- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> TOPS the OS vs TOPS the network, are they related? If you're wanting to know about TOPS-10 or TOPS-20 then I recommend my PDP-10 emulation web page as a starting point: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html If you're wanting to know about the network, isn't that some sort of ancient Macintosh thing? Zane

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unknown SRAM chips

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 13:32, Jim Donoghue wrote: > Anybody have pinouts for these ICs - I think they are some kind of SRAM. > Thanks. > > TMM2068AP-45 TMM is Toshiba. I don't have the data sheet for that one, but I think it's 4K x 4. > HM6147HP-35 Equivalent to an Intel 2147 "high spped" static RAM, 4K x 1bit, 35ns access. 1 A0 18 Vcc 2 A1 17 A6 3 A2 16 A7 4 A3 15 A8 5 A4 14 A9 6 A5 13 A10 7 Dout 12 A11 8 /WE 11 Din 9 GND 10 /CS -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 14:24, John Allain wrote: > > So, a www.vaxpower.org could be it. > > Maybe so, but the www site right now seems to be run by a > crazyman. All it says is "The city of Umbar was built in the > Second Age by Numenorean voyagers." Absurdly Obtuse! Well, it's accurate even if uninformative :-) It's from Lord of the Rings, as is the name Isildur. Quite what that has to do with anything vaxish, I don't know, though :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Do we have a VAX organization?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

One of the big problems that I see is Storage. Paul Pierce had to buy a building to store his collection of big iron, it will become the museum in the future. Big Iron takes space, dry space, with a concrete floor and a loading dock to handle comfortably. Does anyone have extra space. I know of good cheap space in Portland, OR but, as we know rented space is very expensive in the long run. I think it is a good idea to plan ahead for machine deinstalls. They often do come out of service in large batches. Not only are they much less common later but parts and manuals often become very scarce. How about a concrete slab/steel building in the dry part of the South West. Anyone have property or a building for long term storage. I am willing to help with my shipping skills anywhere in the Northwest. Paxton Astoria, OR

24 years, 8 months

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Sharp PC-5000 for sale (early 1983 "laptop") update

by mhstein＠usa.net

You know, Sellam, from a marketing perspective that may not be the most effective title for that web page... I didn't know that the printer was an option; thought they all had one; live & learn. IIRC, the bubble memory cartridges alone were abt, $250, at least up here in the rapidly freezing north. -----------------Original message---------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)vintage.org> Subject: Re: Sharp PC-5000 for sale (early 1983 "laptop") update Someone's going to get a hell of a deal. Top offer so far is $77. I'm also throwing in the printer module with this: http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp_t_printer.jpg

24 years, 8 months

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VLB SCSI

by mbbrutman＠magnaspeed.net

I've never had a problem with two Adaptec 2940AU cards, an Adaptec 1542, or 2 Adaptec 1520s. The drivers leave something to be desired once in a while. My 486 VLB system runs a Buslogic BT445S SCSI card (Fast SCSI II) and an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro. The Buslogic has been a wonderful card; it's been in service 7 years now under OS/2, DOS, Winblows, and now Linux. Too bad they were bought out by Mylex, and eventually disappeared into oblivion. Any other Buslogic owners out there? The ATI card was marvellous at the time - 1280x1024 in 256 colors with a 70+ Hz refresh rate. It's a little flakey now - the system requires me to hit the reset switch before it will boot. Replacement ATI VLB cards have been DOA ... apparently they don't age too well.

24 years, 8 months

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Big Iron - was Genrad Futuredata info

by mhstein＠usa.net

Having just dropped a rackmount Cromemco System 3 in the process of moving it, I can assure you that it's (relatively) big and there's lots of iron in that PS transformer... and IIRC, it can support around 32 terminals or so running UNIX with the right cards. --------------Original Message-------------- Craig Landrum skrev: >Also, having just joined this list, it would appear to be >dominated by primarily big iron types instead of us IMSAI >and S100 junkies. Assuming there are a few out there and >you wish to correspond, here's what I have: While I agree that there are a lot of rack-mount random TTL junkies here, to some of us, S-100 and things like that are "big iron" as well. =)

