Hi!
Does anybody have information about how the Apollo Domain xx00 series goes
about netbooting? I didn't recognize any standard boot protocol...
Is it possible to teach it to user BOOTP/TFTP/RARP stuff or maybe the HP
remote boot thingies?
Thanks,
Kevin
John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> writes:
> San Jose to Portland is about 400? 500? miles right up the 5.. make
> a pleasant roadtrip of it, and only pay for the rental and gas.
665.2 miles, according to Yahoo Maps. Sounds about right, I've driven
it several times.
Blech, brown recluses! I have a computer that was a home for them... My
uncle lives in Colorado Springs, and his old house had a seperate,
free-standing shed/garage type of thing (much too big for a shed really).
Anyway, that's where he kept his tractor, camper, etc. And his garage was
infested with the things... And back in the far corner was my Honeywell
DPS-6/54, and the previous owner had thoughtfully coiled up the cables in
the bottom of the cabinet, creating a nice hiding space.. Needless to say,
my uncle and I were wearing thick gloves and long shirts when we put it in
the truck..
Will J
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This is not necessarily off-topic, because the device is interesting enough
to qualify, even tho it is less than 5 years old.
I recently picked up an HP 200LX "palm-top". This is discontinued from HP,
in favor of their PocketPC products, but the details can be had at
http://www.hp.com/jornada/products/200/. In short, this is a palm-sized PC,
with a slightly-less-than 8MHz 80186 processor, 2mb of RAM, and embedded
DOS. It has your slew of familiar PIM type apps - calendar, contacts. It
also has an embedded version of Quicken and cc:Mail. It has a PCMCIA
controller, but I dunno what devices it supports. I tried a Lucent WaveLAN
803.11b Silver card in it, but, as I suspected, it did not work. According
to HP docs, you can use flash-ram, modems, and other devices. I have the
recharger, but it's fitted with alkaline batteries right now. You'd
obviously need NiCad to use the recharger unit. Includes a fairly thick
users guide.
I'm offering it here first, just because I find it a "gee-whiz" type of
device, if not exactly "classic". If no-one here is interested, I'll try to
offer it on e-bay. It works, except I get error messages that the backup
battery is low, even tho I replaced it. Perhaps something is wrong?
I'll trade it for pretty much anything of interest (but I'd really like a
VAX 750 :) so let me know please.
Shop online without a credit card
http://www.rocketcash.com
RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary
I usually pick up any old uncommon keyboard that I see. I recently
acquired one that has no Logo or company name on it. Opening it
up gives some #s and the name Handaman on the PCB. The
connector is a right-angle 5pin DIN.
It has a plastic silver-gray case and a metal bottom-plate It is
qwerty with grey and black keys. There is a reset button on the
upper-left side. There's a row of 5 function keys on the left labelled
PF1 to PF10. On either side of the space key are LOCK on left
side and GRAPH on right side. On the left side of the qwerty are
ESC, a tab-key,CTRL, and SHIFT. It has the >< keys between the
l-shift and Z.and double periods and commas where those usually
are.
Some others are also differently placed- INS/DEL are one key. It
has a numeric keypad with a RED break key and a double 0 next
to the regularly placed 0.
Anyone recognize this beast ?
thanks larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
I was just watching CircuitryMan the other day on cable. Amusing to find that
even in the distant future when jacking into someone's brain is common place
and the environment has been so despoiled as to be uninhabitable (and we get
the environmental lecture from Plughead, the bad guy) that the tools the police
use to scan someone's brain for information are driven by a Kaypro 2. :)
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Would the people on this list that are involved with the DEC KS10s I have
stored in my shop please contact me off the list - I may need to move
them out within a month or two.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
> While I'm at it, anyone remember an old Live from Off Center PBS show that
> featured a single, half hour long Rube Goldberg contraption? It was in a
> dark wharehouse and they taped it as some sort of performance art peice. It
> rocked, and I can't find any info on it. Thanks!
>
I know you posted this a while ago, but I just found it. I was
wondering if you ever
found the information you were looking for - I am looking for the same
tape of the
1/ 2 hour Rube Goldberg I saw on PBS. Please let me know if you got any
further
info. Thanks so much.
Monyca White
From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com>
> If anyone's interested, I've been working on producing compilable
>source for some printed 8080-based programs. I have to do some final
proof
>reading, but I will post shortly to my Web site the source for Lawrence
>Livermore BASIC (from an early DDJ issue) and the Amsat-Golem monitor
>program (from an early BYTE magazine).
I have the listings for them in one of the Best of Interface Age books.
