- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 12:41 AM 7/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody remember John Dvorak's "IBM and the Seven Dwarfs" columns >in Computer Shopper a few years ago? He gave a short history of a >dwarf each month. I should have saved them... //quote IBM and the seven dwarfs was a phrase from the mid-'60s, when IBM ruled the market. By 1965 IBM had a 65.3 percent market share; the seven dwarfs shared the rest. This month's tale concerns Burroughs Corp., one of the dwarfs; the others were Sperry Rand (formerly Remington Rand), Control Data, Honeywell, General Electric, RCA, and NCR. // burroughs http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9710/cshp0040.ht… sperry rand http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9711/cshp0115.ht… ge http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9712/cshp0087.ht… honeywell http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9801/cshp0098.ht… control data http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9802/268189.html ncr http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9804/288538.html rca http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/stories/reviews/0,7171,278591,00.html feedback http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9811/352639.html

25 years

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Questions about VMSTPC

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Hello everyone, An acquaintance of mine is having trouble either compiling and/or using the VMSTPC package under Alpha OpenVMS 7.1. Is anyone running VMSTPC under OpenVMA 7.1 on an Alpha? If so, would you be willing to talk to him? He's trying to read magtapes that are over 10 years old, so it's as on-topic as you can get... Thanks in advance, -doug quebbeman

25 years

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OS/2

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/28/01 7:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1667.monmouth.com writes: << > Bill Pechter skrev: > > >I'd liked a cross between OS/2 and VAX/VMS... maybe with FreeBSD > >thrown in. > > Isn't that Windows NT? Not if you have to use the GUI to admin it and reboot to change network addresses. > > >Always liked OS/2 and always will. IBM was screwed by M$ who kept > >changing Win32 and keeping new apps from running on OS/2. > > So what? OS/2 is OS/2 and Windows is Windows. You can't just rely on some > other OS vendor to supply you with the right API and applications. > > But M$ promised if you code to Win32S it would be portable to OS/2, > Win3.1 and Win95/NT and kept changing the DLLs to break it. .The only problem in OS/2 was if the Workplace Shell threads blocked and >locked up you'd lose the desktop... but all the server services >like network kept going. >Getting a prompt and login from Telnet was possible on OS/2 when it >wasn't standard in NT. >The ftp and telnet servers made OS/2 pretty compatible to >FreeBSD/Linux/Unix in what it could do on a lan. >> OS/2 v.3 had a single input queue which caused the problem where the desktop would not respond but the system will still chug along just fine. If you had a multithreaded foreground app that quit working, sometimes there was no way to break of it. Supposedly that was fixed in Warp 4 but i've still had it quit on me. Installing that program called Watchcat has saved me several times from rebooting. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

25 years

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VAXen

by jrussell＠apmsafe.com

Hello! My coworker and I are looking for an archival server that we can collect the files we use on and we want something with character, much like a VAX. I have seen your page and was wondering if you knew of anyone selling a VAX with SCSI capability. BTW, can we put a 36 gig drive into it? Nick

25 years

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Micro Cornucopia auction

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

Because of the interest, I have decided to hold a sealed bid auction for the complete set of Micro Cornucopia magazines. Every issue from #1 (July 1981, 16 pages) to #53 (May 1990, 96 pages) is here. The subheading started out "Journal of the Big Board Users", changed with #7 to "The Single Board Systems Journal", and finally changed with #23 to "The Micro Technical Journal". Topics covered included software--BASIC, Pascal, C, Forth, Smalltalk, Prolog, Wordstar, dBase II, CP/M, MS-DOS, and much more--and hardware--memory upgrades, EPROM erasers, a logic analyzer, video circuitry, even a complete Nat Semi 32000 chip set computer with circuit diagrams. The early issues have almost exclusively Big Board, CP/M, and Z80 content. The final issues have almost exclusively MS-DOS PC content. In the middle there is an incredible variety of hard-core technical articles. Almost all the issues are perfect. The early issues I purchased as back issues so they do not even have mailing labels on them. Issue 21, December-January 1985, has "Sample for Microsystems Readers" printed in red on the front; Micro Cornucopia was trying to pick up subscribers from Sol Libes' magazine that folded. That was my first issue and every issue >from #21 on has mailing labels on them. Issue 29 is damaged; it appears that this one was on the end of a bundle--the cover is scuffed and there are small tears at the top and bottom from the binding strap. End of auction is Friday 6 July 2001 at 8pm. Send bids to paul(a)wccnet.org. Highest bidder wins (duh!). Payment is by check or money order and must be received within 30 days (6 August) of auction end. Shipping costs are IN ADDITION to the bid amount. I can ship via US Mail or UPS. The magazines weigh about 24 pounds and would cost about $9 to ship USPS Media Mail without insurance. Shipping is from Monroe, Michigan 48161. No shipping charges if you pick it up, of course. I will repost this notice on Thursday. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA paul(a)wccnet.org

