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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Mike wrote: > > > Thanks for the sympathy, but dont let your posessions > become your master. > > A good point. > > Sellam International Man of > Intrigue and Danger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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Brochure re: CSG liquidation

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hi: I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions and liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures. Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> <================ reply separator =================>

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Altair emulator project - update

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I've made some significant progress on adding a virtual paper tape punch/reader to Claus Guiloi's Altair Emulator. There are several other things that I need to work on, such as the "punching" part of the punch, console I/O (a virtual terminal), and port I/O. Any other feature suggestions are welcome. I've made contact with Claus and he has agreed, time permitting, to review my code. I've spent much of the time learning Windows/C programming, so it's not pretty, but it works. There is also another individual at MS who worked on several other additions to the emulator, but I haven't spoken with him yet. He's made some other enhancements, particularly to the core emulation code. What I'd like to do is to test the file loading/saving code with some live code so that I can see it actually work. So, I'd like to ask the audience for some sample Altair programs based on the following specs: - the image files need to be in both Intel HEX and/or straight binary format. - program samples should include both front-panel and VDT oriented programs. - I'd like to get a range of application and system programs, including BASIC and a monitor program. - I'd like to get a range of file sizes and load locations, too. That's all for now. If anyone has any suggestions, let me know. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> <================ reply separator =================>

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: The Basement <swolfe1(a)mail.gcnet.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: Re: CP/M for HP 87? >The 86's and 89's and 92's ( I think the 92 may also have a Z80, though) are Are you saying the TI86 is or is not z80? Some of the web sites I've looked at since posting seem to make a strong point that it is. Allison

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CP/M for HP 87?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > Incidentally, the CPU in the Thinkjet printer also seems to be a Saturn. > It's a 48 pin package containing the CPU, I/O ports, some of the ROM > (there's an external ROM and RAM hooked up to it), and an HPIL interface. Even in the non-HP-IL Thinkjets? I really don't know, I've never taken screwdrivers to Thinkjets to compare their internal architectures. -Frank McConnell

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CP/M for HP 87?

by swolfe1＠mail.gcnet.net

The 86's and 89's and 92's ( I think the 92 may also have a Z80, though) are powerd by a cmos version of the Motorolla 68000, the same processor as the 68k Macs. The 82, 83 and 85 are powered by Z80's. HP48g's use a processor called the Saturn that was made for the calc, which I think is far superior to the TI Calcs. The HP48gx has a card slot to upgrade the ram, add functions, printers, etc. It also has an IR port.

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(fwd) Xerox 1186 Give away... (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Found the following on usenet. If interested, reply directly, not to me. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: thoth.cts.com!mercury.cts.com!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.uar.net!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Sender: sdb(a)redhotmomma.ssr.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox Subject: Xerox 1186 Give away... From: Scott Ballantyne <sdb(a)ssr.com> Message-ID: <x4em398d3n.fsf(a)redhotmomma.ssr.com> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:20:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.4.235.2 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role <abuse(a)intercom.com>, We Care <abuse(a)newsread.com> X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 967486828 199.4.235.2 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:20:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:20:28 EDT Organization: Intercom Online (intercom.com) Xref: thoth.cts.com comp.sys.xerox:1687 I have an old 1186, one of the early lisp machines from Xerox, which I have had in a warehouse for too long, awaiting my move to a larger apartment. Well, I live in NYC, and larger apartments still cost more than I'm willing to spend. So the long and the short of it is, if you want this machine, you may have it. The monitor is a greyscale, of the huge, Startrek variety, I have forgotten which release of the OS I have, possibly Koto, quite a few of the original manuals, loads of fonts, contrib disks, etc. It worked well when I warehoused it, and I assume it would still work, modulo reseating some of the chips, and reloading the OS, natch. So if you are in the NYC area, and want it, drop me a note. Best, sdb -- end of forwarded message --