It also contains:
LLL BASIC
Dr Wangs Palo Alto BASIC (tiny)
National TinyBasic (NIBL)
Floppy Rom #1 Robert Unterwyks 6800 4k basic
Allison
Wasn't Bill Yates listed as a co-author on the original Altair article in
P-E with Ed Roberts?
Rich
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Allain [mailto:John.Allain@Donnelley.InfoUSA.Com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:10 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Popular Computing on eBay for $150+
Hey, issue 2 has an article in it by
"William Yates and Paul van Baalen"
IIRC. Can anyone back up that these guys exist?
Seems like a pretty interesting co-incidence.
I'm referring to of course
"William Gates and Paul Allen"
John A.
I found a small circuit board marked "Datel EPROM64 8/88". It has a
ZIF socket on it and it appears to be part of an EPROM burner. One end of
the board has a 24 position card edge connector socket. A quick net search
showed that Datel built a lot EPROM burners that plugged into the Commie
64. Is anyone familar with this product? If so, what else is needed besides
the card with the ZIF socket?
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> Some of Shannon's better known known theorems include
> the Sampling Theorem, which indicates that a bandwidth-limited
> signal can be reconstructed only if sampled at least at twice
> the frequency of the highest-frequency spectral content.
>
Take a 1 Vpp@40Hz Sinewave, highest-frequency spectral content is 40Hz,
sample it at twice this frequency, 80Hz, sample at 0 and 180 degrees (0Vpp
Amplitude), the reconstructed sinewave will be 0Vpp at 0 Hz. Oh well, guess
Shannon's theorem is incorrect...
steve
On March 2, Paul Braun wrote:
> They came up with the name "MITS" to siphon off some of the
> prestige from the school of the same initials, and then made up the
> words necessary to make it an acronym....I believe it was "Micro
> Instrumentation and Telemetry Something"....obviously, my brain is
> protesting because it wants more Phish Food and I haven't fed it
> yet.....
It was Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems. Forrest M. Mims
was quite the writer...I grew up reading his books. And who could
forget that his wife's name is...MINNIE! Yes folks, Minnie Mims.
Stop laughing now. ;)
-Dave McGuire
Owen,
I've got the original IBM system install disks and RPG subsystem on 8"
floppies. Unfortunately, that's the only software I have for the /36.
Wouldn't mind finding COBOL or some other more interesting software for it.
If you don't have RPG already installed, I'll loan you the disks (I guess
it's safe to loan software to a fellow Robertson).
Send your address and I'll try to get it out next week.
Steve Robertson
>
>Sure. I'll have to check to see if it's on there already or not, but if it
>isn't, I'm interested. Is it on 8" diskettes?
>
>Thanks,
>Owen
>
>on 2/27/01 2:36 PM, Steve Robertson at steven_j_robertson(a)hotmail.com
>wrote:
>
> > I've got RPG for the /36. Don't know if that interests you or not?
>
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In a message dated 3/2/01 8:18:54 PM Central Standard Time,
jpero(a)sympatico.ca writes:
<< > From: "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu>
> Subject: Re: New here :-)
> Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Duh, I was thinking of the model 60 with the steel case and the full
> height ESDI hard drives. It has a carrying handle at the top and a warning
> that it is over 45 kg.
60,65 SX,80 shares same case and 95 series are all towers and heavy.
Even my 90 XP is heavy too for desktop case.
Heck, both P70/P75 are heavy (appox 20lbs) and do have handle.
Wizard w/ his small IBM collection.
>>
even the small 9556 is very heavy, due to its all metal construction
including the wrap around case. Even so, a 9595 is very heavy. I ebayed one
with a FH SCSI drive and the guy paid shipping for it from one coast to the
other!
david, with a *big* IBM collection.
DB Young Team OS/2
visit the computer collection, and hot rod pinto at:
http://www.nothingtodo.org
Hi gang,
Anyone knows what that person is talking about?
I suspect it might have been a file manager but please let me know if I'm
wrong.
Thanks
Francois
> Hi Francois,
>
> I had a friend of mine say he had something called a lusher(sp?) file
> program on an old comodore computer he had. Any idea what this might have
> been and what it did?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kriss Davis
> kpdavis(a)ilstu.edu
>
>
> A friend of mine has a working Einstein and thinks he has Xtaldos
> and possibly another OS (pseudo-CP/M?) for a 40-column system.
> There was apparently a genuine CP/M version for an 80-column
> machine, but he doesn't have the 80-column add-on, nor real CP/M.
