- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I have one with the SCSI/com card. There is also Uzi unix for the SB180, on the www.psyber.com/~tcj site. Allison -----Original Message----- From: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: ClassiComp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: SB-180? > I've been talking to another SB-180 owner and it's rekindled my interest >in them. I'm wondering how many other SB-180 owners there are on the >list? Does anyone have any interesting stories to tell about them? > > Joe >

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Blackhole and Black Hardware

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>I'm seriously considering purchasing a full system from these folks, but >I've never twiddled with NextStep/Openstep before. Is there much software >out there for NeXT hardware? Ron's a good guy. I've dealt with him on a number of occasions and he's pretty knowledgable about the NeXT systems. As for the software, there are a number of CD's, including one called Nebula, that has quite a selection of software for the OS. I believe that Black Hole sells some of them as well. Jeff

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SCSI or Voodoo? (also, NeXT hd travails)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>From: jpero(a)sympatico.ca >> From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> >>.... >> you'll need to use FWB or another 3rd party HD toolkit, apple's HD >> formatter won't work with that drive. >> >... >Begin searching for the HD SC 7.3.5 formatter patch info, it will >detail how to manually patch it with free editor also from apple too. >The mod is only a hex and easy to find to mod on. >... >Wizard The URL's I found on http://euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html were a little out of date - but starting with ftp.apple.com and using "English-NorthAmerican" instead of "US" I got there. There may be other pointers. Have not tried out the patched version yet. I love this list. I actually needed this info today - and here it is! Thanks, Wizard! NeXT problem - got an IBM DPES-31080 off of ebay (mea culpa, perhaps I deserve the consequences). I can hook it up and it is recognized by the NeXT SCSI bus [1] as a "COMPAQPCDPES31080", so it's not totally dead. Unfortunately the first thing I did to it was run sdform. Sdform completed normally, didn't complain. Then tried to run "disk" to change the label and put a boot block in. I can read the label and change what "disk" sees as the label, but when I do that, or anything else, I get a lot of messsages that say sd1: incomplete disk transfer: bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry 1 I tried format from the "disk" interactive list. No complaints. Back to write label, or init, or any of the other options - same error message. Gave the drive to the local support desk - they "formatted" it no problems on a WinNT machine. I have an email out to them to ask whether they actually initialized it after that or not. Interestingly, they report the DPES has a different label than what I put on it and what my copy of "disk" still reports for it. Next thing I'll do, barring any better suggestions, is pop it into a Power Mac 8500 in a lab here and play with it using patched HD SC 7.3.5 (see above). Suggestions solicited and welcome. The drive is at home today, will be back in the office with the tools tomorrow. - Mark [1] But not always. It's not recognized, whether its active termination is on or not, if it's the only drive on the SCSI chain. It is recognized in an external case with one other drive and with one internal drive, and it's recognized if it's on the internal bus with the other internal drive. Not if it's internal alone. Have not tried it external alone.

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Interesting web page on VAXen

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I ran across this page whilst surfing... http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/vax1.html Basically, it's Dennis Ritchies notes from their first meeiting with DEC on the VAX 11/780... Classic quote: They talked some about software. It was rather depressing. Most of it will be emulated. (Presumably in a 2MB machine you will still have to tell the assembler how big a symbol table to use.) The system itself will be new, but unimaginative. They did not seem to understand, for example, why or even how the command interpreter should be a separate process and not in the system, and why commands themselves should be processes. They are also still stuck mostly in assembly language. There are companies that are learning about how to write software, but DEC is evidently not one of them. Guess what OS their talking about :) clint

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Blackhole and Black Hardware

