- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by ken＠seefried.com

Iggy Drougge wrote: > >Oh, but can you go out and buy yourself an m68k/MIPS/PPC >meainstream distro in the bookshop, Yes (though more likely for Alpha/SPARC/PPC...m68k & MIPS are a bit more obscure). Not at Barns & Noble, to be sure, but certainly at more technical bookstores (e.g. Engineers Bookstore near Georgia Tech had them last I was there). >or can you buy any software for non-i386 platforms? Usually not. Yes. See above. >What about Netscape? Several alternative platforms run Netscape just fine, even if some of them are emulating the version of Unix that originally ran on that chip. Of course, trying to make such sweeping statements about Linux based on what can be purchased commercially in a bookstore is like making judgements about advanced telecommunications based on a visit to Radio Shack. Ken

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classic comp CD library?(RE: HP2000 Access - It LIVES! *GRIN*)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This brings up a thought... Can all this stuff you have be put onto a CD somehow, for preservation purposes? We all have programs and stuff, I'm sure, that exist only on magnetic media. Wouldn't having all this on a CD (or something) library make sense as backups? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 > ---------- > From: Jay West > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:24 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: HP2000 Access - It LIVES! *GRIN* > > I am now the proud owner of a living breathing HP2000Access system. Today > I got the IOP configured and running, then the system processor followed > suit in short order. I was quite concerned that after spending years on > getting the hardware all tested and passing diagnostics that I'd go to > load the OS and the OS tape would be bad. Fortunately, that was not the > case, the OS tape read and installed just beautifully! I was able to do > system console commands like ROS, DIR, SLE, HIB, CRE, etc. Was even able > to do ANN-ALL,System going down now! before shutting it down. > > The biggest wrinkle I ran into at the last minute was loading the > cross-link and mag tape boot loader from the IOP to the system processor. > The documentation was slightly obtuse about this, and I just couldn't get > it to work. Finally I just said "heck with the cross-link" and moved the > paper tape reader to the system processor and did it there. That means I > can't share the paper tape reader to users on the system, something I > really need to do so I can easily duplicate tapes and read them under > BASIC. The way I was trying to load that tape was strange anyway, because > I don't have the "loader/loader" tape. If anyone has a copy of the > "loader/loader" tape, I would GREATLY appreciate a copy so I can install > and configure the system the way you're supposed to instead of the kludge > that I did. > > I did not hook up a terminal to the system other than the system console, > I need to do many hours of soldering to rebuild the mux panel that I have. > But since the MESS and ANN commands work, it's pretty likely the mux > boards are in fact fine. I just may take tomorrow off work to build the > mux panel and hook up a terminal other than the console. > > The only thing left to do on the system is rerack everything. The > components aren't in my better racks, and some are not quite mounted > properly, etc. So, basically cosmetic stuff. > > One thing I need to ask the list for (besides a copy of the loader/loader > mentioned above) - an initial system load of TSB doesn't have any system > library. I seem to recall one or more list members telling me they had HIB > tapes of system libraries (hopefully including things like startrk, > wumpus, hanoi, etc.). Now that the system is up and running, I would love > to borrow any and all HIB tapes I can get to build a nice system library. > If I get multiple tapes from multiple people, I'd be happy to send a tape > back that includes the entire library from everyone. I'll probably key in > all the programs from the David Ahl computer games book too. > > Finally - I suspect others on the list might be trying to build HP2000 TSB > systems too - now that mine is running, after the dust settles I will most > likely have duplicates of things that I have amassed - software, hardware, > etc. I will gladly offer the excess/duplicates of stuff to listmembers. > Preference will be given to people who are fairly close to a running > system, so that we can get as many of these machines up as possible. > > Regards, > > Jay West > > >

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HP64000 - DOS

by dschulte＠tellumat.com

Can anyone help me/tell me how to recompile C code generated on UNIX, the compiler is called product B1493-11000 A.03.51 8086 C Cross Compiler The linker creates Intel hex output file sbc.hex. I need to be able to recompile under DOS , Windows or UNIX ???? ********************************************************************** Notice: The information contained in this e-mail (including any attachments) may contain commercially sensitive or confidential information which may be legally privileged and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not, or believe you may not be, the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, review, disclosure or action taken in reliance of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender unless expressly stated by the sender to be given on behalf of Tellumat (Pty) Ltd. Tellumat (Pty) Ltd disclaims liability for any unauthorised opinion or representation made by the sender on behalf of Tellumat (Pty) Ltd. No warranty is given by Tellumat (Pty) Ltd that the integrity or security of this e-mail (including any attachments) has been maintained through transmission, nor that the communication is free of virus, interception or interference. **********************************************************************

24 years, 10 months

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S-100 Power Supplies: thanks!

