- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have an HP EISA network card (10BaseT + AUI), it came out of a 486/66ST server. I believe the model # is 27248. For trade (I'm looking for 41256-100 RAM) or free for cost o' shipping. Gordon Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7, 14:02, Mike Ford wrote: > >It would have helped if the installers (before my time) > >hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C > >lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... > > My house is done is untwisted bellwire, any kind of cat5 sounds like > nirvana to me. > > CAT5 is shielded twisted pairs isn't it? Why would proximity to 60 hz ac be > a problem, or are the network cards just REALLY poorly designed (rejection > of common mode noise)? Nope, Cat 5 is UTP -- UNshielded twisted pair. It has reasonable common-mode rejection, but nothing is perfect. In long runs, such as you'd find in a typical commercial building infrastructure, you'd notice quite a difference if the UTP was too close to power cables. They're notoriously noisy. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TRS80 Model III again

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi, Having got my Model III back together only to discover the CRT *has* decompressed has anyone got a spare they'd like to sell? This one is a 16K non-floppy model with a serial number less than 1400 so I'd like to get it running again! cheers folks, -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - The online Computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly Gothic shenanigans

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

It would have helped if the installers (before my time) hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... and management refuses to believe we need to re-cable.. I was even threatened by my supervisor-at-the-time and told not to bring it up again, as it would be a 5-digit refit cost. -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblakeman@kih.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:53 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: HP & Compaq > > > Sounds like you need to think about using STP shielded > cabling if you have > that much noise on the LAN. > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of > Douglas Quebbeman > -> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:21 AM > -> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > -> Subject: RE: HP & Compaq > -> > -> > -> > > They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have > -> Intel logos > -> > > on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may > -> have been a > -> > > nightmare or something. ;) > -> > > -> > Those el-cheapo Linksys cards that I like because the > newer ones rarely > -> > fail on me and when they do they are cheap to replace, > are Tulip. And > -> > they're faster because of it. > -> > -> I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX > cards... they are > -> *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull > several and replace > -> them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to > some old 3Com > -> 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... > -> > -> -dq > -> >

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I'd only store them (for possible future use), if I get them. If someone will actually use it, then it's thiers... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:18 PM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc ! ! ! On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > Nevermind me taking them. Fred would put them to better ! use with his ! > students, as a history lesson ;-) ! ! I already have enough that nobody need hold back if they want them. ! ! -- ! Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com ! <A HREF= "http://merritt.edu/~fcisin" >classes</A> !

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VAX 4000/500 Upgrade Successful

by dittman＠dittman.net

I was successful in upgrading my VAX 4000/300 to a /500. I had the CPU but had to buy MS690 memory to replace my MS670. I also went >from 96MB to 128M. Now to find a used /700A or /705A CPU to upgrade further. I was a little worried that my backplane was not of the right revision, but the barcode part number matched that of a /500 and /400 at work, so I wasn't too worried. I'd seen conflicting information when I searched DejaNews^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HGoogleGoups, so I figured I'd better check. If anyone else needs this information, the bardcode part number on all three systems is 54-19354-01. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! ! On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chuck McManis wrote: ! > I've got some copies of DOS. I know, I know. Does anyone want them? ! ! If nobody else steps forward (or in it), I'll gladly take any ! copies of ! DOS. Besides my personal "collection", it is handy to have a ! lot of DOS ! manuals for various versions available for use by the students in my ! Microcomputer Operating Systems class. Chuck --- Nevermind me taking them. Fred would put them to better use with his students, as a history lesson ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Self Same computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to > 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see > "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small > embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called > "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose > machine. And only the programmers will notice. I don't think so- there is a significant market for a particular form-factor of personal computer, the workstation, that just won't go away. It's too small a niche market to justify the engineering and production of a "CAD appliance" and too large to justify killing the general purpose computer on which it's based. Ditto for "Programming appliances", "research applicances", and so on. These just won't come to be. Rather, the general purpose PC will live on to fill those market niches. Regards, -dq