25 years

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Free Thinking Machines CM-5

by aw288＠osfn.org

Well, one cabinet of a CM-5. Stripped, too. Basically, it is somewhat like three standard 19" racks welded together. About 7 feet tall. Heavy as sin. No skins. Interesting provenence - it was one of the two machines used in Jurrasic Park. The blinkenlights panels will be removed to populate (and the extras to pay for) another CM-5. Located in either Providence, RI (if you pick it up *really* soon), or Carmel, NY. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

25 years

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New finds at a school auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Wednesday of this week I went to a school auction and came away 3 new in the box Apple II WorkStation cards, apple number A2B2088 dated 1987. Two are still sealed and the one that had been open had Ramworks III card by Applied Engineering inside also. I had to watch them pass (for no bidders) on 100's of Apple II's, apple floppy drive, apple monitors, some TRS80 model III's, pc stuff. I do not have the room to store all the stuff that they will be trashing. You could buy a lot for $1 (sometimes the lot would have over 100 items in it), the prices were right but just too much stuff.

25 years

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KIM-1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've just been offered a KIM-1 by a friend, and I'd like to give him something for it. Does anyone have suggestions as to its value? It's a revision G board, with a date code of 1178 (well, I assume that's the date code) and has the Commodore and MOS logos in the top right, with a large "F" and a small "8" stamped in black ink under the "KIM-1" name. It has all black plastic chips (not any white ceramic like some early ones), and the RAM chips are NEC 2102's rather than MOS 6102's. It's been well used but was working last time anyone tried it. Don't yet know if there are any manuals -- though I've found copies on the 'net. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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HP2748A papertape reader : connector ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Want me to look up the board for the 2748B? I own both a 2748B and the manual for it, so I can see what the manual says is correct... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years

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Pro350

by dittman＠dittman.net

I am in touch with a guy that has a Pro350 for sale. He wants $100 for it. Is anyone interested? I don't think he wants to come down any. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

25 years

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'Good' versions of VMS

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So now that OpenVMS 7.3 for VAX is out I'm hoping that the Montagar folks will do an updated VMS Media disk. If anyone has any contacts with the group that does that I would really like to help out. I'm pretty sure that we could build a pretty painless and much better organized disk than the 7.2 disk is. But that isn't really the point of this message. The point was made on a previous note about a ConDist set that it had VMS 6.0 which wasn't a "good" version of VMS because it was fairly buggy. That made me wonder if we could come to a concensus on what "good" VMS releases were out there? I happen to like VMS 5.5-2H4 which was, I believe, the last release in the 5.x line and thus pretty darn stable. It runs on pretty much every VAX and uses the "Modern" license management facility that the Hobbyiest licenses conform to. There is also a lot of software that runs on "5.5 and above" so that is good too. Finally its the last release that calls itself VAX VMS (rather than OpenVMS) which gives it a wonderful classic like feel. Then there is VMS 6.x, of which I've got images for 6.1 and 6.2 (no 6.0 but I opted to pass on the ConDist as well). Is there a release after 6.2 that sits between it and the 7.x release? Given the shortness between 7.0 and 7.1 I'm going to guess that 7.0 had some serious issues and 7.2 which is running on the VLC cluster seems quite stable. (using a patched UCX). Thoughts? What was the best V4.x release? V3? Does anyone have VMS 1.x and if so what processors does it support? As I recall on the 780 at school it looked a _lot_ like RSX-11M+ :-) --Chuck

25 years

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OT Celebration

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Greetings to our brethren in the 51st US state. > > > Wrong! Puerto Rico is going to be the 51st state. Canada will be the > 52nd. (We have to keep our priorities straight.) :-) Puerto Rico Estado? Uh Uh.... Puerto Rico Libre! (that was the consensus in San Juan... tho one guy said: "Puerto Rico Estado Libre", his way of saying "status quo, please". -dq

25 years

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Nope. Zorro I has 100 pins, just like Zorro II. The difference is that > the cards are nearly 12" x 12", not PC/ISA shaped. They didn't last long. > The only expansion box I ever saw that used them, lay flat on top of the > A1000, under the monitor, and provided two slots. I don't know if anyone > ever made any Zorro I cards other than FAST RAM. > The 86 pin connector is labeled Zorro on the RevA A500 schematics (the hand drawn ones) and a Zorro to Zorro II expansion circuit for up to 6 true ZII slots is there as well. There is no mention of any 12" x 12" form factor boards in any of the C= technical refs. I have for all the OCS/ECS machines up to A3000(T) Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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Any Luck With Bull?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Hello, Hans... It's been a while since we chatted, and I was wondering if the health of your friend at Bull had improved such that you could once again considering discussing with him the liberation of the Multics source code (and who knows, maybe a bootstrap tape). It'll be a shame if we have to rebuild using the MIT archive, but if that's all we've got, well... Regards, -doug quebbeman

