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VFC East on Slashdot

by jhingber＠ix.netcom.com

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/04/188216.shtml

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Z8000

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 4, Tony Duell wrote: > > The Z8000 included the Zilog (later Exxon Office Systems) Zeus office > > automation Unix boxes... > > Wasn't 'ZEUS' the operating system (Zilog Enhanced Unix System or > something like that). The machines had names like the 'S8000'. > > I have one. It's about 2' square, and built from 4 slices about 9" high > each. The bottom 2 slices are emtpy (well, one of them has the > distibution panel for the serial ports on the back). The next slice > contains the hard disk (am SMD-interfaced winchester, possibly Fujitsu), > and the tape drive (QIC11 IIRC). The top slice contains the card cage and > the logic PSU. The boards plug in on DIN 41612 connectors. That sounds like a Model 21 or 31. ZEUS is indeed the OS as you said above, Tony. The family is called System-8000, and the model numbers are 11, 21, and 31. The bus is called Zbus (big surprise there), and was designed with multiprocessing in mind...the hardware supported plugging in multiple processor boards, but the OS was never extended to handle multiprocessor operation. The bus was actually designed for the Z8000 and Z80,000 processors, and the spec was released separately, and then the System-8000 line was designed using that bus. The one I had, a Model 31, was mounted in the optional 6' rack. It consisted of the same "slices" that you referred to, but rack-mounted. At the top was a Zilog-labeled CDC Keystone magtape drive. The Model 11 didn't use those modular slices...it's a small deskside tower design. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Personal Computer World magazine: RML 380Z

by celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk

I've just received some issues of PCW magazine, from 1978 and 1979. Pages and pages of adverts and articles about machines that I'd previously only heard about on this list, including the Exidy Sorceror and the SOL. I really considered that I'd struck gold when I came across adverts for the Research Machines 380Z because I had been wanting to know how much this machine cost for ages. There are several pages on the Web which quote prices for this machine, but never with any indication of the source and rarely with details of the configuration. The non-historians who put these pages up might as well have picked a figure out of the air! Does anyone have Vol. 1, No. 2 of this magazine, dated June 1978? They reviewed the 380Z in that issue. I know this because No. 6 includes the following update, partially quoted here for the benefit of the other 380Z owners on this list: --quote-- There have been several changes in the Research Machines 380Z since the PCW review of it in the June (No. 2) issue. The standard operating system has been extended so that the following are standard on all 380Z and 280Z systems. Normal cassette I/O is now at 1200 baud, but the option of 300 baud (standard CUTS) is retained. The screen output, unless selected otherwise, is scrolled one page at a time, the next page being called by typing any key. Continuous scrolling and scrolling one line at a time are also possible and all the different modes can be selected under program control. Printer and Serial Interface driving routines are now also included in the operating system, and direct connection may be made to parallel interface printers such as the PR40 or Centronics 700 range. Research Machines themselves are distributing the Centronics 779 and 701 and the Trend 800. Several specific criticisms or suggestions in the PCW review have been acted on: the fast cassette I/O is assumed as the normal rate, when the page is full in page mode the cursor blinks on and off, and loading can now be interrupted by a single key stroke at all times. The housing is completely new; a strong and attractive instrument case is used. There is the same room for system expansion and the case will fit into a standard 19" rack. Further features have been added to the BASIC Interpreters. A version is available which included the ability to read and write data files on cassette. It utilises the RML cassette file system and can be used with one or two cassette recorders. The RML Interactive Text Editor and the RML Absolute Assembler have been released. The Text Editor is character oriented and may be used in immediate mode; its uses include source program or data preparation. The Z80 assembler uses Zilog mnemonics and produces object code in either the industry standard 'Intel' format or the RML binary format. It contains its own text editor which uses a subset of the commands available in RML's full Text Editor. --end quote-- One of the other issues contains a tiny picture of the 380Z in its original white case. No piccies of the 280Z though. I'll put the rest of the 380Z stuff up on my site soon. I won't be doing much more typing today -- it's up to Olympia to the Great British Beer Festival for me! Regards, Paul

