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Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 4, 21:33, Tony Duell wrote: > A word of warning. Do not use the water-boiling device often used to > prepare water for tea/coffee for boiling belts Similarly, the low-vacuum generator often found in the broom cupboard should be used with care. Whilst it is useful for gathering up small mechanical or electronic components dropped in awkward places, if it is of the type that "beats as it sweeps etc", it must not be used be used to recover the contents of a box of Winchester primers. The primers will not be usable afterwards. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, What kind carwash do you recommend.... the kind with brushes, or no-touch? Will the brushes leave scratches in the finish? :-) Kidding.... Actually I just took the plastic case from my 3400 up the do-it-yourself car wash. I used the engine/tire cleaner on it, and then Comet Cleanser. It turned out nicely..... it is drying now. Usually I do this kind of thing in the bathtub, but since the Microvax case is quite a bit larger than a PC, I decided to do it outside. Since I live in an apartment..... that meant the carwash. The high pressure hose was nice :-) Once I get the case put back together, I'll set it up next to a PC, in a more permanent location. Then I'll get the capture file of "show ***", and post it to the list. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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HP 7933 help (This is easy, trust me..)

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

Heeeeellllou all! So I'm going to be playing around with a 7933 disk drive during the weekend and I'd really appreciate some help. The 7933 is a big honkin' washing machine sized hard disk circa <1985 with a nice keypad and a nifty display (it's not seven segment, more likely ten-segment or something like that). The procedure for powering it up is something like this: connect power (normal single-phase 230V), hit circuit breaker, wait, hit "load/unload" button, wait 3 minutes for the disk to spin up, wait 4 minutes for airpurge (I gather this was simply "purge" in previous models, much to the delight of MPE users) and if you're lucky you'll get "drive #" on the display. So this much I know, but I was wondering if anyone has even a short list of the keypad commands (test numbers etc.) I think it has bad blocks and before I try mediainit I might as well run the built-in diags. TIA, -- jht

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Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Errm, since I'm assuming you're talking guns here, I'd imagine the vacuum stands a good chance of not being operable afterwards, too! Reminds me of my mom's friend's mother, who quit vacuuming forever after she mistakenly vacuumed up a bullet.. scratch one vacuum cleaner! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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cdp1802

by Demon02554＠aol.com

could everyone who sent me an email about that cdp1802 chip resend please.... my little sister deleted them all before i had a chance to read them....thanks

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Teledisk not working

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I have a copy of Teledisk, but have not used it, so my comments might not be on the mark. But, I have used other disk format copy programs and know that they have trouble copying Kaypro disks unless the source disk was formated on the target (non-Kaypro) computer. Apparently the Kaypro (and also Zorba) format had some strange features. Might the unusual formatting be the source of Joe's problems? Robert Feldman Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 AM To: Joe Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Teledisk not working At 10:10 04-04-2001 -0500, you wrote: >Bruce, > > I just tried Teledisk again with the SAME results. This time I used two >known good Kaypro 2 disks. Teledisk copied them to files with no >complaints. TDChck said that the files were OK. However each file was only >281 bytes in size. When I tried to make disks from the files it said that >the data had a CRC error. <snip>

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New Toys - Kaypro II & 2

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I went scrounging last week with one of my buddies and we found some new toys. A Kaypro 2 and a Kaypro II along with a good size pile of Kaypro software. Both of the Kaypros are in mint condition. I kept the 2 and Bob kept the II. Upon checking the 2, I found that it has the Micro Cornicopia Pro-8 ROM. I'm not sure what all it does but it will support up to four 80 track drives in the Kaypro. Now if I can just find that stash of HH 80 track floppy drives! More checking revealed that it also has the 5 MHz Z-80B speedup from Micro C and the Micro C enhanced version of CPM 2.2 (CPM 2.2E). It also has the 88-CoPower card with the 128k daughter board that lets you run MS_DOS on the Kaypro. All in all, a very nice find! Does anyone have the docs on these upgrades? Does anyone have the MS-DOS that runs on the 88-CoPower card? Joe

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RCA Cosmac cdp1802

by Demon02554＠aol.com

does anyone know where i could purchase an RCA Cosmac CDP1802 microprocessor? i've looked for one on ebay and at random antique places.... if anyone could help i would appreciate it

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Teledisk not working

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 10:10 04-04-2001 -0500, you wrote: >Bruce, > > I just tried Teledisk again with the SAME results. This time I used two >known good Kaypro 2 disks. Teledisk copied them to files with no >complaints. TDChck said that the files were OK. However each file was only >281 bytes in size. When I tried to make disks from the files it said that >the data had a CRC error. Since they're so small I'm attaching the files to >this message. You can look at them and see what you think. <snip> Joe, and other Teledisk group buy participants, I've got some bad news. It appears that, within the last year or two, Sydex has completely sold off the rights to Teledisk, and the product itself, to a company called Forensics International. FI's web page clearly states that they will sell only to law enforcement agencies and Fortune-1000 companies that can show a need for the software. I've written FI a note giving our group license info, and asking if they picked up tech support responsibility for existing customers when they bought TD. I would certainly think they would have! However, I think we also need to be prepared for the worst (read: no more support.) I will also drop a note to Sydex, but I don't hold out much hope at this point. Joe, I'll see if I can do anything with the files you sent. Stay tuned... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