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New Email address

by jpl15＠panix.com

Hello Collecting friends. I am currently on 'inactive' status as far as classic computer collecting goes, so my participation on the List has been mostly in R/O mode. My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix Shell accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore signed up with another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. Should any of you on the list be considering changing your ISP for any reason, especially if you are primarily a telnet user.. I can highly recomend them. Their customer service has been a) excellent and b) proactive; a state of affairs unheard-of in my years on the Net. Since I am now living and working in Southern India, I have bestowed my collection en masse to a couple of Listmembers and will not be actively pursuing the hobby for a year or two. Getting a full-blown 11/44 system thru checked baggage is one thing, but dealing with Indian customs..... ;) I would like to take this small opportunity to publicly thank each and everyone of you one the List who help to preserve these old beasts, and also I would like to thank Allison, Megan, Tim, Sellam, Bruce, Marvin, Tony Duell, Eric, Don Maslin, Hans Franke, Eliot Moore, and all the rest who took time and effort to help me unravel DEC as it was meant to be. I have unsubbed the netcom account and subscribed at the panix addrr, and I'll continue to monitor the list, although it is doubtful I'll be posting much. I have found one cache of more-than-ten-year-old stuff, mostly Commie and Atari. I'll post more when I have a chance to check it out. Don't get too excited. Buyer pays shipping... Cheers John

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

>Yeah, I'm really digging my 680x stuff. D'oh, that should be equally read: ...still digging into... ;) - Mike

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> >Like your still pmpressive pile of SWTPC ? > >:)) > Yeah, I'm really digging my 680x stuff. ;) - Mike

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New Email address

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> John said: > > > My old (+7 years!) ISP has seen fit to discontinue all it's Unix > > Shell accounts effective Sept 30 of this year. I have therefore > > signed up with another old-line ISP, panix.com in New York. > > Excellent choice! While I hope that Panix isn't the last Unix shell > ISP around, I'm very happy with it and I hope that people wanting more > options from their ISP continue to find Panix.com. > > John A. > allain(a)panix.com since 1994 They are dwindling, but not gone; IGLOU.COM (Internet Gateway of LOUisville) has grown from a local to a regional provider, and without shell access I don't know what I'd do... -doug q dougq(a)iglou.com since 1994 (or sooner)

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asgnpart.com

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Hello, would anyone know where I could find the MS-DOS progam asgnpart.com, which was part of some of the versions 3.x and 4.x, but not of all these versions. None of the versions in my possession have it, unfortunately, and some application I want to run has to have it. Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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large collection of vintage machines on ebay

by dogas＠leading.net

> >Say, this is Mike Dogas' collection. It's a shame he has to let >everything go like this. It *is* an impressive collection. > Yep, and like everyone else here probably: I worked hard to find them all. And then I worked hard to get some free time to play with it all, and I did, and have been so there isn't much actually lost beyond the kinesthetics and glow. But I still have (many) more computers that will get maybe now more of my attention and I sure can use the money. Thanks for the sympathy, but dont let your posessions become your master. Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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An alternative to UPS

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I'll definitely be looking at alternatives in the future. The other shoe in this is that it appears the shipper didn't bother to insure the package, despite my instructions to the contrary. Of course, those instructions were over the phone, not via e-mail, so I'm getting the "you didn't tell me you wanted me to insure it". Gee, now why wouldn't I want it insured? :-( -- Tony > ---------- > From: Bruce Lane[SMTP:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:02 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: An alternative to UPS > > At 08:25 27-07-2000 -0500, Joe Rigdon wrote: > > >>If it's used (like an old computer) it's "personal > >>effects" and as such any damage or loss claims will be denied. > > > > That's the most rediculous thing that I've ever heard! I hope they > find > >your computer lab. If not, then don't give up. Demand to talk to their > > <snip> > > Absolutely don't give up! UPS is easily the most snooty company I've > ever > dealt with on insurance claims. A colleague of mine back east had to > hassle > them for months before they finally paid up on a claim. > > Also, you may want to look at an alternative. I don't know if they > do > ground to Canada yet, but I've had outstanding service from FedEx Ground > (formerly RPS). Nothing I've shipped so far has been lost, or damaged in > the slightest degree, and their customer service is excellent. > > Perhaps the capper is that I've found they're actually less > expensive than > UPS. I've had a shipper account with them for months now. If I drop all my > outgoing at their depot, they don't even charge me a monthly fee. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies > http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 > "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our > own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." >

