- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by schvin＠schvin.net

Hello all, I've tried checking ebay every once in awhile for SunOS media, and the best I've found is the occasional box of documentation or whatever, but no media. I was not blessed with my very own unix machines until after Solaris had come to be popular, but I'd like very much to put SunOS on some of my sparcs now, just for grins. Does anyone know where one could pick up some SunOS media? I'm kind of hoping that there is a school or corporation that has a bunch sitting in a cabinet, or am I just pushing my luck, and most likely they've been tossed by unknowing or uncaring personnel? Or does one just have to get lucky and find someone with an extra set lying around? Thanks! George -- http://schvin.net/

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another DECServer question ...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so my DECServer has to boot its image rather than run it from flash. Not a problem, however when the system reboots it loses all of its configuration information as far as I can tell. Is this normal? Is there no NVRAM inside or perhaps I've got a dead battery somewhere? Alternatively, is there some way to "upload" the configured image such that I could boot _that_ and thus be preconfigured? --Chuck

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 18:13, George Lewis wrote: > I have not tried solaris 8 on a non-ultra machine, but may have to > just to try it out. I do know that 2.6 works on my ss2s. > > A friend of mine does have solaris 8 running on a 10, but that's > probably not terribly relevant. Sun dropped support for the Sun4c architecture after Solaris 7. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Wanted: Old issues of DEC Professional

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I ran across a Jan. '84 issue of DEC Professional in the last box of docs-and-such I got in; anybody got other back issues of this magazine they'd be willing to part with? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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another DECServer question ...

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Ok, so my DECServer has to boot its image rather than run it from flash. > Not a problem, however when the system reboots it loses all of its > configuration information as far as I can tell. Is this normal? Is there no > NVRAM inside or perhaps I've got a dead battery somewhere? Alternatively, > is there some way to "upload" the configured image such that I could boot > _that_ and thus be preconfigured? The configuration information should be saved. Are you using change, define, or set? If you you set, only the volatile configuration is changed. define changes only the permanent configuration, and change changes both. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Hans B Pufal wrote: > >I tried to get PCW interetsed in getting the collection scanned and on >line but had no luck. Perhaps it's time to ask again, just their OK to >put up scans more than, say, 10 years old would be helpful. At least they now make their magazine available on CD-ROM (both for subscribers and just straight purchase even if you do no subscribe). I think adverts and so on are omitted (apparently copyright usually rests with the advertiser), but all the articles seem to be present. No use now, but scanning wil be unnecessary 10 years from now :-) Antonio

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CTM-70 info

by Martin.Kaeser＠auge.de

Hello all, i located a CTM-70 desk size computer and need some more information. Here is what i have (correction welcome): CTM is probably short for "Computertechnik M?ller", located in southern Germany in the early 1970s. Mr M?ller produced one or two dozends of his computers, then CTM went out of business. He went on to design the hyperstone processor. The hyperstone company promised to take a look at their archive, but i did not get any response after this first one. The machine is built into a desk, complete with keyboard, monitor, printer and three 8" drives. There is no documentation on the machine, the only software is costum made. I am looking for information on the hardware, the operating system (if any), and pinouts of the keyboard, printer and monitor connectors. Thanks, Martin K?ser

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a stack of 11/03 / 11/23 qbus enclosures on my workbench out in my garage, and I've *never* seen hardware so *dirty* - this has a good 10-15 years worth of dust and dirt on it. Any suggestions/tips for cleaning and reassembling older equipment? Is there a FAQ anywhere? I know Dave M. mentioned using some kind of alcohol to clean backplane slots on his -8E... (I know, first rule: "document where everything goes") Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Foonly

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

"TRON" is also "Trace On" in MS-BASIC. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter [mailto:pechter@bg-tc-ppp1516.monmouth.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:13 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Foonly > > All this talk makes me wonder (and I know this question has been answered > > before, but I have forgotten): what equipment did they use to do the > > computer graphics in movie Tron? > > The "Flooney F1" which was a PDP-10 clone. TRON is apparently a PDP-10 > opcode. What I can't remember is what OS they used. > > Zane Foonly F1... I believe they ran a Tops-10 varient. Bill --- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