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HP 3388 Integrator?

by jss＠ou.edu

Yesterday, while prowling through the University of Oklahoma surplus shop, I found a HP 3388 Integrator. It looked vaguely computerish, with ports for a terminal and tape, and a power switch with a label like "memory contents zeroed when set to off". The only relevant thing returned by a quick Google search for "hp 3388 integrator" is this page: http://www.alphaomegatech.com/datahint.htm Have I found anything interesting (for the $10 it costs)? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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Getting stuff _back_ from standalone backup

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Argh, Ok, this is perhaps a dumb question, and I need to go find my VMS system managers manual, (no doubt it will be at the _bottom_ of my pile of VMS docs). When I have a tape that I created with SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM and I want to restore that tape on to a disk, what do I type to it? I tried this: BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY MIA2: DIA0: but it complained that it couldn't open [SYSEXE]. on DIA0 (which makes sense since DIA0 doesn't have anything on it yet!) --Chuck

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uses for 386sx/NBI OASYS 8

by dasqua＠yahoo.com

I have a few 386sx boxes configured in various ways: - DOS/linux based test environment for developmental ISA cards - windows - print server for two printers serving around 10 computers of various kinds (win nt, 98, linux) - linux - data concentrator for a network of controllers (provides ethernet gateway for a large number of C64s used for controlling greenhouses) A large number of others perform other tasks, often in 1MB RAM with no real video or keyboard. most of them talk via ethernet or serial to ethernet (PPP). some are windows based, others DOS, others linux. As for booting win95 on 386sx it takes awhile, but 10mins is exaggerating. oddly, some tasks are the same speed as on pentium, but you can almost see it drawing the graphics. given I have crippled it with not even a 1MB card I'm not surprised. (256K I think). After patching the windows box it has now stayed online for approximately four years, with downtime for maintenance, upgrade of memory, and installation of printer drivers/redirectors. The patch is needed since the old version of 9x has a timer overflow which crashes it after a certain number of days of uptime. go figure. ..... Anyone have information on the NBI OASYS 8 system? It was a wordprocessing system made in the 80s (late 70s?). It all works fine, and has a 10MB harddisk (SCSI I think), system unit, and two terminals. My basic question is: how do I talk to the terminals? when they boot up they instantly contact the system unit. this is fine, except I want to use the terminals for something else... they are mostly motorola gear: 6809 cpu, sram, io, video etc. I think the networking used is ethernet... the terminals connect via a coax at least (but this is only a guess) I also have two daisy wheel printers. These have print server boxes on the back which put them on the network. the system uses basically 6809 CPUs in various flavours, although the harddisk has a relative of the 8086 onboard. any thoughts? Unlike the rest of my old computers this one is staying in the original number of pieces from the factory! Darrell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Historical Research project

by office＠jortberg.com

Hello: I am looking for the following items as well as their manuals dating back to the mid 1980's. I am willing to pay fair market value as well as all shipping charges. Please email me if you have any of these items or any leads as to where I may obtain them. Thanks. 1. GammaFax Board 2. IBM Scanmaster 3. TITN, Inc. "TWICE X.25" software 4. Xerox "Netmaster" software 5. Wang PIC Cindy Taubert Jortberg Associates

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UPDATE (was: Re: VAX 6000-400 series and NetBSD, I have machines)