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My latest find

by mranalog＠home.com

I've managed to push back the age of the oldest computer user manual in my collection by another 42 years. SCREW PROPELLER COMPUTER Geo. McDermott 52 pages, hardbound, first edition Taylor and Carpenter, 1902 This book describes a mechanical computer with two separate rotating discs to enter variables and used to calculate the dimensions and proportions of screw propellers The last chapter is entitled "Directions for operating the computer" with 7 example problems. Unfortunately there are no pictures of the computer in the book so I'll have to wait until the book attracts the computer. :) --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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Noisy LAN (was RE: HP & Compaq)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! It would have helped if the installers (before my time) ! hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C ! lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... ! ! and management refuses to believe we need to re-cable.. ! I was even threatened by my supervisor-at-the-time and ! told not to bring it up again, as it would be a 5-digit ! refit cost. Oooof, that bites. Knowing me, I probably would mention it again, then once my boss reprimands me for it, I'd be up in HR (or the Big Boss) getting him tossed for being a (insert adjective of choice) moron... it's good he's gone now. Time to pitch the re-wire job... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Chuck --- If no one else wnats them to use, stick them in with my Trimm case you're sneding. I'll keep them around, just in case! Geez, it looks like I'm starting my own library/museum! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chuck McManis [mailto:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:18 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc ! ! ! I've got some copies of DOS. I know, I know. Does anyone want them? ! ! I've got PC-DOS 3.0 in the original IBM slipcase ! ! I've got two copies of MS-DOS 5, one is still shrinkwrapped ! ! I think I have PC-DOS 3.2 ! ! anyway they are available for postage or free if you come to ! sunnyvale to ! get them. ! --Chuck !

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OT?? NOVELL 3.11/3.12 complete manual set available

by west＠tseinc.com

Don't know how old Novell 3.11 is, so this might be offtopic - if so, my apologies... We're dumping the last remaining trash out of our old office. I came across a (likely) complete manual set for novell 3.11/3.12. They are free for the cost of shipping if anyone wants them. If you want them, speak up before noon tomorrow or they're going into the dumpster Jay West

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX cards... they are > > *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull several and replace > > them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to some old 3Com > > 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... > > Actually, I am referring specifically to the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX > Revision four and higher cards. The older ones are garbage. The box of 20 I bought last December has not served us well... even though I believe our LAN is the weak point, at least the Intel and 3Com cards don't crash the PC from effects of the noise... Regards, -dq

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Second Source i4004?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 26, Wayne M. Smith wrote: > I was looking inside my ProLog M-900 and noticed a gold and > ceramic chip labeled "INS4004D" socketed next to two i4002s. > Does anyone know if National Semi second sourced the i4004? > It also has the number "530" on the bottom which I suppose > is a lot no. > > For those with GUI browsers, here is the best I could do > with my camera: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/ProLog4004.jpg Hmm, it sure looks like it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 01:43 PM 9/6/01 -0700, McManis, Charles wrote: >So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice. With prices dropping so low, computers have become more disposable. But even with the $200 Celeron 566 you can buy today, it still has drive bays and memory slots and IDE and USB I/O interfaces. A vast part of the computer market is the selling of add-ons and replacement components. How cheap will computers need to be before you'll throw one away because the CD drive stopped working? Does commoditization necessary mean they'll no longer be expandable, and that they'll be expendable? (Driving to the office tonight, a very beat-up and rusty car very nearly matched the speed of my 2001 model.) Does it mean people won't want to buy replacement parts or upgrade options? What might this mean for classic computers? In fifteen years, some of them may be unbootable, as the ASP-like web services they depended on have disappeared like so many dog-food-selling dot-com ephemera sites. To stretch the auto analogy, even in the smallest towns there are still auto parts stores and repair shops and at the next level, all the junk yards and parts dealers who fill the needs of the repair stores. With the surging wave of enthusiastic game-players who rapidly drove the pace of graphics card development far beyond what the earlier CAD and computer graphics market ever demanded, has emerged a new class of computer owners who eagerly upgrade, tweak, customize and polish their systems beyond all reason. Just like car enthusiasts. :-) - John