25 years

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who bought that 11/785 maintenance manual from ebay?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, did you notice a few weeks abo there was a VAX 11/785 technical maintenacne manual up on ebay. If you are the winning bidder or if you have that manual from elsewhere or if you have bookmarked that auction and can give me the item number so I can contact the winner, I'd appreciate it. Any other ideas where I could get copies of 11/785 tech docs? Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

25 years

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fun with Standalone Backup

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So a bit of additional 'lore' which is probably obvious to a zillion VMS admins but was news to me. One can create a standalone backup tape that is both bootable into standalone backup, and has the system image on it. I did it as follows: 1) INIT the tape with label SYSTEM 2) @SYS$SYSTEM:STABACKIT Select MUA0 as the device Tell it _not_ to re-initialize. 3) Now boot this tape and at the prompt use BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DUA0: MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM Now go away for a while :-) Once its done you can boot the tape and restore with BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM DUA0: This saves me from having to change tapes in the process. On an unrelated note, I've got a Dataram MS650 board (MicroVAX III memory) and when it is installed it takes a _longish_ time to past the initialzation tests and standalone backup appears to hang when run. Has anyone seen this? Is this perhaps a bad memory chip that is being constantly repaired by the ECC logic... --Chuck

25 years

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WTB: Atari Portfolio

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

Anybody out there got an Atari Portfolio (in good condition) with manuals and 1 (or 2!) 64K memory cards they'd like to part with? If so, submit your offers off the list direct to me. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3, Disto 512K RAM board. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. "Butterfly": Tandy Model 200, PDD, CCR-82. "Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Titan graphics & MS-DOS board, Comrex HDD. "Scout": Otrona Attache. ____________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years

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PDP 11/34

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 1, 13:26, Mike Kenzie wrote: > The paper tapes are labelled: These are paper tape versions of XXDP+ diagnostics. There's some documentation on my web page about XXDP. Compaq still list the PDP-11 doc set: ZJADX-GZ PDP11 XXDP DOC. KIT $187.00 (By the way, does anyone have a copy of that? I'm curious to know how complete it is). > DZM91-D-PB Possibly a bootstrap loader or APT monitor program (for the diagnostics) > DZKMA-C1-PB MOS/Core diagnostic test, tests up to 124KW if you set 10000 in the switch register, otherwise tests 0-28KW > DZKAQ-F-PB Some kind of processor test (not processor-specific) or memory test (might be a core-specific test -- worst-case test patterns for core are different >from the ones used in ZKMA) > DFKTH-A-PB 11/34 CPU test > DFKAC-A-PB 11/34 CPU test (part 3) > DFKAB-C-PB 11/34 CPU test (part 2) > DFKAA-B1-PB 11/34 CPU test, part 1 (main instructions) > DCMFA-D-PB MF11 diagnostic > DZDLA-F-PB DL11 serial line test (this might need a loopback plug) > DZDLA-F1-PB DL11 serial line test (same test, later revision, I think) Several of these tests change their behaviour slightly according to the contents of the switch register when you run them. I don't have the details for most of these tests (anybody got an XXDP microfiche set?), but taking ZKMA for example: bit 15 set = halt on error bit 14 set = loop in selected subtest (see bits 0-3) bit 13 set = don't print errors bit 12 set = enable memory management bit 11 set = enable parity testing (default is ignore parity bits) bit 10 set = halt after each sub-test bit 9 set = don't do program relocation (so it can't test all of memory) bit 8 set = test in blocks of 4K, and print the first failing bit in each block bit 7 set = enable "long galloping test" (takes a while :-)) bit 6 set = don't size the memory (normally the diagnostic tries to work out how much memory there is to test) bit 5 set = don't print "END PASS xx" (normally does this every time round the loop) bit 4 set = don't print anything bits 0 to 3 are used to select a single subtest. See bit 14. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years

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IBM 5151 Monitor Help Needed

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

I recently picked up (literally) an IBM 5151 monitor for my original PC, but can't figure out how to open it up. This sounds silly, but what can I say. Could some kind soul help me with this? There are a variety of loose parts rattling around inside that I would like to put back in their original locations before applying power. Thanks! Bill

25 years

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Paging Brian Roth

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Watch for the UPS delivery person on the 5th or so... --Chuck

25 years

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Victor 9000 Keyboard Needed

by vonhagen＠vonhagen.org

I scored a Victor 9000 (a cool PC "almost-compatible") on eBay, but need a keyboard in order to do anything "useful" with it. Does anyone happen to have a spare? It uses an RJ45-like keyboard connector, and seems to feature a fair number of proprietary keys. Any help would, as always, be appreciated. Thanks! Bill

25 years

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > Scanning printed material much above 150dpi is usually a waste > > as most printing is done at about 70dpi. > > What are you smoking, and is there enough for the rest of us? > We're talking old manuals here. Remember? OLD manuals. > 600 Dpi with resolution enhancement is very old technology > for laserprinters > Nobody, commercially, makes books on laserprinters. > If you can manage it, i would say scan at 600 Dpi. > Waste of time, effort and storage space. > scanning at 1/2 the target printer resolution is probably > the best you can hope for. > Scanning at just over twice the source resolution is the best you will ever get. More than that's a waste. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Wandering through the computer surplus I came across a commodore 2500 dumped in a box. I can't tell if it's complete. It was unusual enough for me to notice. Does anybody want it? I can make an offer for you and then ship it to you. There was a commodore 2000 manual next to it. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years

