2 Apr
2001
2 Apr
'01
3:17 a.m.
--- Mike Ford wrote:
I also strongly recommend doing what I do, BUY old software and use legal
copies. What you "do" teaches kids more than what you" say", and
running a
lot of bootleg software (except for MS products) gives the wrong message.
Showing that a bunch of old computers can still be a LOT of fun is the
RIGHT message.
--- end of quote ---
Thank you for the morality lesson. However, when games are defunct and the software
companies no longer exist, I don't see a piracy issue with using those programs
freely. Or perhaps I should tear down my Lisa software FTP server? I was not advocating
ripping off commercial software, and I rather resent that implication.
If the makers of Spectre VR are still around and still selling/supporting their older
stuff, I'll happily send in my payment. I doubt that they are, but it would be easy to
find out and act accordingly. If they're NOT around or are no longer supporting their
program, then they have nothing to lose by your using it freely. They've already made
their money and moved on.
As a semi-parallel, Penguin Classics are re-releases of classic literature sold for about
$2 each because the copyrights and/or royalty requirements have expired over time. I view
ancient software similarly (and yes, I would pay a token fee like $2 for an old game, if
there were anyone left to take the money). Your classic Mac might as well be a boat anchor
if you can't run something on it.
-- MB
2 Apr
2 Apr
3:45 a.m.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I get so tired of reading complaints
about piracy with respect to unsupported and unavailable software. It's nice
to
see that not everyone is afraid to stand up and challenge such mindless
legalism.
With respect to the Penguin books, such a thing would be possible with
software today, were it not for the fact that copyrights for computer
software
are, for all intents and purposes, eternal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Bates" <Marion.Bates(a)dartmouth.edu>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Classic Mac Network Games
--- Mike Ford wrote:
I also strongly recommend doing what I do, BUY old software and use legal
copies. What you "do" teaches kids more than what you" say", and
running a
lot of bootleg software (except for MS products) gives the wrong message.
Showing that a bunch of old computers can still be a LOT of fun is the
RIGHT message.
--- end of quote ---
Thank you for the morality lesson. However, when games are defunct and the
software
companies no longer exist, I don't see a piracy issue with using
those programs freely. Or perhaps I should tear down my Lisa software FTP
server? I was not advocating ripping off commercial software, and I rather
resent that implication.
If the makers of Spectre VR are still around and still selling/supporting
their
older stuff, I'll happily send in my payment. I doubt that they are,
but it would be easy to find out and act accordingly. If they're NOT around
or are no longer supporting their program, then they have nothing to lose by
your using it freely. They've already made their money and moved on.
As a semi-parallel, Penguin Classics are re-releases of classic literature
sold for
about $2 each because the copyrights and/or royalty requirements
have expired over time. I view ancient software similarly (and yes, I would
pay a token fee like $2 for an old game, if there were anyone left to take
the money). Your classic Mac might as well be a boat anchor if you can't run
something on it.
-- MB
3:53 a.m.
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Michael Passer wrote:
With respect to the Penguin books, such a thing would
be possible with
software today, were it not for the fact that copyrights for computer
software are, for all intents and purposes, eternal.
Perhaps, but in this case, I think the best thing to do is to have one big
defunct software repository up on the net somewhere and let people have at
it for free. Avoids piracy issues if the rights holder suddenly turns up
and demands their software be removed.
Many sites exist to dispense defunct software, but they still operate on
the fringe due to zealots.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
4:27 a.m.
At 11:17 AM 4/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
If the makers of Spectre VR are still around and still
selling/supporting their older stuff, I'll happily send in my payment. I doubt that
they are, but it would be easy to find out and act accordingly. If they're NOT around
or are no longer supporting their program, then they have nothing to lose by your using it
freely. They've already made their money and moved on.
OK, ask Moses:
http://www.ideafactory.com/idea_factory_moses.html
- John
5:46 a.m.
If the makers of Spectre VR are still around and still
selling/supporting
their older stuff, I'll happily send in my payment. I doubt that they
are, but it would be easy to find out and act accordingly. If they're NOT
around or are no longer supporting their program, then they have nothing
to lose by your using it freely. They've already made their money and
moved on.
In that vein, one particularly excellent old game that _can_ still be
purchased in its original format is Dark Castle <http://www.deltatao.com/
darkcastle.html>. Delta Tao sells its Color Dark Castle for $32. For an
additional $5 one can upgrade* to the original black and white Silicon
Beach version.
It's not networkable, but it is a superb game.
Tom
*My word, not theirs. :-)
Applefritter
www.applefritter.com
6:27 a.m.
In that vein, one particularly excellent old game that _can_ still be
purchased in its original format is Dark Castle <http://www.deltatao.com/
darkcastle.html>. Delta Tao sells its Color Dark Castle for $32. For an
additional $5 one can upgrade* to the original black and white Silicon
Beach version.
Are you talking about the game where you run around a castle throwing rocks
at birds, rats and bats? The one with *great* sampled sounds?!
*My word, not theirs. :-)
Sometimes the classics are better in black and white? :-)
Bryan
7:15 a.m.
In that vein,
one particularly excellent old game that _can_ still be
purchased in its original format is Dark Castle <http://www.deltatao.com/
darkcastle.html>. Delta Tao sells its Color Dark Castle for $32. For an
additional $5 one can upgrade* to the original black and white Silicon
Beach version.
Are you talking about the game where you run around a castle throwing rocks
at birds, rats and bats? The one with *great* sampled sounds?! *My word, not
theirs. :-)
Sometimes the classics are better in black and white? :-)
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