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by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

In response to my comment of: >No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today >cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and >number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now >common and mundane. At 04:19 PM 9/6/2001 -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > My only problem with that analogy is that automobiles are >fairly fixed as to what you can use them for, while computers on the >other hand are bounded only by the imagination and talent of the >programmers. Except that over 95% of "end user" computers purchased today are _not_ bought by programmers. And what non-programmers do with computers _is_ fixed, and as many on this list have complained it gets harder and harder every year to find enough information to actually program these things at a level deeper than Visual Basic script. So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice. --Chuck

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Honniball <John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk> > > > > I am not sure that ancient analogue tape recorders > > > > are on-topic :-) > > While it is possible to use such machines to store programs from most > > home computers, I don't think many people did. > > I did! I hooked up my Akai 4000DS reel-to-reel > (transistor, not valve) to my Compukit UK101. DS? I have a 4000D right here which I use to convert old tapes to CD-ROM media. What's the difference between D and DS??? BTW the ZX81/TS1000 is extremely picky about tape recorders, and I have never gotten one to work with a reel-to-reel deck. Any ideas why? > Didn't one of the Elektor machines use 45s for software > distribution? Wasn't there once a music CD with software > on one track (for a Spectrum?)? Actually it was a 45-rpm disk. The program was on one side and music was on the other. The idea was to load the program into the Spectrum, then flip the record and run the program and play the music at the same time. There was some sort of way to sync the program to the music (or vice versa) for a "multimedia experience." Glen 0/0

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HP & Compaq

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot > of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and > refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC > brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty. > Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other. Unfortunately people new to PCs often regard name-brands highly when shopping for their first computer, and they will often turn up their snouts when they see my (very nice looking) white-box clones. I have also had people tell me they didn't believe small shops actually built systems, but that we bought them from some Asian factory (too "complex" to be produced outside of an assembly line). Glen 0/0

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Booting Apple ][GS

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, I'm sure I read here that it was possible to boot a GS over an Appletalk network; I've got a choice now - the ][GS 5 1/4" floppy drive I won in January has finally turned up so I can either try and get GS/OS onto 5 1/4" disks or I can boot GS/OS images from another Mac or something.....I'm itching to get it running for the museum so any hints are appreciated.... cheers! -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - The online Computer museum, now with its 3rd CBM P500 www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly Gothic shenanigans

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Update on IIgs Computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Rich --- I have installers for OS 7.1.2, 7.5, 7.5.1, etc., up to 8.1, on my Service Source CD. Let me know exactly which you're looking for. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Rich Beaudry [mailto:r_beaudry@hotmail.com] ! Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:10 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Update on IIgs Computers ! ! ! To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers, ! ! My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting ! the stuff, and ! put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night! ! ! The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to ! believe... One school ! had already dumped some stuff... ! ! Totals are as follows: ! ! IIgs CPUs: 25 ! 3.5" floppies: 20+ ! 5.25" floppies: 20+ ! IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+ ! IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...) ! Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5 ! Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2 ! IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid ! I will be short ! quite a few) ! IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2 ! ! The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them ! on hold, so ! they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs ! monitors, and 2 ! IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people ! were interested ! in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs. ! ! I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before ! the end of the ! weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further ! what exactly ! is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time. ! I will also ! have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build. ! ! There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping ! that one :-) ! ! Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there ! were three, but ! I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a ! set of working ! IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??) ! diskettes, and a set ! of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if ! you would ! like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal ! issues, as ! Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert, ! however, so I'd ! rather get already-working disk sets...) ! ! Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this ! message. I ! will post again when I have completed testing all of the ! hardware. At that ! time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from ! there.... ! ! Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next ! year, I think :-) ! ! Thanks! ! ! Rich B. !