OT: When I was a kid, we used to have a 30' Wellcraft Scarab Offshore boat. Not only was it one of the first to have big blocks (Chevy 454's), we had 6-71's on them. This was back in the late 70's early 80's, when the professional offshore racers where CID limited, normally aspirated. Once a year they'd come to Lake St. Clair in MI for a race. They'd be all decked out in their flack jacket/life vests, full-face helmuts, and we'd BLOW past them with our stereo blasting, girls sittin' on the back in bikini's. Boy did THAT pi$$ them off! Gary > DQ wrote: > > [Memory lane, snipped] > > Thanks for that ;-) > > > I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's > > car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? > > I remember thinking that it looked like it had a 6-71 on it, and > Edelbrock certainly makes (or at least made) manifolds for > suck-through > applications of the 6-71. However I also remember the blower being > clutched, which made little sense -- unless it was a blow-through > application with some sort of bypass for when the blower was shut > down. > > Whatever. It had that nice 6-71 whine, which is what > _really_ matters :-)

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by marino13＠btinternet.com

Would be great if you could make that available to all of us. By the way, does anyone have any other stuff from old mags scanned and uploaded anywhere on teh web? I'm very interested in getting as much as I can, and also if anyone has any spare mags for sale I collect these too! Shaun > Paul Williams wrote: > > > Does anyone have Vol. 1, No. 2 of this magazine, dated June 1978? They > > reviewed the 380Z in that issue. I know this because No. 6 includes the > > following update, partially quoted here for the benefit of the other > > 380Z owners on this list: > > Yes I have the complete run from first issue till sometime in the late > 80's when the magazine became boring like all the others. > > I will dig out the article and scan it for you. > > Regards, > > -- HBP

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> My general reaction, is good luck! Your best bet at this point in > timewill be to track down /23+ boards with both the CIS and FP > installed (which > probably won't be easy). However, do you really need CIS? From > what I've > seen it falls more in the interesting to have, rather than the > need to > have, unless you've some sort of business need for it. My interest is about do some probes with COBOL and another compiler(s) that could take advantage of this option, checking the differences in speed and reliability with and without the CIS. Greetings Sergio

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Datasystems Design Board + RX33 floppies

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. Well, I think the title says all about this message. I have one Datasystems Design Board with one 26 (minus 1) pins. It appears to have attached in the past one DSD440 or 880 unit. I have no one of these actually, only one double DEC RX33 diskette unit. The questions are: * Can I use this board with this diskette units ? * What cables (or additional devices) I need ? * How do the system recognize the diskette units (RX01, 02...) ? I'll agree any information about these matters, thanks. Greetings and best Regards from Spain Sergio

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DILOG DQ-614

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

I've send some requests to more places and providers. You can be sure that I tell you the info when I have it. In fact, I'm interested not only cause of the RD52. I have in mind try to connect TWO hard disks. I think that could be possible to put two partitions (DL0 and DL1, by example) in the first disk, and DL3 and DL4 in the second. Mmmm... this takes me to ask another question: How much DL units (that is, RL0x devices) could be defined in one PDP-11/23 PLUS system (my personal object of study) ? This ask has a practical meaning: My system could has in a near future installed one DILOG DQ614 and one RL02 controller with one RL02 disk unit attached. And I has six RL02 cartridges that I like to use. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Fecha: Viernes, Agosto 3, 2001 3:10 am Asunto: Re: DILOG DQ-614 > > --- SP <spedraja(a)ono.com> wrote: > > Hello. I have one question to somebody that managed > > one DILOG DQ-614 in sometime. I've read the instructions > > of the DQ696 and the proceddings to access the ROM > > menu of this board appears to be applicable to the DQ614; > > that is, when I type: > > > > @7775000G > > > > ... in the ODT prompt of one PDP-11/23 PLUS, appears > > inmediately the '*' prompt. > > > > But, when I type 'FT', the prompt simply appears again. > > No menu. Nothing. If you send a break to the system, > > it makes appear again the @ prompt of the ODT. > > > > My interest about this is in access this phantom menu to > > be capable of partitioning and formating one RD52 Hard Disk > > that is connected to the board. > > I would love to hear more about this! I have had a DQ-614 for > over 10 years and have never been able to use it. Recently, > someone has posted the jumper settings on a web page, but I have > not managed to get the formatting software from anywhere. > > I had no idea there might be a hidden formatting menu. > > More! More! > > -ethan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messengerhttp://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >