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gunther Schadow" <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> To: <port-vax(a)netbsd.org> Cc: "Lord Isildur" <mrfusion(a)umbar.vaxpower.org>; "Brian Chase" <bdc(a)world.std.com>; "J. Buck Caldwell" <buckaroo(a)igps.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:19 AM Subject: UPDATE (was: Re: VAX 6000-400 series and NetBSD, I have machines) > O.K. I now have the inventory of the VAXen. You can see the listing at > > http://aurora.regenstrief.org/VAX.html > > It's quite extensive. These are indeed four 6420 cabinets, though > basically 4 times an identical parts list, and no disk support at all. Typical Cluster setup. Pity you didn't get the HSC and other bits too. I'd give you one, but it's a little far to ship it. > One has a bad power unit. I will use that one as a resource for spare > parts. Unless anyone wants to repair the power unit, that will go to the > junk yard. Which PSU is crook? The mains input box, the 300V supply or one of the LV supplies? > One of the other machine's cabinets lacks a back door, so > I will even use the door from the machine with the broken power unit. > I'll save all boards, cables, and screws that I can get off easily. These are like a meccano set, everything unbolts pretty well, but you will wind up with a mountain of screws and washers. They suffer from what we used to call in the domestic electronics servicing industry 'cousin effect' - the designer had a cousin who owned a screw factory. :^) Someone once mentioned that a friend was attempting to build up one of these minus the cabinet, ie just the cages and psu's, it would be a little tricky, but probably possible, and it would make it a lot more compact. LV and HV PSU's may fail occasionally, and the TK70's are painful at times, everything else in there is ultra reliable. > The two machines I will give away will have 2 CPUs each and 256 MB RAM. Nice. > I will hold on to the spare parts in order to trade them for other > interfaces if necessary. We should get one SDI and one DSSI interface > at least, if not an SCSI interface. That would be good, the SDI would probably be the easiest to find, though not necessarily the easiest to support, with the XMI-BI stuff in the middle. <SNIP> > Matthew Hudson offered to donate SDI disk drives and perhaps a DSSI > interface card. The SDI drives are heavy (64 kg, according to Geoff.) If they are RA8x's, yes, big, awkward, heavy suckers, I can barely carry one on my own. RA9x's are around 30kg, weighty but tolerable, quite reliable and 1/3 the power/noise of the RA8x's. The RA8x's are power hungry and unreliable (the spindle bearings tend to pack up - the platters are 1/2 metre across and are belt driven!) not to mention very noisy. I have several, but do not use them anymore. RA7x's are house brick size/weight, with usual 5v/12v power, but you need at least the SA70 and the right SDI cabling (The cabling is the same for any SDI drive.) Trickier than it sounds, since you can't connect the black SDI's leads directly to the SA70 RA9x, RA8x, you need the cable and socket affair that is on the rack cabinet. You should be able to find some without too much trouble, if the RA8x's are in cabinets, the same cable loom will work with the SA70 enclosures or RA9x drives. 81's are 480mb, 82's are 620mb. 90's are 1Gb 91's 1.2Gb. 70's are 250mb, 71's 750mb, 72's 1Gb, 73's 1.2Gb (I think). You would just about fit one Ra8x in the bottom of a 6k, maybe, 2 RA9x's fit comfortably, and an SA70 is virtually the same dimensions as a single RA9x drive, so in theory you could fit 8 x RA7x's in their SA70s' in the bottom of a 6K, but you would need 2 KDB50s to support them. > Brian, you're organizing the truck for shipment to Bloomington? I'd > be most grateful if that truck would also bring my machine home in > Indy. We may need about 3 to 4 more hands. Ideal number for manual handling of 6k's is about six, and if the truck bed isn't too high, you can stick a thin mattress under them, lay them on their side on it, and slide them off onto a hard surface, then wheel >from there, if the floor is smooth enough. A forklift is much easier though. ;^) Done it both ways. > If need be I'm willing to > accompany you to Bloomington to help with carrying the stuff you take. > Make sure you get a heavy cart and lots of strong and long straps. There > are carts that have a strap so you can get a tight hold of a > refrigerator or laundromat. > This works fairly well, but ask them what > the maximum load is, these boxes are about 300 kg (according to Geoff) > though mine may be lighter 'cause there are no disks or power backup > unit inside. The 318kg is bare machine weight, and does not include disks (which are not mounted internally in 6ks - my setup is nonstandard) or optional extras like the Battery backup pack, (do any of these have one??) which weighs about 40kg or so, (mostly the SLAC batteries). If you intend to do the 3phase-single phase conversion, you can save around 30kg by removing that bloody great autotransformer between the mains input box and the 300V supply. It's surplus to the conversion. Every little bit helps when you are moving something this heavy.

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vaxstation 4000/vlb

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Anything I should know about my new vaxstation 4000/vlb that I picked up on ebay for 47 bucks plus shipping? My intent is to replace my somewhat dead 3100 with it. (I sort of got the replacement memory board installed *backwards * and things went downhill from there. It's probably not really dead, but 8 megs of RAM just isn't enough.) I intend to run the thing headless, btw. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Need help identifying HP part

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 3, 12:29, Dan Veeneman wrote: > At the bottom of the > box was a Hewlett-Packard IC labeled 1820-0076. It's a > 16-pin DIP plastic package with the following stamps: > > 7476N 7751 > SA 1820-0076 > Any ideas what device and purpose this IC might be for? Just a dual J-K flip-flop made around Christmas 1977 (a 7476 is a standard 16-pin DIP TTL JK F/F, and date code 7751 would be week 51, 1977). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Pro380 LEDs

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have a list of what LEDs 1-4 are on the back of a Pro380? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Digital Board ID request please

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

Board has 3 notches. on back it says "DEC DMV11 Microprogram Control". It also has the following numbers: M8053 on one of the top fingers. Also CS*ABCDEFHJKLMNPRS also DDCMP ADDR BOOT enable. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? Headley