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Self Same computers (was HP & Compaq)

by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

Jeff Hellige originally wrote: > As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot > of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and > refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC > brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty. > Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other. This is why collecting classic computers and preserving them is so important. Interestingly, people who were different in the early PC days were punished severely from not being "100% PC Compatible" Many on this list remember the famous question, "But does is run MS Flight Simulator?" Which was one of the standard compatibility tests. As for brand names, I think they will come more and more to mean _everything_. After all it has happened with cars it will happen with computers. 21st century personal computers are rapidly converging on a relatively fixed function, internet access unit with data composition and retrieval capabilities. No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now common and mundane. --Chuck

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Update on IIgs Computers

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers, My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting the stuff, and put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night! The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to believe... One school had already dumped some stuff... Totals are as follows: IIgs CPUs: 25 3.5" floppies: 20+ 5.25" floppies: 20+ IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+ IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...) Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5 Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2 IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid I will be short quite a few) IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2 The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them on hold, so they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs monitors, and 2 IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people were interested in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs. I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before the end of the weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further what exactly is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time. I will also have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build. There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping that one :-) Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there were three, but I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a set of working IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??) diskettes, and a set of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if you would like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal issues, as Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert, however, so I'd rather get already-working disk sets...) Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this message. I will post again when I have completed testing all of the hardware. At that time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from there.... Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next year, I think :-) Thanks! Rich B.

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OT: Compaq SmartStart CDs?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Off-topic, at least as much as an HP/Compaq merger... I picked up a pair of Compaq ProLiant 7000 servers at a great price. Up to four PPro 200s, 12 sleds, rack mount. They've been scrubbed and I need any version of the Compaq SmartStart CDs that'll let me reboot and reconfigure the systems to see how well they work. These CDs are $50 on eBay, but that's probably people selling their old sets. I'm hoping someone here will have an old set they might be willing to donate or trade... - John

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Apple ][ disk controller state machine

by gugler＠agames.com

Until I get my hands on a copy of the venerable "Beneath Apple Dos" is there anyone who can point me to an online resource describing the Apple ][ disk controller P6 ROM state machine? The exact uses for the Q6 and Q7 switches ($C0EC-$C0EF)? Or would be willing to summarize from the mighty tome for me? Sorry to bungie post (I'm a brand new list member as of right now), it's not my normal habit, but web searches are failing me for this particular info. The nearest I've found [1] is a bit too cryptic without supplementary descriptions. Cheers, - Sean, Apple //e (enhanced) owner [1] http://www.cs.umu.se/~christer/Apple/ -- Sean Gugler ("Dr. Guz") guz(a)doctor.com "This quote's just six words long."

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Compaq SmartStart CDs?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

John: I may have a version of the 3.2 SmartStart at home. If you can't get one, let me know. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:15 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Compaq SmartStart CDs? Off-topic, at least as much as an HP/Compaq merger... I picked up a pair of Compaq ProLiant 7000 servers at a great price. Up to four PPro 200s, 12 sleds, rack mount. They've been scrubbed and I need any version of the Compaq SmartStart CDs that'll let me reboot and reconfigure the systems to see how well they work. These CDs are $50 on eBay, but that's probably people selling their old sets. I'm hoping someone here will have an old set they might be willing to donate or trade... - John

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find... help

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

You need interface cards for the b&w HP Sacnjets flatbed? I might have one in my basement, with the two HP Scanjets. I'll have to look tonight... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Robert Byrnes [mailto:rbyrnes@pacbell.net] ! Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:00 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: find... help ! ! ! I saw your message from 1998 about Scanjet interface cards ! and wonder if ! you still have them. If so which cards and how much? ! Bob Byrnes !