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UC04 scsi board on one PDP/11 23 PLUS

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello again ! This is my final question about the boards that I have installed actually in the PDP/11 23 PLUS. Is one Emulex UC04, with one SCSI interface of 50 pin. I'd like to put it to work. Anybody knows where could be obtained information about this board ? Do somebody has aby practical experience putting it to work in one system like mine or similar ? Is there some special requeriment about disks to use ? I'll agree any info about this matter, thanks. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain. Sergio

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>Sure, but by 1976 the fastest production car being sold was a Lotus Europa >John Player Special with if my memory isn't too defective had 118 HP from a >1.6L engine. Zero to 60 MPH was a modest mid 6 second time, but I think it >was just enough to edge out Z-28, which had lots more power, but twice the weight. The Z-28 went out of production in the very early 70's and was not reintroduced until the 1978 model. So, there was no Z-28 in 1976. I'm not sure but, I'd assume the corvette was the fastest Detroit built car at that time. I had previously owned a 69 Z-28 and when I heard that Chevy was going to bring out a new one (78), I immediately ran to the dealership and ordered one. I paid the whopping sum of $6200 for it. It was a decent car but, the performance pales in comparision to the earlier ones. I don't recall the numbers but the '78 probably had < 200 HP. I just bought a new truck and It's got more HP than the '78 did. IIRC, the '69 was around 325 HP. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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VAX 11/785 as a workstation :-)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Last night I was browsing the UNIBUS/PDP-11 field guide on the > Web before I went to sleep. Then I dreamed of a VAX 11/785 with > an UNIBUS extension cabinet full of cards. Included was a 3, 4, > 5, or so card-set that together comprises a video interface. Hook > up a composite monitor or RGB monitor and there you have it: > > A VAX 11/785 as a workstation! > > Write a driver for X11R6 for it and off we go. Has anybody ever > seen those UNIBUS video monitor adapter sets? I suppose they > were meant for PDP-11s, but I think running them with a VAX > would be way cooler. Might not be possible, and certainly would > involve some serious fiddling. But in a machine that has 10 or > more cards for just the CPU, a 4 board video adapter would be > the appropriate thing, wouldn't it? :-) Read up on the VS100. It hooks up the the VAX 11/78x via a fiberoptic cable. IIRC, this was the original development platform for X11. Warning, there seems to be very little info available on the VS100. Zane

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > Would a hair dryer work, or would I need some heavy duty source of > high-velocity air? Also, would one need to pull all the chips, clean them > separately, and then reseat them once the board was dry? > > What about boards with core on them? I wouldn't get core wet...nor would I hit it with an air compressor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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FS: SCSI Scanner

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone in the S.F. Bay area need or want a UMAX 600DPI/30bit color/flat bed/SCSI interface scanner? Comes with scanner, software (PC Win 3.1/Win 95/Win NT), cables, terminator, and SCSI card (ISA). This was my scanner of choice until I upgraded to a USB based scanner. I can make you a good deal ($10 and its all yours, bwa-hahaha) or come by Saturday to our garage sale and bargain us down :-) --Chuck

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Bill Bradford wrote: > > On boards that don't have to many nooks and crannies stick them in the > > dish washer, but without soap, or very very little. The soap tends to > > corrode bare metal. I then hang on to them securely and fling the water > > off, as best I can, then stick them in front of a fan. If you have an > > air compressor you can stick all board in the dishwasher, and then blow > > them off. > > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? I've never been able to bring myself to do that myself, but I know of several people who swear by that method. One issue with that much water is stickers...most sticker solvents won't last through that sort of beating. > I've always thought that water was the mortal enemy of anything electronic, > at least while power was applied. 8-) On the table on the other side of this room I have a Sun monitor that I got from a surplus house for free. It had been sitting outside fully exposed to the weather for upwards of six months. I've had it for nearly five years; it's still going strong! Contrary to popular belief, water itself is a near-perfect insulator. It's the crap dissolved in, and the particulate matter carried by, said water that causes problems with electronics. If you can find Freon TF, fill a dish pan with an inch or so of it and dunk the boards. It will get the dust out of those hard-to-reach places. And it's also great with vodka. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DILOG DQ-614