> Unfortunately, he's about to go on holiday, so it will be at least a
> couple of weeks before he can look for disks, but I've saved your
> mail, and will remind him.
Thanks Pete. My Einstein came with the 80 column add-on so now I've
got something else to find :-) i.e. the genuine CP/M as well as
XtalDos.
After changing a few jumpers in the 80 column add-on, the Einstein now
works with the Phillips mono monitor I use with my BBC Master.
Doug
Hmm, if it was shipped USPS, there is a department that warehouses all of
that unreturnable and unforwardable mail.. read about it in Smithsonian
once.. they even had some guy's ashes on the shelf, and due to that article,
the family who was related to him was able to contact the USPS and retrieve
his remains..
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I'll catalog everything and figure out a fair distribution scheme as soon as
I receive the package.
Any thoughts from the group about the legality of copying the CDs?
The 10.X stuff was available for free from HP as Y2K updates and I see
install packages being sold on Ebay all the time.
Thanks again Paul,
Steve Robertson
>From: "Paul Braun" <nerdware(a)laidbak.com>
>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: HP-UX librarian has been chosen
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:25:45 -0600
>
>Hi, group.
>
>Steve Robertson has volunteered to be librarian. I'll be boxing the
>discs up this weekend and shipping them out, and I'm assuming
>he'll catalog 'em and post what he's got after he gets 'em (would be
>kinda hard for him to do it *before* he gets them.....)
>
>Thanks again to everyone who volunteered to help. Hopefully, this
>system will help the greatest number of you *nix-heads.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Paul Braun WD9GCO
>Cygnus Productions
>nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com
>
>"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a
>bunch of bricks tied to its head."
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Commode-ore? Maybe its the flusher file then? Does the machine stall instead
of crash? hehe
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Hello, all:
If anyone's interested, I've been working on producing compilable
source for some printed 8080-based programs. I have to do some final proof
reading, but I will post shortly to my Web site the source for Lawrence
Livermore BASIC (from an early DDJ issue) and the Amsat-Golem monitor
program (from an early BYTE magazine).
Enjoy.
Rich
The rescue of a very obscure 70s era mini-computer was accomplished last
Thursday and Friday. It had been sitting in a storage shed on a forsaken
piece of property in Tampa, Florida, for at least 15 years, quite possibly
20. Although it wasn't exposed to the elements, the humidity, termites
and rats did a number on the machine. I was told of the machine by a man
related to the person who used to own the property, but has been passed
away now for several years. The property was tied up in probate, and he
invited me to just come and take the machine whenever I wanted.
The machine was made by Four Phase Systems, somewhere in the 1972-73
timeframe. Four Phase Systems was a company that ran out of Santa Clara,
California, from the late-60s through the 80s. I believe they were
eventually bought out by Motorola. One of the biggest technological
achievements of Four Phase was in producing a sort of microprocessor
before Intel, in the 1968-1969 timeframe. It was called the AL1 and was
intended to be a general purpose CPU for mini-computer systems. I don't
have many details on it yet but I'm awaiting more literature. I became
aware of it from my research during VCF 2.0, when I was promoting the
unveiling of Ray Holt's F14 CADC "microprocessor".
I don't know if the AL1 has all the elements of a "microprocessor" as
defined by the base standard, which is the Intel 4004. But one professor
at North Carolina State University wrote a paper arguing that FPS could
have called it a microprocessor, but chose not to. He's sending me a copy
of the paper he wrote and I'll report further when I receive it.
The rescue was not without its challenges. Louis and his wife met me at
the airport and we drove over to the site. It was a dark storage shed
cluttered with junk. We immediately set about pulling out the computer
hardware. Luckily, it was all in racks on rollers, but we still had to
roll it out onto dirt to get it onto the truck. The machines were filthy,
having been infested with rat's nests. We didn't realize the extent of it
until we got them to Louis' warehouse. Louis had made a couple prior
visits to investigate the site and to round up various bits of
documentation. Some of the manuals were almost complete destroyed by
termites. They looked simply water damaged until you opened them up,
where you would find that they were almost completely eaten out by
termites (with still live termites running around inside). Fortunately, a
lot of the documentation did survive in relatively good shape. We grabbed
up all the docs worth saving and stuffed them into two big garbage bags.
I'll have to sort through them (and hopefully not introduce a horrible
strain of termites to the California environment :) Some of the manuals
that survived included schematics of the various boards that comprise the
system.