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I'm looking for CP/M software for an HP 87 with an HP 82900A CP/M cartridge! Any pointers/help appreciatd! thanks, Stan Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > What I/O port? The games port? There was rumoured to be a bit-banging > routine to output serial data on one of the outputs there. But I never > heard of it being in a PROM. I don't know where my friend got it, but we rigged up a bit-banging-serial- port between the joystick port of an Apple II and the User Port of a C-64 to transfer the data portion of an Infocom game from an Apple disk to a C-64 disk (it all worked once we figured out the sector mapping). > The bit-banging serial port is a pretty simple device. Single-bit in and > out buffered to RS232 and current loop levels. And a program to shift > data in and out in software. We didn't even have level shifters - TTL on both sides, but RS-232 _is_ the more typical use. > Believe me, after you've tried to use this card seriously you (a) wish > for a real serial card with a 6850 or 6551 on it and (b) want to do > unprintable things to the designers... The C-64 comes with 1200-baud bit-banging in ROM. That's why we did it that way. UARTS are much nicer (having later aquired a Super Serial Card), but not all micros had them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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CP/M for HP 87?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

on the subject of TI calcs... OT too! I see TI86s and 83s are around. Are any of these Z80 powered? Allison

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Intel PT reader

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: >> I recently picked up a nice Intel paper tape reader (model Intellec >> 8-90?) to go with my Intellec MDS system. The only problem is that the >> light pipe in it is broken. However both parts are still there. Does >> anyone have any suggestions about how to fix the pipe or where I can get >> another one? I'd check the plastic to see if it's suitable for solvent weld. Epoxies tend to build an optical discontinuitys as they are very different form the actual plastic. Allison

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Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs?

by dogas＠leading.net

I have an Intel PPDS-100. Sounds the same. No docs or software but it will boot from bubble memory to Isis ver 1.0. There is also a pod slot on the side and holder accessable from the top. I have the EMV-51A poddy thing. I'd like some software for it too Cheers - Mike -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:59 AM Subject: Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs? > >Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a >portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three >8085's inside). > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! >

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Intel PT reader

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I recently picked up a nice Intel paper tape reader (model Intellec 8-90?) to go with my Intellec MDS system. The only problem is that the light pipe in it is broken. However both parts are still there. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to fix the pipe or where I can get another one? Joe

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looking for teletype KSR-43 ribbons

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

No, but if you describe them and tell us what else that they fit then we might be able to find some. Joe At 07:27 PM 8/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a stash of these? > >-- >Aaron Nabil > >

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Mac Portable SadMac

by celt＠chisp.net

I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction with this one... I recently picked up this beast at a local yard sale. The owner said it had been sitting in his attic for the past seven or eight years; when I powered it on, all I could get was the blinking question mark in a disk graphic, indicating that the machine couldn't find an operating system (I believe). After a few hours of net-research, I learned that the internal battery needed to be charged up before the hard drive (Conner 40M drive) would spin up. So, after charging for several hours, I tried again, only to be greeted almost immediately with the 'Sad Mac' icon and the following code below it: 0010 1B10 0000 1FFA A visit to Apple's Tech Info Library turned up an article on the codes (number 7748 for those interested), but was clearly meant as a general overview rather than to address specific failures. Once the internal battery charged, I could hear the whine of the Connor spinning up, but that's as far as it gets. /mpm

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Current VCF 4.0 Speaker Line-up

by vcf＠siconic.com

The speakers currently lined up for VCF 4.0 are: Bill Godbout (S-100 Legend) Jim Warren (Found of the West Coast Computer Faire) Larry Tesler (Xerox PARC and Apple Computer Demigod) Paul Freiberger & Michael Swaine (authors of _Fire in the Valley_) Christine Finn (Computer Archaeologist) Curt Vendel (Atari Historical Society Founder) Jim Willing (Official VCF Celebrity!) Dwight Elvey (Reviver of the Nicolet-1080) Additional speakers will be announced in the coming weeks before the event! Brief bios of each speaker can be found at: http://www.vintage.org/2000/speakers.html Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VCF Message Board!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Who was it that started the "Want list for VCF" thread? I forget. At any rate, thanks for sparking the idea to finally create a VCF message board. The VCF Message Board is now up at: http://www.vintage.org/2000/messages.html Post your buy/sell/trade or want lists for VCF 4.0 there. You can also use it to make shared travel arrangements, see who else is coming and what they're bringing, etc. Use it and abuse it. It's not very rich, but it's functional. If you find any bugs, or have any suggestions for improving it, please e-mail me. I will continue to develop the message board over time to make it easier to navigate messages, as well as provide multiple discussion areas. Before you suggest using <insert some webtool for doing messaging here> please know that I prefer to host all my services myself, as well as program them, mostly for the experience of programming this stuff (it's done with very straight-forward Perl scripts on the back end). Enjoy! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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driver-request (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Can anyone help this guy? Reply-to: blingvall(a)swipnet.se ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:16:00 +0200 From: "[iso-8859-1] Björn Lingvall" <blingvall(a)swipnet.se> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: driver-request Hi! I´ve have an old Fujitsu matrix-printer model M3349B, but I can´t find any driver. My question is, do you know anyone who`ve got drivers for that printer? I would be very happy. blingvall(a)swipnet.se Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > The P500 has a real serial port (6551, RS232 level shifters, DB25 > connector), but few other CBM machines do :-( I've got a PET internal serial port... it sits in a ROM socket with some clip leads to pick up missing signals (Phi/2 and R/W, I expect) Got it in a box and have never had the opportunity to use it (no, it's not for sale/trade) -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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springfield hamfest goodies . . . and more