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Interview on Todd Mundt show

by vcf＠vintage.org

I don't know if anyone caught this but I did an interview on the Todd Mundt show about a week or so ago: Here is the Real Audio archive: http://www.toddshow.org/ram/tmshow0905.ram My interview starts at about the 28 minute mark. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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HP & Compaq

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> > I wonder if HP will absorb Compaq and totally do away with them or still run > them as an independantly named subsidiary. PC-wise, I hope they just sort of do away with each other. IMHO, the current HP and Compaq lines represent the lowest point in mass-produced boxes. As bad as E-Machines and Packard Bells. Additionally, obtaining the drivers (when the customer has lost the restore disk) can be impossible, and when it *is* possible I'm often looking at a 15 MB download for the video and 11 MB more for sound. This is grotesque -- crappy, proprietary hardware running bloated software. It's a wonder people put up with it. Perhaps they won't anymore. Glen 0/0

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find... help

by rbyrnes＠pacbell.net

I saw your message from 1998 about Scanjet interface cards and wonder if you still have them. If so which cards and how much? Bob Byrnes

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Extraneous uses of computers systems. In the same vein somewhere between 1974-1976 one of our systems guys used to backup the RP04's on our PDP11/50 to 9-track tape. He would go to sleep on a mat next to the system. When the backup finished he would then run a program that would perform a series of head seeks that resulted in a shaking of the drive and the floor next to the drive. Very expensive alarm clock. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have Intel logos > > on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may have been a > > nightmare or something. ;) > > Those el-cheapo Linksys cards that I like because the newer ones rarely > fail on me and when they do they are cheap to replace, are Tulip. And > they're faster because of it. I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX cards... they are *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull several and replace them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to some old 3Com 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... -dq

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Olivetti ETX II

by sstratford＠mbbc.edu

Hi I'm new to the list. How might I go about locating a keyboard for an Olivetti ETX II? Please CC me I'm on the digest. --Steve

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Mouse Systems mouse driver

by percy_mistry＠yahoo.com

Hi Everyone...I recently inherited a PenMate Tablet made by Mouse Systems and would like to know if anyone can email me a copy of the driver floppy which came with it and or even tell me the voltage since it is missing the driver floppy and power adaptor! :-) Thanks in advance! -Percy

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> > No, a pair of ZX81 kits went through recently (although a search no longer > shows them, irritatingly) for daft money. OTOH, when a built one can fetch > ?200+.... I suspect that was just a mad bidder moment however. Hmm. I guess this means I'm rich ;>) I have a ton of this stuff here, and have not been watching Ebay enough. > I wonder if Zebra do a bulk discount; it strikes me that one could buy a > load, then sell them in the UK for easy money... Someone already bought a bunch and brought them into the UK but by the time he paid the freight and customs he had to sell the kits for UKP 90. I'm not sure how he made out on the deal . . . also, the ZX81/Spectrum crowd in the UK would never pay this sort of money. Check comp.sys.sinclair. Glen 0/0

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Regarding unbuilt computer kits

by dan＠ekoan.com

I have a lead on an unbuilt Heathkit H-89 computer that is still in the original shipping carton (the smaller boxes inside are still factory sealed), along with two CRTs. I know Tony would recommend I buy it and build it, but what would a fair price be for such an item? A bit off-topic, but I'm also looking for Heathkit manuals for the IC-2008A (desk calculator), GC-1005 (digital clock), and ID-1390A (digital thermometer). I recently acquired each of these devices but they're all showing erratic behavior of one sort or another. Any ideas where to find these manuals, preferably cheaply? I've found w7fg's web site, but are there other sources? Cheers, Dan http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > I could be mistaken about this, but IIRC, a risky bet, but ... wasn't the ZX80 a > <$50 proposition back in the '80's and the '81 slightly less, on the order of > $29.95? The ZX80 kits originally sold for 199 British Pounds in 1980 (about US$400 at that time). The ZX81 was advertised in Scientific American in 1981 for $99 (the assembled version was $149). By '84 the ZX80s were pretty much gone and the '81s were at the $29.95 level you mention. Glen 0/0