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

Yeah... I suspect there's one or two truly strange hippies in a warehouse somewhere in Colorado running this place. Think Jim & Malvin from WarGames + a few years and drugs. I smell one hell of a sitcom brewing. I'm seriously considering purchasing a full system from these folks, but I've never twiddled with NextStep/Openstep before. Is there much software out there for NeXT hardware? -carl Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.co To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org m> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Seeking NeXT slab disk owner-classiccmp@clas bracket siccmp.org 06/04/01 09:16 AM Please respond to classiccmp Thanks. Goofy web page, but I ordered one. -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Building a new COSMAC Elf

by bob＠jfcl.com

I have some RCA COSMAC 18xx family parts, two 1802 and one 1806 CPUs, an 1861 PIXIE video (!!), a 1854 UART, and a few assorted support chips. I've decided that the best use for them would be to build an updated Elf (I also built the original Elf 25 years ago and have always had a soft spot for the 1802). What software is out there that can run on the COSMAC? Does anybody have a copy of Tiny BASIC or figForth for the 1802? I have the original Popular Electronics Elf articles, but I'd like to have a look at the schematics for the Quest or Netronics Elf versions too. Does anybody have copies that they can share? BTW, I have schematics and ROM listings for the original RCA VIP (CDP18S711), RCA COSMAC Evaluation Kit (CDP18S020, including UT4) and the COSMAC Microboard (CDP18S604), if anybody needs those. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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Seeking NeXT slab disk bracket

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

I am looking for a couple of these also, as well as non-ADB NeXT mouses. Thanks, Arlen Michaels > -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [SMTP:ethan_dicks@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:02 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Seeking NeXT slab disk bracket > > > OK... so I have this NeXT slab (25 Mhz '040), I have some 30-pin SIMMs, > and > I have a 4Gb SCSI drive. I even have software. What I don't have is a > bracket for the internal hard drive. Someone brought one to lunch today, > and it appears to have a couple of feet that clip on to the edge of the > case, > and one screw hole on the other side. > > Is there a place I can get a proper drive bracket? I suppose I can make > my > own, but I'm not sure it will stay put on the non-screwed-in end. > > Thanks, > > -ethan > > > ===== > Visit "The Seventh Continent" > http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Seeking NeXT slab disk bracket

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

Black Hole Inc has them for $5. http://www.blackholeinc.com/specials/blackhardware.shtml -carl Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.co To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org m> cc: Sent by: Subject: Seeking NeXT slab disk bracket owner-classiccmp@clas siccmp.org 06/01/01 04:01 PM Please respond to classiccmp OK... so I have this NeXT slab (25 Mhz '040), I have some 30-pin SIMMs, and I have a 4Gb SCSI drive. I even have software. What I don't have is a bracket for the internal hard drive. Someone brought one to lunch today, and it appears to have a couple of feet that clip on to the edge of the case, and one screw hole on the other side. Is there a place I can get a proper drive bracket? I suppose I can make my own, but I'm not sure it will stay put on the non-screwed-in end. Thanks, -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Q-bus protoboard

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

Does anyone know where Q-bus protoboards can be found? -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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on subject line

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>You need an Amiga as a one stop solution. It's definitely classic, but >fully capable to 21st century standards. And the OS normally >impresses mini and mainframe freaks with it's economy, elegance and power. One of these days I'll get another big box Amiga. I've always regretted getting rid of mine. I couldn't afford the PPC upgrades though and the stock CPU was no longer cutting it. Jeff

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on subject line

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>The anti MUI movement was some sort of hysteria whereby someone >screamed wolf and the sheep all galloped over the cliff. To me it >seems as if people were to go about bragging that they were eschewing >four-wheel-braking on their car. One of the things I remember about MUI was that it did slow down the system a little. Not a big deal when I was on an A4000 but it was noticable on my A3000. Both were using the same graphics card (GVP Spectrum) and had roughly the same amount of RAM. The main difference was the processor speed. For that reason, I liked apps that didn't use it, but I did use it when I needed to. Such was the case with YAM...there just wasn't anything else comparable. I used it with Miami, Aweb and Amirc. Jeff

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Lisas

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:31:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > Subject: RE: WOW!R@RE!L@@K > > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Adrian Graham wrote: > > Are you sure there were 80K Lisa 1's sold? Wouldn't that be the number > for the entire run of Lisa's sold in total? Ta Sellam - according to my own notes only 10K Lisa 1's were sold, 80K was roughly the number of Lisa 2/Mac XLs sold...... Losing your job has a fun effect on your brainpower :) Still, I got a Sinclair ZX80 power supply for one english pound last weekend so I'm not complaining! cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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Unisys "Micro A"

