- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

There was a transition period where they made both kinds of machines. The 88000 was Mot's first attempt at RISC. Good design, lousy marketing, lousy support. On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:02:32 -0700 "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> writes: > Before passing it over I took a quick look at the manual, dated > sometime after 1995. It mentioned both intel-based and 88000-based > computers. Never heard of an 88000. Is that Motorola? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B cpu cards (M8189). Oh yes, I do have a very fast 11/23B as a result of a modded clock. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Engdahl <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: RE: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >The M7554 has a Qbus on the A-B connector, and nothing but grant jumpers and >power on the C-D connector. > >I don't know anything about 11/73's, but the first thing I noticed when I >got the 11/53 to boot was "Whoa! -- this thing is a lot faster than an >11/23". > >Maybe Allison had better go looking for someone with a very fast "11/23" and >get his CPU board back! > >-- >Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation >Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road >Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117, USA >Euclid Labs engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Pete Turnbull >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:22 AM >> To: classiccmp >> Subject: Re: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >> >> >> On Jun 5, 22:37, ajp166 wrote: >> > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 >> > or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). >> >> No, an 11/53 processor is an M7554, which is a quad board with J11, half a >> meg of memory, 2 SLUs, bootstrap, etc. It's rather like an >> 11/73B but with >> added memory (and no PMI capability, I think). It was designed as a low >> end system, and IIRC it's slightly slower than an 11/73. >> >> If you saw 11/53 BA23's with 11/23's in them, someone swapped the >> cards, or >> swapped the labels. >> >> >> >> -- >> Pete Peter Turnbull >> Network Manager >> University of York >> >

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classiccmp-digest V1 #621

by jweder＠telusplanet.net

Hi all.. This is just a quick test. I replied to the digest version of the list a few days ago but haven't seen that message in the digest, so I'm wondering what happened. Mind you could be it was deleted in disgust by the system because I likely accidentally included the whole text of the digest in my reply. Ooops!! By the way, I'm just getting into the classic computer thing. I found an IMSAI in beautiful shape a few years ago at an auction, and just recently a dusty old SWTPc 6800 at a flea market. The SWTP inspired me to find a source for intelligent knowledge about these old beasts. Right now I'm trying to talk to the IMSAI with my Hazeltine 1500 using current loop. I'm also trying to figure out what software is in the EPROM's. There are two groups of chips, one with 6 2708's and the other with 8, on a Godbout EconoROM board. Anyway, hopefully THIS message makes it. I'm looking forward to getting to know some of the folks here, and looking forward to getting to know my IMSAI and 6800 better too! Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 6, 19:34, ajp166 wrote: > I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) > so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B > cpu cards (M8189). Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor released a few years after the 11/73 and 11/83, as a low-cost option for office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor with separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. I never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. It's listed in the 1987 PDP-11 Systems Handbook. Maybe Megan could look it up (I believe she has a copy?)? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Any chance that someone may have an DEC RV20 worm drive they would like to part company with? I just received some carts with software I would like to read. Also looking for a keyboard for a VAXmate. Thanks, Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >On Jun 6, 19:34, ajp166 wrote: >> I have a 11/73 and several 11/23s (some with clock mods for speed) >> so I'm aware of what I said. MOST early 11/53 boxen actually had 11/23B >> cpu cards (M8189). > >Allison, for once I feel you're wrong. An 11/53 is a distinct processor >released a few years after the 11/73 and 11/83, as a low-cost option for What part of what I wrote is unclear? The comment is most 11/53s I've seen contained 11/23B cpus. that maybe "not as shipped" but very commonplace. >office use. When it was announced (1987), it was as a J11 processor with >separate I&D space and RAM on the processor card -- which no 11/23 has. I >never heard of one having an 11/23 as shipped by DEC. Never said it was. I said many early 11/53boxen HAD 11/23s not they shipped with 11/23s. Seems they were fertile ground for modified systems. >It's listed in the 1987 PDP-11 Systems Handbook. Maybe Megan could look it >up (I believe she has a copy?)? I have it. Allison