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> > I assume this is on for Saturday, September 15, as previously announced. Have announcements been > placed in the appropriate usenet groups? We certainly want to let all those who might be interested know > about this get together! Louis, the CFCJF is absolutely on! I have posted notices in about a dozen usenet groups and have had a few inquiries. As always, the more the merrier so if you know some places where you can spread the word please do so. We might not have a big crowd the first time, but if everyone has fun and word gets out we might be able to do this once or twice every year. See ya there! Glen 0/0

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Louis, Welcome aboard. Joe's and several other collectors are in Orlando. I live in the Ft. Lauderdale area but will be in Orlando that weekend. Once we get a little feedback, we'll set a time and place. Is Saturday September 8th OK for you? Steverob >From: "Louis Schulman" <louiss(a)gate.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: "classiccmp-classiccmp.org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>, "joe" ><rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >CC: "Glenatacme-aol.com" <Glenatacme(a)aol.com>, >"musicman38-mindspring.com" <musicman38(a)mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Central Florida Computer Junk Fest ! >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) > >Hey! I am in Tampa! My wife says: You have way too much computer >junk! Get rid of it! > >So, count me in! You guys are in Orlando? > >Louis Schulman > >On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:15:11 -0400, joe wrote: > ># ># Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to the >#"Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Atari find

by dbz＠mypad.com

> At the last TRW swapmeet in So. Cal, I picked up a couple of Atari > XE130's for $5 each. The seller said he had pulled them out of a > school computer lab. No power supplies, but a quick trip to Ebay fixed > that... Haha, I bet you ended up paying twice that for the PSU's. ^_^ > So I connect one of them to my TV, and flip on the power switch. The > console LED turned on, and the TV screen went black. That's it. > Uh-oh... Houston..... > Well, we have another one to try. So I connect it, and it boots into > Atari Basic. Much better. I did a quick hello-world type basic > program. Welcome to the world of Atari. > So, is the other one fixable? http://www.tomheroes.com/atari_repair.htm No, really, the first thing you ought to do is open it up and make sure there aren't any burnt up or leaking caps, or other visible signs of damage to the board. Then, swap any socketed chips you find with the 'good' ones from the other machine. Be sure to swap them back individually after testing, nothing worse than complicating an already complicated problem. I don't know if the Atari kit has any trouble chips like the PLA in the C64. I have two 130XE's myself that I've never had any problems with. If there aren't any socketed chips, an easy chip test is to power the machine up, wait about 30 seconds, and put your finger on the top of each of the "big" chips. If any one of them is already hot, it's probably shorted and a good candidate for socketing and swapping. Test the RAM chips in the same way, with your finger or other heat-sensitive probe. Good luck, let us know what you come up with. -----

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> > eBay suggests that unbuilt ZX81s are worth silly money (think ?300 ($450) > upwards). Maybe you're thinking of unbuilt ZX80 kits?? Zebra still sells the ZX81 kits for USD 99.95, which is high. I've seen them go for $50 on ebay recently. The North American ZX81 kits are not at all rare. Glen 0/0

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Merger -- Compaq and HP

by pechter＠bg-tc-ppp1179.monmouth.com

> Forwarded for those that may not get the Encompass newsletter > and who might be interested in their plans. > > Jeff Another follow up. > > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,alt.folklore.computers > Subject: HP Compaq merger, here we go again. > Summary: Y W8 4 HP > Followup-To: > Distribution: > Organization: Lakewood MicroSystems > Keywords: > Cc: My wife just handed me a pair of Unix Expo Digital Equipment key chains. Don't know if I ought to EBay 'em for quick cash. Maybe a PII or PIII for my new motherboard. The logo d|i|gi|t|a|l in maroon (yeah it's the reworked logo not the good old blue and white). The standard green UNIX license plate and Live Free Or Die. (New Hampshire) The other side a California (The Migration State) plate with the letters Y W8 4 HP. Damned if this wasn't prescient. Why Wait For HP --- cause Palmer, Pfeifer, Capellas and Compaq made a big mess of it. I'm not sure Carly will do any better. My judgement on Lucent/AT&T managers is they aren't much better than Compaq's whiz types. Bill Pechter Ex DEC, Ex-Concurrent, Ex-Alliant, Ex-IBM, recently Ex Lucent, Proabably Ex-Computer Hardware Industry for life Digital Had It Then, Don't you wish you could still buy it NOW! -- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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This week's scores.