We loaded everything up onto the truck within the limits of the sunlight
we had. We then drove it over to Louis' warehouse. The next morning we
palletized everything for shipping. We had a 5' tall 19" rack for the
CPU, another for the tape drive, and then a 3' tall cabinet that housed a
removeable platter hard drive. We also got a smaller Xerox 800 word
processing machine. All the racks had a tremendous amount of shredded
paper, Spanish moss, and other undesirable elements from the rat's nests.
One nest even contained the remains of one of its previous inhabitants.
Luckily, Louis' shop had an air compressor. We tried to blow everything
out as thoroughly as possible.
Here are the pictures of the machine:
CPU card cage
http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20CPU.jpg
CPU Front Panel (front cover removed)
http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Front%20Panel.jpg
CPU (left) and tape drive
http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Mini-Computer.jpg
This picture shows the grime and yuck that was inside the hard drive
unit. A lot of the mess was the decayed sound-dampening foam lining the
inside:
http://www.siconic.com/computers/Inside%20Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Hard%20D…
This picture shows the rat's nest inside the Xerox 800 unit:
http://www.siconic.com/computers/Xerox%20800%20Rat's%20Nest.jpg
I didn't take any pictures of the terminals, but we saved four out of the
8 or 9 that were there. We also found an old Televideo all-in-one CP/M
machine inside the house on the property.
We put the CPU and tape drive on one pallet, and the hard drive on
another. I left the Xerox 800 behind, for now. Louis is holding it for
me until I can determine if it is significant enough to save. The reason
I left it is because it is fairly rusted inside. I don't like to trash
anything, but the circumstances being that it was very rusted and I didn't
want to fill another pallet, I decided to leave it until I could research
it further to determine if it is worth saving. It looks like it might be
some predecessor of the Xerox 820 computer, as it has the same color
scheme and badge. Or it may be related to the 8010 in some odd way. I'm
not sure. But if someone has information on this machine I'd certainly
appreciate you sharing it. It had a typewriter attached by a thick cable,
and two digital cassette drives on the front. If anyone has any info on
this machine then please let me know. If it ends up being worth saving,
Louis will ship it out to me. If not, Louis will dumpster it.
I shoved the rest of the terminals, keyboards and documentation inside the
open space of the cabinets, first wrapping them in cardboard to give them
some cushioning. Everything was very snug. We wrapped the machines in
cardboard and then Louis banded them. Everything was tight.
We had a guy from the business next door load everything onto the U-Haul
we rented with a forklift. If we'd thought about it, we could have gotten
by without the U-Haul, since we originally were going to use pallets that
would not have fit inside Louis' pickup. But we ended up using very
narrow pallets. Oh well. Something to keep in mind for next time.
We drove the pallets out to Forward Air in Tampa for shipping.
(http://www.forwardair.com). Forward Air is a favorite shipper amongst
arcade game collectors (and myself) because it is so cheap. They charge
USD$0.20/lbs from Tampa to San Francisco (rates vary depending on distance
and other factors). The only drawback is that you must haul your pallets
to and from their depots, which are located throughout the US (check their
website for locations). But it's entirely worth it. The pallets weighed
way more than we anticipated: 1,377 pounds total! I was thinking, based
on the weight estimates I initially got, that it would cost me only around
$120 to ship. It ended up being $294. Still, not bad for almost 3/4 of a
ton.
I will have more information about the machine once I retrieve it from
Forward Air's depot in San Francisco either today or tomorrow. I'll have
a chance to look over everything over the weekend.
I'd like to profusely thank Louis Schulman and his wife for their help
with this project. I certainly would have had extraordinary difficulty
trying to do this whole thing without his help.
While we're on the topic of Louis, I would just like to give a plug to his
business, Island Wood Works. He makes fantastic outdoor wood furniture.
This is real quality stuff. You folks in Florida (and just about anywhere
for that matter...they've shipped furniture to places all over the
country, including the San Diego Zoo) should definitely give Louis a call
and buy some furniture from him. His number is 727/572.1119, or find him
on the web at http://www.islandwoodworks.com. He's in Clearwater.
Thanks, Louis!!!
Lessons learned:
I planned well in advance for this adventure. You all might remember me
posting a message back in January asking for assistance on this project. I
got a few responses (thanks, all), but Louis was right in the Tampa area,
had a truck, the facilities to palletize everything, and a keen sense of
adventure, so it worked out perfectly.
I checked where everything was in advance (the nearest U-Haul location,
the location of Forward Air, the hotel I'd be staying in, etc.) from
MapQuest which helped me get an idea of the geography and how much
driving/hauling would be involved.
It was very, very helpful having Louis pre-field the site and try to
determine how much everything weighed so I could estimate the shipping
costs for my budget. This, it turns out, is more difficult to estimate
than one might think. We thought each rack weighed only a couple hundred
pounds but it turns out each must've weighed 400-500 each.