24 years, 8 months

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Eric Dittman wrote: > >If you can find the manual on the DMB32 it should have the pinouts for >the cable, which will make building a converter even easier. The user guide states that the DMB32 supports the LP32 generic printer specification. The pinout is on p1-13: 1 - DAT 3 5 - DAT 6 6 - DAT 7 8 - STROBE 12 - ONLINE 14 - CONN 17 - DAVFU 18 - DEMAND 20 - DAT 1 22 - DAT 2 23 - DAT 5 24 - DAT 4 26 - DAT 0 27-25 - MODULE GROUND It is a TTL-level interface. Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

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first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Peter Wallace wrote: >Something I remember on RA81s is that you have to go from >controller --> cable --> bulkhead connector --> cable --> disk > >if you go directly from controller to disk, you end up with pins swapped >and things dont work (but nothing hurt) I think the rule is you have an *odd* number of connecting cables - since each cable swaps. So in a MicroVAX 3600 you can go directly from KDA50 controller to RA7x internal drive. Or you can go from KDA50 to bulkhead, bulkhead to bulkhead on next cab (e.g. storage array) and from there a third cable goes internally from bulkhead to final drive. In the case of a 6000 typically you go from KDB50 (or KDM70) to bulkhead on 6000 chassis. Then 6000 chassis to Storage Array chassis. Then internally there is a cable from the Storage Array bulkhead to the drive itself. I don't know how the wiring was done for those later kits that allowed RA9x and/or RA7x drives to live in the bottom of the VAX 6000 chassis. Antonio

24 years, 8 months

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Tadpole Sparcbook 2: need bootable software

by bob＠copenhagen.cuug.ab.ca

Greetings all, I wonder if anyone can help me out here. I have a Sparcbook 2 I am trying to resurrect. One of the disks crashed several years ago. I have finally got around to finding a replacement, but now my backup tapes are unreadable, and the CD-ROM I have (NCE 2.0 for Solaris 1.1.1 Version A.2.3) turns out not to be a bootable OS installation CD at all :-( So, I am in search of a CD-ROM of the appropriate kind, or downloadable images of the relevant "stuff" so that I can boot this sucker across a network. I would appreciate a direct reply to my e-mail address so I don't overlook such a reply in the mass of stuff on this mailing list :-) Thanks, Bob. -- Bob Bramwell Snail: 60 Baker Cr. NW | ProntoLogical Calgary, AB | NO LOGO +1 403/861-8827 T2L 1R4, Canada |

24 years, 8 months

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VLB SCSI?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >I still occasionally have contact with one or more of those 5x86/133's, but they >generally had only one VLB slot. I always needed two or more. Whenever I run I have several of them with two VLB slots and video and IDE/floppy combo cards. They are fairly nice with 16mb ram running most anything, they make good linux boxen. Allison

24 years, 8 months

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Price guide for vintage computers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> > And although eBay appears to be doing nothing with all that > pricing information of all their past auctions, you never know. > On the other hand, I bet that if you published a price guide > in any market and directly noted that you derived your price > info from eBay auctions, they'd smack you with legal paper > urging you to cease and desist from mining their property > without permission. Ebay says they are not the content provider, so they cannot claim that the item description and closing price are their property. Glen 0/0

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VLB SCSI?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 12:17 AM 10/28/01 +0100, Iggy wrote: >I've got an IBM-made OEM machine (mine is branded by Lap Power) with a big >daughter-board with seven or so ISA slots and three VLB slots. The mobo >features a Blue Lightning processor and parity RAM. -snip- >Oh, it had an all-plastic DLC-33 FPU from IIT, too. I liked IIT FPU's. Long before MMX, they had things like 4x4 matrix multiply instructions (for implementation of 3D homogeneous transforms, rotation/scaling & such). And they were better at raw computations than the corresponding ix87 part. I remember hand-coding some robot control laws using those instructions. Even though the scaling row is usually left unused in robot apps (but it still is used for computations in the IIT FPU), thus producing some inefficiency, the built-in 4x4 was still much faster than a 3x4 matrix multiply algorithm. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

24 years, 8 months

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email/browser for DOS or C64/128?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/27/01 8:37:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, optimus(a)canit.se writes: << Russ Blakeman skrev: >I know I've seen many things on this in th epast but wasn't paying >attention. I have some free time now and want to do some tinkering. Are >there browsers and email agents for the Commodore 64/128 series and DOS >(2.11 through 6.22). I prefer a free or shareware one to be able to test it >to see if it's a POS or not. I want to use the DOS version on a few >platforms from an 8086/8088 to a 386. I have a 286 portable NEC that I'd >like to try it out on first. >> look for a program called nettamer. there were versions for xt and 386 class PCs. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