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. I have one question to somebody that managed one DILOG DQ-614 in sometime. I've read the instructions of the DQ696 and the proceddings to access the ROM menu of this board appears to be applicable to the DQ614; that is, when I type: @7775000G ... in the ODT prompt of one PDP-11/23 PLUS, appears inmediately the '*' prompt. But, when I type 'FT', the prompt simply appears again. No menu. Nothing. If you send a break to the system, it makes appear again the @ prompt of the ODT. My interest about this is in access this phantom menu to be capable of partitioning and formating one RD52 Hard Disk that is connected to the board. Somebody know something about this matter ? Thanks Sergio

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Data General Nova memory boards

by rnlion＠its.caltech.edu

In the daily dumpster rounds today, I ran across a pair of large boards, about 15" square, each labeled "DGC Nova2 16K memory, (c)1973 by Data General Corp". They're designed to plug into a backplane with a pair of cardedge connectors, 100 pins each. (This is, I'm sure, a well-known bus, but not well-known to me. :-) ) The two boards are essentially identical, I think; the layout looks the same but one has a layer of green enamel over the traces and the other leaves them exposed. The center of the board is taken up by a slightly smaller board, about 10"x12", labeled "DGC Nova 16K memory stack". An aluminum panel unscrews to unfold from this board, revealing a large array of (I think) core memory -- correct me if I'm wrong on this. Whatever it is, a huge amount of incredibly tiny red and green wires woven together; quite beautiful in its way. The traces on the PCBs are quite pretty as well, artistically curving along their paths. Nothing at all like the autorouted boards you see today. Anyway, rambling aside, I don't really have any use for these boards. They both have pricetags on them saying $9.95, but I have no idea from when or where. So if anyone wants them for the price of shipping or wants to pick them up from Pasadena, CA, just let me know; I'll keep them around for a few weeks at least. Otherwise, maybe I'll (non-destructively) hang them on the wall. -Rob -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT/E d- s:- a--- C++(++++) ULS+ P+ L+ E- W++ N+(++) o K w+++ O- M- V- PS+(+++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP t- 5- X+ R- tv b++ DI++ D++ G++ e h+ r- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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[classic-cmp] Sharp MZ-80K Basic tape

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Hi, Does anyone have BASIC SP-5025 for the Sharp MZ-80K? If so, would you be willing to make a duplicate for me, or (if you've no longer got the machine) part with the original? I'd also be interested in any other hardware/software/manuals for this computer. Thanks in advance! Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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Circuit protection (was: RE: Latest addition : PDP 11/70)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:19 PM 8/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >> From what I understand, every conductor must be capable of carrying a >> current greater than the breaker that protects it. Otherwise, the cord >would >> be the first thing thing to fail in a overcurrent situation. This would >> present a very significant fire danger. > >In the context of building wiring, yes. Not in the context of appliance >wiring. 22GA zip cord, such as found on US lamps, isn't capable of >sustaining 20A@115V without heating -- and you can certainly plug a You have to look at it from the viewpoint of the load. For a receptacle, its wiring back to the box must be capable of handling the maximum load that can be plugged into it. For a lamp, or anything else plugged into a receptacle, the wiring must be capable of handling the device load. In the case of a lamp, 100W, 150W tops. You could get the right/wrong adapters and plug a table saw into the lamp socket, which would probably fry the zip cord if the saw could draw enough juice to start in the first place.

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> >Make sure any big Caps are discharged (actually, I'd avoid PSU's as >well), Otherwise, the materials used are all impermeable to water. at least HV SMPS! THose have enough high volts on the high side caps that discharge first is the rule. >Metal rust takes a few days in water to really begin and modern plastics >are waterproof, etc. Water does not cause rust for the most part, oxygen does! However if the water has any impurities or even soaps in it there is a risk of electrolisys (so, wash and dry quickly). >I wash in a tub of water to avoid the high temperature steam. >As for drying, I do a sort of toweling off, usually with paper towels, then >air dry for safety, 1~2 days. I put them in the dishwasher on the power saving setting (no reheater). I've done boards like MVII cpu, Qbus RAM, PDP-8f front pannel and most of the boards (not the core board, loose cores would be ripped off) I deemed too dircty for dusting. Success is assured as commercial cleaners for electronics assembly do that. Over the years (20+) Ive done this and it's a great way to degrunge the nastiest (esp cigarett smoke). It's a most do for any electronics that has had salt exposure (Salt eats metals!) as it tend to remain even after dried does become hydroscopic leading to long term problems. Key things: Not too hot. How hot it too hot? 200f (100c) or cooler is safe. most Semiconductors (transistors, diodes, ICs) will safely stand 150c (at the junction) so that is the way to hot point. once cleaned rinse well if any soaps were used. Isopropanal can be used to dry (dewater) but it must be 95% or better. Rubbing Alchohol is usually either 70% or 91% with the rest being... water! Dry as soon as possible and throughly. A 190F (87) oven works well or blow dry. If there are any moving parts, lubricate as required with the correct oil (or grease). Paper, temperature sensitive plastics and any suspect items like closed but not sealed items (relays, some switches) may need closer attention to insure they dont get wet. Oh yes, a note on dry brushes or vacuums... remember you may be generating static and even TTL can suffer long term damage from low level ESD. Allison