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DG stuff

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I did not realize your preservation efforts. If I donate this collection of manuals and software, will you eventually make them available to all? Some of the manuals I have are from 1969 and I also have some early DG direct and some sales literature. The software is Nova 3 and 4 I believe. Haven't looked at it in a while. I saved this stuff from the dumpster years ago hoping to use it for trading fodder for DEC related stuff someday. Now I'm just glad I saved it. Brian. Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Oh Crap! Last week at a garage sale I passed over a box of DG-UX software, thinking, "I'll never come across an Aviion". Sorry! Edwin At 08:36 PM 6/5/2001 -0400, you wrote: > I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that they're >getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. It's >clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp >looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it as an > Joe > >

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by gessler＠ucla.edu

Hi Joe, Are you interested in parting with any of these? (My guess is that the 4025 is really a 4052.) I teach computational geography at UCLA and would like these to work on and show my students. Cheers, Nick At 09:52 PM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Mike, > > I have a LOADED 4051 and a IBM 5100. I have ALL the toys for the 4051 > including the Altair-like front panel that was used for maintenance. I > also both of the optional 8" floppy drives. The 4662 is a plotter isn't > it? I think that's the model number of the one that I have. > > What the heck is a 4025?? I might be interested it. My wife makes > frequent trips to KC. In fact, she's out there now. > > Joe > >At 09:49 AM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >>I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in the >>drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only >>problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor >>bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage >>and I'd like to transfer it to someone who can appreciate it and maybe >>repair it. >>I'm in Kansas City >> >>Mike McFadden >>mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Nicholas Gessler gessler(a)ucla.edu Box 706, 22148 Monte Vista Drive Topanga, CA 90290-0706 310.455.1630 (home office) 310.825.4728 (UCLA office) 310.825.7428 (UCLA fax) Special Projects, UCLA Center for Digital Humanities Founding Co-Director, UCLA Center for Computational Social Science Instructor, Geography, Computational Cartography In preparation - "Artificial Culture - Experiments in Synthetic Anthropology." Web Portal: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~gessler

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Actually, it all depends on how new the machine is. If it was built after about 1996, it's probably an Intel based system-- hardly worthy of notice. Before that, they made systems using the 88000-- now these are interesting because very few makers used this chip set. Jeff On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:59:10 -0700 "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> writes: > Oh Crap! Last week at a garage sale I passed over a box of > DG-UX > software, thinking, "I'll never come across an Aviion". > > Sorry! > Edwin > > At 08:36 PM 6/5/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that > they're > >getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. > It's > >clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp > >looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it > as an > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >I believe all the boards listed below are the various varients of the /53 >and /53+. It was commonly used in DECservers 550's which explains the LAT >ROMs listed on some of them. One of those can be converted to a PDP-11/53 >by replacing the ROMs with PDP-11/53 ROMs. Oh yes there were plenty of variantion of the base "11/53" out there. Most were supposed to be J11 powered but like I said many have M8189s. Allison

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> >I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to >simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail >of any HTML.... I live for the day I can strip OE for a real mailer not the cartoon thing MS pushes off. My kind of mailer is Vax Mail. Nice simple command line text mailer. Allison

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need copy of email about PDP11 in new york!

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I deleted it... thanks, clint

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

On 2001-06-06 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl >> > Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? >I know of four people that are looking for this information. >There used to be a pdf of "EK-OLCP5-TM-001 Micro/PDP-11 System >Technical Manual" on www.retrobytes.org, but that site is gone >Antonio Carlini has a copy of that pdf. He uploaded it to >www.vararchive.org a couple days ago. I have not yet been able >to find it at the archive. Evidently the maintainer hasn't got >around to it yet. The pdf is there already, but I forgot to upload the modified index file ;-( sorry! I just did, and now you can download the pdf from http://www.vaxarchive.org/manuals/ It should also appear a day later at http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/manuals/ >I know what that's like. I'll wait a few days >before I bug him. Or perhaps, if the vaxarchive is going to be a >problem, someone could provide a more appropriate place that >Antonio can upload the doc to. >Are vax.sevensages.org and www.vaxarchive.org the same place, >different, or is one a mirror of the other? The vaxarchive >address seems to be down at the moment. The server that is hosting www.vaxarchive.org is indeed a bit unstable because it also has many other things to do. But I am not complaining because the owner of the machine lets me use many megabytes for free and when the machine goes down, it is always fixed quickly. The servers that are hosting the mirrors should be more stable. There are two active mirrors at the moment: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ - is automatically updated once a day http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/ - is manually updated at irregular moments They are both located in the U.S., as is the vaxarchive machine itself. I am working on a mirror in Europe. If anyone else wants to mirror, please get in touch. Kees -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography) http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers (Mirrors: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ and http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/) Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by bills＠adrenaline.com

> Loco-ation? (If I can't go get it, it's forget it) Sorry... It's in Washington, DC.