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IBM 3380 drive pictures

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, maybe I should take pix of the assembled drive unit? They are no smaller than 1.26GB each, since the smallest 3380 model was a 2.52GB total unit.. I have no difficulty believing the age of the drives, they're fast as hell and store a huge amount of data, my 3380 is an AE4, which makes it a 5.04GB unit. Average seek time of 17ms or less, depending on the model, and data rate of at least 3MB/sec. Average latency of 8.3ms _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Need help identifying HP part

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hello, At the Baltimore hamfest last weekend I picked up several 9825 HP-IB interface cables in a box. At the bottom of the box was a Hewlett-Packard IC labeled 1820-0076. It's a 16-pin DIP plastic package with the following stamps: 7476N 7751 SA 1820-0076 The chip looks to be in good shape and is in anti-static foam inside a plastic box. Any ideas what device and purpose this IC might be for? Another mystery device in the box was a 98028A "Resource Management Multiplexer" that has four DB-15 female connectors and what looks to be a 50-pin harmonica-style connector at the end of a short cable. Cheers, Dan PS At the 'fest I also picked up an HP 9915B (with option 002) along with a 98155A keyboard and three interface cables (two serial and one HP-IB) as well as an HP 82905B printer. I also bought three TI-99/4As and two expansion chassis for them (one new in box and the other populated with floppy disk drives and additional memory).

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Just getting started with a MicroVax 3400

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>>Question: I thought that the hobbyist program had been >>slowed to a ... standstill >> John A. > >...I'm thinking the problem people are having is getting their Encompass >(DECUS) memberships.... > Zane More or less true for me. I have hit the "Register" website twice, first time in February. I must exist there, I got the March "Quadwords" (hardcopy) newsletter, but no response email and no membership number so far. No real problem, since no time to fool with the Hobbyist VAX at the moment, but if I were in a hurry I'd be a little frustrated. But if I were in a hurry I'd probably have called or emailed someone about it, which may work better. - Mark

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Macintosh Network Games

by catman＠dia.net

Hi, cafe.ambrosiasw.com used to have Mac network games. It is no longer available. The link suggests http://www.macledge.com/netgames/netgames/ but that site says "opening again shortly." Hmmm. Is that a long shortly or a short shortly? Yuh can't lurk forever... Greetings to Paul Braun! Steve C. Williston, ND

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IBM 3380 drive pictures

by ip500＠home.com

In case anyone wants to take a look ... I shot a couple of quick pictures of these huge IBM disk drives and stuck them: http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscfront.JPG http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdisccu.JPG http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscback.JPG No good reference for scale, but they are about 4' long X 2' dia and weigh approx 140 pounds [that's not including the motor & belt drive visable in picture 1]. These were mounted as pictured [upright], 2 to a cabinet, the motors were mounted above the drives and ran a 1.5" width belt down to the drive pulley. I can hardly beliefe these are circa 1985! Cheers, Craig

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NEC APC TU001 Memory boards

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

Charlie, I have the small tape reader that attaches to the side of the Model 33. Unused, in the box, yours for the asking (although a swap for something useful is always nice). Contact me off-list. Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles E. Fox [SMTP:foxvideo@wincom.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:53 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: NEC APC TU001 Memory boards > > > > We are trying to get an APC operational, and would like to ask if > > anyone has a couple of the optional memory expansion boards that they > would > part with for a reasonable price? > Also, does anyone know where I could track down a tape punch and > reader for a Model 33 Teletype? > Thanks > Charlie Fox > Chas E. Fox Video Productions > 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor ON N8Y 3J8 > foxvideo(a)wincom.net > Check out: > Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com >

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HP 9845s? (And an original IBM PC.)

by RebelTerry＠home.net

> How did you come to write games for the 9845 anyway? Did you sell them? > It's not exactly the most popular game platform. Well, this friend and I worked at NASA JSC. We were shuttle flight controllers in the early STS days, including STS-1. (You should see my collection of stuff from the first shuttle flight!) In our off hours, we played with the 9845, writing games: lunar landing simulator (which I did rewrite into C++ and still play), submarine search and destroy (which I rewrote and was published by Broderbund Software as "Search and Destroy", car race, solitaire, blackjack, Star Trek, GREAT baseball and 1-on-1 basketball games, and several others. FAR better than anything on the market in the early 80s. (Of course, that's the advantage of having a $70,000 machine at your disposal!) Never sold them. I left NASA in '82 (to come to Boeing) and interviewed an HP rep from Corvallis, showed her all the great stuff. Her response: "Outstanding! How about coming to work for us and writing aero engineer software for wind tunnel testing and such?" No thanks. > And do you have any other fun toys in your collection? I'm being nosy since > we're both in Seattle. Actually, I do have an *original* IBM PC. March 82, 48k motherboard (not the later 64k), SINGLE side 160K floppy, Amdek color monitor. And some games I wrote for that. I'm heartbroken that I threw out my original DOS 1.0 disks/book back in about '84, when DOS 2.1 came out. (I do still have all the 2.1 disks & books.) So, if anyone knows where I could beg, borrow, or steal a DOS 1.0... ;-} BTW, my wife's uncle still has his original IBM PC Jr, complete with chicklet keyboard. Gonna half to try to scam him out of that. > BtW, whenever I try to mail to RebelTerry(a)home.net, I get a message saying > "Relaying denied". I have to use tlb55(a)home.net instead. No idea what's going on there. Relaying bumps usually happen when the sender tries going through the wrong SMTP server. Don't know why the other would work. > P.S. If the BASIC listing uses keywords in optional ROMs, and the working > machine doesn't have those ROMs, what happens when you try to print out the > listing? Good question.... Thanks. RT