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investments.

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:07:12 +0200 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: Re: Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam > > investment (*2). Now there come in the few systems where a price > may be obtained, reasonable higher than average: e.g. Chicklet > PET, Altair, SOL, IMSAI, etc. And these are the systems where > investment outside of the hobby scene may take place. As a In that case I'll consider myself extremely lucky that someone has donated a chiclet PET 2001-8 to the museum with software, schematics and manuals and all it hopefully needs is a few RAM chips swapping. I've also been offered 2 other 2001-8's, one in supposedly mint condition and another in not as good condition as the donated one, and both were round the ukp100 mark. Keep up the collecting, adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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??? Spare mechanical parts for IMSAI 8080 ???

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/2/01 12:02:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gessler(a)ucla.edu writes: > I just acquired the shell of an IMSAI 8080 and am looking for: > Red and Blue switch toggles. > Jim Willing has the Red and Blue toggles. You can contact him through his web site. <A HREF="http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/">Jim's Computer Garage (museum)</A> Paxton Astoria, OR

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??? Spare mechanical parts for IMSAI 8080 ???

by gessler＠ucla.edu

I just acquired the shell of an IMSAI 8080 and am looking for: Red and Blue switch toggles. Front bezel. Aluminum cover. Can anyone suggest any sources? Thanks, Nick

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 2, 10:09, Bill Bradford wrote: > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? That's a common method of cleaning boards. I've done it many times. How do you think they're cleaned commercially, when they're made? The only thing to watch for are paper labels (part numbers or QC stickers) stuck on the chips or PCB. > I've always thought that water was the mortal enemy of anything electronic, > at least while power was applied. 8-) So long as you remove all the water (and anything dissolved in it) before applying power, what's the problem? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DRV11-WA question

by erice＠CAE.COM

Does anyone have any timing info for the DRV11-WA / DR11-W cards? I am working on a Microvax II to send and collect data from a serial link used in the CF-18 aircraft (The box is real, but it is sitting in the lab!). I am modifying the XADRIVER provided by DEC to customize to my needs. I am having a few problems however... The ATTN bit does not seem to latch in the CSR when I pulse the ATTN line. Further, if I pulse it withing a few microseconds of a transfer and the transfer was < 3 words long, I miss the interrupt. (The IE bit is always set) Further, if send several QIO calls via my application program, it seems that there is an awfully large gap between the transfers (250 us to 2 ms) , yet my system is basically sitting idle. I can't figure out if it's the OS holding up the IRPs or if there is a problem elsewhere... Help! Eric Everton Avionics Simulation Specialist Dept. 49 Eric.Everton(a)cae.com (450) 476-4484

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I don't recall it. What is it and when did it come out? It's "Three carburetors", and I'm clueless as to who it's done by... however, the flip side of the single (45rpm) was "Smoke! Smoke! Smoke that Cigarette": Well, I'm a cat with a heart of gold, With the ways of a lover, I've been told, So laid back I couldn't even hurt a flee. But if me and certain character met, The that invented the cigarette I'd chew that man out to the third degree It's not like I don't dig that scene myself Like, I keep a carton on the shelf I smoke them Filter Kings, and I ain't dead yet. dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (forgotten lyrics) dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (forgotten lyrics) I just gotta have another cigarette! Chorus: Smoke! Smoke! Smoke That cigarette! <nasal tenor> Smoke! Smoke! Smoke until you smoke yourself to death! dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (different forgotten lyrics) dah-dah-dah-dah-dha-dah-dah-dah (different forgotten lyrics) <nasal tenor> I said now Daddy Daddy smoke that cigarette! <insert another great walking saxomophone bridge here> -dq