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, Thanks to all those who replied to my message regarding S-100 power supplies, and thanks especially to Dick Erlacher, who offered to sell me some cheap. I got a private email reply from someone offering the same thing, and I took him up on it first. So to Dick, I'll pass but thanks anyway... The main problem in all of this was not ever the design. As Allison pointed out, an unregulated supply is dead simple to design. Even looking at some commercially designed/built S-100 supplies, you can see it's not rocket science. The problem nowadays is finding one part -- the transformer. Most all computers are +5V, +/-12V now, and of course transformer manufacturers gear towards those. Even some of the surplus places I've gone to on the web only have "common" voltages (+5V, +/- 12V, +24V, etc). That's why I wanted to see if there was an SMPS that would do the trick. After looking at SMPS prices, however, I've decided no to go that route. I'm sure they're bullet-proof, and would function admirably, but I'm not going to plunk down $200+ for one :-) (remember, we're talking high current here, not just the little 1A switcher). Anyway, thanks to all ... Rich B.

24 years, 10 months

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NOTICE FROM THE LIST HOST (re: recent political commentary)

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Ok folks, I've about had it with the off topic stuff as of late, including but not limited to the current "political" discussion. This also applies to some of the "flame wars" that happened a month or so ago which I received several complaints and "requests for action" about, as well as the long discussion of caurberators for god's sake. This list is for discussion of classic computers and narrowly related issues. If you want to talk politics or cars, hit the newsgroups. If you want to respond to an on-topic message with political commentary or flaming, take it to private email. There is NOTHING that I want less than to be perceived as heavy-handed or dictatorial, but in the interest of the list subscribers at large I felt the need to bring this up. There are plenty of majordomo configuration or filtering solutions available to me that will address this, but I truely do not want to go that route. Let's keep the signal-to-noise ratio within reasonable limits. Please? Jay West

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Anyone know where...

by vance＠ikickass.org

Anyone know where I might be able to buy brand new 8" floppies? Peace... Sridhar

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Advanced/36

by mbbrutman＠magnaspeed.net

I actually have code running in this! (Interrupt and exception handling code.) The Advanced/36 uses an early version of SLIC (System Licensed Internal Code) used on the RISC based AS/400s sold today. Back when the RISC based AS/400s were being developed, somebody wrote an emulator for the System/36. We could easily emulate a System/36 with the new hardware, and give a lot of businesses a few more years with their software investment. Eventually we wanted them to be running on the AS/400 natively though. :-) Mike mbbrutman(a)magnaspeed.net

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Apple LISA easter egg...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

> While I was perusing your website, I ran across the page talking >about the Lisa, >http://www.geocities.com/j_hellige/LISA2.HTML > I tried the easter egg, at the bottom of the page, on my OS9.1 Mac. >They shotened it. Now, it only says "Finder - Created by all of the folks >here at Apple. Inspired by the distinguished history of the Macintosh >desktop.", still in front of the picture of the Apple campus. > So much for the homage to the Lisa and her programmers... The easter egg still shows the names of the programmers in OS 9.0.4 but you're right, in the newest OS updates they've shortened it to the single blurb you list above. Frankly, given how little recognition programmers have recieved over the years from various companies, I'm suprised that the easter egg listing all of their names lasted this long. Thanks for the tip though, as I hadn't realized that they had changed it with 9.1. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

24 years, 10 months

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old NEC APC computer

by lhyost＠nfdc.net

Just noticed these old NEC APC postings. I bought one in 1981. It sits across the room. I think i t still works. I have all the books and documents that came with it ( 10 or 12 volumes) And cases full of 8 inch flopies. I wonder if they can still be read. At the time I bought it, it was the best computer available -- but soon IBM got into the game and the situation changed. Lloyd Yost The PC 8023 A/C printer that came with it is still being used every day after 20 years !!

24 years, 10 months

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IBM Dos 4.00

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I dont know that it's such a big deal. 4.0 was oddball but any old copy of 5.0 (more stable as well) would easily fdisk it and format the disk. The real problem is that apparently the disk MBR is weird and a more aggressive tool like FIPS is needed. Allison Subject: Re: IBM Dos 4.00 >> > > FDISK v4 for PS/1 ( Beth Dorman ) >> > My guess is that any FDISK on any DOS ( v3 or higher ) >> > will do for this. My current Windows computer has fdisk, >> > for example. Many, many others on the list know more, >> > but I think you can Format ( with 'Copy System Files' ) a >> > floppy, and put fdisk on it with a New computer and be OK. >On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Don Maslin wrote: >> Unless it can be handled by SETVER, he will get an error >> message "Incorrect DOS".