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Nobody wants an HP-150?

by Demon02554＠aol.com

how big i might be interested

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Will trade classic HW for CP/M 2.2 help!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Bob, I'm not far away, Maybe I can help. FYI I have NO data on the tarbell controller but if the disk is standard SSSD I can help. No interest in the HP or symbolics though, too far off my collection. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Will trade classic HW for CP/M 2.2 help! >To any CP/M 2.2 users with 8-inch SSSD floppy disks... > >I'm restoring an Imsai 8080, and at this point my hardware is working very >well, but I need some assistance with the software. > >If any list member can help, I'm willing to trade classic hardware such as an HP >9830A desktop programmable (in basic!) calculator, a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine >(with 2 monitors, and full doc set), a Solid State Music S-100 bus music >synthisizer, DEC goodies, etc... > >Lets make a deal....without eBay..... > >All the hardware for trade is located in centeral MA, not too far from the site >for VCF East! >Who ever gets this deal, and helps get this Imsai up to the A:> prompt WILL be >made happy. > >(and share in the satisfaction of saving this particular Imsai from the dust bin >of history) > >My problem is this: > >I need a bootable 8-inch, SSSD CP/M 2.2 disk made with a BIOS for my hardware... >I do have full documentation for all the hardware installed in my system. > >I have an Imsai 8080 with 40K of RAM, a Tarbell 1101-D floppy controller with 2 >SA-800 >drives, and a Solid State Music IO-4 board. There are some old CP/M 1.3 disks >that came >with the system, and they ~appear~ to boot, but I get no console I/O. Most of the >disks >claim to be for memory configurations larger than I currently have. > >I can disable the Tarbell boot code and enter small programs by hand, and I've >verifed that >the SSM IO-4 boards serial port is fully operational. Attempting to boot a 24K >CP/M 1.3 >disk ~looks~ like its working, the head loads and unloads several times, data gets >loaded >into memory by the boot loader code from the floppy, but no console I/O. > >Who knows what hardware config this disk expects, it appears to be a very early >CP/M >install for this Imsai, and its clearly been expanded several times since this >disk was cut. > >I'd also LOVE to upgrade the many 2102 based Ram boards with any non-2102 based >SRAM >board. I do have 22 slots, but 4K and 8K boards just take up too much room. > >So, is anyone out there with 8-inch CM/M 2.2, and who is just dying for a >Symbolics 3645? > >Just 'gottahave' an HP9830A (all key caps, unbroken plastic, etc) LED dot matrix >calculator? >(check one out on the HP calculator museum site, clearly collectable...) > >Drop me a line off the list, and lets make a deal! >

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OT: PC104 connectors

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I posted this question to ChipCenter a few weeks ago, but I've gotten no responses. Where can I purchase PC/104 stacking connectors in really low (single unit) quantities? My usual suppliers DigiKey, Mouser and Jameco don't carry them. I'm checking Pioneer Standard and some of the major supplier houses, but has anyone actually purchased these for prototyping purposes? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Another Auction Site

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/6/01 11:10:57 AM Central Daylight Time, marvin(a)rain.org writes: << John Foust wrote: > > I can't think of any significant change to eBay's UI in the > last few years. You can no longer directly email a buyer or seller but have to go through Ebays intermittently working email forwarding system, the requirement to use Active X in order to use their new photo hosting service, the sellers page requires javascript unless you have the old page bookmarked or go through a two step process to get there, the addition of the BIN (Buy It Now) feature, the addition of spam ads (half.com) competing with sellers when doing a search, the use of cookies to monitor buyer/seller habits, ... >> grrrr, it sucks. I have to clear out all kinds of javascript errors running my favourite netscape 3... I really miss the option to directly email sellers. Good deals could be made that way!