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Z8000

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric J. Korpela <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> >a Z8000. I toyed around a while with building an S100 bus processor card >for Z8000 (long after the both the chip and systems using the bus were no longer >in general production.) Never came to anything. I still have to processor >technical manual on my shelf. It's an interesting chip, but was a bit slower >than it needed to be. I have both Z8001(segmented) and Z8002(nonsegmented) parts both good for 10mhz. Not bad for parts in my bin fromt he mid80s. So much for speed. They are far better than 8088 programming wise. Allison

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Messick, Gary wrote: > Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309 It sure doesn't hurt to gamble. I personally admire his audacity. Some stupid person with way too much money might buy it, having read about the "classic computer craze" in the Wall Street Journal or something. Capitalizing on the stupid might not boost one's karma, but I personally have very little patience for the stupid...so more power to the guy. I hope he gets his money. It does irritate me just a little, though, because I've wanted an H8 very badly nearly all my life, and will likely NEVER get one if this one sells at that price. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Fw: O.T. But a good SBC deal for my PS/2 friends

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

"LaVasseur" <lavasseur(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:<20010804150755.14916.00004361(a)ng-cg1.aol.com>... > Hi Gang, > > I found a dumpster FULL of brand-new in-box Single board computers (SBCs) Made > by Texas Micro Now (Radisys) I have over 140 Intel pentium 100 Cpu's with 16 > megs of RAM on each, they have on-board SCSI, IDE, Floppy controllers and two > serial ports and paralell port. They come 5 to a case and have drivers and docs > and floppy cables. They come from a company that used to manufacture IP > telephony equipment using rackmount cases and passive backplane motherboards. > > The model name is P575/90/120 but I can't seem to find them on the Radisys > web-site the board says "greyhound 2 > > Sorry, I know this it off topic, but I know a lot of you tinker with other IBM > compatibles and other hardware hacks . These would be great for Linux MP3 > players and such. Check out the link below. > > http://www.maximumpc.com/route66/howto1_3.html > > I'm selling them for $50 per case or $10 each plus shipping . the CPU and > memory alone are well worth that. I'm in the USA, and I don't mind shipping > them overseas. I take paypal "lavasseur(a)aol.com" > > Once again I apoligize for the off-topic post but you guys have been great > friends over the years and I really wanted to pass this along.( alright, and I > want to make a couple of bucks :-) > > > > >

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VCF East makes The Economist

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's the web edition of an article on VCF East in The Economist: http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=719262 I don't know if the article is any longer in the print edition. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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MO drives...

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 Roger Merchberger wrote: > I'd love to find one (or a few) of the 3.5" 128Meg (or 256Meg) drives for > my classic computing needs - great archival capabilities, and with > 8-bitters, you don't really worry much about the speed... Both SCSI and IDE models are on eBay all the time. Used 128MB and 230MB drives (compatible with 128MB disks) usually go for $10-$30. New media is also cheap; 128MB & 230MB disks cost about ?2.20 each (+VAT) in the UK. They certainly make way more sense than buying a Zip drive. You probably didn't mean to write 256MB. There are two types of 256MB MO drives, neither of which is very common. Canon made the NeXT MO drive as well as a standalone model (which does not seem to be compatible with NeXT disks). They use 5.25" disks with 256MB per side. MOST (Mass Optical Storage Technologies, now out of business) used to make 3.5" MO drives. The RMD-5100-S used 128MB disks. The RMD-5200-S could also use 256MB disks, which as far as I know were only sold by MOST. The RMD-5300-S could use 128MB, 256MB and 384MB disks. 384MB disks are covered by an ECMA standard, but as with the 256MB ones only MOST made them. I have RMD-5200-S and RMD-5300-S drives, bought mainly out of curiosity. IF ANYONE HAS JUMPER SETTING INFO FOR THESE, PLEASE CONTACT ME! I would also like to get hold of technical manuals for these drives. > The only thing you have to watch for with the 5.25" drives is sector size. > The 600Meg platters are 512-byte sectors, IIRC the 650Meg platters are > 2048-byte sectors [[but don't quote me]]... Nope, 650MB disks have 1024-byte sectors. > 650Meg disks will *not* work in a 600Meg drive, They work fine. The main reason for having two disks with slightly different capacities is that some computers/OSes only work with media that has 512-byte sectors. If you have 650MB disks which won't work in a "600MB" drive, it's probably a software problem. > but thankfully my MaxOptics takes it's "special" 1G disks, but also > reads/writes to the 600Meg disks. (which is good, because the 1G disk seemed > to be bad. It wouldn't format without a *lot* of bad sectors.) Did you try cleaning the surface of the disk? That can help for disks which have been heavily used, and so have become dusty/dirty. -- Mark