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Finally found a good Commodore 128 for yours truly there. Is there in our > midst a person who might have the cp/m boot disk for one? Or point me in > the right direction? I have an original C-128 CP/M boot disk in a box somewhere. How would I go about making an image with it? I've never had a working C-128, nor have I ever run CP/M from a Commodore (Kaypros, mostly), so I don't know what the low-level format of the disk is. If it's a standard format, something like 22DISK should be able to digest it, yes? Is there already a copy of this on funet? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Any info on a Pro-Log Corp. M822 8080 Analyzer?

by r.stek＠snet.net

I picked up one of these in apparently decent condition - needs a few new switches whose handles got broken off. At the end of a cable is a spring loaded clip which attaches to an in-circuit 8080 (as in my beloved Sol <g>). It appears that you can read the status, data, etc. and even single-step through programs. But without a manual I am not sure. Jim Willing has one on his website, but email to him has gone unanswered for the past few days. Anyone out there have a manual (or really good recall)? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

bit banging was most common to the 6502 world, most of the other systems used real UART/USARTs. I think it was the idea of software was cheaper than hardware. Most of the bit bashers seems to live on the low end of the performance spectrum for their time. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Original Apple II (not + or e or other) >> > Believe me, after you've tried to use this card seriously you (a) wish >> > for a real serial card with a 6850 or 6551 on it and (b) want to do >> > unprintable things to the designers... >> >> The C-64 comes with 1200-baud bit-banging in ROM. That's why we did it >> that way. UARTS are much nicer (having later aquired a Super Serial Card), >> but not all micros had them. > >I always found that one of the dumbest ideas Commodore came up with >(emulating the 6551 in software). It's not like it couldn't have been >built into the computer; the Plus/4 has a real live 6551 driving its >user port and it does fabulously well. > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >-- Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -- G. Marx -

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TRS-80 Model 2000

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Picked this up for $10. No monitor or keyboard. 2 Floppies. No cracks or > scratches but "yellowed" case. Very little info on net about this one. > Seems that was one of the rare computers to use an actual 80186 chip. At the time this came out, Microsoft was flying ads in magazines showing a Windows alpha (i.e. pre-1.0) on Tandy 2000s, and I was in the market for a system to replace the Sol, and the CP/M-based systems looked like their days were numbered. <short digression> But one day, I was on my way to buy tickets at the local Ticketron for some concert, and the Ticketron was was in a local department store (Lazarus? No, L.S. Ayres, I think), and that store also had a computer department. While walking by, I saw a Macintosh. The shirts who were selling them were talking to each other and ignoring me, so I spent some time drawing in MacPaint, ending up painting a picture that as best as I could reproduce from memory was "There's a hole in the bottom of the sea, there's a hole in the bottom of the sea". Anyway, it came down to decision time, and I decided that the Tandy 2000 was too geeky, and too much like the CP/M systems at work. I was sure I would bring work home with me, while if I bought the Mac, I'd have a computer to use for the things *normal* people use them for. Anyway, I too, just acquired a Tandy 2000, from a co-worker who used it in his architectural firm years ago. It didn't look like it had yellowed, he must have kept it out of the sun. It has a 10MB hard drive in a thematically-same-styled case, connected by a ribbon cable. Since he didn't deliver it to me with the original software (DOS & BASIC), I was happy to pick these up cheap on E-Bay the other day. haven't fired it up yet, and in factm it may go into storage for a while before I do so. But I recall liking the specs, the graphics resolution was higher than most PC-alikes at the time (IIRC). regards, -doug quebbeman

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LAST CALL! PDP 11/23 & Drives

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

To repeat my previous message: I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right person. --- Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone wants these items. Act now - time is running out! Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Possible major rescue in the works...