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IBM Dos 4.00

by mdorman＠InfoAve.Net

I have an IBM PS/1 that I messed up the 4.0 ver by trying to upgrade b/4 I realized there was a partitioned D drive. Now, I'm stuck 'cause I can't use FDISK because the command is not there. When the p/c is turned on, the IBM DOS Version 4.00 comes up, so I'm assumming the only way I can fix this is to re-load the program..only I can't find them. I did all this before I was smart enough to go to school and learn something before delete files!! Do you still have the 4.0 disk for sale? Thanks, Beth Dorman

24 years, 10 months

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Tiny Basic again

by ba071＠mvcn.dayton.oh.us

Hi All Tiny Basic enthusiasts, I have more source code of variations of TinyBasic than you can shake a stick at. This would be for Tom Pittman's version c.1977. I am willing to share with anyone but only by snail mail: Phil Lange 29 Santa Clara Ave. Dayton, OH 45405 (937) 278-0506 For you emulator lovers using VICE/XVIC20 I have versions which do very well. Let's all praise the Lord and Tom Pittman for delivering us from idleness, the devil's workshop. His Tiny Basic kept me from the snares of the psychiatrist. Seriously, I have not had as much fun with any program as this one, ever! Phil

24 years, 10 months

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HP2000 Access - It LIVES! *GRIN*

by west＠tseinc.com

I am now the proud owner of a living breathing HP2000Access system. Today I got the IOP configured and running, then the system processor followed suit in short order. I was quite concerned that after spending years on getting the hardware all tested and passing diagnostics that I'd go to load the OS and the OS tape would be bad. Fortunately, that was not the case, the OS tape read and installed just beautifully! I was able to do system console commands like ROS, DIR, SLE, HIB, CRE, etc. Was even able to do ANN-ALL,System going down now! before shutting it down. The biggest wrinkle I ran into at the last minute was loading the cross-link and mag tape boot loader from the IOP to the system processor. The documentation was slightly obtuse about this, and I just couldn't get it to work. Finally I just said "heck with the cross-link" and moved the paper tape reader to the system processor and did it there. That means I can't share the paper tape reader to users on the system, something I really need to do so I can easily duplicate tapes and read them under BASIC. The way I was trying to load that tape was strange anyway, because I don't have the "loader/loader" tape. If anyone has a copy of the "loader/loader" tape, I would GREATLY appreciate a copy so I can install and configure the system the way you're supposed to instead of the kludge that I did. I did not hook up a terminal to the system other than the system console, I need to do many hours of soldering to rebuild the mux panel that I have. But since the MESS and ANN commands work, it's pretty likely the mux boards are in fact fine. I just may take tomorrow off work to build the mux panel and hook up a terminal other than the console. The only thing left to do on the system is rerack everything. The components aren't in my better racks, and some are not quite mounted properly, etc. So, basically cosmetic stuff. One thing I need to ask the list for (besides a copy of the loader/loader mentioned above) - an initial system load of TSB doesn't have any system library. I seem to recall one or more list members telling me they had HIB tapes of system libraries (hopefully including things like startrk, wumpus, hanoi, etc.). Now that the system is up and running, I would love to borrow any and all HIB tapes I can get to build a nice system library. If I get multiple tapes from multiple people, I'd be happy to send a tape back that includes the entire library from everyone. I'll probably key in all the programs from the David Ahl computer games book too. Finally - I suspect others on the list might be trying to build HP2000 TSB systems too - now that mine is running, after the dust settles I will most likely have duplicates of things that I have amassed - software, hardware, etc. I will gladly offer the excess/duplicates of stuff to listmembers. Preference will be given to people who are fairly close to a running system, so that we can get as many of these machines up as possible. Regards, Jay West

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Tony, try this ;>)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Dick Erlacher wrote: > > Winding a transformer is not a way to save money if you value your time at > > 50-cents per hour. I offered to ship him a complete S-100 mainframe for $5 + Tony Duell replied: > You've made this sort of comment before, and I still can't understand it... > > For many of us on this list, classic computers are a hobby. We work with > them because we enjoy them. Not because we make money with them (at least > not all the time). > > And IMHO it is wrong to value time spend on a hobby at anything other > than $0 per hour. You spend that time because you enjoy it. Not to make > money or save money. If you weren't working on classic computers, what > else would you be doing? Most of us are working stiffs, Tony. Our free time is limited. I figure it this way: an hour of my free time is worth at least twice as much as I earn per hour, since I have fewer of those "free" hours (supply and demand). If I chased down the parts and rolled-my-own transformer, it could easily consume $1000 of my free time. If I want to use or revive an old computer it's "cheaper" for me to buy off-the-shelf components because this doesn't burn up a lot of time I could be spending actually *using* said computer. Same thing applies to swapping out a serial board vs. replacing the UART: boards are cheap and plentiful, swapping the UART is time-consuming. If I just "loved" winding transformers my viewpoint might be different, but I don't ;>) > I can assure you I wouldn't do it if I could find a suitable transformer > or transformers in the catalogues. But I would do it if it was the only > way to keep a machine running. Sure, because a no-longer-available item is, literally, priceless -- it cannot be bought for any price, so a big expenditure of free time is justified if the item in question can be recreated. I hope some of this makes sense to you. Glen 0/0

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S-100 Power Supplies: thanks!

