabricate them (at the detail level). Once we get
some dimensions, I have access to a pretty good shop at our
Makerspace, the Columbus Idea Foundry. I also have multiple VT52s I'd
love to put on wheels! One source I have for chair bases is Ohio
State University surplus. They are constantly selling retired
furniture for cheap. There's also an Office Furniture place down the
block from the Idea Foundry that's about to close to be demolished for
new development. I'll bet chairs are cheap there!
Thanks, Barry!
-ethan
On Jun 28,
2016, at 1:06 AM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
We know from the sales brochure jpg that it's 26" tall...
The things to look for are (a) the dimensions of the rectangular top, (b) the height of
the lip (since I think the VT52 base drops into that lip and is held by it) and (c) the
position of the support column under the top (position of the center of gravity).
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