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Whoops! Premature ejection there... It's not a PDP-10 or a PDP-6 or anything that cool, but some of you may remember my mentioning a while back of some DEC equipment at a local Lucent facility. I just got the word that they turned it off last week. I'm in contact with a responsible party and he is talking with his boss about if and how it's possible to keep them from exiting wheels up, bound for a metals reclamation facility in Canton, OH. We are talking about 6+ DEC racks, two or three PDP-11/44s, two or three TC-11 controllers and between three and five TU-56 drives. Unless the media police get there first, there are also several cabinet drawers full of tapes. Fortunately, my boss at work (who is younger than much of my collection) thinks this stuff is cool and is willing to help muscle it around. He'd love to get a machine up against our glass wall at the data center, just to watch the DECtape spin! More news as the saga unfolds. Honestly, though, I'm not confident there's a way to navigate the bureaucracy at this place. I worked there for three years and unless people are personally vested in something, they point to published procedures and sit on their hands. It's a 35-year-old factory environment with lots of the original folks still there. Flexible thinking is not rewarded. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Possible major rescue in the works...

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote: > Hello Bill > > On 23-Aug-00, you wrote: > > > To repeat my previous message: > > > > I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works > > at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in > > chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), > > and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is > > basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They > > would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're > > interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right > > person. > > > > --- > > > > Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These > > are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. > > I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone > > wants these items. Act now - time is running out! > > > > > > Bill Richman > > I know exactly what you are talking about -- 'cuz I used to work there. > > Vermillion, South Dakota, about 35 miles from Sioux City, IA. > > Regards > -- > Gary Hildebrand > Box 6184 > St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 > > 816-662-2612 > or > > ghldbrd(a)ccp.com > ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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LAST CALL! PDP 11/23 & Drives

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

> To repeat my previous message: > > ...two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of > peripheral cards...and two RL02 drives... > Located in South Dakota, 2 or 3 hours drive from me, I believe. These > are probably going to hit the dumpster unless someone rescues them. > I'm not into PDP stuff, but will do what I can to help if someone > wants these items. Act now - time is running out! I _do_ collect PDP stuff, but I'm in Ohio and not likely to be able to pick up any sort of equipment that far away. I wouldn't mind saving it, but for stuff I already have multiples of, I can't justify a multi-state rescue. I hope _someone_ in your area wants them. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Brain Surgeon

by terryf＠intersurf.com

You guys will get a kick outta this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=416103748 The counters really accent the post. 8-) Terry

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DEC AUI Questionr

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Yes I use them all the time. Dan > >Um... I have a vaxstation 3100 in need of a 10baseT transciever. I CAN just >use an ordinary aui-10bT transciever, right? > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