by vance＠ikickass.org

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: > > IBM S/390 G1 > > IBM Shark RAMAC 2TB DASD Server > > SGI Onyx RealityEngine2 > > SGI IrisVision Microchannel (!) > > > > Plus I got to hang out with Dave McGuire, Brian Hechinger, Brian's > > daughter Avalon, Jeff Hellige, and a bunch of other random cool people. > > > > Pretty good week, I think. > > Holy schultz! I should say so! <seethes> > > How'd you manage that? Well, I spent a crapload of money, and I am driving down to Florida this weekend. 8-) It's ALL going to be worth it. Oh yes, it is. *evil grin* Peace... Sridhar

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Fwd: Encompass' Update on HP-Compaq Merger

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Forwarded for those that may not get the Encompass newsletter and who might be interested in their plans. Jeff >Status: U >From: Encompass <Encompass(a)SBA.COM> >To: "'jhellige(a)earthlink.net'" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: Encompass' Update on HP-Compaq Merger >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:08:04 -0500 > > > > >Dear Jeff > >It is with confidence that I write to assure you of Encompass'continued >commitment to serve the needs of our membership in the wake of the announced >merger of Compaq with Hewlett-Packard. Through our strong partnership with >Compaq, Encompass is uniquely positioned to be your advocate on the Itanium >Platform conversion and to work closely with Compaq's senior management team >as plans regarding this proposed union unfold. > >For those who remember the acquisition of Digital by Compaq, these recent >events must seem like deja vu. But while times have changed, our commitment >to deliver forthright information as quickly as possible has not. We are >poised and ready to offer Hewlett-Packard and Compaq recommendations on how >to make the merger beneficial for you, a valuable segment of their existing, >installed customer base. > >Should the merger become realized it would create a new global technology >leader and untold opportunities for Encompass, our Enterprise Computing >Association. Compaq's recent decision to migrate all enterprise level >systems to IPF, coupled with Hewlett-Packard's standing commitment to the >platform will position the newly-formed powerhouse to drive IPF as the "next >core platform" for IT. As such, this will ultimately provide us, the >end-customers of the new company with new levels of stability and >application/solution availability more so than ever before. > >We originally banded together forty years ago as users of Digital Equipment >Corporation computers and then a year ago had the foresight to evolve into >Encompass, an Enterprise Computing Association. Our ability to adapt to the >ever-changing conditions of the information technology industry is one of >the core reasons that our organization has remained vital for so long. Now >as Encompass, it is our mission to help you and your organization be more >successful by providing an open, objective knowledge exchange network. While >the players may change, our guiding principle of meeting your needs remains >unaffected. > >Encompass will work tirelessly to share your concerns with Compaq and >Hewlett-Packard, to provide on-going information about how this merger may >affect you, and to make this newest transition successful for all of us. We >appreciate your continued support in these revolutionary times. > >Sincerely, >Joe Pollizzi >President >Encompass -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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OffTopic: Search for Alpha motherboard info...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