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 5, 22:37, ajp166 wrote: > Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 > or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). No, an 11/53 processor is an M7554, which is a quad board with J11, half a meg of memory, 2 SLUs, bootstrap, etc. It's rather like an 11/73B but with added memory (and no PMI capability, I think). It was designed as a low end system, and IIRC it's slightly slower than an 11/73. If you saw 11/53 BA23's with 11/23's in them, someone swapped the cards, or swapped the labels. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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S-100 Bus Voltages

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Anybody know the voltage tolerances for S-100 bus computers, or where such info. can be found? I am preparing to run a 1981 vintage, 19-slot S-100 system. After pulling all but one of the cards out I powered up the system. Fans run fine, but the motherboard voltage supplies are rather high. For +8V I measure 10.7V; for +16V I get -19.3V; and for -16V I get -19.3V. Is this some careless engineering, bad components, or is the board really NOT supposed to receive the nominal voltage? Many of the S-100 boards are discoloured brown-green on the solder side opposite these large transistor-like things with heat sinks. Is that something to worry about? I also measured the DC voltages of the pins of one of the slots. This is what I got (assuming that pins 1|51 is at the power supply end): volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts | volts pin# volts ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- | ----- ----- ----- 10.7 1 51 10.7 | ? 13 63 ? | ? 26 76 ? | 1.4 38 88 1.4 ? 2 52 -19.5 | 5 14 64 ? | ? 27 77 ? | 1.3 39 89 1.3 5 3 53 0 | ? 15 65 ? | ? 28 78 1.3 | 1.3 40 90 1.3 5 4 54 5 | ? 16 66 ? | 1.6 29 79 1.3 | 0.1 41 91 0.1 5 5 55 5 | ? 17 67 5 | 1.3 30 80 1.3 | 0.1 42 92 0.1 5 6 56 5 | 5 18 68 ? | 1.3 31 81 1.3 | 0.1 43 93 0.1 5 7 57 5 | 5 19 69 ? | ? 32 82 1.3 | 1.3 44 94 0.1 5 8 58 ? | 0 20 70 0 | ? 33 83 1.3 | 1.3 45 95 0.1 5 9 59 ? | ? 21 71 ? | ? 34 84 0 | 1.3 46 96 1.3 5 10 60 5 | 5 22 72 5 | 1.4 35 85 0 | AC? 47 97 AC? 5 11 61 ? | 5 23 73 5 | 1.4 36 86 0 | ? 48 48 5 5 12 62 ? | 1.3 24 74 5 | ? 37 87 0 | 1.3 49 99 5 | ? 25 75 ? | | 0 50 100 0 Does that look safe enough to put the boards back and see how this system runs? A fair amount of current runs through these slots. I nearly welded my probe to the slot when I accidently shorted two pins! Any help, encouragement is much appreciated! Edwin

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Another Auction Site

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

That's why they changed it! They refused to consider the benefit it was to *users*-- only that they figured that it was taking money out of their pocket! Obviously, the general manager of E-Pay is a graduate of the Bill Gates School of Business. School Motto: 'Userium, Illigitium, Screvvium'* *Translation: (Loosely) 'Users-- Screw the Bastards!" :^) On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:24:35 EDT SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com writes: > grrrr, it sucks. I have to clear out all kinds of javascript errors > running my favourite netscape 3... I really miss the option to directly > email sellers. Good deals could be made that way! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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old date plz

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Saturday, June 2, 2001 3:20 am Subject: Re: old date plz > AFAIK, there was never an internal hard disk for the PPC640 series > -- > there's no obvious way to add one, anyway (no internal bus > connectors for > the controller). So without a boot disk it's not going to do very > much. > Have you tried making an MS-DOS 3.3 boot disk (720K, 3.5") and > booting > from that? My Amstrad PPC (640K, 2 floppies) boots fine from such > a disk Actually, when I was working for a company in Sydney (when the PPC512's & PPC640's came out), we did manage to interface a drive to 'em, it's a *very* tight squeeze, but you can fit them in. BL ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I still don't get the idea why Alison is upset because of HTML. > It's a 7 Bit encoded text/Plain message of unknown charset (so > US-ASCII is to be assumed) - so where is the gag ? I can't, and won't, speak for Allison. However, from conversations I've carried on with her in the past, she likes, as do I, the "in-band" method of replying to a pervious poster's comments, like I'm doing now. Of course, since the only part of your message I wanted to reply to was the snippet above, this message isn't a good demonstration of what I'm trying to say. Anyway, it's easier to intersperse my replies with the original comments- I do not like the way many people just stick all their comments either at the top or at the bottom of a message. Now, if I reply to an HTML-format message and intersperse my remarks with the originals, and FORGET to convert from HTML to plain-text before I begin, some people will see my post and see only the quoted original, and won't see my replies unless they want to wade through the HTML-ized version of it. If we were all just posting manifestos, Allison and I might not object as much as we do. But we're trying to carry on conversations, and I simply think plain text does the best job of carrying that conversation. I live for the day when Outlook or Exchange allow me to simply establish a filter that strips all incoming mail of any HTML.... Regards, -dq