24 years, 8 months

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please Id cards (2)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 27, Headley Sappleton wrote: > the first card has two mmj ports one coax port and one 15-pin AUI port. Has the inscription DIGITAL 25793 50-21879-01. This is obviously a network card module or something. I am more concerned with what DEC/DIGITAL computer this is used for. It has a vme/nubus kind of connector that plugs it into the motherboard of the DEC No clue. > The second is a strange little card , that is obviously SUN Microsystems made. It has a SCSI port and a port that looks like a phone or 10BASET port with the inscription "TP" and a left/right arrow. This also has the following ID marks (5012981063784 -01 REV 50 LSI) This is a FSBE/S...fast SCSI with buffered 10Mbps ethernet. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

24 years, 8 months

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Sharp PC-5000 for sale

by vcf＠vintage.org

I have a new-in-box Sharp PC-5000 for sale at $350 or best offer by 6:00PM PST October 31st. That is, $350 takes it now (going by first received e-mail response); otherwise, it goes to the best offer under $350 that I receive by 6PM-10/31. Buyer pays shipping from zip code 94588. I am willing to ship internationally The Sharp PC-5000 is one of the very first clamshell style portables (later known as laptops) circa 1983. According to our own Uncle Roger, it even beat out the Gavilan. http://sinasohn.com/cgi-bin/clascomp/bldhtm.pl?computer=shp5000 This unit comes in the original box, with the original packing foam, is basically new, has the manuals and battery and power supply (everything that originally came with it), as well as a bubble memory carthridge. Photos: The Computer http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp5000.jpg The Box http://www.siconic.com/crap/sharp_box.jpg The Manual http://www.siconic.com/crap/Sharp_us_g.jpg The Bubble Memory Module http://www.siconic.com/crap/Sharp_Bm_box.jpg Please reply directly to me at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. If you have any questions, ask away! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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please Id cards (2)

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

the first card has two mmj ports one coax port and one 15-pin AUI port. Has the inscription DIGITAL 25793 50-21879-01. This is obviously a network card module or something. I am more concerned with what DEC/DIGITAL computer this is used for. It has a vme/nubus kind of connector that plugs it into the motherboard of the DEC The second is a strange little card , that is obviously SUN Microsystems made. It has a SCSI port and a port that looks like a phone or 10BASET port with the inscription "TP" and a left/right arrow. This also has the following ID marks (5012981063784 -01 REV 50 LSI)

24 years, 8 months

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Genrad Futuredata info

by clandrum＠monumental.com

For those few of you that may own a Futuredata development system (Tony?) I managed to track down the last engineer employed by Genrad/Kontron/Futuredata in the US. His name is Tom de Lellis and he can be reached at tdel(a)windriver.com Tom has a LOT of software and *some* hardware that I placed first dibs on... Also, having just joined this list, it would appear to be dominated by primarily big iron types instead of us IMSAI and S100 junkies. Assuming there are a few out there and you wish to correspond, here's what I have: Two loaded IMSAI 8080's with both 8 inch and 5.25 drives. An Odell CP/M 8085 multibus-based word processor Morrow systems portable CP/M machine Two Futuredata 2300 Z80 development machines Trash 80 Model 1 Altair (front panel and bus, looking for boz and front cover) Spare 8 inch Shugart drives 20 or 30 S100 boards of various types (mem, disk, cpu,IO) Masccomp 5500, 68010 Unix box I can burn 2708,2716,2732 EPROMs on a one-up basis if given an intel HEX file and some word of encouragement. Everything boots and I have extensive doc on everything. Would like to obtain a working ASR33 teletype with a paper tape punch. They guy who had the SOL + teletype drop in his lap made me drool. (and I bet he meant 750KB drives). FYI, I'm in Virginia about an hour west of DC, dodging the Anthrax clouds.... Craig Landrum CTO Mindwrap, Inc. home: clandrum(a)monumental.com work: craigl(a)mindwrap.com

24 years, 8 months

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[OT] New toy...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 27, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > FB (I dunno) FB means "Fine Business". > VIA BURO (I dunno again) Send a QSL card via a QSL bureau...a sort of clearinghouse and routing organization for QSL cards. -Dvae -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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[OT] New toy...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a new toy today... The FCC granted me the callsign KC9ALV. Now not only can I annoy my mom by leaving large computer parts around the house, I can annoy her by coming over the phone lines and TV and such. ^_^ (I'm just kidding... All I have that I can use is an HT, I didn't pass the Morse so the HF rig is a paperweight until December, which is the next time the test runs around here. But once I get HF access, I may have to worry! ^_^ And I do know enough about RFI to know how to stop it, I'm just making a joke about it.) -------