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> > Did you just tell me to put CIRCUIT BOARDS in the *DISHWASHER*? Or > > do I still have a fever and am delirious.. ? > > I've never been able to bring myself to do that myself, but I know >of several people who swear by that method. > I usually dip the boards in a mild solution of "Simple Green", wash with a soft paint brush, then rinse with warm water. Just stand 'em on edge to drain or blow-dry with a hair dryer. They come out looking like new and seem to work just fine. I found a TRS MODEL 16 that had been in a chicken coop for 5 or 6 years. Let me tell ya, that sucker was nasty. Sprayed it down with the solution, rinsed with a garden hose, plugged it in. Works just fine and it has a clean "Citrus" smell to it. NOTE: I did have to relube the moving parts in the floppies but, that's all. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Computer Disposal

by headcase＠eclipse.co.uk

Just to advise that I am at last starting to dispose of my computers on eBay. See:- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261199368 The rest will follow shortly Jim Bunting

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BA23 expansion chassis for free, Tucson AZ

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have a DEC BA23 expansion chassis available to anyone who wants it. It has an 8-slot QBus backplane and power supply. I believe it to be working. To use it you'd need whatever cards were used to hook it to another backplane since I don't have those. It's one of the ones that doesn't have its own power switch, it powers up when you power up the main unit I believe. Oh, and it was rack-mounted. If anyone wants it I'll even deliver it anywhere in AZ (if you're patient). If you are really patient I could take it to southern CA next time I go that way. Gordon Zaft

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >You do have an option today. Buy a nice looking car and put an Edelbrock > >engine, four-barrel, intakes, etc. in it. > > Four barrel ???? That would be a step backwards. I'm currently > running 3x 2 barrels on an Edelbrock designed intake. (original 1970 Dodge > Challanger RT convertible with 440 six-pack) Anyone here old enough to remember this: Well, I stepped off the pavement into my cut-down-short... Cat in the next lane, says, "Man, you look like a real sport." He said "when that light turns green, I'm gonna dig out ahead of you." Well, I answered him back, like about the, only way I could... <- wrong lyric .......vvvvvVVVVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!! I got three carburetors.... ...twin pipes... I got three carburetors.... ...milled heads... I got three carburetors and no-body's passin' me... <insert walking saxomophone bridge> So, I pulled up to the stoplight, just my baby and me. Same cat pulled upside, he was GREEN with N-V. He said "man, what you got under that crazy, fat hood" Well, I answered him back, like about the, only way I could... .......vvvvvVVVVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!! ... Well, I wheeled off of the highway, and down under the underpass, when all of a sudden, I was like Ooo, out of gas! dah-dah-dah-dah-dom-dom dom-dom "Well, man, what happened?" dom-dom "I don't know, I can't dig this scene, something's gotta give" dom-dom "Well, fella, I dig on your predicment. You got ...three carburetors.... ...twin pipes... I got three carburetors.... ...milled heads... I got three carburetors and no-body's passin' me... > Gas mileage? What's that? Actually it's not too bad. I get > about 15-16 MPG on the highway. But you should see what the gas gauge does > when I put my foot to it and the second and third of carbs kick in! I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? -dq

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Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >: Re: Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/606595.asp?0nw=n18#hobby > > Hey. Very Nice, and well deserved I should add. > > The quiz asks "When was Windows first announced" > the missing punch-line is When was it delivered? Wasn't > this one of the most aggregious examples of vaporware, > where the product didn't ship for -Years-? In December 1983, I took a recent issue of some PC magazine into a Radio Shack, and showed them the Radio Shack ad with a picture of Windows 1.0 (or 0.75?) running on a Tandy 2000. I said this is what I want. They said we have the computer but we've never seen or heard of Windows. What's that? I do recall when I finally got a copy to play with, late '86 or early '87, but ISTR that Windows 2.0 shipped in '87. -dq