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Classic Junk Sought

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I wonder what kind of reply that heading will get? Actually, what I am looking for in this particular case would indeed be junk to most people. During the 1960s, Control Data Corp created a line of systems using the 3000 series designation. The peripheral cabinets for these were particularly (IMHO) cool looking, with cabinets that had sides bedecked with rectangular bezels backes with dark- blue-smoked glass (or plexiglass). Disk controllers, tape controllers, and unit-record controllers were all in cabinets like these, about 4 feet high. I think CPU and memory were in similarly-designed cabinets that were about 72 inched tall. So, I'd love to find one of the 4-foot cabinets, it would not matter what the controller was, or if it worked; hell, it could even be an empty cabinet. If anyone finds/has one, I know of a good home for it... Regards, -doug quebbeman

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SCSI or Voodoo?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 10:28 AM 6/4/01 +0100, you wrote: > >> ST15150N Seagate 3.5" 4.3GB 1.6" Half Height SCSI H-ST-15150N > >> Narrow 50-pin > > It should, but I don't have a lot of confidence in old Seagate >drives. > >Hmm, if that's one of the Barracuda drives, I've run one for several years >without trouble. They do get *very* hot though, so make sure you've got a >decent cooling system. Yup, those barracudas run very hot, and sink lots of power. But they were pretty fast for their time. Just make sure that the airflow and the power supply are adequate and you should have no problems. I've been running three ST15150WD for years. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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PDP-11/53+ Jumpers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Isn't the 11/53 the box name and the cpu being either an 11/73 or 11/23B? All the 11/53s I've seen had 11/23B cpus (M8189). Allison -----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: PDP-11/53+ Jumpers >> Does anyone have the jumpers for a PDP-11/53+ CPU board? >> -- >> Eric Dittman >> dittman(a)dittman.net > >This is a FAQ, and sadly no one seems to, either on the list or elsewhere. >If anyone has them I need them also. > > Zane >

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:56:17 -0400 "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> writes: > The board is from Sun Remarketing and is labled as being > manufactured by them. It is in an Apple Lisa and converts the > signals from the external parallel port to those of the MFM drive. > The converter and hard disk are mounted directly above the floppy > drive internally with a ribbon cable going out the back of the > case to the external port. I'll look at it again when I > get home and post specifics on it. Unfortunately, I don't have any > documentation on the hard disk setup. Ah, I see. It's some whacko custom thingie. Didn't the Lisa originally use some kind of ProFile-ish thing (custom interface, custom drive electronix, etc.). > I've had a few of the Adaptec boards, including one mounted in > an Atari SH-204 hard disk, converting from the ST's interface to the MFM > drive mounted in the enclosure. Hm, very interesting! I wonder what model they used? Like I said before, most of the early SCSI boards from Adaptec (and most of the other mfr's as well at that time) were only partial SCSI implementations. Ah, well, mebbe I stuck my foot in my mouth-- the ST did have a SCSI interface, didn't it? Or was it yet another whacko custom thingie . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Rescue: *NEW* DG Aviion

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I stopped at a scrap place today and found a NEW DG Aviion that they're getting ready to scrap. This appears to be brand new and complete. It's clean and looks like it's in perfect condition. It's very sharp looking! I talked to them and they are interested in selling it as an intact unit so if anyone is intersted contact me directly and I'll give you the contact information. I don't know what they want for it but their prices are generally very reasonable. This is a big unit. It's over 6 feet tall and is the size of a large refrigerator. I think the model number on it is D11003-7. Does anyone have the specs on it? No, I can't buy it and store it or ship it to you. I don't have the space, time or money. Sorry. The people that have it are in an industrial area and have forklifts and such so they can load it or arrange shipping. It's located in Melbourne, Florida. Joe