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MS-DOS version (was: What's best to do?? classically speaking

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

large disk support?? dos has supported partitions over 32meg since at least 3.3 hasnt it? I think version 6 had Antivirus support and dos 5 was the last version you could install on a set of floppies (or at least the setup program would let you) In a message dated 6/22/01 12:37:07 PM Central Daylight Time, RCini(a)congressfinancial.com writes: << DOS5 == DOS6 differences: SmartDrive disk cache Boot menus "Large disk" support in FDISK Drive compression That's what I can come up with without looking. How far off am I? >>

25 years

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'Good' versions of VMS

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >> How is the lack of V7.2-1 a problem? There's nothing it can do that >> V7.2-1H1 can't. > >From a Hobbyist standpoint it's not. However, if I understand things >correctly it's only *supported* on a very narrow list of hardware. Of >course any commercial shop probably had their V7.2-1 CD's long before >V7.2-1H1 came out. > > Zane V7.2 is quite old, around 3 years maybe more. Also one must remember/recognize "DEC" supported means they will answer questions or fix it. Unsupported divers abound in even 7.2 for older hardware. >From my perspective any version newer than 5.2 is good save for the standard ".0" releases as they will be buggy. Allison

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > than 1/100" so ok. 250dpi then. > > You're still going to get shitty quality. Why skimp on something that is > supposed to be a preservationary resource for the future? > But I don't. I get good quality. It's the information I want to preserve, not the physical document. ASCII would do. > Your data set is way too limited to be making a valid judgement. > Examples don't need to be comprehensive. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> What the hell is a Commodore 2500? > Big box Amiga. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > My OCR does fine at 150 dpi on nearly everything > > That's what counts. > Which, I think, is where I came in ... > A good context sensitive OCR program should be able to operate > at well BELOW the source resolution -- it needs to differentiate > the characters, not necessarily see all features. (for example: > serifs) And with good enough context sensitivity, a lot of them > can be interpolated even if not recognizable. > 150 dpi scan, red filtered, greyscale and contrast enhanced makes for good text and line drawing reproduction. Printed out on a halfway good printer, an HP Laserjet, interpolated to 600 dpi, and it looks better than the original. > > This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet .... > Is Outlook, etc. so incredibly porous that it's necessary to scan plain > text messages?? > It's corporate parano^h^h^h^h^h^h policy, but I didn't know it was on outgoing mail as well. Must remember to encrypt outgoing viru^h^h^h^h e-mails in future. > Are you the one whose system sends an automated response every > time somebody sends an infected attachment to the list? > I don't know. I do know I get sent a "Someone has tried to send you unauthorised code" warning e-mail instead of the original message. Then, if I want to see the message, I have to e-mail Star and they e-mail me back a disclaimer form which I have to print out, sign and fax it back. Then go to a web page and use an id number and password, which is only e-mailed to me after they get the fax, to retrieve the message. They won't even Cc the text of the message to me without all this hoop jumping. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> How is your OCR doing? THAT might be a better measure for > whether what you are doing is working. > My OCR does fine at 150 dpi on nearly everything and is much faster than working with 600 dpi source. The spellchecker gets most of the errors. It has to, I can't spell. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> 70 DPI would be something like a 9 pin dot matrix printer. > The definition on those 9 pin dot printers is about 100dpi but the resolution is much less, possibly less than 50 dpi. The Transtel printer here is lucky if it can print a straight line. > If a manual was phototypeset on a CAT phototypesetter (most > popular phototypesetter in the publishing industry in the mid > 70's.) then the resolution is 2000dpi (they spec it in lines/ > millimeter but my recollection is that it was about 2000lines/ > inch after conversion) so those manuals should be scanned at > 4800 dpi right? > No, the resolution may be 2000 lines/inch, the definition won't be. I doubt you'll find any feature, even on good copy, smaller than 1/250". On old manuals I would be suprised to find much, if any detail smaller than 1/100" so ok. 250dpi then. > Basically, I think you may be mistaken on a few of your numbers. > Not really, just looked a two books, TI TTL data book 1979 and Radio valve data 1966. The TI book gets to about 125 dpi at best, but is on coated paper. The Radio valve data book barely manages 80 dpi and is on uncoated paper, typical for manuals. >Scanning at just over twice the source resolution is the best you Hmmm ... for "resolution" read "definition" .. well it is 3AM. 8^)= Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

25 years

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Franlin pc 8000

by ljcst18+＠pitt.edu

Hello, Does anyone know anything about a franklin pc 8000 computer? I sure don't. I was just curious if its worth keeping around. Thanks Luke Cashdollar