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one more test, sorry

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

Fixing my domain name again back to ptloma.edu -- hope this works. Sorry for the inconvenience! -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- TODAY'S DUMB TRUE HEADLINE: Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told ----

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test, sorry

by spectre＠stockholm.floodgap.com

Just making sure this is getting through -- my domain name has changed to floodgap.com (though stockholm.ptloma.edu will still work for some time). -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- The best things in life are sold out. --------------------------------------

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Apple LWPro parallel port?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: M.Buckett <M.Buckett(a)dcs.hull.ac.uk> >> >>For a while I had a parallel port webcam running of a 386sx20 with 4MB> >>of RAM and it ran Windows 95. While it was slow it did get the job >> > >> >The catch with using w95 regardless of speed, it that for many cases its >> >the only game in town if you want network services, ie winsocket etc. >> >> >> Huh? What about linux, freebsd, and friends.? > >Drivers for the webcam (Creative Webcam 1) only really existed for Windows 95. >A linux driver is about on the net but it looks pretty beta. Understood. Though the W95 version sounds beta too. That the biggest problem with W9x systems, apps and drivers (other than the base ones supplied) are often pretty poor. Under Win/NT4 I've had my pain with tape and video drivers plus the usual apps that leak memory. Allison

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Classic Mac Network Games

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Another one I remember is Spectre VR, a now-defunct 3-d tank game that's been around for awhile...I remember that there was a shareware or freeware version that was single-player only, but the commercial version supported many networked players as long as each had a unique serial number registered. Should run fine on just about any color Mac -- it fits on a floppy and is pretty streamlined as 3d games go. Any Hacks N' Cracks database or other decent serial number compilation will have plenty of serial numbers for you to use. Another good one, but probably too processor-intensive for the really old Macs, is Terminal Velocity. Also defunct. This was an easy-to-play flight simulator type game with nice graphics and sound. There's also Marathon, which has been around awhile, but may be again too new for the older machines. It's also a good bit more involved -- probably too hard for very young kids to get into. Good luck, HTH... -- MB

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Quantum support archives gone?

by peter＠joules.org

I just tried to look up a Quantum drive on their site and could not find the archives any more. Certainly the links produced by a Google search for mthe drive are either dead or redirected to their index page. Is this another company which has just decided to remove all of their historic documents or am I looking in the wrong place? -- Regards Pete

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IBM 3380 drive pictures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 2, ip500 wrote: > In case anyone wants to take a look ... I shot a couple of quick > pictures of these huge IBM disk drives and stuck them: > http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscfront.JPG > http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdisccu.JPG > http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscback.JPG > No good reference for scale, but they are about 4' long X 2' dia > and weigh approx 140 pounds [that's not including the motor & belt drive > visable in picture 1]. These were mounted as pictured [upright], 2 to a > cabinet, the motors were mounted above the drives and ran a 1.5" width > belt down to the drive pulley. I can hardly beliefe these are circa > 1985! Wow...that disk is BEEFY. What's the capacity on that beastie again? -Dave McGuire

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More Museum finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Over the last few weeks I have come up with the following finds: 1-Osborn (gray unit) with all the manuals and software that came with it new. I got the original papers it was purchased on 12/24/1982. 2-Apple QuickTake 100 digital camera in the box 3-Dr. DOS 6.0 complete. 4-Four reels of BASF tape - New 5-PB DUO 230 with dock 6-Motorola AlphaMate model N1383A 7-Penware 100 8-PB165 working unit no adapter 9-Multitech Micro-Professor MPF-I brand new unopened box 10-Mac Plus complete working unit donated to me. 11-HP 200LX palmtop PC working unit with lots extra's 12-Two early Mac promotional tapes used by dealers 13-HP 9100-5124 adapter 14-Core memory card, a really great find The other is not close to 10 years old yet so I will list it another time. Keep on computing John Keys