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> >and the CIS carrier actually has 6 chips. > >As I mentioned in a prior post, I have an 11/23+ with CPU, MMU, >FPU and CIS, so I can prove it exists... I also have one like that plus another with the FFPU, a quad board that is a 2901C implmentation of the FPU and faster too. Allison

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Epson HX-20

by marko＠engia.se

Hi folks! I am quite new to this mailing-list, so it might be that my question has been asked before. Execuse me if so. I got one old (is there any new =) ) Epson HX-20 and i wonder if there is some manual or some other information about how to program it in assembler? Is there any hardware information so that i could know on which addresses the periphal is on and how to access it? Best regards Marko Krejic

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 21:56, wanderer wrote: > Hmm, > > I have an 11/24 board here with a twice the size of the regular cpu > chips mounted in socket 4 & 5. Socket 3 is empty, while the standard > setup contains 3 chips in socket 1,2 & 3. Would this be the CIS chip? Yes, it is. It's six control chips mounted in one "double-width" 40-pin package. Socket 1 is the MMU, 2 is the Data and Control package of the CPU, 3 is the Floating Point. The CIS can go in 4+5 or 5+6, and 7 (or anything unused by CIS) is "spare". I don't know if there was ever any other "microms" for an 11/23 or 11/24. Anyone seen any? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, David L Kuhn wrote: > Whoooooo, looks like a bargain for $25K. I'll take two! I wish eBay had a "wish bid" system...if the starting bid is Just Too Ridiculous, a non-binding "bid" that could be entered as an "in case you don't get any opening bids for this" situation. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Some interesting finds today

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

While out diggin around the local surplus electronics place, I came across what appears to be a set of VAX Field Service Diags on 8" floppy. Does anyone have any use for them? I have mostly PDP-11 stuff myself, but could use the media. They look like they're in fine shape, with coprights from 1978-86. These I picked up. Also other interesting finds: A couple of TRS-80 cassette tape games (titles I can't remember, a TK50 cart, a cipher cart tape drive (don't remember model number), and a hacked up (user wired a fuse into it) Atari power cube for 400/800 machine. These I didn't pick up. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I'll see what he wants for them. My email address is: Gary.Messick(a)itt.com

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HP Integral FS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Found this on E-bay. HP MODEL 207 9807A INTEGRAL PC Item # 1261307861

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Houston freebies

by nicko＠hal-pc.org

More housecleaning, free for pickup in the Houston area: - DEC chassis BA213 'skunkbox', badged DECsystem5400, unpopulated. VG condition. - MAC LC475, working - MAC IIsi - MAC Centris 610, complete, non-working - box full of '80s pc-related manuals, software - for any broadcast band dxers: box of DX News (NRC Journal)'91-'97 ... nick 0 281-516-1308

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I can't see an 8088, even pre-MSDOS/IBM, going for over $150 regardless. I > felt good about getting $25 for mine considering the markup from what I paid > for it. It's an 8080, not an 8088...and WAY pre-MSDOS. Tell you what...next time you one, I'll give you $300 for it. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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telnet interface for simh