25 years

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by cmurillo＠manizales.autonoma.edu.co

Thanks to everyone who replied! So far, the verdict is the following: 1) the modular systems are NGEN from Convergent Technologies; they have 80186 cpus, which make them B25 modules (thanks, Paxton) or CM001/8; they do operate from 36V externally supplied by one or more brick-style power supplies with RJ-style connectors; no hard disks were found with these, although, considering the manufacturing time frame, it is conceivable that they were entirely floppy-based; these units had dual floppy disk drives attached. I hauled a box with lots of docs and diskettes, but I have not had the time to go through it; the stuff might not be related to the Convergent systems. So, I need to (a) find a way to provide these systems with 36VDC, and (b) look for any related floppies; it may be that these machines can't be used without a password. 2) The Datapoing 1550 seems to be a diskless computer; there is a connector in the back that might have been used to connect a floppy disk drive or something else. I have spotted a couple of burned caps in the power supply (the computer smelled, so it was clear from the beginning that I could not take the chance of turning it on unchecked). There is a card cage in it, but I haven't taken anything but the cover off. carlos. -- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez email: carlos_murillo(a)ieee.org Universidad Autonoma de Manizales, Manizales, Colombia

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 Bill Bradford wrote: > > Your best bet is to take the books and have the binding cut off > > professionally. Then scan in the pages one at a time (not two). I > > personally believe Adobe Acrobat is the best way of doing this. Although > > I realize there are people here that are against Adobe Acrobat. > > I'm scanning them in as 100dpi grayscale GIFs, then I will convert to > other format(s) and eventually to PDF. Scanning directly to PDF with > HP's software produces horrible output with compression artifacts. 100dpi is too low a resolution; it is little above monitor screen resolution, and small text may be illegible. Future OCR-ing of the scans would likely be unsuccessful too. A better alternative is to scan at a reasonably high resolution in monochome (two colours, black and white), say 300dpi or 600dpi. Most viewer software renders the scanned pages on-screen in greyscale anyway, and output when printed on paper is far better. Bilevel images compress losslessly very well, *much* better than greyscale. If there is spot colour in the original, it would in theory be possible to scan at equally high resolution with little impact on file size. (E.g. VAX/VMS manuals have some text in red, so there are essentially three colours; white, black and red.) You would have two images which could be overlaid on each other. If anyone knows of a software package that will work like that, please let me know. Depending on your scanner and the paper thickness, you may find that text from the opposite side of the page "shines through", especially in greyscale images. You can put a sheet of black card or similar on top of the page to be scanned to reduce this effect. -- Mark

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Old stuff found + help identifying...

by cmurillo＠manizales.autonoma.edu.co

A few days ago one of the storage rooms at the university was cleaned up and I grabbed all the computer-related stuff that I could. Not a lot of variety, though. Besides >from the wintel carcasses and Mac plus remains, I found one Datapoint 1550 and several modules from a type system that I have never seen. The cpu, floppy disk drives and graphics modules snap onto each other's side very neatly. There are several of these systems, with the corresponding monitors and keyboards. Alas, the only power supply unit that I found is incomplete and badly damaged. Do you guys have some info about these systems? Pics can be found at http://jimulco.autonoma.edu.co/~carlos/hp/datapoint_1550.jpg http://jimulco.autonoma.edu.co/~carlos/hp/modularsystem.jpg These pics are about 70K. They'll probably load slowly; we're bandwidth-starved these days. -- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez email: carlos_murillo(a)ieee.org Universidad Autonoma de Manizales, Manizales, Colombia

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preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hello, > I'm scanning them in as 100dpi grayscale GIFs, then I will convert to > other format(s) and eventually to PDF. Scanning directly to PDF with > HP's software produces horrible output with compression artifacts. 100dpi is too low a resolution; it is little above monitor screen resolution, Scanning printed material much above 150dpi is usually a waste as most printing is done at about 70dpi. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

I've got a MCA SCSI controller that I'm not using. It came to me in a box of MCA and EISA stuff and was working when it was pulled from it's machine. I was hoping to get an EISA SCSI controller.. Hmmm... if anyone in interested in a swap.... - Micah S. mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com SUPRDAVE@aol.com@classiccmp.org on 06/28/2001 02:49:20 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? In a message dated 6/28/01 1:46:05 PM Central Daylight Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: << >Only thing I don't like is a lack of fast SCSI cards. I have all kinds >of good scsi cards for my EISA computer, but not my Microchannel. I SCSI MCA cards are so common in the systems I find I don't bother to keep them anymore. Want to explain the above so I understand what to look for? >> there's plenty to choose from, scsi with or without cache, or you can even get some of the better scsi controllers out of the 9595 models. I have several non IBM MCA SCSI adaptors which Ive installed in some pre-existing SCSI-equipped PS2s just so I have a standard external connector to work with. Those IBM external cables are getting hard to find.