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:53:29 +0100 (BST) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: S-100 Power Supplies: thanks! >Have you considered winding your own transformer. Uhhh ... hadn't thought of that! :-) > In the UK we can buy 'transformer kits'. Did a quick search of a couple of distributors, but no luck yet ... I'll keep looking, though! >According to my calculator, 6.3V * sqrt(2) = 8.9V or thereabouts. Since >the 8V line is unregulated anyway, I would think you could start with a >6.3V transformer. Can you really no longer buy valve heater transformers??? !@$#!@$!!~!!!! I found a couple of 6.3V transformers, one at 8.8A, one at 12A ... I must be going blind... I don't think they'd power my 21-slot backplane, but I do have a couple of smaller ones that would probably be just fine... Rich B.

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IBM Dos 4.00

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Dos is in ROM on this model.(2011 or 2121?) There are two files that will be needed: CUSTOMIZ.EXE & CONFIGUR.EXE one of those gives the option to tell the computer to boot from the hard drive rather than the ROM DOS. MS has something in their knowledge base about it if you can figure out how to use their crappy search method. david, former PS/1 support In a message dated 8/30/2001 3:03:53 PM Central Daylight Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: > I could make copies of mine for you, if you would like. I would have no > problem doing it for the cost of shipping. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Mark or Beth Dorman wrote: > > > I have an IBM PS/1 that I messed up the 4.0 ver by trying to upgrade b/4 I > > realized there was a partitioned D drive. Now, I'm stuck 'cause I can't > > use FDISK because the command is not there. > > > > When the p/c is turned on, the IBM DOS Version 4.00 comes up, so I'm > > assumming the only way I can fix this is to re-load the program..only I > > can't find them. > > > > I did all this before I was smart enough to go to school and learn > > something before delete files!! > > > > Do you still have the 4.0 disk for sale? > > > > Thanks, > > Beth Dorman > > > > >

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Last week's finds

by optimus＠canit.se

This last week's been busy. I've finally found my own VAX system, a VAXstation 3100. Hardly state of the art, but at least it's got graphics and ethernet. The 'station has got two RZ23 (100 MB) drives and a floppy drive mounted internally. I also got some external cases, the markings seem to imply that they contain VMS. VMS is one OS which I've never, ever run, which is interesting. But what about breaking into this system? Is there any trick to forced entry into VMS, and what are you to do once you're inside? Any pointers for a VAX newbie? I also salvaged three monitors for the VAX. One 21" DEC, another 16/17", and a 16" Eizo 9070S, which unfortunately is broken, but the error seems to be a documented case, so I'll have a go at fixing it. The Eizo is the top dog, since it's a digital/analogue multisync (or Flexscan in Eizo language), unfortunately, it will only sync down to 20 KHz. Unfortunately, while I was loading the screens inside the bulding, some bastard walked off with the 17" DEC. Bloody idiot, what's he going to do with a 1989 vintage sync-on-green fix-frequency screen? Fortunately, I found an identical screen today. I'll have to try it out once it's dry. I also found a DEC drawing tablet. Plugs into the DEC mini-DIN-6 mouse port. Unfortunately it's got no pen or puck. There is no plug for the drawing instrument, so I suppose it's some kind of magnetic device. Anyone know some kind of replacement? The unit is called the VSXXX-AB. I found some ARCnet equipment, including two Thomas-Conrad 16-port active hubs. Another big haul was a motherlode of retired Luxor equipment. I grabbed four ABC806 units (flattish desktop boxes made out of a lot of metal), along with four keyboards. The keyboards were three different models. Two were more or less the same as the ABC800 keyboard, only in a stand-alone enclosure. One was the smaller, numerical-less unit, and one was a Facit-made one with a lot of keys (such as a very odd tilting arrow key) and LEDs. It also had a D15 at one end. I suspect that this keyboard was designed for the ABC1600, and the mouse would plug into the D15. Besides, the '806es, I found an ABC16, which is a rare PC-compatibility unit for the ABC series, mounted in an ABC806 enclosure. I also grabbed one or two dual 5?" drives (I can't recall the number right now, but it's not the ABC838), an ABC-bus expansion enclosure (the diskdrives were mounted in the same kind of box), and an absolutely hulking enclosure with dual 8" drives and ABC-bus backplane. Besides that, I had to leave about as much stuff behind. Most of it is at a friend's house, so I haven't been able to test it much. I suspect that some part of my monitor is dead, though. It will power up an '806 (I can determine that by the beeping), but there is no image. It could be a cable issue, though. This particular cable is the one with the "Stenmark switch", designed for the monitors which doubled as TV receivers. Unfortunately, they seemed to have eliminated all the software, or perhaps they're still running parts of the system. If you want to have a look at some of the systems I'm talking about, have a look at this site: http://user.tninet.se/~lmx072e/abc800/abc800_pics.htm I've found two pretty little terminals. One is called the "Datascreen" or "Compuscreen", IIRC, and is an integrated unit, seemingly from the late seventines. Looks a bit like a sleeker version of a PET or a Superbrain. The other one is a TECO VA-120, and I absolutely adore it! It's a sleek design with the intelligence fit into the foot and a very spacy look. Unfortunately, the display makes a squealing sound, though the keyboard seems to indicate that the unit works otherwise. The pitch of the squeal may be calibrated through the V.HOLD pot in the back. What do you do with a unit like this? At the fleamarket, I bought a Sanyo Sanword Mini-J, which is a late- eighties/early nineties Japanese word processing machine with built-in printer. The printer doesn't seem to work for me, but the wordpro is good enough in itself, what with the sad state of Japanese wordpros for the Amiga. =) I've also got hold of a Spectrum, rehoused into sa rather amateurish case with a mechanical keyboard. The case could have been done by anyone with a piece of sheet metal and a pincer. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Och har du en TV utan Scart, vilket nittionio procent faktiskt har, kommer de f?rmodligen att ringa fr?n Antikrundan. Martin Timell