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I've written a telnet interface to simh, so you can use your telnet client as a VT100 emulator for whatever you have running under simh. It is described on this page: http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/software.htm -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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How to get an M7554 (KDJ11-SD) working as a PDP-11

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I've figured out most of what you need to know to get an M7554 board working as a PDP-11/53 CPU, including the console pinout, most of the jumpers, and how to burn ROMs for the M7554-SD. It's all written down here: http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/KDJ11.htm -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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I'm new to this list

by lsprung＠optonline.net

Hello: I am new to this list, so let me introduce myself. I am interested in early scientific and computing history. As such, I collect early computing literature and scientific letters. I am also interested in scientific and engineering Instruments, original and patent models, literature and illustrations prior to the 19th century. The first computer I learned to program was a DIGIAC 3080, followed by an early WANG (I'd love to find them again), and then 360 assembler and PL/1. I am interested in purchasing early scientific equipment, advertising literature, electromechanical calculators, vintage computers (Imsai, Altair, TRS80, SOL, Digiac, Scelbi, SWTPC, PET, and many, many others) and associated literature. I prefer working examples, but please contact me with a description of what you have available. I'll pay shipping costs for items of interest or pick up from most areas in the eastern U.S. I look forward to participating on this list. Thank you for reading this.

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sound "card" for the big VAX :-)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Just in case you have a TU78, have fun: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:sNZF1nPeHg8:www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/… -Gunther ---------------------------------------------------------------- Index of /afs/sipb/user/jtkohl/hacks/makesong Name Last modified Size Description Parent Directory 11-Jun-91 14:25 - NOTES 07-Sep-89 17:39 1k Songs/ 07-Sep-89 17:39 - makesong 07-Sep-89 17:39 1k "Makesong"* is a shell script which turns your TU78 tape-drive into a musical marvel... It is just a quick hack, so do not expect anything close to perfection. The numbers found in the "NOTES" file are approximate and could be a lot better, but I don't have the time to do it. See the example songs in the Songs/ directory... Format for a song file should be obvious from the examples... Songfiles are run through the C Preprocessor (/lib/cpp), so feel free to include comments, #defines, #includes, etc. Improvements/Bugs - the values for the notes should be tuned - more notes should be added - rests should be implemented a different way - as it stands, higher-pitched notes are shorter in duration than lower notes - the correct value for DURATION (now a constant 1000) should be a function of pitch. - different length notes (whole, half, quarter, etc.) should also be added - something other than /etc/termcap should be used as dd's if=, preferably something with unlimited size -- maybe /usr/ucb/yes "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" or a variant - due to the implementation of the MUSIC variable, there is probably a sh-imposed limit on the number of notes in a Songfile Interesting effects may be achieved by combining 'mt fsf' with 'mt bsf' commands - 'bsf' produces a richer "timber" of sound than does 'fsf'. Please let me know about changes and improvements you make -- also any songs you teach your TU78 to play! :-) [* Note, "makesong" works the tape drive pretty hard, so be nice. . .] Enjoy! Craig Fri Aug 25 11:12:17 CDT 1989 --- Craig D. Rice UNIX Systems Specialist cdr(a)stolaf.edu Academic Computer Center, St. Olaf College +1 507 663-3631 Northfield, MN 55057 USA

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OT: HVD SCSI controller

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Does anybody in the Washington DC area have an HVD SCSI setup that I could test some drives on before I spend money on a controller? Alternatively, does anybody have a PCI HVD SCSI controller that they would sell cheap (_really_ cheap) or trade for some vintage stuff? Thanks, Bill