24 years, 8 months

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Falling off the internet

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I just received notification from Qwest that I am being moved to MSN, so I will be falling off the internet for a while until I get a new DSL provider hooked up. If there is desire to reach me, my work email is: clintw(a)colorado.cirrus.com Y'all be good, and play nice together :) Clint

24 years, 8 months

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by mhstein＠usa.net

You're quite right, the 5161 Personal Computer Expansion Unit; just threw one out last week, as a matter of fact... mike ---------------Original Message-------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:01:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Kees Stravers <kees.stravers(a)iae.nl> Subject: Re: SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free.. At 09:29 26-10-01 -0700, you wrote: >I have no idea why IBM did that. Perhaps intending it for some >"special" card that would need it, such as a coprocessor? AFAIK slot 8 in the XT was meant for a bus extender card. There was available a box which looked just like a XT but only had a psu and a passive motherboard inside. You put a bus ext card in that box and in the XT, and you could add seven more cards to the system. Kees. - -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl - Geldrop, The Netherlands http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/

24 years, 8 months

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RD54 and RT-11 5.4D

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >I recently swapped the MV II CPU and memory in my BA23 with a >PDP-11/73 CPU and memory. I booted RT-11 V5.4D and attempted >to init the RD54, which failed: > >.init /segment:5 du0: >DU0:/Initialize; Are you sure? Y >?DUP-F-Directory output error DU0: >The drive was working just fine as a ODS-2 volume. I don't have >to low-level format, do I? It it was working before all you need to do is INIT the disk to establish an RT file system. The problem is RT11 doesnt like 160mb as it wants not more than 32mb per logical or physical drive. Me I keep a bunch of quantum D540s (31mb) for that use. Allison

24 years, 8 months

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IBM PowerStation 530 - Who wants it?

by millerbj＠umich.edu

Hey all, Well, after dealing with my postings of rather mundane questions about the PowerStation 530 about a month ago, I disappeared. Now I'm back, and I've got only one question - who wants it? The thing is, as much fun as it would be to screw around with the thing, I simply don't have the time to do so, and what's the point of depriving the world of a classic computer just so that someday, I'll look at it, forget about this email list, and toss it in the trash. To hell with that. So, here goes: I know someone from this list already wanted the computer >from me, but I lost his/her email. If you still want it, you get first crack. Otherwise, anyone who's willing to drive over to Ann Arbor and pick it up from my dorm is more than welcome. Or, if the case need be, and you're close enough (say... 50 miles or so) and you want to pay me gas money, I'll drop it off (it gets really boring here, I drive around aimlessly to keep myself entertained, so going somewhere would be perhaps even more interesting). Oh, the computer is a working IBM Powerstation 530 without a monitor, keyboard, etc... I have an adaptor cable to convert the three D-sub mini BNC to regular BNC, and also perhaps 3 30 or so foot RGB BNC cables (probably not useful at all, but if someone wants them, again, just let me know). I don't know how much RAM, etc. I do have the key for it. Thanks, sorry for the length. Blair

24 years, 8 months

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Fw: BA350

by fultoncmf＠starband.net

I have a BA350 that has quit. According to the doc's I have a dead power supply. It would be a BA350-KF 150 watt power supply. Does anyone have any tips or tricks to these? If not any idea for finding a replacement? TIA Carl

24 years, 8 months

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Vintage NASA software available

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 Michael Nadeau wrote: > Open Channel Software is making old NASA applications available for > download. There is a fee involved for what's called the NASA Classics > collection, and the goal is to encourage commercial development of the > applications. The list is at http://www.openchannelsoftware.com/NASA_1.html. > I have no connection with OCS or NASA, but just happened to come across a > press release about the offer. I'm not sure how their current license will encourage any develpment, commercial or otherwise. I looked at the page for one program, for counting lines of source code: http://www.openchannelsoftware.com/projects/SLOCC/ Clicking the "Get SLOCC" link reveals cost of obtaining the source code to this written-in-Microsoft-Access-BASIC program is $100. According to the license, you can use, copy & modify the program only for non- commercial, private, internal purposes. You can't distribute it to anyone else. Very open source. How is that different from any other commercial prodcut for which source code is/was available for a fee? (VMS?) -- Mark