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Micro Cornucopia magazines

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

I have a complete set of Micro Cornucopia magazines. Does anyone here want them? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

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Whats a reasonable collection?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Wed, 27 Jun 2001 9:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> writes: << Vance Dereksen skrev: >Responses inline: >On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote: >> >BTW, I'm also very fond of MCA. Just glad I haven't got on my own desktop. >> >=) >> >> A model 9595 was the first computer I was really impressed with >> mechanically when I opened it up. Its built like a Porsche, and actually >> LOOKS good internally. >The 8595/9595 is an excellent machine. Another one that I like very much >is the MCA/PCI IBM PC Server 320 (8640). I spent this day evaluating all my disk brackets to see if one of them would fit the 95. No such luck. I guess I'll have to work something out with a saw and some plywood. Then I spent the evening manufacturing drive power cables, since the 95 power supply has got sockets just like those on drives, as opposed to plugs prodding out of it as on every other PC PSU I've ever seen. Then I carried a big, heavy SCSI drive back home so as to get it up and running with a reference partition. >> I have a couple dozen of various models, with about a dozen 9595 servers. >> One of my big scores in the auction last month was a box of 3Com MCA 10bt >> cards I had been trying to buy for a year or two. >I am trying to find some of those 100Base-T Olicom MCA cards. >As spartan as my 95 was when I got it, at least it had >one such card and an MO drive >Now, if only it had support under some decent OS... whaddya mean? It's got great support for a superior OS! OS/2 of course. Ive gotten warp server, warp connect and OS/2 version 4 running on some 95's I have. Easy and painless, although time consuming install. I believe the 9595 series are on the NT4 compatibility list...

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65xx Chips still available

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I know that some sources for these chips are drying up and the 02 and 22 are only available in quantity from CMS. Well, I've been contact with Rockwell and it seems that their Conexant spinoff (the old Rockwell Semiconductor) still manufactures 65xx-series chips. I haven't contacted their distributor yet to find out quantities, etc. but I'll report back when I have more information. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Anybody interested in these : CBM 8023P (IEEE) printer and AES7100 (Lanier dedicated WP)

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all from Montreal... I recently got a very nice fully equipped (docs, software, disks, manuals, cables etc...) SuperPet. Private original owner. A-1 condition. It came with a 8023P (IEEE) printer, I dont have a lot of space for this printer...So anyone wants this (just the printer!), I am ready to let it go for anything slightly interesting in return...There is also the manual and a spare ribbon (brand new) for the printer Also, I have decided to let go my minty AES7100 dedicated WP. Its in extra clean shape and boots with the 2 hard sectored floppy disks that were in it when I got it. This thing is one piece odd looking machine :monitor, drives and cpu...it would have to be taken apart and shipped in several boxes. There is the very slight chance that I might be going to VCF east....very slight...If you dont know what a AES7100 looks like look here: http://www.total.net/~hrothgar/museum/AES7100/ ....not mine but identical...mine works and the machine boots... I am mostly collecting non x86 home/hobby machines, also looking for semi recent SGI or Sun stuff to play with.... I am posting here because I dont use ebay to buy or sell and these will likely go to garbage soon if no takers. Thanks Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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MCArchitect (was: Whats reasonable...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I put some effort into the Peddle/MCA issue and found nothing yet. > Personally I'd be mildly surprised if an individualist like CP would've > been found at IBM at the time. I checked BYTEs 6/87,7/87 and found > no mention of any architects. In general, IBM did not celebrate the > individual above the team. Few counterexamples: John Cocke, > Benoit Mandlebrot, ? I suppose a specialist could've found out more > at a specialist event line a "Buscon" or the like. Ok, The Chief Architect of IBM's Micro-Channel Architecture was <drum-roll, please....> Chet Heath. My bad. -dq

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A little HP9877 info

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > If the 9815 encoding is idential physically the 9825 one (that is to say, > a 9815 tape read at the 9825 speed contains the data encoded as above > with the same frequencies as the 9825 uses) then the 9877 can read it. If > not, then IMHO it can't. And since the 9815 and 9825 tape controllers are > very diferent, I think it's unlikely that the 9877 (which uses a > controller that's essentially the same as the 9825 one) can handle 9815 > tapes. Pity. Here's a snippet from _Mid-Range Calculator Delivers More Power at Lower Cost_, by Douglas M. Clifford, F. Timothy Hickenlooper, and A. Craig Mortensen, in the June 1976 HP Journal: "...It was determined that a level of performance below that of the 9825A Calculator (see article, page 2) would be adequate, so the search speed was reduced to 60 ips and the read/write speed to 10 ips. The recording density was set at 500 bits per inch. Because of these reduced demands all of the encoding and decoding of the bits can be done in firmware. Also, a frequency-lock control loop is used for the motor control instead of a more costly dc servo (more about this later)." Does that give you any clues? Unfortunately I don't think it says anything about the recording density of the 9825 tapes. -Frank McConnell