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in the drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage and I'd like to transfer it to someone who can appreciate it and maybe repair it. I'm in Kansas City Mike McFadden mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >> ...OE users, ditch OE... > >I certainly wouldn't reccomend 'O' over 'OE'. It was slower >and creepier, ie more complex and Even Less Open than >OE as if that was possible. PS pick Format>Plain Text > or Tools>Options>Send>Plain Text depending > on where you are. AAaack Pbffftttttffff! I'm not thrilled either. I could use Netscrap Communicator but it tends to crash. Not a good thing. Allison

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PDP-11 stuff in Stamford, CT

by jss＠ou.edu

I just saw this in the info-pdp11 list, and I knew there would be some of us on this list interested. If I lived closer, I would be truckin' once again. I'm just the messenger here; please respond to the guy below. His e-mail addy is fcs_smith(a)snet.net -- you must remove the 1111 from what is listed below. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu ----- BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ----- Forwarded message from Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:18:06 -0400 From: Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Reply-To: Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111(a)snet.net> Subject: Equipment in Stamford, CT To: info-pdp11(a)village.org It's a nostalgic occasion, but we're clearing out our PDP-11 equipment. The following equipment is available in Stamford, CT (35 miles from New York City): 11/84 with 1024 KW memory (2) 11/44 with 512 KW memory (4) UDA50 BA11 expansion box (2) RA90 in SA600-XA cabinet RA81 TU81+ H9647 cabinet H9645 cabinet (200) 9-track tapes, 2400' & 3600', bulk-erased (2) 120-tape racks LA120 (with ribbons) LA100 (with ribbons) cables, including heavy-duty extension power cords with circular plugs All are available for best offer, except that minimum price on the 11/84 is $100 (I've got an offer on that). I'll consider offers to take equipment just for the cost of shipping & packaging (or by picking it up here), as that potentially saves me carting stuff to a dump/recycler, and keeps perfectly good equipment in good hands. All items were working as of a year ago, when we switched to Ersatz-11 on a PC. Kelvin Smith Financial Computer Systems Stamford, CT (203) 357-0504 (remove 1111 for e-mail) ----- END FORWARDED MESSAGE -----

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Free CDC boards

by rdd＠smart.net

In the spirit of avoiding E-bay, I'm offering a stack of CDC controller boards scavenged from three or four washing-machine sized drives that a former employer scrapped. Note: These boards were in the trunk of my car while it sat for a few months and mice got inside, so they'll need to be cleaned up a bit. Still, it would be a sham to see them go to waste. I haven't space for them. Any takers? (locally preferred, but I can ship them) -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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SB-180?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well add that to you 404 list.. It was a live one not too long ago. TCJ apparently evaporated. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Edwin P. Groot <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: SB-180? >At 04:40 PM 6/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>I have one with the SCSI/com card. > > That Web site doesn't exist - HTTPd gives me 404 error. Has the site >moved? >> >>There is also Uzi unix for the SB180, on the www.psyber.com/~tcj > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>site. >> >>Allison >

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Any Tektronix 4115B and their ilk