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Mobo Question

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >I have a Packard Bell setup and an HP, both of which use an EISA bridge >(according to the signon) and EISA-looking riser card, at right angles in the >case of the PB and parallel to the really small lower card in the HP. Both have >ISA expansion and PCI as well, and both have video, etc. (all the usual mobo >stuff) on the lower board. Could be but since its a slim lince case even if it were EISA it would have to be shorter in height. Most of the boxen that require the 120 or so pin card do it for mechancical reasons and the busses can be ISA, EISA, and the AT&T I have has ISA, EISA and even PCI on the right angle card! Allison > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:22 PM >Subject: Re: Mobo Question > > >> From: Lanny Cox <chronic(a)nf.sympatico.ca> >> >> >> >It's about 2 1/2 times bigger than a PCI slot, as i originally >> mentioned. It >> >looks a lot like an ISA port (ISA style connectors and black casing), >> but is >> >a lot bigger. There's only one connector on the mobo, which does support >> the >> >riser card theory. Luckily, the system has onboard video, serial and >> >parallel ports, etc. so it won't be so bad. >> >> >> Thats the case. Most pizza boxen that are under 5" high have to mount the >> card >> horizontally so the do the 120 pin connector and riser with the cards >> plugging into >> the riser sideways. >> >> I have a AT&T P100, Dell 486DX and Dell 386sx/16 all using risers like >> that. >> >> Allison >> >> >

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Age-old ethernet equipment

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 28, 2:47, Iggy Drougge wrote: > This weekend, along with a batch of PS/2s, I received a 3Com 3c588 1988 > vintage MultiConnect Repeater. It's a 19" case with space for sixteen cards. > Mine features one card indicating power with a green LED as well as a DB-9 > female connector, then fourteen cards equipped with a BNC connector, an > activity led, one partition LED and a partition/reset switch each. > Whenever a card is connected to a 10b2 network, the partition light (which > otherwise emits a steady red light) begins to flicker. Upon flicking the > switch into reset mode, the partition light goes out. The network works fine > as long as there is no partitioning. I suppose its purpose is to not leak > traffic between several networks. Not quite. "Partitioning" is network jargon for disconnecting a port or segment. If there's no terminator, the transceiver will behave as though continually detecting collisions, and the repeater will automatically disconnect ("partition") that transceiver from the rest. The red LED lights up to tell you it has done so. It won't self-reset because if it really were connected to a faulty network segment, it might end up going in and out of operation. > What is the purpose of the DB-9 connector? I'm not familiar with this particular repeater, but I imagine it's a serial port for management and setup. Modern 3Com equipment has a serial port wired to the same (non)standard as PC 9-pin ports, but that one may not be wired in the normal way. It may also do auto-baud-rate detection, and it probably won't emit anything until it receives a couple of carriage returns. My old SynOptics 2813 hubs have a DA9 as well, and it's some odd connection for a modem (they also have a DB25 whichj is a normal serial port). I'd pull the card and see if anything on it gives you any clues. > Could this repeater slow a network down? Unlikely. You can get different cards for those repeaters -- 10baseT, 10base2, 10base5/AUI, and the 10baseT cards have 3 ports each. 3Com wouldn't have done that if it were going to significantly impact bandwidth. It's basically just a buffer; it doesn't process the data passing through like a switch does. Any intelligence in it is just for monitoring and setup (partitioning, etc). Another thing you could try is snooping on the network packets (if you have snoop, tcpdump, or similar) to see if the repeater emits any packets when it first powers up. It might be trying to BOOTP to get an IP address, and if you give it one, you can probably telnet to it and look at the setup. It probably needs a password, though. > What does partitioning actually entail? See above. Some more modern 3Com hubs also have the capability to split the unit into segments (eg, the SuperStack II PS 40 hubs and others can have 4 segments) but assigning ports to different segments isn't usually called partitioning. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Amiga questions

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

hi, >>It's true. In general, IDE tends to be a fairly raw interface, although as >>machines have evolved, it's not as raw as back in the 386 days. > >It's worth pointing out that the A4000 was buffered, though. There are >buffered IDE multiplexers abvailable so that one might add four ATAPI devices >at once. I've got an unbuffered one on the 4000, though I've since removed the >three sub-gigabyte drives with a single bigger one. Someone said that some people have fried unbuffered amigas by trying to fit CDROM drives to them - the current draw is bigger and cooks the CPU. That may well be myth though - surely the IDE spec says things about current limitations as well as protocol? (although I don't doubt that there are one or two bad drives out there) Oh, I fell foul to ebay - that A3000's almost tripled in value over the weekend. Think I'll give it a miss in future (first time I've tried ebay)... rather wait for something to turn up where I know what the asking price is! (fair dues on the A3000 though, it did seem like a bargain at the original price given how loaded up it seemed to be - I got fed up dealing with inherent web time delays though and got bored bidding on Friday) I think I'll keep scouring local ads and loot for a 1200 or something... > There is a free NFS server port on Aminet, > http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/aminet/comm/tcp/nfsd_bin991130.lha > I'd probably go with that in a UNIX environment, though it seems to have a > tendency to fluctuate in speed a lot. I suspect this has got something to do > with the virtual inode which it goes about creating, but suddenly performance > drops a whole lot and drive activity gets quite intense. well as long as something works :-) Back when I used to use the A500 a lot I used to have to boot a PC XT emulator and copy files via floppy that way - it was really quite painful! (Can't remember the name of the emulator now) > BTW, I got my first Speccy today! Can't wait to see if it's a 48K or 16K > version. Now I only have to get one of those cassette recorders. =) now you're talking! The best computer ever... :-) Hopefully it's a 48K, I don't think much will run on the 16K version, they never were that popular. Ahh, the days of interfaces falling out of the back of the machine, constantly tweaking tape head alignment to get anything to load, broken keyboard membranes etc. etc. ;) cheers for the help, Jules