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VAX 11/780 to 785 upgrade, what does it take?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hello, I know some of you are former VAX field service technicians or have other deep working knowledge of this: what exactly (!) does it take to upgrade a VAX 11/780 to a VAX 11/785 (or 11/780-5 as it was called.) I believe this includes changing the SBI backplane. But what else does it include? Is the console computer any different? Power supply? As you probably all know, I have the 11/785 board set on hand but no cabinet. Now I have the chance of transporting one or two 11/780 accross the country. Those are in real good shape as I gather (were stored inside!) So I figure I rather have a nice 11/780 than a rusty incomplete 11/785 that lacks a console computer. And with some chance I can upgrade one to an 11/780-5. So, what does it take? thanks for your advice, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Apple LISA easter egg...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jeff --- While I was perusing your website, I ran across the page talking about the Lisa, http://www.geocities.com/j_hellige/LISA2.HTML I tried the easter egg, at the bottom of the page, on my OS9.1 Mac. They shotened it. Now, it only says "Finder - Created by all of the folks here at Apple. Inspired by the distinguished history of the Macintosh desktop.", still in front of the picture of the Apple campus. So much for the homage to the Lisa and her programmers... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] ! Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:18 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: S-100 Power Supplies: thanks! <<<<<clipped>>>>> ! Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File ! http://www.cchaven.com ! http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 !

24 years, 10 months

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Looking of Digital Alpha CPU/Motherboard

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, someone on the Alpha-NT email list (which I'm sending this message to) should have a clue for you... (AlphaNT- don't forget to keep Jacek's address in the reply...) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jacek Artymiak [mailto:workstations@poczta.onet.pl] ! Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:30 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Looking of Digital Alpha CPU/Motherboard ! ! ! Hi all, ! ! I acquired a small lot of Alpha 166 and 233MHz CPUs. ! Unfortunately, the ! AXPpci 33 motherboard I have does not work with the Alpha ! 21164-AA CPU I ! found in the box of Alpha CPUs sent to me. ! ! Does anyone know which DEC motherboards work with the Digital ! Alpha 233MHz ! 21164-AA CPU? I tried looking for information on the net, ! but found very ! few pointers. ! ! Jacek Artymiak ! ! ! ! -- ! ! OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie ! z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] !

24 years, 10 months

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Any interest in Apple IIgs computers?

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, Two local schools in my area are trying to get rid of some Apple IIgs computers. I found out about this in time to save them from the dumpster. The total number of computers is somewhere between 50 and 100. I have NOT seen the computers, so I have no idea what shape they are in. I assume they are dirty, and may have school markings engraved or painted on them. I am going to see them on Tuesday, so I will have a better idea of the details then. I would like to accomplish two things: Get these computers to people that will use them, and make a donation to the schools. Assuming the computers are in working order, complete and functional, and assuming they may need a good cleaning, and may have school marking on them, how many people would be interested in them for $5.00 each + shipping (for those with small fonts, that's FIVE dollars, plus shipping)? I live in Massachusetts, USA, ZIP code 01473. Please respond OFF-LIST... And remember, I have NOT seen them yet, so I cannot give any more details than what you see here. Your responses will NOT be binding in ANY way ... I'm just trying to gauge general interest... Rich B.