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Unibus / Qbus bus drivers and receivers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >At 09:30 PM 6/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Well, the question is "how worried about ringing *should* I be in a >>single backplane configuration if I use bus drivers which have a >>rise/fall time of 9 ns, when the bus spec says that the rise/fall >>time of bus drivers must not be *less* than 10 ns?" >> >>I'm guessing that it will probably be OK, but I really want this >>thing to "work first time" and be reliable so I feel a little >>uncomfortable cutting corners like this right at the outset. > >I take it you are worried about violating the AC spec that reads in part: Generally speaking Qbus is very robust and the design rules are not easily broken nor the bus. Standard devices like LS244 and LS245s work quite fine from expereince. Stick with 74LS or 74L if you have them or can find them. CMOS in the 74HC, HCT and friends however are a bad choice for interfacing the bus, though they may be acceptable in down stream logic. Remember the bus is terminated to avoid pain. Allison

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e-mail comments (was: Re: Whats a reasonable collection?)

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>@classiccmp.org on 06/29/2001 02:44:27 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? Personally, I would rather see a persons comments *above* the quoted material. That way, I read instantly if I am interested rather than have to scroll down. And yes, I am lazy although I would sometimes prefer to call it efficient :). Iggy Drougge wrote: > > Chad Fernandez skrev: > > >What? How am I ruining anybodys quoting? > > Yes, since you put your comments about the quoted material. > > It look like this: > > 4 > >>>1 > >>2 > >3 > > -- > En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. > > Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. Interesting... the > >>>1 > >>2 > >3 format of e-mail reply is by far considered the "old style" (kind of fitting for a classic computing list) It was the M$ backward'isation (new technical term) of putting replies at the top of an e-mail implimented in Outlook that forced most folks to change. Netscape Communicator used to default to replies/comments at the bottom, but now defaults to the top. (thankfully you can change that for those of use who have relied on e-mail long before e-mail was cool.) And now I'm stuck using bloody Lotus Notes which also defaults to putting my reply at the top, and refuses to insert a > before each line of the original message. - Hmmm... I'm sounding more and more like a crochety old fart. <grin> It's noce to be able to read linearly through an e-mail. - Micah S.

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qbus prototyping

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

Douglas Electronics appears to be still in business, and some Qbus proto boards are listed on their web page: http://www.douglas.com/hardware/pcbs/breadboards/digital.html http://209.35.53.132/hardware/pcbs/breadboards/digital.html I emailed Vector a month or two ago, and the person who answered me could find neither boards or knowledge of them: "Sorry, Jonathan, this is not something we make at present. We moved about 4 years ago and trashed a lot of the old dwgs. etc. It doesn't look familiar." -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Davidson" <michael_davidson(a)pacbell.net> To: <brian> Cc: "Jonathan Engdahl" <engdahl> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Re: qbus prototyping > OK - actually I believe Jonathan already asked that question > earlier I just hadn't got around to replying to it and I didn't > notice that my reply went just to you and not to the entire list. > > Anyway, as you can see I have more stuff here than I could ever > use and I would be perfectly happy to part with one or two of > them if someone has a good use for them. > > Michael > > Brian Knittel wrote: > > > > Thanks for the detailed info, Michael. I'll forward > > it to Jonathan Engdahl -- maybe these part numbers > > will help him find a source for the things. Apparently > > most supply houses no longer even remember what qbus > > is. > > > > brian > > > > > > Brian Knittel wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > What sort of prototyping board are you planning on using? Someone > > > > was asking about the availability of prototype boards just a couple > > > > of weeks ago and no one responded. > > > > > > I have several Qbus prototype boards which I acquired last year as > > > part of an auction on eBay. I'm not sure yet which one I will use > > > for this particular project, but here's what I have ... > > > > > > 2 x DEC W943 > > > 1 x MDB MLSI-WWB1 > > > 2 x Douglas Electronics 9-DE-11 > > > 2 x Douglas Electronics 12-DE-11 > > > 1 x Douglas Electronics 9-DE-8 > > > 2 x Vector 4607 > > > > > > The DEC W943 is a dual height module originally populated with 25 x 16 > > > pin DIL sockets, complete with wire-wrap pins on the component side of > > > the board, power tracks and decoupling capacitors. On each of these > > > boards 2 of the DIL sockets have been removed to make way for a 40 pin > > > connector. > > > > > > The MDB MLSI-WWB1 is a dual height module laid out with power tracks, > > > solder pads and component side wire-wrap pins but no sockets. It could > > > accomodate 30 x 16 pin DIL sockets and up to 6" worth of up to .6" > > > pitch DIL sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 9-DE-11 is a dual height card populated with 18 x 16 pin > > > DIL sockets and 2 x 40 way connectors. The board has power tracks and > > > decoupling capacitors already fitted. All connections to the sockets > > > and connectors are brought out to wirewrap pins on the component side > > > of the board. There is also an unpopulated area of the board where > > > you could mount up to 5.8" worth of up to .6" pitch DIL sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 12-DE-11 is a dual height card populated with 18 x 16 pin > > > DIL sockets, and with two unpopulated areas each capable of holding > > > up to 5.8" worth of up to .6" pitch sockets. > > > > > > The Douglas 9-DE-8 is a quad height card laid out with power tracks > > > and solder pads for 60 x 16 pin DIL sockets, and an area where you > > > could mount up to 9.6" worth of up to .6" pitch DIL sockets. At the > > > top of the card there are solder pads for 4 x 40 way connectors. > > > This is a bare card with nothing mounted on it. > > > > > > The Vector 4607 is a dual height card, drilled on .1" pitch with solder > > > pads for connecting to the edge connector and nothing else. > > > > > > > > > A few of these cards had been used for (apparently unfinished) prototyping > > > efforts - they are all in good condition and should be reuseable without > > > any problems - the Douglas quad height card and the MDB dual height card > > > have obviously never been used and are in excellent condition. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. > > _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 > > _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com > > _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com >