24 years, 8 months

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value of classic DEC machines?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: One Without Reason <vance(a)ikickass.org> > List me as one home-to-be for a working '11 system. > Anybody know if an 11/70 can be fit into a single rack? Yes but... You will be limited in options and cooling will likely require no side pannels or rear door. Allison

24 years, 8 months

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Falling off the internet

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Earthlink & Covad offer a static IP DSL service using PPPoet that I >should be able to make work under FreeBSD. 1.5MB down, 256? up, full >time connection, static IP, $64.95 a month. Seems like a smoking >deal to me... And QWest doesn't get a dime... And everyone I've >talked to about earthlink is reasonablly happy... I have been using SpeakEasy (www.speakeasy.net) for some time, and have been very happy with them. I have a static IP and no PPPoe! (Of course, I am also on iDSL). They offer a range of services, and a range of prices. You can check them out if you want (I get nothing for refering you, so I don't care either way, just figured I would give you another "good" DSL provider to widen your options) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 8 months

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VLB SCSI?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Does anyone have a VLB system that needs a VLB SCSI controllers? > I have an Ultrastor 34F and an Adaptec 2842 free, just pay shipping. > Otherwise, I'll just toss them. That was fast. They've been claimed. Thanks. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

24 years, 8 months

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ATEX?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Does anyone know anything about an ATEX system? A friend works for a local newspaper, and they use a system called ATEX (that is the only name anyone seems to know it by) to submit stories to press. It has a remote dial-in ability and I just wasted 3 hours tonight trying to teach my friend's friend how to use a terminal program to access the system (it would have been less time if my friend would have shut up and stopped trying to help... he just couldn't grasp that Zterm on the mac that he uses shares no common abilities with HyperTerm on windows that his friend is using). My point to this is, I realized after spending 3 hours on this, that in the SAME 3 hours, I could have written a simple GUI application to speak to the system and made life a million times easier. When I mentioned this to him and his friend, they started to drool. It seems most of the writers there use the remote ATEX dialup, and they ALL hate the command line terminals. He said people there would love to get access to a nice friendly program. That of course sang songs of Shareware into my head. So my question is... what are the possible commands that ATEX can use? My friend knows a handful of the basic common ones, which is a good starting ground, but he doesn't use all the features. He also knows there are features he uses from the terminals at work, that he can't use from home, because there are custom keys for them (I am sure they are just F keys that are mapped to certain commands, but that is above his head). He said he will try to get info on the system, but having dealt with the paper's IT staff before, I am sure he will hit a road block. I am looking for any info that anyone might have on one of these systems. I am SURE it is classic, as I know the same terminals are in use now as were in use when I toured the paper's offices in the 3rd grade. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 8 months

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blinkenlights for everybody (?)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. Some weeks ago there was a thread about blinkenlights and consoles. It was mentioned that a simple piece of hardware (just a few resistors two transistors and 16 LEDs) connected to the printer port of a PC can be brought to life when you run Ersatz-11. Well, it took some time for me to decide whether I should go 'public' with a project I intend to embark on. In short: a *_full_* console on a PC that runs Ersatz-11. The reason to announce the project is to get feedback. Am I on the right track. Have a look, on this page (part of my website) you can find a small ZIP file that contains the draft document that descibes it. http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html Any comment is appreciated. - Henk.

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MacOS DHCP Server?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Speaking of LocalTalk, does anyone have TOPS software for PCs? I have two copies of it (TOPS for DOS v2.1). Unfortuantly, both are in use (they go with my two LocalTalk cards), so I am not willing to get rid of them. However, I don't know your (or the general list) stance on abandonware, and if TOPS qualifies. If it does, and I won't get chastised on this list for doing so, I would have no problems duplicating the install disks, and running off a copy of the manual for you. Of course, I can't sell it to you (outside of postage and material costs) because that would be piracy no matter HOW you slice it (selling for profit a copy of software while retaining the original, even if abandonware, is just not right in my book). I do know that TOPS is serialized, and checks itself on the network. You need a different code for each copy. I don't think the software itself is serialized, so you can install from the same disks, you just need to register it with different codes or duplicates will disable each other. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 8 months

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OT: Re: Periodic rants on eBay

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > You know, if someone is going to be an excited collector, ! > they should be ! > an EDUCATED collector. ALL macs up thru the Plus and part ! > way thru the SE ! > were signed on the inside by the original design team. ! ! For that matter, my IIcis both have the signatures in the ! bottom of the case. Where exactly in the bottom? I'll have to check mine... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

24 years, 8 months

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ISA cards for free..