U-Haul is always a fricken nightmare. Just trying to get them to answer
the phone is a challenge. I've used them many times before, but I'm
pretty well aware of what goes on inside U-Haul because they were a client
of the last company I worked for, and I've visited their coporate HQ.
The place is a mess. Still, it is the only game in town, and the best
value (as long as the truck doesn't break down :) It cost $42 to rent a
10' truck, but only for the 4 hours they allowed us to keep it (their
rentals are not "daily", but they still charge you the full 24 hour rate).
Don't get me started on how much I hate U-Haul, but as I said, they are
the only game in town unless you want to shell out a hundred bucks to use
a truck for a day with a company like Ryder or something.
Forward Air is a great company to use for shipping large loads of old
computers. I used them before on a haul of Xerox 6085 "Daybreaks" from
Raleigh, North Carolina, and that went well. Be aware that Forward Air
does have a reputation for dropping things and damaging them. I hope my
machine arrived OK, but I won't know until I go get it. I'll report on it
once I do. Still, the value can't be beat.
Always give yourself enough leeway in terms of time. Everything went as
well for us as it could have, and so we actually finished quicker than I
originally scheduled. I planned to leave on Saturday morning for Fort
Lauderdale, but ended up taking off at 4pm on Friday instead. Retrieving
the computers only took about 2 hours. Palletizing everything took about
4 hours. We did this leisurely. If we'd have rushed we probably could
have done it all in 2 hours.
This was a very fun project. Every serious big iron collector should do
at least one long distance haul like this. Even you guys who only collect
micros should try something like this once. It always makes for good
stories to share with other collectors.
:)
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Can anyone recommend any websites that may list
Apollo's that are for sale? I have tried eBay and don't
see anything there. I even checked the eBay sites set
up for each country (ie. Germany, France, etc.)
Also, what is the most common model of Apollo that
I am likely to find? Are there any companies or
educational institutions still using Apollo's and
running Domain?
-Bill
wstan(a)localhostnl.demon.nl
Hi, group.
Steve Robertson has volunteered to be librarian. I'll be boxing the
discs up this weekend and shipping them out, and I'm assuming
he'll catalog 'em and post what he's got after he gets 'em (would be
kinda hard for him to do it *before* he gets them.....)
Thanks again to everyone who volunteered to help. Hopefully, this
system will help the greatest number of you *nix-heads.
Paul Braun WD9GCO
Cygnus Productions
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VAX g00r00s!
This question was posed to me:
Did VMS have a built in utility that allowed to 1) time how long a given
user was logged in, and/or 2) track what directories on the VAX the user
entered?
Answers appreciated. Thanks!
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Ram the book my local library has is:
Title : Parallel processing : the transputer and its applications / edited
by M.E.C. Hull, D. Crookes, P.J. Sweeney. Publication : Wokingham, England ;
Reading, Mass. : Addison-Wesley Pub. Co., c1994. Description : xii, 328 p. :
ill. ; 24 cm. Series : International computer science series Note : Includes
bibliographical references and index. Subject(s) :
* >
Author(s) : Hull, M. E. C.Crookes, Daniel, 1956-Sweeney, P. J. (Patrick J.)
ISBN : 0201627558 Holdings :
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
Ram
That title seems to ring a bell.
Somewhere I have the full set of the documentation and software that came
with the CSA transputer kit. I also have a set of the boards that go in the
PC. One board is a single t805 with the PC interface the other contains 4
T805's that can be connected via jumper cables. 5-6 years ago I modeled
several ultrasound algorithms using the transputer to see if parallel
processing using the transputer would produce real-time images.
The kit came with reprints of several transputer and occam articles. I also
researched what others had done and got reprints of their articles. My
local public library has a book on creating applications using the
transputer.
I'll try and dig up more this weekend.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
Jarkko Teppo <jarkko.teppo(a)er-grp.com> wrote:
> as the subject says, what do you people use for tape cleaning ?
Isopropyl alcohol (>91%) and lint-free cloths. Should be OK on all HP
914x and 79[78]x drives *excepting* 7976, whose drive is some bizarre
STC contraption that is made with the vacuum columns lined with
little glass beads that are glued to the sides of the column --
alcohol is a solvent for this glue!
-Frank McConnell
Hehe, yes I would agree that missiles are a *very* bad product for your body
: ) And yes, I know what you were meaning but I love being a smartass... Yes
I can tell its lovely stuff, its labeled harmful or fatal if swallowed,
vapor harmful, avoid prologned skin contact, etc. etc. etc.