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 3, Eric Dittman wrote: > Lucky! I'd love to have a P/390 PCI card. Until I > find one I guess I've just have to stick with Hercules. Wazzat? -Dave McGuire

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SB-180?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I've been talking to another SB-180 owner and it's rekindled my interest in them. I'm wondering how many other SB-180 owners there are on the list? Does anyone have any interesting stories to tell about them? Joe

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Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 2, Chuck McManis wrote: > I'm guessing it is these two. I don't know what mail client Allison uses > but perhaps when it sees the request for the 'x-user-defined' character set > it freaks. Most MIME clients put ISO_LATIN1 there and they are not bothersome. > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This reminds me yet again of a what a _wonderful_ hack to Majordomo, > Listserve, or what ever that would take the message submission and > _reformat it_ into plain text regardless of how it was sent. Then send it > to the list that way (and strip off attachments etc) That is the kind of > list I want to subscribe to because even when a newbie screws up (and > Marvin isn't one, he just has some interesting headers) no one suffers. I would love something like this. Anyone know of a majordomo hack (or another package) that does this? -Dave McGuire

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Thinking and work (was: Lisas)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 08:13 PM 6/3/01 +1000, you wrote: >I've got an HP 712/80 here with HPUX 10.20 (I think - I do have HPUX 11 >media here, but I've not yet plugged in a CD-ROM to install it). > >What sort of RAM does this thing take? I'm pretty sure it's nothing as >standard as normal SIMMS. IIRC, 72-pin ECC. Same stuff as used in 9000-Ex5 / 3000-9x8. Not sure if you can use generic, but I think I might have tried memory from older PC Netservers and it worked.

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SB-180?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >as I would like. FWIW Dual 80 track floppy drives, 256k memory and 32 (I >think) Mb hard drive. Quite a nice machine for playing with CPM. Yes it are. > Does anyone know what's involved in adding the speech option? Also can No. >this run four 3 1/2"/5 1/4" floppy drives AND four 8" drives or only a >total of 4 drives? The manual is vague. My guess is that only a total of >four floppy drives are allowed. 4 drives max and switching from 3.5/5.25 to 8" requires a jumper, running mixed if memory serves is not easily doable. Allison

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Digest #618

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I dont know, I have 533 hours uptime on this NT box and that was because a power failure interrupted a 1200hour run. then again I don't run Office{insert broken version} and I ten to drop kick any app that even burps and replace it. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Graham <witchy(a)vorbis.demon.co.uk> To: Classiccmp@Classiccmp. Org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Digest #618 >Before I reboot this frickin' machine *again* and try to reply to digest 618 >about Lisas and mail readers and such I'd just like to ask the panel what >they think about being able to leave a pretty standard machine switched on >for *3 days* and watch micro$oft stuff fail time and time again while >Macromedia apps keep working.... > >Completely bloody off topic, I'll admit, but a right pain in the arse too. > >cheers > >adrian/witchy >www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum >0:OK, 0:1 >

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Can anyone help with a ICS Remote Monitor and Control Unit?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Can anyone give me any information about the unit above? It's made by ICS Electronics Corporation and it's a model 2351. It looks like it's made to receive serial data commands to auctuate relays and sense digital inputs. One port on the back in marked "Local Term" and two other 50 connectors marked "Digital Inputs and Relay Outputs". It looks like it might be fun to play with if I can get it working. ICS won't help. They say that it's too old. (I'll remember that next time my company wants to order something from them!) Joe

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on subject line

by fmc＠reanimators.org

John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote (after me): > >BTW, the [classiccmp] thing was tried, hated (I told my mail reader to > >strip the tag from the displayed subjects so I wouldn't have to look > >at it; other people squawked), and turned off. > > Are there e-mail readers that can filter on subject line > but not on the contents of the "from" line? Probably so, but that's not my problem because I don't use them. If it's your problem, maybe you ought to try to do something about it, like bothering the vendor or finding a different e-mail reader that actually does the sort of filtering you need done. And yes, I've got a strong opinion about this. Your computer and its software are tools; if they're not doing what you need done, maybe you need to figure out what you need done and go find tools that do those things, or go harangue the makers of your tools 'til they come up with new tools that do those things, or make new tools that do those things. -Frank McConnell

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[classiccmp] on subject line