by Innfogra＠aol.com

> Tek > 4115B systems for sale cheap ... what's the difference between them and > are they worth "cluttering up" my storage area with. He indicated they > were large & heavy!! > The Tek 4115Bs were an early engineering workstation based on the intel 8086 processor. The 412X series were based on the 80286 processor otherwise they were basically the same chassis. Up to 8 planes of color graphics with it's own memory. I believe the monitors were 1280X1024 and extremely heavy, about 120 pounds each it seems. Some of the 4129s came with Sony Trinitrons. You often cannot tell a 4115 from a 4129 without looking at the card set, they were upgraded so often. The upgrades are listed as obscure option numbers on the component plate. You cannot tell the model from any numbers on the monitors. Most of the ones I have seen have 4115 on the monitor but could be up to 4129s inside. Some of the "B" model monitors while the same case are of different configuration? cabling? frequency? I know there is some difference but my manuals are not accessible. There is also a weight difference. The "B" monitors were about 100 pounds instead of 120 pounds. The CPU came in two styles the Plain and the "B" (i.e., 4115"B"). The Plain looked like a desk with room for this large monitor. The front of the CPU cabinet extended out for a keyboard shelf with feet and bad casters extending out in front. This part of the case with cards and drives may weigh about 150 pounds. The "B" model was a largish deskside rollaround about 14" wide X24"high X32" deep on casters, weight about 100 pounds. Not a bad box for a collectable workstation. It is shippable too. The monitor was same as the 4115 with the noted "B" exceptions and meant to sit on a table or desk and connect with the CPU by cables. As to shipping weights a Plain with monitor & keyboard is about 270-300 pounds and a pure "B" is about 220-230 pounds. As to drives, the 41XX came with one or two 8" DSDD floppy drives. There was a 10 meg 8" HD option that was very rare. I have seen & sold over 30 of these systems and have never seen the Hard Drive option. The "B" model hides the drives behind a front tiltdown shelf. I like that design. The "plain" has both drives laying flat side by side across the front above the keyboard shelf. Needless to say you need the matching Tek keyboards. There were two kinds. One with a standard D (9/15 pin???) for the 411Xs and one with a round connector for the 412Xs. Other options available were digitizing tablets, a joystick, 1, 2, 4 & 8 plane color graphics, a tiling card set for the 4129, a 3 serial port option, hard drive interface, and more. If you find a "B" with an HD save it. I think they are rare....and nice. I bet there is software among the list members. You can ship a "B" in two Boxes and get it under the UPS limit of 150 pounds. I have done that. The original "plain" uprights have to be palletized with care. If the monitor is shipped in it's normal configuration, on top, it has a lot of inertia and has to be restrained by more than lots of shrink wrap. Even though it weighs 120 pounds it loves to slide around. Careful packing with heavy cardboard is essential here. I have some circuit cards for the Tek 41xx series that I am interested in parting with if anyone out there is interested. Paxton Astoria, Oregon P. S; The bad news is that these have a fair amount of Aluminum, Mu and gold in them so a scrapper tends to look at them as valuable but work to get apart. The cards in the early 4115s are heavy with silicon and gold and are worth about $2 per pound.

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No subject

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all that may be interested I started a DEC "BCxx" cable guide on my website. Its is an ongoing project that I hope to complete in a couple of weeks. Let me know what errors anyone may happen to find. I will scan all the data sheets that I currently have and add them to the index. I tried to balance download time over a 56k dialup with the scanning resolution/compression to something I hope is acceptable. www.webwirz.com Thanks, Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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on subject line

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

While I have no gripe with Amigas they are foreign to my expereince and collection. Being far from my expecience would make them a non-solution. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Ford <padf(a)ihug.co.nz> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: Re: on subject line >Gidday ajp166 > >On 04-Jun-01, you wrote: > >>> And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs >> and >>> Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) >>> >>> -brian. > > >> Simple, other than PCs the only netable machines I have are, Vaxen, >> PDP-11s. Of those the PDP-11s really dont have a OS that supports IP networking >> and the vaxen are all serial consoles (no graphics). Doable on vaxen but not >> practical. > >> I might do it on a CP/M crate but then I need a PC to run PPOE to serial >> gateway. >> Its a matter of expediency and general need for modern compatability even >> if I hate PCs in general. > >You need an Amiga as a one stop solution. It's definitely classic, but >fully capable to 21st century standards. And the OS normally >impresses mini and mainframe freaks with it's economy, elegance and power. > >Regards >-- > *Patrick Ford Auckland, New Zealand* > */#icq#/ 51642681* >The Japanese call us lazy, but at least we cook our fish! > Support *Open Directory Project* NO banners, NO junk--just information. >*ODP *is built by volunteers and owned by the community . >-------> http://dmoz.org <-----------Check it out > > > > > >

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Wanted: Newer DEC serial terminals with PC-style keyboard

by INFOANM＠aol.com

Ive got VT420s for sale - some brand new. How many do you need? how much are you looking to pay? I also have disks, servers, printers etc... infoanm(a)aol.com 201-738-1703 USA

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/4/01 6:57:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > What the heck is a 4025?? I might be interested it. My wife makes > frequent trips to KC. In fact, she's out there now. > > Joe > > At 09:49 AM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in > the > >drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only > >problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor > >bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage > The 4025 is a dumb terminal that Tektronix made with a separate keyboard. It did not have a tape drive IIRC, nor a storage tube. >From the description I thought it was a 4052 with the 2 & 5 transposed. I do that sometimes. As Joe and everyone who collects old Tek knows is that the cases are heavy high grade aluminum which are easy to clean and sell. Many of these computers are guts only by the time anyone gets to them. I sent one in similar condition to Joe a couple of years ago. Paxton Astoria, OR

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New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Thanks very much... and I recently had my birthday as well... :-) my parents have told me that I'm officially middle-aged... <sigh> Megan

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Garage Cleaning

by lance＠costanzo.net

Rather that do what I should have been doing this afternoon, I went into the garage and tried to find some things to get rid of. First pass: about 50 pounds of manuals, (mostly HP-150), and 50 pounds of not interesting PC parts. Only offered to this mailing list. I want beer money for them. Details, photos, etc: http://www.kzin.com/trader Lance.