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Altair32 Update

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I've reached a major milestone in this project. The telnet console emulation code works, courtesy of my telnet guru Theo Pozzi. Right now, I'm using a small 8080 echo program (written by Theo) to read a character from telnet and echo it back out. Terminal output proves that it works. Whoo, hoo! Now, I'm going to work on getting Altair 4k BASIC running. I might have to do some tinkering to get the LOAD and SAVE functions working properly, but that should be a snap. Now the fun begins. I'll post the new code shortly. Rich

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> DQ wrote: > > [Memory lane, snipped] > > Thanks for that ;-) > > > I still get chills when I hear the blower on the 327 on Mad Max's > > car in the first movie... didn't that have an Edelbrock manifold? > > I remember thinking that it looked like it had a 6-71 on it, and > Edelbrock certainly makes (or at least made) manifolds for suck-through > applications of the 6-71. However I also remember the blower being > clutched, which made little sense -- unless it was a blow-through > application with some sort of bypass for when the blower was shut > down. > > Whatever. It had that nice 6-71 whine, which is what _really_ matters :-) Brrr..! :-)

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OT justice (flamebait) and cars

by mtapley＠swri.edu

OOooopsie. Guess we would have had to issue a formal posthumous apology. But it was an honest mistake, Dick, it sure *sounded* like an unprompted admission of guilt. The important thing, though, is it would serve as a strong disincentive to future illegal dumpster-divers. :-) >From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >...What's lying in the alley NEXT TO the dumpster because you or someone else >failed to put it in the dumpster is another matter. It is, after all, in the >public right-of-way.... > >Dick > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com> > >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: >> >> > No, though I've put a few in there. I have gotten some pretty good bridge >> > controllers, etc, from the dumpster's overflow. >> >> GUILTY!!! >> >> Send him to the molten iron vat! OB cars: 68 Plymouth Sport Suburban (think Fury III wagon). 5.2L (318 cu. in.). 100 mph on 280, in Sunnyvale. Not smart, but got away with it. 120 mph on 290 west of Dripping Springs, Texas. Got away with that too, of course. (Wups! Molten iron vat, here I come.) 220,000 mi, same engine but one rebuild. I'll take on *any* of you guys in a passenger-miles per hour contest - I have seat belts for 8 and have put 11 in the car at one time. Wife's car is a 2000 Dodge Sport Caravan. 3.3L, will burn E85 ethanol but they don't *&$& sell it in Texas! Sigh. Yes it has the spoiler on the back end, and no it's not useless - it provides some shade for the back window. Sigh. 1.5 years old, only been in the shop for recommended oil changes. One of the stereo speakers is out, but that's the only problem so far. I'll be good - next post will be about computers. I promise. - Mark

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Whats you oldest computer

by rachael_＠gmx.net

on 01-Aug-01 15:27:10, Iggy Drougge wrote: >Isn't Regnecentralen still in business? Or am I thinking about another line >of Danish computers? I think they went bankrupt and some parts of it got restructured, its now a software only firm. You might be thinking of superMax machines ? They are still in business, atleast they seems to support those unix machines. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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cleaning qbus enclosures

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 2, Bill Bradford wrote: > I've got a stack of 11/03 / 11/23 qbus enclosures on my workbench > out in my garage, and I've *never* seen hardware so *dirty* - this > has a good 10-15 years worth of dust and dirt on it. > > Any suggestions/tips for cleaning and reassembling older equipment? > Is there a FAQ anywhere? I know Dave M. mentioned using some kind of > alcohol to clean backplane slots on his -8E... I had to use alcohol to dissolve the goo that 30-year-old insulative foam turns into when touched. You likely won't need that for Qbus stuff. For the first step I would suggest compressed air. Then use a clean paint brush (I have one that I keep around just for dusting things off). On the metal and plastic surfaces I tend to use glass cleaner. Some people look at me funny when I do that, but it works very well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DEC VT180 (Robin)

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

I just picked up a DEC VT180 that seems to work except that it came with no software. Does anyone know where I can get a CP/M boot disk for it and/or the diagnostic disk? Thanks, David Betz dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com

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PDP 11/34

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Well I just picked up a car load of stuff. Manuals, disks and paper tapes, a VT100 terminal and 2 8" floppy drives. I left 4 RL05 drives, 2 racks and card cages behind for another trip. The 2 racks are not quite the same size but I didn't think that they'd tie to the roof of the Toyota. So I'll get a mover to haul the rest. In one of the boxes was what looks like a pair of electric pencils? Anyone in the Ottawa area interested in helping assemble these? How much of this do I need to get the system working, ie. can I put the a card cage and a drive in a smaller rack that will fit in the basement?