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On June 3, 3:03, Brian Chase wrote: > > And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs and > Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) We're not -- at least, I'm not. This mail client is running on a ten-year old SGI. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Unisys "Micro A"

by allain＠panix.com

Unisys "Micro A" Anybody know about such a system? I took in a stray cat system a few months ago, started parting it out, saw something interesting, then put it all back together again. Today I booted it up (fits on 15A, hurrah!) and determined the following: Base system: Intel mobo w/8MB (** 80386, sorry **) Adaptec SCSI OS/2 on SCSI disk internal SCSI tape (QIC) external SCSI tape (DAT) VGA card Add-Ons: Unisys "Micro A" CPU card (perhaps DC113) daughter memory card two multiplexed serial cards Another Adaptec SCSI card, apparently for the Uni half of the system. Another Internal SCSI drive two external drives Surprized it actually does stuff. The "Micro A" system is controlled by three OS/2 Apps: Admin, ODT 1, and SCS (System Control Subsystem) (nice name) (huh?). ODT 1 is a cryptic CLI system, SCS is a boot console for the HW Anybody got any beans to spill on this? is it just a big printer controller? I noticed the Micro A is apparently microcontrolled. What was it sold for? John A.

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SB-180?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

I have one, but it hasn't seen the outside of the box it is in in quite some time... --tom At 03:58 PM 6/3/01 -0400, you wrote: > I've been talking to another SB-180 owner and it's rekindled my interest >in them. I'm wondering how many other SB-180 owners there are on the >list? Does anyone have any interesting stories to tell about them? > > Joe > > >

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Digest #618

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

Before I reboot this frickin' machine *again* and try to reply to digest 618 about Lisas and mail readers and such I'd just like to ask the panel what they think about being able to leave a pretty standard machine switched on for *3 days* and watch micro$oft stuff fail time and time again while Macromedia apps keep working.... Completely bloody off topic, I'll admit, but a right pain in the arse too. cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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on subject line

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: > Is it possible for the mailing list software used for this list to > prepend something like "[classiccmp]" to the subject lines for all of > the messages on this list like many other mailing lists have? Since > this is a somewhat high volume list, it would make it a heck of a lot > easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-) Here's how I told procmail to pick off mail sent to me through this list: * ^Sender:.*owner-classiccmp@classiccmp\.org Maybe that will help you come up with a somewhat less intrusive filter that works for you. BTW, the [classiccmp] thing was tried, hated (I told my mail reader to strip the tag from the displayed subjects so I wouldn't have to look at it; other people squawked), and turned off. -Frank McConnell

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Problems with posts? (was: Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 2, Frank McConnell wrote: > Allison is using Microsoft Outlook Express. I don't know what she can > do about this at her end, but I would probably be inspired to do > something with one or more of a hammer, pliers, a soldering iron, and > FreeBSD CDs. Yup...newfs is the one magical program that can solve all of Windows' problems. -Dave McGuire

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C64/Vic20 Books - get them before I trash them

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi again from Montreal Well these books are going to garbage (tommorow) if no takers, there are all pretty much from 1983 and such... Micro Wars on the Commodore 64 More than 32 Basic Programs for the Commodore64 Computer (no disk - could be somewhere around here) The Users Guide to Commodore 64 & Vic 20 computers, software and peripherals (By the editors of Consumer Guide) Claude See more of the stuff I have to giveaway/trade: http://computer_collector.tripod.com or http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/

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Fw: how to i leave this group?

by jamie＠rbattison.freeserve.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie <jamie(a)rbattison.freeserve.co.uk> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: how to i leave this group? > >

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Need help :) MicroVax-II

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> >I just inherited a pair of MV-II . they are mostly complete, I seem to be >missing the console serial adaptor with the switches for one of them... >also does anyone have a MV-II ethernet board? or any other interesting You need a DEQNA (old board but works) or DELQA newer board. >MV-II boards :) I'd love to get these up and running. I got a SCSI card >fo unknown manufacture (haven't id'd it yet) and am hoping to get this >beastie up and running soon :) what OS can I run on it??? VMS is the primary OS, most any version and Ultrix (dec unix) then there is NetBSD if you can get around the media problem for initial install. FYI: you really need a tk50 or TK70 tape or compatable CDrom as those are the to most likely non networked transport medias. Allison

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Need help :) MicroVax-II

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

I just inherited a pair of MV-II . they are mostly complete, I seem to be missing the console serial adaptor with the switches for one of them... also does anyone have a MV-II ethernet board? or any other interesting MV-II boards :) I'd love to get these up and running. I got a SCSI card fo unknown manufacture (haven't id'd it yet) and am hoping to get this beastie up and running soon :) what OS can I run on it???