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, There was more demand for some of these than I would have guessed.... Thanks, however, to Sellam's Apple II Random Number Generator (heh -- couldn't resist), the "winners" have been chosen. Unfortunately, I left the list at home, so I'll notify people later today, when I go home for lunch. Still no takers on the Async cards (Tony is correct about the two jumper blocks), and still plenty of floppy controllers. Also, Tony was spot on about the Everex card. The 6116 is in a socket that can also accommodate a larger chip. I'd go with his guess that this is some sort of QIC controller/formatter... It's still up for grabs.... Rich B. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

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H9672 or H984 por one PDP/11 23 PLUS needed

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi there. Can somebody tell me a good place to obtain one H9672 or one H984 enclosures to put my PDP-11 23 PLUS enclosure plus another BA11 for expansion purposes I have ? I should like to know it because it's possible that I could obtain one Shugart 8" disk and one or two SMD. I have too one TS05 that I want to begin to hack, and I'd like to get all of them together and working. I have too three Shugart SA-800 8" floppy units that I must clean and probe. I need one enclosure for two of these units, that comes with power supply. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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value of classic DEC machines?

by spedraja＠ono.com

Yes if this is in Europe :-) Regards Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> Para: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Fecha: s?bado, 27 de octubre de 2001 6:47 Asunto: Re: value of classic DEC machines? >> I have an 11/70 and it's a beautiful machine. I'd love to have another to >> play with. >> >> Peace... Sridhar > >For every dog, there is a flea... >I'll send the scrap truck over to your huge warehouse next time;) >I've already turned down 2 complete 11/70s due to size- >you'll find most 11/70 configs too physically large for >most home or basement collections (3 racks?). They're also >hungry on the power side, so I don't run my Datasystem 570- >a repackaged 11/70 in a vax780-like "wide bay" - even if it >lives in a warehouse... > >At least two commercial DEC restorers I know basically scrap >the 70's (since "no one wants them" - which I read "no one wants >to pay for them" ) or are forced to remove them along with more >interesting stuff as part of the deal (and scrap them later;) >Should someone start an 11/70 orphanage for all those >unwanted machines? > >Cheers, >Heinz >

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ATEX?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Does anyone know anything about an ATEX system? Ok... ignore me. I over zealously posted this question to the list because you people are just so damn smart. If I had bothered to even LOOK for myself, I would have found ATEX.com, which even has a press release mentioning how The Record (the paper my friend works at) has been a user of theirs for over 25 years. So I think I found at least a strong pointer in the right direction. (Although, if anyone has a list of commands an ATEX system accepts, that would also be helpful... however, it seems they have a number of different systems available) Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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blinkenlights for everybody (?)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Looks great; good luck & congratulations. Just don't let Tony & the boys see that part about using 556's for baud rate & interrupt timers or THAT thread'll go on for another month... *Almost* makes me want to put a PC behind the Burroughs B2000 console I've got gathering dust in my basement... mike ----------------Original Message---------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:34:09 +0200 From: Gooijen H <GOOI(a)oce.nl> Subject: blinkenlights for everybody (?) Hi all. Some weeks ago there was a thread about blinkenlights and consoles. It was mentioned that a simple piece of hardware (just a few resistors two transistors and 16 LEDs) connected to the printer port of a PC can be brought to life when you run Ersatz-11. Well, it took some time for me to decide whether I should go 'public' with a project I intend to embark on. In short: a *_full_* console on a PC that runs Ersatz-11. The reason to announce the project is to get feedback. Am I on the right track. Have a look, on this page (part of my website) you can find a small ZIP file that contains the draft document that descibes it. http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/homebrew/startframe.html Any comment is appreciated. - - Henk.