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old computers

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's someone with what sound like first revision IBM PCs. Contact him directly. Reply-to: <geo(a)jdm.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:17:36 -0700 From: GEO <geo(a)jdm.com> Reply-To: geomelissa(a)hotmail.com Subject: old computers Hi, A quick question. I am in New York City. I have a couple of early IBM PC's. 64k Motherboard, etc. I can not store these any longer. Is there any one you know who might want them? I also have a bunch of 286 stuff, and some oddball hardware that no one has ever heard of anymore. I have a 5 megabyte syquest removable drive, for example. Thanks in advance, GEO --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...), and increasingly OT

by technos＠nerdland.org

> > Do emissions laws allow this for newer car bodies? If one buys a > > 1990 > > Lincoln and stuffs a heavily modified 460 engine and C6 > > transmission, > > pulled out of a 1972 vehicle, into it, is it considered a 1990 or a > > 1972 > > vehicle for emissions standards? > >> > as I understand it, the car must have the emission controls that came > with > that year car body. so, putting a 1986 ford turbo engine in my 1979 > pinto > shouldnt be a problem. heh. > > -- > DB Young Team OS/2 > > old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: > www.nothingtodo.org If your state adheres to the EPA standard (voluntary), yes, it must run emissions fitting that years standard. Even then, it has to fail a check before they're even going to look at you funny. If not, well, they have a pretty high bar to prove 'unsafe equipment' and they generally don't press it. What use is bringing in a paid witness for $5K when the fine is a few hundred bucks? (Former owner of a 1989 F-150 with a 196o's 460 and a 1984 AMC wagon with a 1970's 360.. Jim, new to the list

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Chevy Vega Re: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/1/01 10:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: << On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > [someone wrote:] > > > >You do have an option today. Buy a nice looking car and put an Edelbrock > > > >engine, four-barrel, intakes, etc. in it. > > Do emissions laws allow this for newer car bodies? If one buys a 1990 > Lincoln and stuffs a heavily modified 460 engine and C6 transmission, > pulled out of a 1972 vehicle, into it, is it considered a 1990 or a 1972 > vehicle for emissions standards? >> as I understand it, the car must have the emission controls that came with that year car body. so, putting a 1986 ford turbo engine in my 1979 pinto shouldnt be a problem. heh. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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OT: HVD SCSI controller

by ken＠seefried.com

Yup...narrow diff is well defined. There's an X-Y matrix of SCSI standards that have X == single ended or differential and Y == [ async narrow (5Mb/s), sync narrow (10Mb/s), sync wide (20Mb/s) ]. Once you get to wide fast, Ultra SCSI (aka SCSI3) and LVD SCSI, et. al., things get a bit odd. My Sun SS20 has a nice wide diff SCSI controller (20Mb/s) with a 4GB Seagate disk. Makes a big difference over the narrow internal drives. Ken Seefried, CISSP

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OT: Cheap cars (was: 1%...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On July 30, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net> wrote: > > ..."BMW" (can you say "overpriced VW Beetle?") > > Hardly... a BMW has that large finny thing in the front that serves no > purpose in a Beetle. A Porche is an overpriced Beetle. Drop me a note next time you're in DC. I will change that opinion. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Whats you oldest computer

by rachael_＠gmx.net

I think the oldest I have is a Philips odyssey 2001 build in 1977, not a quiet a computer. I`m not sure about the age of my Regnecentralen RC702 piccolo, sadly its not working, I have checked the PSU, and on a reset the 360kb 5 1/4" starts spining. Does anyone have some infomation about those machines from Regnecentralen. Here in Denmark people seems to have forgotten all about the machines. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

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"Early" 3.5" diskettes (was: Wired covers VCF east

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Modern drives don't seem to mind missing shutters, and all of the early >drives that I've tried are happy with modern diskettes with the shutter >removed. So try taking the shutter off of a diskette and see whether >that makes the drive happy. Thanks, Fred... I'll have to try it again... The next part of the problem is trying to find such a drive to put on an -11, interfaced in such a way so that I can read/write the diskette. Then I could try loading up an RT-11 monitor and see if we can get the thing to boot. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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