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[classiccmp] on subject line

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Sun, 3 Jun 2001 3:03:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com> writes: << On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs and Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) -brian. >> I would be embarassed as well except right now the only email account I have access to is AOL.. At least I read my mail through Linux and AOL's webmail - no M$ :-) -Linc.

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booting from RQDX3

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jonathan Engdahl <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> > Why are you bothering with an old PDP-11/23? There are much faster > systems that are readily available and since you have ONLY four serial > channels (I presume that you are using an M8043/DLV11-J module), > why would you not switch to a faster, more capable system? Well, faster than what and more capable thant what? >I'd be willing to trade an 11/23 system for a Qbus SCSI card that will work >with 2.11BSD on the 11/53. But I'm getting ahead of myself -- I'm not ready Good luck as far as I know 2.11 didn't have native support for SCSI. Not to say you couldn't write your own driver. However when 2.11 was current SCSI was still called SASI and likely not found on most PDP-11s. Allison

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'm using OE (outlook express) it sees it as likely RTF not HTML. HTML is something PINE dislikes but RTF or other MIME types are possible. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps >On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, ajp166 wrote: > >> I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Stop with the funky font shit! > >Allison, what e-mail reader are you using? I'm using PINE, and if there >is any HTML encoding in the message, I would see it. But I don't see >anything coming from any of Marvin's postings, so I'm trying to figure out >what you're getting on your end. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps >> >> >> > >> > >> >Sellam Ismail wrote: >> > >> >> I recommend: >> >> >> >> Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine) >> >> Hackers (Levy) >> >> The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz) >> > >> >I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at >> >http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A >> most >> >interesting book! Some of these books are getting a bit harder to find >> on >> >the streets. >> > > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org >

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Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

When I view YOUR post the fonts on the system here change. if I set them back and go back to this message the same thing happens. Usually it's HTML or RTF messages that do that. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps > >Allison > >I have not a clue what you are talking about. Viewing my messages in a >number of ways including the page source shows NOTHING out of the ordinary. >If you have a problem, kindly include a suggested solution. I see NOTHING >any different from my post than any other posts on this board. > >ajp166 wrote: >> >> I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Stop with the funky font shit! >> >> Allison >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps >> >> > >> > >> >Sellam Ismail wrote: >> > >> >> I recommend: >> >> >> >> Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine) >> >> Hackers (Levy) >> >> The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz) >> > >> >I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at >> >http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A >> most >> >interesting book! Some of these books are getting a bit harder to find >> on >> >the streets.

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SCSI or Voodoo?

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

Well, since the Mac Quadra 700 is of 91 vintage, it looks like I can ask questions about it... I found this on teamexcess.com - ST15150N Seagate 3.5" 4.3GB 1.6" Half Height SCSI H-ST-15150N Narrow 50-pin Assuming the jumpers are set correctly, should this work internally in a Quadra 700? thanks, -carl hirsch

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Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Thankyou! The problem with that is not only did it change fonts it also went for the Largest font! There is nothing naster than reading in my preferred 9pt sans serif and ending up with a 22 (yes huge!) serif font. Can you say YELLING. ;) Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps > >Okay, and I would ONLY change it for you Allison :), is this any better? I >just set it >to ISO-8859-1 (Western.) > >Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> On June 2, Chuck McManis wrote: >> > I'm guessing it is these two. I don't know what mail client Allison uses >> > but perhaps when it sees the request for the 'x-user-defined' character set >> > it freaks. Most MIME clients put ISO_LATIN1 there and they are not bothersome. >> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> > This reminds me yet again of a what a _wonderful_ hack to Majordomo, >> > Listserve, or what ever that would take the message submission and >> > _reformat it_ into plain text regardless of how it was sent. Then send it >> > to the list that way (and strip off attachments etc) That is the kind of >> > list I want to subscribe to because even when a newbie screws up (and >> > Marvin isn't one, he just has some interesting headers) no one suffers. >> >> I would love something like this. Anyone know of a majordomo hack >> (or another package) that does this? >> >> -Dave McGuire