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VCF East, GT-40, GT-42, GT-62 brochures, Nova software

by fwhite＠pobox.com

First I'd like to publicly thank Sellam for putting on VCF East. I had a blast, met many great people and played with some truly cool machines. I took a few photos which I've posted on a new web-site- in-progress: http://d116.com/vcf/east/1.0/ Now that I've got lots of web space, I installed scans of the GT-40, GT-42, and GT-62 brochures I have: http://d116.com/dec/gt/ Also, I made a directory with the Nova/DCC software I have on disk at the moment, including the buggy spacewar I was running at VCF: http://d116.com/dcc/sw/ I just brought this site up a few hours ago. My first visitor? The code red worm! 66.25.24.156 - - [03/Aug/2001:22:56:29 -0400] "GET /default.ida?NNNNN... Fredric

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DEC Doc's Wanted (was: Re: Wanted: Old issues of DEC Professional)

by mbg＠world.std.com

>None that I'm willing to part with, I'm also looking for these, "RSTS >Professional", "Digital Technical Journal", and any other magazines DEC >put out. Although DTJ was a DEC publication, RSTS professional, VAX professional and DEC professional were not... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I wish eBay had a "wish bid" system...if the starting bid is Just > > Too Ridiculous, a non-binding "bid" that could be entered as an "in > > case you don't get any opening bids for this" situation. > > ...or you could e-mail him with an offer :) I think I might. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Russ Blakeman wrote: > I picked one up 3 months ago at a yard sale for $1.25 and sold t for $25 > just last month - this guy is smoking some crack, the butt cheek kind. > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Messick, Gary > -> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:40 PM > -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> Subject: Ebay madness > -> > -> > -> Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > -> > -> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309 Neat. The last one I saw went on eBay for well over a thousand dollars. Who's smoking that crack? ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed and I'd like to has this option too. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain Sergio

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Foonly

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > Actually, the Foonly ran a variant of TENEX, which was the predecessor to > TOPS-20. TOPS-10 was from DEC, and TENEX from BBN (Bolt, Beranek, Newman)... did DEC acquire TENEX from BBN? Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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CRAY EL-98

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261319145 > > > Here's a rather unusual auction on eBay...a CRAY EL-98, > >supposedly functional, with OS backup tapes, and which supposedly > >came from Apple. If for nothing else, it's interesting for the > >pictures the seller has posted. I remember Carl Sassenrath telling me that he used a Cray while at Apple (post-Amiga, so that wasn't being done to design the first Mac, anyway). IIRC, they were simulating instruction sets or hardware with it? (I wonder: Power PC?) Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Z8000

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Bill Pechter wrote: > The Z8000 included the Zilog (later Exxon Office Systems) Zeus office > automation Unix boxes... > > They were SystemIII and used by the US Government's Internal Revenue > Service through 1993 or so. > > They later adopted Pyramid multiprocessor RISC boxes. I had one of those for a while, about ten years ago. A Model 41, the big one. I really, REALLY liked that machine. It was quite respectably zippy, but had no networking capability whatsoever. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I was pretty sure of that but didn't want any trouble caused for the group. Thanks Bill Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:18 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: SunOS (er... Solaris) On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:29PM -0500, Phil Schilling wrote: > I have the sparc/intel cd that I purchased, can I legally make iso for you? > mrbill could probably answer for us. Yeah - the "hobbyist/non-commercial" license covers all versions of Solaris. Basically, as long as its less than 8 CPUs, and not being used for a commercial purpose, you can copy Solaris for your buddies. Bill (http://www.sunhelp.org) -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Will Jennings wrote: > No, Apple Network Servers run AIX... They're from the days when IBM, > Motorola, and Apple worked so closely on the PowerPC that the Apple Network > Servers really did run AIX... Oh, neat! I never knew that. > Anyways, the front ends for Cray's, at least > in the 80's, were VAXen, DEC had a deal with Cray to sell VAXen specifically > as Cray front-ends. I gave all my Systems and Options catalogs away, but > some of them did have the VAX front-end systems in them... Are we talking about front-ends, or console processors? Earlier, Heinz made mention of the SPARC5 doing NFS...that's the console processor of a J90. Earlier Crays run as attached processors with front-end computers. The job runs on the front-end and it ships data to and from the backend at high speed as needed...users didn't "log into" the Cray directly. Today's Crays (and indeed going back about fifteen years or so) run Unicos (a Unix variant) which is a direct-login system...so there's no "front-end" in the old sense of the word. They do, however, use console processors...in the case of the J90, it's an unmodified Sun SPARC5 computer running Solaris (usually 2.4) which handles console operations. It communicates with another SPARC5...a VME64 board in the IOS card cage that netboots a special chunk of code (i.e. not SunOS or Solaris) that handles diags, initialization, booting, and runtime I/O for the Cray processor(s). Most Crays can have multiples of these systems, called IOSs. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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My other computer is a Cray!