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RM Nimbus PC1

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

Hi folks, I remember a discussion on here a few months ago about Intel 80186 machines and one of the better ones was the RM (Research Machines) Nimbus PC1, which was also known for having a PicoNet port as well as a largely unknown 'network' port. I came across 2 of these today in a junk shop that haven't got the 'network' port but they *have* got everything else. Anyone interested in them? One has a keyboard but the other doesn't. Looking at it though I suspect a bog-standard IBM-compatible keyboard will do the trick - I can try it if anyone shows interest. There's pix of a PC1 on the museum site below, just follow the links to the Research Machines page. cheers! adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Sorry for that mail to the list... I hadn't read it closely and though it was private... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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you vs. museums

by Demon02554＠aol.com

>> just a short note here saying how much I appreciate >> Microsoft... i hope i'm detecting a slight tone of sarcasm...(or more preferably a really heavy one)

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you vs. museums

by tcmail＠ix.netcom.com

Just a note from a museum person who stumbled upon your discussion from March '01...too bad you have this antagonistic attitude - you could probably share resources with a local museum and do a lot of good. They would love the information you could provide (and maybe do some public good with?), and they might have resources (including potential access to grant money, etc.) that you would also enjoy. It doesn't seem like them offering someone a tax incentive should be such a problem in that case... Best wishes, Tim

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[classiccmp] on subject line

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs and >Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) > >-brian. Simple, other than PCs the only netable machines I have are, Vaxen, PDP-11s. Of those the PDP-11s really dont have a OS that supports IP networking and the vaxen are all serial consoles (no graphics). Doable on vaxen but not practical. I might do it on a CP/M crate but then I need a PC to run PPOE to serial gateway. Its a matter of expediency and general need for modern compatability even if I hate PCs in general. Allison

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SCSI or Voodoo?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> ST15150N Seagate 3.5" 4.3GB 1.6" Half Height SCSI H-ST-15150N >> Narrow 50-pin > It should, but I don't have a lot of confidence in old Seagate drives. Hmm, if that's one of the Barracuda drives, I've run one for several years without trouble. They do get *very* hot though, so make sure you've got a decent cooling system. cheers Jules

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Wanted: DEC Server 700

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, I would like to acquire a DEC Server 700 (8 port version is fine) to use with my VAX VLC cluster project. I've got a DEC Server 300/MC that is a stand in but with the VLCs it doesn't "blend" very well :-). Anyway, I'm willing to pay money for it ($50 - $75), I would even trade a MicroVAX III board set (16MB RAM + KA650 CPU), but they do seem to get run up rather quickly on Ebay for some reason (I guess they work well!) No doubt they will eventually begin falling from the sky but for now, who knows. --Chuck

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Unisys "Micro A"

by allain＠panix.com

Unisys "Micro A" Anybody know about such a system? I took in a stray cat system a few months ago, started parting it out, saw something interesting, then put it all back together again. Today I booted it up (fits on 15A, hurrah!) and determined the following: Base system: Intel mobo w/8MB Adaptec SCSI OS/2 on SCSI disk internal SCSI tape (QIC) external SCSI tape (DAT) VGA card Add-Ons: Unisys "Micro A" CPU card (perhaps DC113) daughter memory card two multiplexed serial cards Another Adaptec SCSI card, apparently for the Uni half of the system. Another Internal SCSI drive two external drives Surprized it actually does stuff. The "Micro A" system is controlled by three OS/2 Apps: Admin, ODT 1, and SCS (System Control Subsystem) (nice name) (huh?). ODT 1 is a cryptic CLI system, SCS is a boot console for the HW Anybody got any beans to spill on this? is it just a big printer controller? I noticed the Micro A is apparently microcontrolled. What was it sold for? John A.

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