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Anyone ever seen a TRAN M3000?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >In a few weeks, I'll put a diagram of the Indiana > >University Computing Network cira 1974 up on my web > >site so you can see the role it played. You'll need > >a WHIP! viewer (from Autodesk's web site) to view it. > > If the diagram is of that vintage and not going to be > changed, why post it in Autocad format where it needs a special > plug-in to view it? I haven't been able to create a raster image of it that preserves all the visible details without it being smaller than 2MB. I can't dedicate that much of my precious homepage storage space to a single item. The DWF file (and likewise a DXF) are a few orders of magnitude smaller. Here's an attempt at makeing it fit in a web browser: http://members.iglou.com/dougq/iunet74s.jpg See what I mean? It's a large diagram with lots of detail. Regards, -dq

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Problems with posts? (was: Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > With full headers enabled in PINE, I get the following message preceding > Marvin's post: > [ The following text is in the "x-user-defined" character set. ] > [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] > [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Marvin is using Netscape for Windows. He could probably help Allison out by looking at Netscape Messenger's View pull-down menu, somewhere on there should be something about "Character Set" and I believe he can use that to (a) tell it that he wants to use Western (ISO-8859-1) and (b) make that his default character set. Allison is using Microsoft Outlook Express. I don't know what she can do about this at her end, but I would probably be inspired to do something with one or more of a hammer, pliers, a soldering iron, and FreeBSD CDs. > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com You think you're grumpy? I remember thinking that open standards like those upon which the Internet was built would be a good thing and enable improved communication via different e-mail systems. Instead, here in the future we have dueling implementations of point-and-click cubemail, where one can set things in a completely standard way that render plain text unreadable to the other-cubemail reader on the other end. And the cubemail users then complain about it, not to their software vendors but out where I have to wade through it. -Frank McConnell

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you vs. museums

by allain＠panix.com

I'm not really defending museums here, having lost the local history center to the west coast, but has anyone at one of these museums ever attempted to defend their postion by saying "Authentic peroid components only"? That would rule out new purchases. John A. still going to buy a Plane ticket

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booting from RQDX3

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> >> How does a PDP-11 boot from an RQDX3 controller? >> These machines are in a 4-slot dual-wide card cage which is full. >I am afraid that there is only one solution in this configuration: >Typing in the bootstrap via ODT at startup. I do this with my 11/73, >because I don't have a ROM card. But a ROM card is no solution for you, >as you don't have a free slot. I connected the console line of the PDP >to a serial port of a PeeCee, so I can use a minicom script to type in the >bootstrap. Or like I have in one of my BA-11VA boxen. System A with HD 11/23 (KDF11-A) 256k ram MXV11 with boot roms. RQDX3 + disk System B with Tu58 11/23 256k ram DLV11j MR11C rom card with tu58 boot. Allison

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S-100 Bus Voltages

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Edwin P. Groot <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> > After pulling all but one of the cards out I powered up the system. >Fans run fine, but the motherboard voltage supplies are rather high. For >+8V I measure 10.7V; for +16V I get -19.3V; and for -16V I get -19.3V. Is >this some careless engineering, bad components, or is the board really NOT >supposed to receive the nominal voltage? Obviously you have no expereince with S100. The Voltages supplied to the bus are UNREGUALTED with a minima of +8, +15 and -15. Each card carries it's own local regulation to resolve the 5/12/-12/-5 as needed. > Many of the S-100 boards are discoloured brown-green on the solder >side opposite these large transistor-like things with heat sinks. Is that >something to worry about? Typical and those large transistor like things are voltage regulators. >Does that look safe enough to put the boards back and see how this system >runs? The measurments you made are mostly meaningless. Is it safe? Likely is but that done not mean it will run. I'd have to assume the boards in there are a complete set and configured (memory and IO addresses correctly set) for anything good to happen. S100 was NOT plug and play. > A fair amount of current runs through these slots. I nearly welded my >probe to the slot when I accidently shorted two pins! Obviously contacted +8 to the -16. And yes those supplies are typically good for 25A on the +8 and 4-8A on the +15. Allison