Betraying my ignorance, but what's an ARC? -- Tony > ---------- > From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:46 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: A reason to hit ARC, etc. > > At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): > VAXstation 2000 (6) > the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) > An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a > year ago! 6) > > Will J > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open > >On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > >> Actually it does sell quite a bit of items, but they keep select stuff >> as part of their vintage-items museum. > >Yeah, and that select stuff could probably be selling for a goodly sum of >money that will go towards their primary mission of helping people get >back on their feet. > >Someone should write to Goodwill corporate and let them know this is going >on. I'm sure it's not in their charter and I would guess they would not >approve of valuable stock being retained for the enjoyment of a couple >employees. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger Disclaimer: I live in Texas, was born in Austin, and probably have some local-boy bias floating around here somewhere. I agree with you in some ways. I certainly agree in that I'm very jealous of those guys (GWCW museum). They have positioned themselves squarely astride of the biggest, fastest-flowing stream of castaway (free) antique computers in the state. Add to this the fact that they have the cachet of a charitable organization to motivate donors (whereas I'm just a grubby individual collector) and I turn green with envy. Now let's consider what it is they are actually doing. Like it or not, they are already astride that stream of computers, because they are successful at their mission. Thank goodness they have the sense and foresight and resources to preserve the classics mixed into that stream (particularly the very interesting ones, like the Lisas and Crays) rather than scrapping them as so many other computer dealers, etc. do. Furthermore, they are doing with their preserved machines exactly what I'd do if I had the resources. They are building a very comprehensive collection, and putting it on display for everyone to enjoy. Admittedly the choice of "do not touch" signs is a bit off-putting, but honestly if my collection were on shelves with hundreds of people walking by every hour, I'd have it behind glass. I love the idea of teaching somebody to use my Rainbow, but *only* if I can spend the time to teach them to turn on *both* of the kludged power switches (two SPST replacing a single DPST) at the *same time*, always put the lower floppy into the RX-50 *upside down*, etc. A working, hands-on museum is of course the ideal but in a situation where the guest-to-curator ratio is above about 5, it entails a very high risk of damage to the collection. I'd also like to point out, from a more selfish point of view, that there are no more than one of any specific machine type (that I know about, anyway) in their collection. That means all the duplicates they get do hit their classic-computer shelves and are available to us (me). Again, that's at least as reasonable as I'd be myself and much better than most organizations do. (Actually I'd be inclined to keep spares myself, but then I don't have as good a supply channel as they do.) The one complaint that you have with which I really can't argue is that it's not obviously part of their company charter. However, I'd make the reply that so it isn't, but that just means their charter is inadequate. What they are doing benefits society, in that it is developing and making available a great display of the history of computing. (This is the right group to claim that's a worthy goal, right?) They also make that collection visible to anyone, even folks of very limited means, and that's something that no other organization in the state (region?) is doing. Comparing these benefits to the relatively miniscule finacial benefit they'd get by, how do we say, "whoring the collection on eBay", I find it very attractive to hope they will persist and increase their collection. I therefore hope that no-one complains to Goodwill Corporate about it. I also should point out that it *is* effective advertising, and benefits their chartered mission as such. I've not had a chance to visit their store myself - but I will next time I'm in Austin. - Mark

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Wed, 23 Aug 2000 1:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)look.ca> writes: << > >The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1! > >It sounds like a PCJr. > > PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2 > and later PS/1s. > > >Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? > > No external, it was internal. > > >Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"? > > No, internal PS. > > >Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard? > > Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector) > > >Did the PS/1 have joysticks? > > No, it was aimed at business users. > > Allison > > > >The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought > that > >it was IBM backing down from MCA. The PS/1 was definitely aimed at the consumer market. :My :2133-e11 has both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 internal FDDs, a com :port, and a :riser with provisions for 3 add-in cards, one of which :was an :internal modem to use the Prodigy hookup in the shell :interface. :Some of the earlier ones had a modem on the motherboard :like the Kaypro did. Of course one could use joysticks :with :a Sound-Blaster card. It also came with a HD and 2x :72-pin :SIMM slots : The PS/2s continued long after the PS/1 was phased out :for :the Value-Point and later the Ambra which were also :aimed :at the lower priced consumer market. both the PS/1 and PS/2 series ended around 1994. the valuepoint was a more standard ISA bus machine announced in 1992-1993 and was designed for the corporate market like the PS/2. The valuepoints then gave way to the PC300 and PC700 series desktops of a few years ago.

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TRS-80 Model 2000

by claudew＠funcow.com

Hi 1st time post. Picked this up for $10. No monitor or keyboard. 2 Floppies. No cracks or scratches but "yellowed" case. Very little info on net about this one. Seems that was one of the rare computers to use an actual 80186 chip. Seems to "wake up" fine after nice cleaning and checking all connectors... Tried to boot from some 360k flopies with 2.11 DOS on it. No luck. Drives look alive but don't seek for long and stop. Suspect this needs some sort of special DOS or disk format...??? DIN type connector for monitor. Anybody know the pinout or specs? What about the keyboard? Most TRS-80 don't even mention this model 2000...Anybody wanna speculate on how rare this is? Started collecting/restoring a few months back. 35, college degree in electronics, worked all my life in electronics and computers. Had access to several college systems when I was young as 14 - neighboor was university teacher and gave me access to a bunch of systems like PLATO (CDC) and several others at local university... Claude