24 years, 10 months

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S-100 Power Supplies: thanks!

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, Thanks to all for the wonderful hints and tips. I have already gotten offers from several people to send/pick-up full power supplies. I will certainly follow up on some of those (but not all, simply because I could use a couple, not 5 or ten! :-). I will also get the 6.3V transformer, and try to build my own, just to know I can do it. Dick is right: In this particular case (though not all), I'd rather buy/get than build. Partially this is due to my inexperience at building power supplies. I have several S-100 backplanes, and many S-100 cards, but only one power supply. I'd like to get more S-100 stuff going, and I'd rather not release the magic smoke on my cards due to a bad design or bad construction methods. These boards are getting harder to find (at least in my corner of the world), so if I have a known working supply, I'd rather use that. On the other hand, this is the perfect opportunity to learn how to build a power supply. However, as Dick also pointed out, that is a secondary concern. I am more anxious to get the S-100 stuff running than I am to build a power supply. I will build one up, however (and test it thoroughly), and put it into operation. It's just that it will take me more time to get things running if I have to build up a power supply, rather than getting one already made. Thanks again to all, Rich B.

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california digital

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:09 PM, Sellam Ismail [SMTP:foo@siconic.com] wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: > > > Sounds like a surplus shop called 'Display Electronics' over here. > > The > > last advert I saw from them (a couple of months ago) listed 8" > > floppy > > drives for close to \pounds 500 (no, not \pounds 5.00, which is > > what > > they tend to sell for at rallies) > > Believe it or not, due to their general scarcity from normal market > channels, 8" floppy drives can demand a high price from those who > really > need it to keep some old gear that uses one for storage alive. When > you've got an operation that can break down completely due to a single > 8" > floppy drive going bad, UKP500 is a small price to pay. > There are companies that make them *new*. They're used in some applications where radioactivity is a concern. I remember seeing an invoice for one (went in some medical equipment) that priced them at $170. Jim

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Looking of Digital Alpha CPU/Motherboard

by workstations＠poczta.onet.pl

Hi all, I acquired a small lot of Alpha 166 and 233MHz CPUs. Unfortunately, the AXPpci 33 motherboard I have does not work with the Alpha 21164-AA CPU I found in the box of Alpha CPUs sent to me. Does anyone know which DEC motherboards work with the Digital Alpha 233MHz 21164-AA CPU? I tried looking for information on the net, but found very few pointers. Jacek Artymiak -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ]

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TMS7040

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> > How can I dump the ROM inside a TMS7040? > > Does anyone know where I could obtain enough information to emulate a > TMS7040? www.freetradezone.com has some information but it seems to start at section 4 of the manual and the instruction set is in section 3. Antonio

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SemiOT: Mourning for Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman skrev: > > >> There are parties in all of Scandinavia each year, as well as Poland and > >> France. Don't know about the scene beyond there. > > >Ok... what was throwing me for a loop here, was that you seemed surprised > >that I was unaware of them, but they turn out to be something we don't > >have around here, so my absence of familiarity shouldn't be such a > >surprise... > > Are you certain? It might just be a PAL/NTSC thing. No, we know about PAL, we just choose not to use it.... ;-) -dq

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Just curious about injection molding or casting

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > Yes, I know it's nice to be able to make replacement parts (one day > > there will be no more spares), which is why I intend to investigate > > injection moulding at home. > > If only we had Star Trek's replicators! > > I'd say that personal manufacturing is bound only to get easier and less > expensive. Some day, even before the advent of replicators, it will be > feasible and cheap to build most any replacement part. I would expect > that to have a revolutionary effect on many fields of old stuff > collecting. Within another ten years, surplus stereolithography machines (and other "Santa Claus" machines) will be available to us. Good ones go for $250k, but a friend of mine and I thought we could engineer one to sell for about $25k, and others are likely having the same idea... For those you you who aren't familiar with these, think of them as "3d plotters". Some carve away at a block of material until the object of desire remains; others deposit tiny beads of metal that are sintered (?) together; my favorite uses a polymer fluid and a UV laser; the laser draws a cross-section on the fluid, which hardens the polymer; a tray under the first cross-section lowers slightly, the laser draws the next cross-section, and so on, until you have The Object. I think another spews plastic beads in a fashion similar to the sintered metal. Anyone have any hands-on experience with them? I could watch, but they wouldn't let me touch... ;-) -dq

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Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I used to use these at a former orkplace... a cow-orker ended up with a few, and is down to the last one, which he's kindly holding for me... -dq -----Original Message----- From: StormErage(a)aol.com [mailto:StormErage@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:06 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s) I own a Televideo 803 system (not a portable). I have the complete system with manuals, power cords, software, etc - even one OLD game called "mortar". I bought the system when it was new back in the early 1980's. Still runs like it always did - I have it in an air conditioned storage unit.