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Classic Mac Network Games

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Re: Spaceward Ho, Friends and I have been playing that in a big group annually for > 10 years. My Mac Plus has participated in *every* annual Ho-a-thon, and is still my preferred Ho machine (though I switch to the PB3400 when we switch to Marathon!). Info and order at http://www.delatao.com/ho/index.html I'll be happy to answer more questions about it off-list. Strongly recommended. There's a demo at that website. Also: Armor Alley. I think this is not sold, not available freeware/shareware, just deceased. That is a *real* shame, it was a *good* game. Only up to 4 players though. - Mark

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Status Register 4-95

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

More interesting CSG stuff... http://www.cucug.org/sr/sr9504.html <<Status Register 4-95.url>>

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Interesting Commodore CSG info

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

A quick follow-up: It also appears that GMT Microelectronics, the group of CSG people that in 1994 purchased the CSG operation from the failed Commodore have themselves failed or were purchased. Their Web site is dormant and in February someone purchased the domain name. Their phone numbers are "busy." Any info on this? Rich

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Interesting Commodore CSG info

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I came across this link at the EPA about Commodore CSG. Not unexpected, but interesting none the less. http://www.epa.gov/reg3hwmd/super/commodor/menu.htm Rich

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Classic Mac Network Games

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

--- Mike Ford wrote: I also strongly recommend doing what I do, BUY old software and use legal copies. What you "do" teaches kids more than what you" say", and running a lot of bootleg software (except for MS products) gives the wrong message. Showing that a bunch of old computers can still be a LOT of fun is the RIGHT message. --- end of quote --- Thank you for the morality lesson. However, when games are defunct and the software companies no longer exist, I don't see a piracy issue with using those programs freely. Or perhaps I should tear down my Lisa software FTP server? I was not advocating ripping off commercial software, and I rather resent that implication. If the makers of Spectre VR are still around and still selling/supporting their older stuff, I'll happily send in my payment. I doubt that they are, but it would be easy to find out and act accordingly. If they're NOT around or are no longer supporting their program, then they have nothing to lose by your using it freely. They've already made their money and moved on. As a semi-parallel, Penguin Classics are re-releases of classic literature sold for about $2 each because the copyrights and/or royalty requirements have expired over time. I view ancient software similarly (and yes, I would pay a token fee like $2 for an old game, if there were anyone left to take the money). Your classic Mac might as well be a boat anchor if you can't run something on it. -- MB

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Looking For MC6800 Site

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Owen Robertson wrote (in private e-mail to me): > Well, I was hoping to find diagrams of a simple system someone else had > created, so that I could study it and get ideas. I was also looking for > information on address decoding circuitry. The information I have is likely to be at the chip level rather than the board level. But I'll see what I can do. I'm replying to the list because private mail to your From: address (univac at earthlink dot net) keeps bouncing. -- Derek

25 years, 3 months

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Apple LWPro parallel port?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 2, 7:36, Bryan Pope wrote: > > > > The thing is, Microsoft's memory recommendations tend to be the minimum the > > OS will function correctly. Remember the minimum requirements for win95 were > > a 386sx16 and 4 megs of ram. I'm told it will *boot* in that, if you're > > patient. But do useful work? Ha. > > > I can confirm that it will boot... I did tech support for this person > who had just such a beast. It took about 10 minutes to boot. The poor hard > drive just kept grinding away the whole time. And this machine was used to > take care of their accounting. I can second that -- I recently gave a friend a little compaq portable (I'd hestitate to call it a laptop!) which is a 386sx16. i tohught it had 2MB of RAM, but maybe it was 4MB -- anyway, it does boot, but it takes longer than 10 minutes. It takes even longer than that to boot linux! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years, 3 months

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Reformat RA81/82?

by greg＠ciswired.com

Can RA81/82 disks be reformatted in the field? If so, is this done through XXDP or is there a way to do it from the disk's serial port? My RA82 occasionally lights its FAULT light and extinguishes its ready light during write operations. The likelyhood of it faulting appears (but I am not certain) to be correlated with a specific region of the disk. About five-ten seconds after the fault, the FAULT indicator turns off and ready comes back on. At no time is an I/O error generated that the application or the operating system (2.11BSD) see so this fault appears to be transient and is resolved by either the drive or the drive/controller together. It "smells" like a data write error that's resolved after a few automatic retries. I'm hoping a low-level reformat could clear it up. Am I wacked out? If there's an XXDP exerciser/formatter available I'd appreciate it if someone could point me there. It's been nearly twenty years since the last time I even tried running XXDP Thanks as always, greg p.s. The RA81 drive on the same controller never gives any trouble (yet). I've tried some more basic things like swapping SDI cables and drive ports but it doesn't make a difference. Gregory Travis Cornerstone Information Systems ATS greg(a)ciswired.com 812 330 4361 ext. 18