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Hi,
Can someone provide me with the contents overview of the following book
if you have it:
Transputer Applications Notebook - Systems & Performance
It is basically a collection of technical notes from INMOS. I need to
know if there are any technical notes that are in this book that are NOT
in the following two books:
Inmos Technical Notes
Inmos Communicating Sequential Processes
Thanks,
Ram
I also have that cleaning kit, but both (totally empty) bottles are marked
"Freon TF"... But I still love my genuine IBM Tape Unit Cleaner, "Contains
Trichlorotrifluoroethane, isopropyl alcohol." Should I ever run out of tape
drives to clean, just add water and then its Sterno, hehe
Will J
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John,
Yes, I got around 3 or 4 of them, but those boards were all I/O boards,
memory, and maybe a disk controller.. All that Intel parts do in those
machines is run I/O... the CPU is custom. The CPU in my VS300 appears to be
made of 74AS881 4-bit ALU's and other 74xx parts, as well as 29xx parts. 32
bits, by the way.
Will J
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Anyone using or hacking a Wang VS-100 system for anything these days? I
ran across a very complete looking one in a storage building but as it's
reasonably huge I've left it for the time being. O/S is unique to Wang
is it not? Too proprietary to be of any use?
Thanks, Craig
I'd say it must be the 100 that requires the boot console, as the 300 has a
console built into it. Heck, the 300 is like an 11/780, i.e. has 2 computers
in one, since it contains an entire Wang PC as the console/front end.
Will J
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I can say for sure that my 2200MVP's floppy drives use them, as all of the
software and floppies I have for it are Wang hard-sector floppies...
Will J
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:05:53 -0800 Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net>
writes:
<SNIPPAGE>
> I used to work at a place called Palantir, which changed its name to
> Calera, which later got bought by Caere. All of them made/make OCR
> equipment.
WOW, is that a blast from the past! Palantir made one of the first
spell-checkers for Windows 2.0! Gawd, I remember using it with
'write' in 1987.
I had always wondered what had happened to them . . .
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My thoughts and prayers go to all of us on the List who have been
affected in any way by the recent siesmicity in Seattle. I hope sincerely
that your families, yourselves, and your Stuff is okay.
Here in India, as you might know, there was a huge quake which levelled
a whole region, though I live 1250 miles from it, it was felt here (In
Madras)
Also, there has been El Salvador, and recently in the Afghanistan
region, some activity which affected lives.
I hope to hear good nes from some of the regular members who post from
the Pacific Northwest.
Cheers
John
Does anyone know where I can find an Apollo
workstation? I am looking for the vintage that
runs the Domain OS. I would also prefer a
source somewhere in Europe, although I could
make special arrangements for the US if
necessary.
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
On Dec 19, 23:18, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, John Foust wrote:
>
> > Some .ram files merely reference an .rm file via http://,
> > such as a .ram that contains:
> >
> > http://streams2.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.rm
> >
> > which would allow you to just enter that URL directly,
> > or save-as, and then you'd have the .rm file.
>
> Sheer genius. But it didn't work :(
I used the audio hardware on one of my SGI machines to snarf the stream as
it played and uploaded it to
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/temp/daisy.wav for you (about 3MB).
I was intrigued by the recording, and I knew I'd seen a reference somewhere
else, so I spent a while hunting for more information. Interestingly, the
first reference I found was in the classiccmp archives, from two years ago!
But the following may be of interest:
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/INST/mar98/histquiz.html
(a little background)
http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.folklore.computers/20001109_Musical_main…
(several recent informative Usenet posts)
http://korova.com/kmr98/kmr8002.htm
(near the bottom, explains that "Daisy" was useful because it contains
all the notes in an octave)
http://www.mindspring.com/~dmaxey/ssshp/ss_btl1.htm
(relevant published papers and archive tapes at BTL, including the one
from which "Daisy" is taken)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
For those who may not have caught a news report lately, our area was hit
with a pretty good-sized shaker today -- 6.8 on the Richter, to be exact,
with the epicenter about 30 miles southwest of Seattle.
The vast majority of the damage was in the older sections of the state
capitol in Olympia, and in parts of downtown Seattle. The local news had
some footage of a twisted pile of metal, buried under (literally) a ton of
bricks from an older building. Said pile had once been an SUV in the Ford
Bronco (full-size) class.
The building I work in at Boeing's Renton plant appears to have sustained
minimal damage, though it is still closed at this hour. It is expected to
reopen tomorrow unless major structural problems are found.