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? Francois > >While thousands of them were produced, in my experience they are very >uncommon in the wild and not easy to come by. > >I'd say an original one with original ROMs (Integer BASIC, etc), and >original motherboard, is worth about $100. > >A little more if it comes with the original Apple ][ Reference manual (the >Red book) and the BASIC programming manual (the Blue book). > >If it has a 13-sector disk controller, a little more. > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * >The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1! >It sounds like a PCJr. PCjr was 8088, early 80s and was very funky compared to the PS/2 and later PS/1s. >Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? No external, it was internal. >Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"? No, internal PS. >Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard? Nope, standard external PS2 (smaller din connector) >Did the PS/1 have joysticks? No, it was aimed at business users. Allison > >The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought that >it was IBM backing down from MCA. > > >Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make >me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com >

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"FBA" <fauradon(a)mn.mediaone.net> wrote: > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? Integer BASIC leaves the D0 and D8 ROM sockets empty; Applesoft BASIC fills all the ROM sockets. In Integer BASIC systems, D0 may be filled with the Programmer's Aid #1 ROM. The difference between 13-sector and 16-sector Disk ][ controllers is the two ROMs on the card -- I believe the 13-sector ROMs are called "P5" and "P6" while the 16-sector ROMs are called "P5A" and "P6A". I can't remember whether the ICs are stamped with this however. -Frank McConnell

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Lethal computers? (was: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Just how frequent ARE fatalities from computers? > >Very, Very rare. Injuries are rare as well (especially if the case isn't >open). I think we can discount RSI-type problems for a machine that will >only be used for a few minutes at a time. While they are rare they are not unheard of. The most common is small cuts from unborken metal edges, doors closing on parts of anatomy due to gravity, next is gears and wheels that grab or cut. Some systems that have hgh power (voltage or current) have caused burns. Of course there is the ever present screwdriver slipped and hand caught it. Allison

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Signetics "Instructor-50" docs (2650) available in Sunnyvale, CA

by frustum＠pacbell.net

While I was at Weirdstuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale, CA, this afternoon, I noticed that they had two boxes full of these docs: "Introduction to The Instructor 50 (tm) Desktop Computer" and "The Instructor 50 (tm) Desktop Computer Users' Guide" both are copyright 1978. The first is, oh, about 100 pages long, and the second is 200 pages. They were intended to be sold with the Signetics Instructor 50 computer, which uses a 2650 processor. Weirdstuff wants $1 apiece. Here is a link to a picture of one: http://www.zianet.com/kromeke/pastcomp/misc/signetic.htm They go through some rudiments of computers, some particulars of the 2650, some example programs, and then the usual description of all the opcodes. Hey, it even has an S-100 expansion capability. Schematics included. Anyway, if you are in the area and are interested, check it out. There are at least 20 of each, all completely unused (although a bit yellowed). I'll try to describe where -- it is in the back section, pretty much as far away from the entrance to the rear section as you can get. It is on a bottom shelf along the rear aisle. If you don't live in the area but are really interested, I'll consider filling a limited number of requests. (eg, you have an instructor 50, or you have a 2650-based computer but don't have any idea about its instruction set). I'd rather not find, address, stuff, and mail 20 packages for a bunch of tire kickers. ;-) ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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Items for Trade