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Anyone ever seen a TRAN M3000?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 2, 11:19, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > >In a few weeks, I'll put a diagram of the Indiana > > >University Computing Network cira 1974 up on my web > > >site so you can see the role it played. You'll need > > >a WHIP! viewer (from Autodesk's web site) to view it. > > > > If the diagram is of that vintage and not going to be > > changed, why post it in Autocad format where it needs a special > > plug-in to view it? > > I haven't been able to create a raster image of it > that preserves all the visible details without it > being smaller than 2MB. I can't dedicate that much > of my precious homepage storage space to a single > item. The DWF file (and likewise a DXF) are a few > orders of magnitude smaller. Doug, I have a piece of software that *might* be able to read the DXF file and output PostScript. It depends on what's in the DXF file (DXF is a very loosely defined and badly documented format so sometimes I find DXF that doesn't translate). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Compaq 286 SLT Power PInout

by fantom4＠fantom5.freeserve.co.uk

Hi Does anyone have any idea of the volts needed for the six pins of the SLT's power point on the laptop As I would like to get this laptop up and running, It works but i need better way of powering it. Thanks email fantom4(a)fantom5.freeserve.co.uk

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Interesting find

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

In packing up my stuff to move it from the office building to a temporary holding facility in my garage, I discovered I had the other half of the MDB Unibus to QBus bus "interpreter" which the docs claim will allow me to either use Unibus peripherals on a Q-bus machine or vice versa. Way cool. This means I can set up my 11/34a to use the RQ11D talking to a ESDI drive in a BA23 box as its hard drive (plus an RL01) but this gives me much more capacity. I hope it works! --Chuck

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

> > >On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:56:17 -0400 "Jeff Hellige" ><jhellige(a)earthlink.net> writes: >> The board is from Sun Remarketing and is labled as being >Ah, I see. It's some whacko custom thingie. Didn't the Lisa originally >use some kind of ProFile-ish thing (custom interface, custom drive >electronix, etc.). The Lisa's external Profile hard disks (5 and 10MB) and internal 'Widget' hard disks both ran off of a parallel interface. I've not taken my Profile apart enough to determine exactly what's inside of it but the Lisa 2/10 internal drive certainly appears to have been a custom setup. There are like 3 circuit boards mounted above the drive assembly itself. I really should put the effort into getting the Profile working but thought I'd try to figure out this other setup first. >Hm, very interesting! I wonder what model they used? Like I said >before, >most of the early SCSI boards from Adaptec (and most of the other mfr's >as well at that time) were only partial SCSI implementations. I'll take the cover off of the SH-204 and report the board ID once I get home. >Ah, well, mebbe I stuck my foot in my mouth-- the ST did have a SCSI >interface, didn't it? Or was it yet another whacko custom thingie . . If I remember correctly, the ST's interface was close to SCSI, close enough that ICD created some relatively small interface adapters for it. Jeff

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HTML source code?? (was: Call for Resources for CDC

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:41 PM 6/2/01 +0100, you wrote: >On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, you wrote: > >> BTW, I also think that it is a really stupid idea to have the editor >> refuse to let you continue until you fix an error. "Let me finish >> typing! I'm on a roll! I PROMISE that I'll go back and fix those typos >> before I compile!" >> > >One of my pet hates is VBA, where you get halfway through a line ofcode, decide >to copy something from somewhere else, and as soon as you leave the line you >are editing it pops up a dialog box telling you that there is a syntax error... >I f*&^$%g well know that - because I haven't finished typing the line. This seems to work for Access97: Tools/Options/Module uncheck 'auto syntax check' Errors still in red, but the dialog box goes away. Lance.

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Amiga 1000 "disk change" stuck?