Thanks be to God, the sum total of our "damage" here at home was a stuffed
animal fallen from its shelf, and my mate's closet door jarred out of
alignment with its track guide.
I have yet to check on the level of damage at the local used-computer
places. The only fatality I know of, and I'm not even certain it can be
directly attributed to the quake, is that a heart-attack victim died.
And that's the Way it Is from southeast of Seattle, Kent's East Hill. At
least Peter Jennings wasn't on the air to say "Earthquack" like he did with
the Bay Area's 'Quake of '89.' ;-)
Keep the peace(es).
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be
superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).
Hi,
This message replies to several in the thread about NeXT MO disks.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 Jerome Fine wrote:
>> A question about MO disks and the Canon MO drive installed in some NeXT
>> cube computers.
>> I know NeXT MO disks are single-sided, commonly quoted as having a capacity
>> of 256MB.
>
> I have some rather old MO disks as well, but they are made by Sony and are
> for a 5 1/4" Magneto Optical Disk drive - an S501. They are very close to
> 290 MBytes on each side and are formatted for 512 bytes per sector.
The sector layout is stamped into the disk at the factory; it is not possible
to change. That's why there are two variants, e.g. 600MB and 650MB for first-
generation drives. 600MB disks have 512-byte sectors, and 650MB disks have
1024-byte sectors. The extra capacity of 650MB disks is because less space is
wasted on sector headers. Without special driver software, some computers only
work with media with 512-byte sectors, which is why the lower-capacity disks
exist.
(On a kind-of-related note: I understand the sector layout or servo tracks of
e.g. Zip disks are written at the factory. Does that mean if you degauss a
Zip disk it is then useless, and cannot be reformatted?)
> I don't know anything about the NeXT hardware, but if the shoe fits, ....
>
>> ...
>
> Since 250 MBytes per side is close, they might be the same as the ones I
> have. Mine are 5 1/4" disks and formatted at 512 bytes per sector and hold
> about 295 MBytes on each side for a total of about 590 Mbytes per disk.
The Canon/NeXT disks are not the same as the ISO standard 600/650MB disks
which the Sony drive uses. They may be the same physical shape, but that is
all.
A page on the Sony web site indicates that NeXT drives can use 600/650MB
disks. I'm almost certain that is wrong. (The URL of the page is
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/data/cg/table1mo.html - scroll down to the
Canon section.)
> In addition, a friend of mine has a large number of these disks which he no
> longer wants. For a nominal charge plus shipping and handling, I am sure
> that they can be made available. The shipping alone (these weigh about 1/2
> lb. EACH) will likely be more than the disks, so I do think it is a good
> deal. On eBay, they often try to get the suckers to pay over $ US 5.00 a
> disk just to start, although sometimes they start at a more reasonable $ US
> 2.00 each. I am in Toronto, so the shipping may be more than you want to
> pay!
Shipping may not be that expensive. A while ago I bought 50 5.25" MO disks,
and shipping within the USA by UPS cost $17 (from memory). The "media mail"
USPS rate is comparable to book rate, but for computer media.
Getting an older MO drive and disks is a really cheap way to get reliable
removable storage. The drives are so cheap (usually under $25 for a 650MB
drive, under $50 for 1.3GB) it is practical to get one for each computer.
Used disks cost $1 or $2 each. Way better than using a Zip drive, I think.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 Jeff Hellige wrote:
>> I have some rather old MO disks as well, but they are made by Sony and are
>> for a 5 1/4" Magneto Optical Disk drive - an S501. They are very close to
>> 290 MBytes on each side and are formatted for 512 bytes per sector.
>
> If I recall correctly, one of the problems with the MO drives
> was that there was little to no standardization of the formats or
> disks for the drives.
That's not really true any more. Well, since 1991 anyway.
Before the original ISO standard was finalised, there were some problems with
interchanging disks between drives from different companies. This was
around 1989-1990. I believe most manufacturers updated the firmware of their
drives to solve the problems.
The major standard 5.25" MO capacities are:
600/650MB "1x", ISO 10089 Format A
1.2/1.3GB "2x", ISO 13549
2.3/2.6GB "4x", ISO 14517
4.1/4.8/5.2GB "8x", ISO 15286
8.6/9.1GB "14x", new, no standard published yet
Newer drives can usually read all, and write to some or all previous
standards.
Currently 5.25" MO drives are manufactured by Maxoptix and Sony (HP and IBM
drives are manufactured by Sony). They are completely compatible; a Maxoptix
drive can read disks written in a Sony drive etc.