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, Apple Network Servers run AIX... They're from the days when IBM, Motorola, and Apple worked so closely on the PowerPC that the Apple Network Servers really did run AIX... Anyways, the front ends for Cray's, at least in the 80's, were VAXen, DEC had a deal with Cray to sell VAXen specifically as Cray front-ends. I gave all my Systems and Options catalogs away, but some of them did have the VAX front-end systems in them... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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CRAY EL-98

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > We just rescued a Cray J90 from the Washington, DC area. A Vicom came > along with it. I'm quite shocked that I didn't hear about this machine. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Datasystems Design Board + RX33 floppies

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> Sergio, Hi again ! > I have a similar DSD board and drive, the drives are seen as 2 RX02's. > You need the box with the drives as well, as it also contains some > logic. I > am not > aware of any possebility that an original RX02 will work with the DSD > interface or > will RX33 ones do. :-( Is there anybody out there (mainly in Europe) that could send or purchase me one of this DSD monsters ? Thanks, Ed. Sergio

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DILOG DQ-614

by CAA007216＠mail.ono.es

> Sergio, Hello ! > You can have up to 4 drives per controller, and up to 2 > controllers per > system. Ok. This is good. > BTW, RD5x drives are usually seen as DU devices, not as DL ones. Mmmm... This board treats one Mfm Hard Disk attached to it like up to four DL drives, from DL0 to DL3. The drive must be partitioned with one partition by drive emulated. That is what can be deducted reading the (poor) info that could be located in the Internet. We speak about one RD52. I suppose it could be divided in three DLx emulated drives. Thanks for the answer, Ed. Sergio

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Length of Cables for ESDI Hard Disk Drives

by jhfine＠idirect.com

I have had a problem with some of my ESDI disk drives for a number of years which may have a very simple solution. When I use the drives in a BA123 box with an 11/73, the system functions correctly while I am using 7 quad boards or less. Whenever I add the extra boards, the READ operations on the Hitachi ESDI DK515-78 disk drives (Sigma RQD11-EC quad ESDI controller) take about twice as long. The WRITE operations are still just as fast. I have been looking at the problem again recently and while it has not yet been resolved, I now begin to suspect that the cables between the RQD11-EC controller and the drives may be too long. Just a guess is that the total length of the 34-pin cable is six feet (with the first portion to the first header being four feet and three more pieces of eight inches making a total of six feet to the last header) and the 20-pin cables (there are four with three currently in use) are about four feet each. In addition, the three ESDI drives currently in use run off their own PC power supply (in fact it is the actual power supply that came with the drives within a large raid set-up to be used with a VAX). I also salvaged the fans inside the box and each drive has its own fan. Normally, I only turn on one ESDI drive when the other ESDI drives are not being used for backup purposes. In addition, I have installed a heavy ground cable between the PC power supply and the BA123 box. In case anyone asks, the last drive on the 34-pin cable is correctly terminated and the other drives are not terminated. Since everything runs VERY well in the BA123 with the DK515-78 drives while I use seven or less quad boards, I have not tried to investigate much until recently since the extra boards are used so rarely it has not been a problem 99% of the time. And the fact that everything works so well has not led me to suspect the length of the 34-pin/20-pin cables. Does anyone have any suggested maximum cable lengths? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 14:28, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Pete wrote: > > Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > I don't believe Solaris 7 was ever available online, there was the $20 > hobbyist kit, which is kind of lame. Maybe it was 2.6 that was online, then? I don't remember; I did get what I think you're referring to as the hobbyist kit, though it didn't cost me $20 (it was a slightly different deal in the UK). I don't remember the details, but wasn't one version available for a short while to academic users (University staff) in source form? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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VAX 11/785 as a workstation :-)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Last night I was browsing the UNIBUS/PDP-11 field guide on the Web before I went to sleep. Then I dreamed of a VAX 11/785 with an UNIBUS extension cabinet full of cards. Included was a 3, 4, 5, or so card-set that together comprises a video interface. Hook up a composite monitor or RGB monitor and there you have it: A VAX 11/785 as a workstation! Write a driver for X11R6 for it and off we go. Has anybody ever seen those UNIBUS video monitor adapter sets? I suppose they were meant for PDP-11s, but I think running them with a VAX would be way cooler. Might not be possible, and certainly would involve some serious fiddling. But in a machine that has 10 or more cards for just the CPU, a 4 board video adapter would be the appropriate thing, wouldn't it? :-) cheers, -Gunther