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Canofile 510

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, This is kind-of-on-topic given the recent thread on scanning old documentation. I recently picked up a Canon Canofile 510 document imaging system, and associated laser printer and external MO drive. I think these were sold cira 1992-1995. It has a 1280x960-pixel mono LCD screen. You load up sheets to be scanned and it pulls them in one-by-one. Can scan both sides of each sheet at once. Can scan up to A3 size, but this is pretty lame; you must fold A3 sheets in half before feeding them in. Maximum speed is (from memory) 50ppm for normal res. Fine res (200x200dpi) is half that. That resolution is lower than ideal, but I could still find some use scanning old manuals etc.; an electronic version is better than no electronic version at all. The Canofile is very proprietary; it has a built-in magneto-optical drive which uses 512MB double-sided disks. Transfer of scanned images to a PC (and saving in a standard format) is possible. The disks, apart from being double- sided, are physically the same shape as NeXT MO disks; not surprising since Canon made NeXT MO drives. Unfortunately, investigations so far suggest that reading NeXT MOs on a Canon drive (connected to a PC, Mac, Amiga or whatever) may not be possible. If anyone in the UK (or USA I guess; sending printed matter from USA to UK costs about $1 per lb) has a loose-leaf manual or two that they would like scanned I can give it a try. Quality won't be amazing, but should be sufficient. -- Mark

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CD Writer for a uVax II

by petersd＠SEDSystems.ca

I am looking for way to get data out of a microVax II running microVMS 4.6 onto a CD ROM. The way I figure it if I can find a CD writer than works in that configuration I'm done. But I can't seem to find out whether this is even possible let alone where to buy a CD like this. Any suggestions? If the CD Writer is an impossibility then my next approach is the put a network interface on the uVax II and send the data I need to a more recent vintage. Dave

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MCA & EISA SCSI (too many TLAs)

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

I'll take a look this weekend. My collection has moved from my apartment bedroom (my wife is thrilled) to a friends two stall garage and the attic above it. (Well, half of one stall is taken up with an old VW bug and a VAX - not sure which one is bigger, but both run ) As far as EISA goes, narrow would be more than sufficient. - Micah S. Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> on 06/29/2001 12:24:42 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org, mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com cc: Subject: Re: Whats a reasonable collection? What is the brand is it? Is it Wide or narrow? What do you need in the way of an EISA SCSI board? I have a couple 174x series from Adaptec that aren't doing anything. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA mjsnodgr(a)rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > I've got a MCA SCSI controller that I'm not using. It came to me in a box > of MCA and EISA stuff and was working when it was pulled from it's machine. > I was hoping to get an EISA SCSI controller.. Hmmm... if anyone in > interested in a swap.... > > - Micah S.

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Viking SCSI controller secrets?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi everyone, Is there some secret lore about Viking SCSI controllers that I need to get them to work? I've got a Viking QDT (dual wide Disk and Tape) that has V1.5 of the firmware. When I plug it into my VAX with two RZ55's in an expansion cabinet and type SHO DEV (MV3500) it says: UQSSP Disk controller (177xxx) -? Then finds the TK70 and adds UQSSP Disk controller (xxxxx) -? Its not exact but basically the system knows I've got an MSCP disk controller and a second TMSCP tape controller and when it asks them what devices they have attached the Viking seems to be answering ("I don't know.") Now if I hook it up to a box that had a couple of MO drives in it (an old Aspire cabinet) then it reports DUA0 (@0) and DUA1 (@0) and no tape (as expected, and it doesn't even print the -?) I don't have the funky cable to get to the RS232 port (although the Aspire box does, it doesn't seem to work correctly) Questions: 1) If I build a funky cable, which three wires do I use? 2) Shouldn't it just work? --Chuck

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OS/2

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I'd say the Workplace Shell is a problem in itself. It's so > very IBM-ishly unelegant. Stardock added plenty of elegance to WPS... but they got screwed by IBM dropping out, like other OS/2 ISVs... If you haven't seen Object Desktop for OS/2, I'll see if I can dig up some screen shots to point you at... Regards, -dq

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