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Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)

by StormErage＠aol.com

I own a Televideo 803 system (not a portable). I have the complete system with manuals, power cords, software, etc - even one OLD game called "mortar". I bought the system when it was new back in the early 1980's. Still runs like it always did - I have it in an air conditioned storage unit.

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Sorry

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> If you have any VAX 11/7xx documentation, I'm interested in buying it. > Let me know what you have and how much you want for it... Over at http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm you will eventually find about six or so of the VAX-11/780 related technical manuals. (They have them already, you just need to wait until they get around to putting them online). Antonio

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PC/AT memory boards

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I've got an old genuine IBM AT (8 MHz) that has a couple of 16bit mystery boards in it... 1) Marked 55x3543, google says 0.5 to 3 MB board. It has a 16450 on it, a total of 12 30 pin simms, a male DB9 (okay, I guess it's a DE9) and a female DB25. I assumed it was a serial port and parallel port but it doesn't show up as such in the machine. Also since these appear to be 256K simms I expected the machine to boot with 2MB of RAM or more but it only came up as 1 MB. I'm suspecting it's configured wrong or there's a conflict but of course I don't have any docs... anyone? 2) Another memory board, 18 256Kbit chips, marked EV159 and has a big EVEREX chip on it. Google says 3 MB expansion board, same questions. I assume this motherboard has 512K on it, so... this board might be okay but I'd like to know what the switch settings are in case I decide to add memory to it (anyone know a cheap source of 41256s? Any help (docs especially) would be appreciated.... Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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Sorry

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Sorry about this, list, but I've just moved out to my retirement home and I really need every cent I can gather, so I sold a Borsky S1000 handbook and a PDP8 maintenance manual without offering it to the list. Once I get some of my multitude of boxes unpacked, I will be offering many other duplicates and non-essential things. I'm sure there is much that would not excite much interest on EPay but would be of interest to the list. I'll keep you posted. ciao Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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Anyone know where...

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

http://www.plumresources.com A quick search turned them up here. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Absurdly Obtuse <vance(a)ikickass.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Anyone know where... > >Anyone know where I might be able to buy brand new 8" floppies? > >Peace... Sridhar > >

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S-100 Power Supplies: thanks!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well, with all the falderall try this. find a 6.3vac core with an output current that is adaquate. By examination, determine the turns/Volt for the secondary. method B: wind 5 turns over the core and see what the votage is. divide by 5 to get turns/volt. Divide that number into 1.7, that the additional voltage you need. Add those turns. That was the exact method used to correct the early version Altair with the undersized transformer. FYI, it needed 11 more turns of #16 to do the trick. No need to disassemble or "rewind". Allison

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Slightly OT, but...

by vance＠ikickass.org

...if anyone will know, it will be one of you. Using one of the accelerator boards as a template, would it be too difficult to design a 68060 accelerator board for a 68040 NeXT? I guess a big part of this question is: how different is the architecture of the 68060 to that of the 68040? Peace... Sridhar

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TMS7040

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

How can I dump the ROM inside a TMS7040? Does anyone know where I could obtain enough information to emulate a TMS7040? -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com "Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android

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TI Stuff for Sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I have the following TI stuff available. Please see my previous note about Apple II stuff for all terms/conditions.... TI RF Modulator -- Qty. 5, untested, $2.00 EACH TI Power supply -- Qty. 3, untested, $5.00 EACH TI single cassette cable, untested, $5.00 Thanks! Rich B.

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PDP 11/34 work party

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Well this is the weekend that I'll try and get the PDP 11/34 running as well as the AS400's in the garage. Anyone who will be in the Ottawa area is welcome to come and help. I'd like to see some signs of life before packing the magnetic media into the basement for the winter. Mike Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)

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S-100 Power Supplies: thanks!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Rich Beaudry <r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: S-100 Power Supplies: thanks! Hey! I have a complete S100 PS transformer and all plus it has the regulators to run SA801s! It's a complete unit on it own plate >from a TEI or similar box. WANT IT???? It's heavy as all get out so shipping is out. Pick up is Framingham or maybe some place where we cross paths. Allison

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IBM AS/400 Advanced 36

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

David, I gather it is twinax, do you have any connectors? As I remember you can use any twinax terminal but it must be connected to port 0 address 0, IIRC, at least mine are setup that way. I think that I probably have an extra terminal around. All this will be moot point if they wiped out software though. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of David Betz Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:52 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: IBM AS/400 Advanced 36 I know this is a bit new to be of much interest to people here but I was recently given one of these and am at a loss as to what to do with it. I only received the actual box and I believe it requires a proprietary terminal as a console so I am unable to even determine whether it works. Does anyone here know anything about these machines?