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FastPath (was Re: OT: Apple LWPro parallel port?)

by phil＠ultimate.com

> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:09:49 -0800 > From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > > Got any FastPath docs? I do, plus, I was software lead on the FastPath at Shiva in the early 90s. I did the FastPath 4+ and FastPath 5. -phil

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Need help in figuring out what to bid on DEC

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hi; I have run across a lot of DEC that is available at a Government agency that is available for negotiated sale. Unfortunately, there are some units I know little about. Since it is the government there are complications with the hard drives that I will mention after the list. The lot is; one Microvax II in a BA123 cabinet two VAX 4000/200s small square floor towers one VAX 4000/100 Desktop two DEC 2000 AXP one DEC PC AXP 150 one DEC 486 PC one DEC Storage works small drive tower w/o drives one CD tower with 3 or 4 CD drives in it, I think DEC mfg. but not sure. The limitations are no keyboards, mice or monitors. Otherwise the equipment seems complete. I will not have the opportunity to list boards, drives, etc. It is supposed to be working equipment. I was told by the property manager that the drives will have to be removed, or if I wanted the drives they would have to be erased to his satisfaction. No Government software can get out of the agency. Does anyone know how to clean the drives in situ given the limitations. I could probably scrounge up a terminal but I don't have one easily accessible. Not to mention I have no experience in reformatting vaxes. Would a honking big magnet trash the drives? If I can't clean the drives they will keep them. What I really need is an idea of the value of the units. It has to be more than scrap otherwise they will go for recycling. They have a contract with a scrap recycler that lets them deduct the value of the machines from their budget if they go to this recycler so it is too their advantage to recycle them. However the Property manager likes me and is willing to help if I can satisfy his requirements. I have little interest in keeping them so they would be offered to the list first. If you want to make an offer on any please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com. Speculation of their value on list is OK by me if it is OK with the listmembers. What are the AXP units? I have no idea what AXP means or what processors are in them? Thanks for the help. Paxton Portland, Oregon

25 years, 3 months

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Bring on the EISA mafia!

by optimus＠canit.se

For some reason, I've been encountering a lot of EISA systems recently. It doesn't seem like such a nice bus, much like MCA, but at least in theory, it beats ISA. What bothers me, though, is the fact that there doesn't seem to be any central repository for the configuration files needed, unlike MCA adaptor description files, which have been neatly collected by Peter Wendt et al. Despite much googling, I've been unable to find drivers for my Netflex-2 ethernet card, and finding one for my NE3200 proved to be a real struggle as well. What a bother. Does anyone have any EISA links to recommend, or the configuration file for the Netflex-2? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. A Spanish MSX Group "Matra" visited to this Fair. I lent Spanish stand to them. They showed and did Promotion play of SEX BOMB BUNNY. And this Game has tema song of Majingar-Z! Why they know Japanese TV animation? K. Ikeda, MSX-Print

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Classic MAC "network" games?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

I am sending off a bunch of compact MACs to the "familly compound" where we have our many familly holiday gatherings. I had accumulated over 30 of these, mostly Classics and Classic IIs. We end up with a bunch of kids there (ages 4 to14) and I would like to hook up some MACs together and get them running some sort of head to head games...Since these are small and compact they will be fine for the kids and 4 or 6 of these will not take up more than a large table...I am doing some spring cleaning in the collection so... I was not into games when these were popular so...anybody remember any good titles that could be played head-to-head on these? Thanks Claude

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Apple LWPro parallel port?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> >>For a while I had a parallel port webcam running of a 386sx20 with 4MB >>of RAM and it ran Windows 95. While it was slow it did get the job > >The catch with using w95 regardless of speed, it that for many cases its >the only game in town if you want network services, ie winsocket etc. Huh? What about linux, freebsd, and friends.? Allison

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Bring on the EISA mafia!

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 01:16 02-04-2001 -0400, Bear wrote: >They're just text. Part of the specification for a .cfg is that it have a >descriptive name in it. > >Like this sample excerpt from !bus4201.cfg: <snip> Yes, all true. However, the design of the descriptor was left up to the manufacturer. Compaq chose to put 'CPQ' in the front part of all their .CFG filenames, and a four-digit number following it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

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Today only ...

by spectre＠stockholm.floodgap.com

Today only ... http://lowendmac.com/high/ -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- If a seagull flies over the sea, what flies over the bay? ------------------

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