by jimoaks＠one.net

Hello all, im looking to trade alot of my classic stuff. Im looking for Amiga and Atari ST Items, Here is what I have. Please email me at jimoaks(a)one.net if interested. Trade List MAC: Mac Performa 630CD w mouse/keyboard Stylewriter 2 15" Multiscan Monitor Quadra 660AV Video not working. TANDY TRS-80 COCO 3 Working 14" Monitor 4 cartridges OFFTOPIC- Act Labs Force RS SEGA: Saturn Sega Saturn- Works- Controllers work in menus, but not in games. Saturn- NHL97 Boxed Saturn- FIFA 98 Boxed Saturn- Daytona USA Loose 2 Controllers RF Unit Genesis Sega Nomad- Works Great hardly used RF Unit 1 Sega Controllers Mortal Kombat NHL 98 NBA Live 96 NBA Jam Tony Larussa Madden 94 NHL 94 Buck Rogers:CountDown to Doomsday All Boxed, except Buck Rogers GAME GEAR: Game Gear Unit AC Adapter Sonic 2 NHL Allstar Hockey Both games Boxed NINTENDO: SNES: Snes Unit- Works Great 1 controllers 1 rf unit Wing Commander MLBPA 94 Super Empire Strikes Back NES: 1 Loose NES Unit- Works at times 2 Boxed NES Units- Both work, have all connections 4 controllers 1 light gun Baseball Sim 1.000 Destination EarthStar Dragon Warrior Home Alone IronSword-WW2 Nightmare on Elm RadRacer Skate or Die Super Mario 2 SuperMario/Duck Hunt Tecmo Baseball Teenage Mutant Turtles Top Gun Winter Games All not Boxed ATARI 5200: 5200 Unit Power supply Tv Unit Controller Unit Boxed works great, looks like rarely been played Pole Position Loose 2600/7800 Six Switch 2600 Atari 7800 Atari Controller 4 Switch 2600 Atari Controllers Atarti Paddle BOXED-7800 Centipede BOXED-7800 ROBOTRON BOXED-Realsports Baseball Asteroids Baseball Berzerk Bowling BOXED-Pitfall Breakout China Syndrome Circus Atari Combat Defender Demons to Diamonds Dolphin Donkey Kong Dragonfire Dragster Empire Strikes Back Enduro Flash Gordon Football Gangster Alley Golf Gorf Grand Prix Indy 500 International Soccer Jungle Hunt Kangaroo Laser Blast Maze Craze MegaMania Missle Command Moon Patrol Night Driver Omega Race Pac Man Pele's Soccor Pitfall Planet Patrol Pole Position Pong Sports Private Eye Q-Bert Raiders of the Lost Ark RealSports Baseball RealSports Football RealSports Volleyball Riddle of the Sphinx River Raid Slot Racers Solaris Space Invaders Space Shuttle Speedway 2 Star Raiders Star Voyager Strawberry Shortcake Street Racer Summer Games-PAL Super Breakout Surround TAZ Tennis Turmoil Video Checkers Video Olympics Video Pinball WarLords Yars Revenge INTELLIVISION: Space Battle Space Hawk Astromash All Boxed ODYSSEY: Las Vegas Black Jack Football Alien Invaders-Plus All Boxed http://www.classicmag.net Preserving the Past for the Future

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Apple II FAQ

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

For those having Apple II computers and little or no documentation: The Csa2 (comp.sys.apple2) Usenet newsgroup Apple II FAQs originate from the Ground Apple II archive, 1997-2000. Ground Apple II Administrator: Steve Nelson ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Faqs/ http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/Faqs/ The Csa2 FAQs may be freely distributed. Two mirrors are: http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/A2FAQs1START.html http://www.grin.net/~cturley/A2.FAQs.and.INFO/CSA2.FAQs/Csa21MAIN1.txt

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pdp 8/e M8655 serial card

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>The main console should be devices 03 and 04, if i recall correctly >from 25 years ago... Yup >Does anyone have this information in a text file, or a better quality scan >of the printset? http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/hard8e/kl8ja.html If people have problems with the scans on my site, email me. Most of them (this one included) are due to the quality of the original but I may have scan problems with some. If anybody has a better copy they can scan or can send me a copy I will put it on my site. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Old computers with blinkenlights

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I thought ARC was that compression format that descended to obscurity after SEA sued Phil Katz (g,d & r). -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Will Jennings Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:36 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: A reason to hit ARC, etc. Its umm American Retarded Citizens or something like that...

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Lethal computers? (was: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Yes, but most of those will only occur if you're working inside the >machine. I've seen plenty of sharp edges on metal brackets _inside_ >computers (particularly cheap PCs), but none on the outside of the case >when it's assembled fully. Moving parts are similarly enclosed (and are >not really an issue for most micros anyway). All high voltage/current >connections are enclosed. And you don't need a screwdriver to _use_ a >computer. Ok... cases in point... DEC LP27 gas springs for the cover fail... score one scalp line cut for both FS AND Customer. LP25, charaband hand stopped, fingers enter anyway... customer. Oh, reason for opening, needed new ribbon. Rack full of RLO2s, customer pulls one out after pushing in the anti-tip foot... first one slides out, then two... Customer pinned against wall. FS checking out what happend and why repeats event! Customer leans against BA32 with MVII, said unit tips, customer employee nets broken toe. Shall I continue? iIt does happen even if only a few times a year. When it come to anything harder or larger than dust someone will find a way to hurt themselves with it. Or the corollary, foolproof, isn't! Only fools believe it. Allison

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