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 12:30, Chris Kennedy wrote: > Um, I've got a bunch of old 2.7 media. Let me know what > architecture you need and I'll either stuff the ISOs somewhere > for you to fetch or simply burn copies and ship them off to you. > -----Original Message----- > Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > -- > Pete Peter Turnbull Thanks very much, Chris. I'll email you privately to work out the best way to do this. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, > and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. > > Pete Peter Turnbull I don't believe Solaris 7 was ever available online, there was the $20 hobbyist kit, which is kind of lame. Your best bet would probably be eBay, BUT, I assume that's not really an option in your case. Zane

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Francis. Javier Mesa wrote: > from Cupertino? The machine was bought in the 80s (before Jobs left > obviously) thus again it can not be an EL, since that line was introduced > in the early nineties I seem to remember. I wonder if Apple still have 1991. > their cray around, my friend told me that it was visible from the lobby of > one of the buildings.... jobs seemed to like it because it looked so cool A neighbor of mine worked for both Cray Research and Apple. He may know someone who can check. I will ask him. > think Jobs has ever produced an ugly computer..... although he reached his > pinnacle with NeXT darn those were cool looking computers!) Hell, I think they're STILL cool looking computers! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 8:30, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: > > Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain > the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips > for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed > and I'd like to has this option too. In my experience, they're relatively rare. I've been actively looking for a set for ages, and the last "spare" set I came across was about six years ago -- and someone beat me to it :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I realize I'm slicing and dicing an article here, and I feel silly for doing that, but what the hell. I have a couple of comments. :) On August 3, Heinz Wolter wrote: > in a sidebar. ( prob this should be Cray-2 ED). The G4 is being touted as a > "Supercomputer for the desktop" and with the performance figures of a > Gigaflop/s (1 CPU) it is certainly up to at least 1992 supercomputer cpu ...but the vector length is so short that there's no way to sustain that for more than a few cycles. When configured for data types of a width comparable to Crays native 64-bit single precision, the vector depth is a whopping TWO elements. As much as I like the G4, dem's the facts. And if I see ONE MORE IDIOT on eBay advertising some slow-ass Dell Pentium crap as a "supercomputer" I'm going to hop on a plane and open up a can of 100% pure Whup Ass on the moron. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Ebay madness

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, wanderer wrote: > Obviously a prank of some sort, and there even no pictures. > Besides that, anybody who is ready to lay down such an amount of > money should rather spend it at a mental clinic. ...or perhaps be directed to some of MY auctions. 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