*Sorry about the off-topic multiple-posting, but I'm hoping you guys can help me out here; off list, of course! I hate to have hardware sit unused... I have here a pair of EV4 21064 200MHz CPUs, p/n 21-35023-21. One was >from an AlphaStation 200 4/100, (dead power supply, m/b seems to be dead), apparently an upgrade... I was wondering if there is a dual-processor motherboard I could use these on (and where to find one), or what other machines I could use them in... In my DEC3000 System Programmer's Reference, it says the DEC 3000/500X uses the 200MHz 21064. I assume this is the same (as I have above). If so, I could bump my 3000/400 from 133 MHz to 200MHz, right? Thanks in advance for any info... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Curricula (was: Assembly vs. Everything Else

by ken＠seefried.com

Jumping in late, I know, but when I was at Georgia Tech (mid- to late-80s), we were taught x86 assembly. There was a real focus on the concept that "look folks, there's an awful lot going on under the hood that you might want to be aware of when you write that Pascal (or C, or Lisp, or whatever) program and the details matter". For that lesson, x86 asm is a pretty good, if painful, object lesson. Much of GaTech was like that. Oh, yeah...and we learned Modula-2 from Kim Kings book for undergrad OS. Ken

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removing a Kennedy tape drive from its rack

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Hi folks, Brian Knittel and I have acquired a Kennedy vacuum-column tape drive (along with a VAX 11/750 and some other goodies), which he is right this minute driving up from San Jose. He tells me that the tape drive is on rails and rack-mounted, and that the way to remove it from the rack is not obvious. (He can see a latch that prevents the drive from sliding farther into the rack, but not the one that is preventing it from sliding out.) Can anyone tell us how to get it out? This will make it much easier to get out of the rent-a-truck and up the stairs. Thanks! Norm Aleks

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 5, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > > > What Intel got from DEC was a FAB, and in some manner the StrongARM > > > processor (I never have understood this one). > > > > And the Tulip chips, and the PCI bridges, and all the other cool DEC > > chips that we've been using for years... > > Boooooooo!!! I love those tulip chipsets...low CPU use, > ultra-reliable and well-supported by linux. > > Is there's ones still in production or what is another equally GOOD > one that replaces tulip based NICs? They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have Intel logos on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may have been a nightmare or something. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 5, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I'm referring to the Itanium; not sure if Intel got that from DEC or not. > > They most certainly did not! Itanium is the marketing name for what was > called Merced for many years. It's been in development since something > like the early 90's. > > What Intel got from DEC was a FAB, and in some manner the StrongARM > processor (I never have understood this one). And the Tulip chips, and the PCI bridges, and all the other cool DEC chips that we've been using for years... -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DRV11-WA manual

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well thanks to Doug Taylor who lent me one, thanks to Zane who tried Acrobat 5.0, the users guide for the DRV11-WA is now online as a PDF file at the House of VAX. The specific URL is <http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/boards.htm> (click on the link for the DRV11-WA. Now to get the Dilog manuals up. --Chuck

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8032-SK repairs again

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Hi all, If you're wondering why I've gone quite on the 8032SK front, it's because I'm busy digesting lots of digital electronics books :) I'm surprised at how much I still remember from my school/polytech days - not to mention how much I've forgotten! And why is it two's complement seems so easy now, wheras it used to be so difficult? Weird... Anyway, another PET related question: I've got 4 of the things now, and all of them suffer from wobbly screens to some extent; the oldest (PET 2001) is the least affected somehow.... Aside: Tony mentioned this is probably the electrolytic(s) drying up, and that I should get an ESR meter (good idea, now that I know what one does); I think I'll get a kit one - more soldering practice :). Hmm. Back to the question... Each PET has a huge electrolytic next to the transformer marked "23000mF". Even given the can size, I assume they mean micro-F as opposed to milli-F; but 23000uF seems to be impossible to get, should I replace with a 22000uF or a 33000uF, both of which are readily available? Also, do other non-electrolytic caps degrade - if so, would it be worth replacing *all* the caps on old kit like this? Even so, is it worth replacing all the electrolytic caps as a precaution, or should I just wait impatiently for the ESR meter and only replace the suspect ones? And finally: I bought a "Tip tinner/cleaner" block, and now my soldering iron works a treat! Thanks guys, for rekindling my latent interest in "real" electronics! Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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