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california digital

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

But the prices on *most* of their stuff is outta sight-- I don't care if most of their merchandise is 'NOS'; I still think the guy who's pricing this stuff is smoking a mind-altering drug . . . On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:26:57 -0500 (CDT) Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> writes: > I was just checking out california digitals web site, and i see they > have > a couple things of possible interest to others. > > They have DEC backplanes, 4 slot dual width, for $9.00 > > They also have Teletype model 40 terminals, supporting RS/232 and > Current Loop, and sporting a somewhat interesting 70's terminal > style. These are listed at $49.00 each. > > Of course they still have the usual stuff, 10 and 16 sector floppy > disks, copies of CP/M, etc. > > www.cadigital.com > > -Lawrence LeMay > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 29, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > Sounds like a surplus shop called 'Display Electronics' over here. The > last advert I saw from them (a couple of months ago) listed 8" floppy > drives for close to \pounds 500 (no, not \pounds 5.00, which is what they > tend to sell for at rallies) What's more, they've been selling -- or at least advertising -- the *same* floppies for over 10 years. I imagine they've not sold (m)any :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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california digital

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:46:26 -0700 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> writes: > >Some of their 20-year-old FDD's are priced right at where they were >> when new. Do you suppose it's possible they're old inventory? Of that, I'm almost certain. They've been sitting on some of this stuff for over twenty years. I run into establishments like this IRL: Some old geezer, store filled to the gunwales with NOS 'stuff', and positively *refuses* to mark down any of the merchandise that's 'slow moving'. Ten years later, the store looks about the same, with the same 'stuff'. . . > In looking at their page last night I noticed that while some of > thier prices are quite reasonable, a lot of them are insane! When I say > insane, I mean insane even for dealers whose sole reason for existance is > keeping old hardware alive! Yep. Like I said: *DRUGS*. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Osborne 1 Video -- again

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, I dove back into the Osborne again ... just to recap, on power up there is no video output. Nothing is obviously damaged internally (no broken parts, loose connections, burn marks, etc.). Also, it does respond to the keyboard, as pressing "Enter" after power up causes the floppy to spin (as if looking for the disk you just inserted). Tony suggested tracing the +12V lines to the CRT. My trusty digital multimeter shows me +11.88 volts all the way to the connector on the neck of the CRT. I don't know if 11.88 is close enough to 12, but that's what I get. The CRT neck does not glow at all.... What's the next step, assuming the 11.88V is a "good" voltage? Rich B.

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HP 1820-1691 microprocessor pinout

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 29, Tony Duell wrote: > So, to avoid confusion I tend to use 'male' and 'female'. And then I run > into problems over whether it's the pins or the housing I am describing. Pins vs. housing is easy to remember if you picture...well, umm, sex. Housings are seldom...umm, well, round. 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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OT: IBM AS/400 Advanced 36

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

I know this is a bit new to be of much interest to people here but I was recently given one of these and am at a loss as to what to do with it. I only received the actual box and I believe it requires a proprietary terminal as a console so I am unable to even determine whether it works. Does anyone here know anything about these machines?

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Opening a Z-19: Thanks!

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Tony, Why does this not surprise me? :-) I will definitely let you all know when I dive in.... Rich B. ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:47:24 +0100 (BST) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Opening a Z-19: Thanks! FWIW, I have a Z90 hardware manual alongside me (including schematics, etc). I believe the Z19 is a cut-down version of this (just a terminal,

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TI Stuff for Sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Ram, No problem! I'm kinda embarrassed that I didn't check out that site first myself... The RF mods I have are untested, and certainly not new, so I can't beat $1.00... Oh well, I'll hang onto them just in case.... Rich B. --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:50:55 -0400 From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> Subject: Re: TI Stuff for Sale Not to burst Rich's bubble, but you can get *BRAND-NEW* TI RF Modulators for $1.00 plus shipping at the following site: http://www.99er.net/rfmod.html

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california digital

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:44:54PM -0500, Jeff L Kaneko wrote: ! > But the prices on *most* of [cadigital.com's] stuff is outta sight-- ! ! And their web site seems to be Macromedia Flash-only--at least using ! Netscape on Linux without Flash all I get is a hit counter. Stupid. This should get you by that crap... http://www.cadigital.com/cadigtl.htm --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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