I have the sparc/intel cd that I purchased, can I legally make iso for you? mrbill could probably answer for us. Phil Schilling GCS Tech -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Pete Turnbull Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:09 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: SunOS (er... Solaris) On Aug 3, 13:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > If you can get Solaris8 to run on a Sparc2 let me know 8-). > Unfortunately their non-commercial license for Solaris 7 doesn't > cover use in anything other than Non Commerical stuff and their > license for Solaris 8 (which I own) won't run on any Sparc's I have. Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Newsweek mentions VCFe and Sellam

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> on 8/2/01 9:07 AM, Douglas Quebbeman at dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com > wrote: > > In December 1983, I took a recent issue of some PC magazine > > into a Radio Shack, and showed them the Radio Shack ad with > > a picture of Windows 1.0 (or 0.75?) running on a Tandy 2000. > > I said this is what I want. They said we have the computer > > but we've never seen or heard of Windows. What's that? > > Windows 1 required a special driver disk, which had drivers for both the > digital mouse and the Model 2000's hires graphics adapter, to run on the > Model 2000. It is the only version of Windows that will run on the machine. > If anyone happens to have that driver disk though, which carried Tandy part# > 7002611, I'd be interested in obtaining a copy. To the best of my knowledge > the driver disk was provided seperately. Ok, count me in for one if they become available, I've got a 2000 too! -dq

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Ebay madness

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

He won't even get a bid. And if it did get a bid I guarantee you it would a fraudulent one. However, there is apparently an insurance scam that auction houses have to deal with apparently where a person sells something at auction to a shill (fake bidder) for some outrageous amount of money, then ships or somehow "loses" the item and collects the fully insured value. (less deductible of course). Some more interesting Ebay madness is that some nice VAX systems are going quite cheaply. There is a 4000/300 on Ebay for less than $20, the CPU alone is worth that, and if it has memory too... A 4000/200 in the nice BA215 case sold recently for $60. So you see the market works as you would expect, these things come out of the woodwork and the prices on ebay reflect the increased availability. --Chuck At 02:40 PM 8/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Is it just me? What are the odds this guy gets it? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260881309

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PDP-11/23 PLUS commercial instruction set (CIS)

by spedraja＠ono.com

>On Aug 3, 8:30, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: >> >> Hello. Anybody knows of somebody that could sell or obtain >> the two CIS (commercial instruction set) chips >> for one PDP-11/23 PLUS ? I have the Floating Point option installed >> and I'd like to has this option too. > >In my experience, they're relatively rare. I've been actively looking for >a set for ages, and the last "spare" set I came across was about six years >ago :-o > -- and someone beat me to it :-( Really :-( Thanks for the drink. I'll continue my search. Greetings and Best Regards from Spain. Sergio

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SunOS (er... Solaris)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 3, 13:05, Bill Pechter wrote: > If you can get Solaris8 to run on a Sparc2 let me know 8-). > Unfortunately their non-commercial license for Solaris 7 doesn't > cover use in anything other than Non Commerical stuff and their > license for Solaris 8 (which I own) won't run on any Sparc's I have. Is Solaris 7 still available anywhere? My CDs seem to have gone walkabout, and it doesn't seem to be online anymore. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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My other computer is a Cray!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 3, Heinz Wolter wrote: > Anybody see the Cray YMP-EL on ebay today? > The folklore goes that Woz walked into Cray's building and just asked > to buy a Cray. Much later Seymour was heard to comment that he > thought it was funny Apple used a Cray to design a Mac, since he > himself used a Mac to design the next generation Crays... > > In the end, Apple didn't have a real use for the Cray, other than a nice > ornament, though some say it may have been bought and used to simulate > and design production tooling for some Apple products... One of the photos in the Y/MP-EL sales literature is a simulation of plastic distribution in an injection molding system. The molding is clearly a front case component for an early Mac. > Still, if it is ~that~ - machine - it would be quite a piece of history to > own... Indeed. > There was a T-shirt that sold on ebay recently that says: > "My other computer is a Cray"..;) Strangely enough, Apple did have > some deal with Cray to offer Macs as front ends to Crays... Yes, I've always wanted one of those. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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