In the past, drives have also been made by at least Ricoh, MOST, NEC, Nikon,
Sharp, Pinnacle Micro, IBM, HP. Disks written on any of those should be
readable on modern drives.
There are some other less common capacities; Hitachi made a drive which used
1.7GB/2GB disks, Pinnacle Micro's Apex drive could use 4.2/4.6GB disks, and
Maxoptix made drives which could use 900MB/1GB disks. All those types of disk
are still available new incidentally, and current Maxoptix drives can read
and write the 900MB/1GB disks.
There are a few uncommon types which you will rarely come across:
- Pioneer make MO drives which are mainly used in medical imaging
applications; apparently some CT scanners use Pioneer drives. Drive and
media prices for these are quite high, as Pioneer are the only source.
There are three types of rewritable MO media for Pioneer drives: 654MB (ISO
10089 Format B), 1.7GB and 2.2GB.
- ... and of course the Canon 500MB disks.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 Jeff Hellige wrote:
>> Pinnacle called their drive the REO-650 and in a dual configuration it
>> was called an REO-1300. Since I also have an REO-650 and have
>> looked inside, I can verify that on the early models, this was the actual
>> hardware. Obviously, both the S501 and the REO-650 use the
>> identical media.
>
> I took a look at the Pinnacle drive today and it is a
> Pinnacle Micro Sierra Optical Hard Drive with a 1.3gig capacity on
> 5-1/4" removable media. Supposedly it is a double-sided cartridge
> capable of holding 650Mb per side. It appears to be a standard SCSI
> drive, but unfortunately I do not have any of the disks for it.
The Sierra is a very nice drive, at least going from the specs; I haven't used
one. Perhaps the fastest 1.3GB MO drive: spins at 4500rpm, average seek time
19ms, 4MB cache memory.
You can use any 1x (600MB, 650MB) or 2x (1.2GB, 1.3GB) MO disks with it. These
can often be found on eBay for a couple of dollars each. 1.2 or 1.3GB disks
will give faster data transfer than 600 or 650MB ones.
-- Mark
I have an old Apple IIe with a CP/M card. Is there any way of finding a boot
disk for this card? Any information on running CP/M on an Apple would be
greatly apreciated.
Thanks
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Can anyone help me identify some odd IBM RAM?
I think that this is almost on topic, since the some of the datecodes
in these 72 pin SIMMs are from '91. These are made by IBM and apparently
were in some RS-6000 machine originally. However, they differ slightly
>from normal 72 pin SIMMS in that the key notch is shorter, so that if
you try to install this on a normal SIMM socket, the module can't go
all the way into the socket. The notch in a normal SIMM is about 6mm long,
but the ones in these SIMMs are just 3mm long.
All SIMMs have 10 chips. Some have the following sticker:
40 IBM091
4M 80NS E
P/N 68X6356
FRU 70F9973 (these have ten IBM chips with the numbers 01G9222, M15075P0)
the remaining one says
P/N 68X6356
P/N 09G9647
FRU 70F9973 (This one has ten HM514400AS8 chips)
So I am guessing that these are 4MB, ECC propietary modules.
Can anyone confirm? Or, perhaps I could file a larger notch
and use these somewhere else?
carlos.
I've decided to put my stash of emulators on my website
so the folk of this list can have a peek. Most emulators come
>from other sites but some of these have closed down
Documentation will be included in the compressed files usually
For some a ROM-download may be needed.
Have fun!
http://xgistor.ath.cx
Drill down via: Go Files / Various downloadable files / emulator
Sipke de Wal
OK, so umm I'm mildly confused... the machine in question is an actual
Apollo, DNxxxx series, correct? What OS are you running, Domain/iX or
Domain/UX? What kind of environment are you trying to integrate the machine
into? I may be able to help you..
Will J
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I just picked up an IBM System/36 (5362) yesterday. It works perfectly, and
(thankfully) had no password security. It has the Interactive Data
Definition Utility, but not Query/36. I was really hoping to use it for
something, and I was wondering if anyone has Query/36 on 8" diskettes. I
have it on 5.25" disks, but not 8". Also if any one has any of the
programming languages (BASIC, COBOL, etc...) I could use those too.
Thanks,
Owen
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Reply-To: kreativkc(a)aol.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:20:04 -0800
From: KC Ross <kreativkc(a)aol.com>
Subject: VCF Feedback!
I have a Compaq 386 PORTABLE, with an external expansion board, orange
plasma screen, carry case, and full original documentation. Perfect
running condition. I am looking to trade it to someone who can appriciate
it, for something else interesting.
KC
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