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I told David Betz I would send him a fast Lisp interpreter I wrote in Amiga assembler about 15 years ago. Now I have to get my Amiga working -- a worthwhile interruption to my PDP-11 restoration. This is an original rev 1.0 Amiga 1000 with one floppy drive, expanded chip RAM, 2 megs in a StarBoard on the side, and nothing else. It's the first computer I ever bought rather than built from scrap. It cost about $1000 in the days when an IBM AT with EGA, 1 meg RAM, and 30 meg hard drive cost several thousands, and 1.0 VAX-MIPs meant something. All the original pieces and manuals are still there and intact except for the monitor which died years ago. I'm using a small B&W NTSC monitor until I get a VGA adapter cable built. First, I tore it apart and cleaned out the dust. Pulling the cooling air in through the floppy drive was a brilliant concept. That way the cheap and replaceable floppy drive doubles as an air filter. There was very little dust elsewhere. After trying 5 Kickstart disks, I found one that would still read. I can boot the Lisp development disk, and, with plenty of patience and retries, it loads itself into the RAMdisk. So, in theory, the Lisp interpreter sources are recoverable (I also have it on 3 backup disks). The floppy drive, or something related, has a problem however. The computer cannot see when I remove a disk, therefore, it never refreshes the cache when I change disks. It never realizes that the disk has been changed. So I have the Lisp sources on one disk that will boot successfully, Kermit and CrossDOS on another good disk, but whichever one I boot, I cannot read the other. It will take a while to remember/relearn how to run an Amiga. The reed relay actuated by the floppy drive eject button is working, and there is continuity to a large chip on the drive. I'm guessing the computer is looking for "disk change" (pin 34 on the interface), which is probably triggered by the reed relay. I tried an IBM-PC floppy drive -- it boots from that drive, but still doesn't see the disk change. I tried a different ribbon cable. There is continuity from pin 34 on the mainboard floppy connector to a pin on what looks like it might be a PIO chip. There are two of these 40 pin DIPs in sockets next to the 68000. I exchanged the two chips -- that made no difference. I examined pin 34 with a voltmeter, with the ribbon cable disconnected but power applied to the drive. It doesn't wiggle when I insert and eject a floppy. But testing this with the cable disconnected might not be a valid test. It might be strobed by "drive select". With everything hooked up, I don't see a significant voltmeter wiggle on the PIO pin -- again, it might be "drive select" enabled, or polled with a very low duty cycle, so that test might not mean anything. Now that I think of it, I seem to recall that the pin was low. That sounds suspcious. I would expect if it was strobed, it would be a low-true open collector. I need to go back and look at that again. Questions: Is there some software way to force the computer to flush the disk cache and take a fresh look at a disk? Is an IBM-PC 1.44 meg floppy drive an adequate replacement for the original 800K internal drive, at least for reading? I downloaded a bunch of floppy related "hacks" from an archive (Aminet?), but I haven't had time to parse them all yet, plus I can't see the IFF formatted diagrams from a PC. Bear in mind that I have only one drive, so drive select logic might not be needed. What is the mechanism/algorithm used to detect drive change? What could have gone wrong? If I get desperate enough, I'll cut pin 34 on the ribbon cable and run it to a pushbutton dangling outside the case (assuming that pin 34 is the missing signal). -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

> Hmmm.. Don't remember that, but I do remember Empire, > and some other Star Trek game... as well as the coolest > LISP and Pascal interpreter environments I ever used. Please elaborate! -- Derek (hoping for watchpoints or formatted display of the source code -- i.e., with italics or proportional spacing)

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Amiga 1000 "disk change" stuck?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hi Jonathan, The computer cannot see when I remove a disk, therefore, it never refreshes the cache when I change disks. It never realizes that the disk has been changed. So I have the Lisp sources on If your aim is to, for now, just recover the disks open a shell (cli) window and type diskchange df0: That forces a cache update from the media. If diskchange isn't resident on your A1000 copy it to RAM: first Cheers, Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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IBM 6109 personal typer?

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I saw a machine this evening that looked like a PS/2. It had 2 3.5# floppies on the front, but there were no ports on the back. The keyboard cable was coming out of an opening in the side and the monitor cable was attached internally. There appeared to be a lock on the side that may have given access to the inside. It seemed like the keyboard had been unplugged. Does anyone know anything about these machines? The keyboard was missing from the end of the cable, but it had one of the connectors found on the older original IBM keyboards.

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