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by r.stek＠snet.net

I'm still a little confused. Processor Technology Corp. (not Processor Technologies - couldn't find a reference for them on the web) best known machine was the Sol-20 - 8080 based in a blue metal cabinet, keyboard built in, with walnut wood sides. They supposedly made a small number of Sol-10's, and were planning on both an S-100 color board and a revised Sol - a Sol-II? Not sure of the name. Could what you have be a prototype? Their Helios drives were also packaged in a blue case and the drives were mounted vertically. I have owned Morrow assembled Discus 8" floppies, their first 5.25" hard drives (5, 10, 15 and 20 MB IIRC), and have worked on a 14" Morrow hard drive. I don't recall a 10" wide 7.50 MB drive. I do recall and had owned a 15 MB 5.25" drive from Morrow - I suppose if it had a bad platter it could have been sold as a 7.5 MB drive. IIRC, their drives just had the standard Shugart or Seagate black face plate and activity LED sticking out of a non-descript chassis with power supply, and had ribbon cables to attach to the S-100 controller card. Are we any closer to identifying this machine? Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Verified with a source, Sol50 from Processor Technologies. Company was named Processor Technology, not Processor Technologies. I join with others in failing to recall a SOL-50 in the line. Possibly, a third-party reselling re-labeled it to distinguish his value-added package from the standard SOL-PC, SOL-10, and SOL-20 which were what the firms actually sold. A Z-80 upgrade for the SOL that I recently sold came with a new nameplate to rename the machine 'ZOL' instead of 'SOL'; maybe we're looking at a similar phenomenon. Regards, -doug q

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Um, SOL50 fell in my lap

by r.stek＠snet.net

Do you mean a SOL-20 by Processor Technology? Also, Morrow Designs (Thinkertoys) made 8" SS DD and DS DD floppy drives - 512k to 1024k. Or are you referring to something completely different?

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by mhstein＠usa.net

> Was that "slot-8" compatibility creature a bug in the PC as well? Yes and no. :-) Since the PC had 5 slots, there was HARDLY EVER a problem with slot number 8! - -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com ------------------------------- ROFL! Been kinda missing the humour on here; thanks for the chuckle, Fred!

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SLOT 8 (was: ISA cards for free..

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

At 09:29 26-10-01 -0700, you wrote: >I have no idea why IBM did that. Perhaps intending it for some >"special" card that would need it, such as a coprocessor? AFAIK slot 8 in the XT was meant for a bus extender card. There was available a box which looked just like a XT but only had a psu and a passive motherboard inside. You put a bus ext card in that box and in the XT, and you could add seven more cards to the system. Kees. -- kees.stravers(a)iae.nl - Geldrop, The Netherlands http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/

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Reading non-PC format floppies (+ OT questions :-)

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Iggy sez: >Sellam Ismail skrev: >>Tony, please cut the bullshit already. *snip* >rudeness. Why do you feel such an urge to insult everyone and everything on >this list? Oi, I thought it was funny. Hillarious, even. Sheesh, I would pay real money for a few "programmers" on Tony's level of competence... OBclassiccmp: I'm playing with various bits of hardware as time permits. If anyone has info, please forward, it will help me re-reverse-engineer the wheel... (1) Osborne 1. - Keyboard is shorted internally. Screen reads "insert disk and press Enter" or whatever, then refreshes / redraws all the time. This stops when I unplug the keyboard. I think I know which two pins connect to the Enter key, when I short those two pins same thing happens. I'm suspecting the 8877 FDC chip. Does anyone have: -- Memory (I/O) map -- Schematic (ja sure :-) -- BIOS disassembly -- tips on fixing the keyboard? (2) Apollo DN3000 and DN3500 -- Looks like the monitor/BIOS rom for the 3000 was written in C. Anybody know anything more than this? -- Memory map? -- Schematics? (I kill myself, I know :-) (3) WPC (checks, youch, well, the system is 10 years old, even though my Addams Family will only get there in 2002...) Bank switched 6809. Figured out the memory map and most of what I need to know of the ASIC from the MAME source. How *they* figured it out is anyone's guess, but there's a bunch of hackers worth admiring. -- Generic question... anyone else messing around with WPC? Or Sys80 for that matter? (Haunted House, for those who are still reading :-) Seeya all Wouter www.retro.co.za

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FS: Emulex P800, Gatorstar GXR, LanBridge

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 26, Chuck McManis wrote: > I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a > terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual > Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks > like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but > there you go. Free to a home somewhere. The Emulex "Performance 4000", at least, is indeed a terminal server. > Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like > straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do > filtering or something? The LANbridge 100 and 150 do MAC-level bridging. I'm told they support spanning tree. I've used many of them to segregate networks; they've always served me well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HH8899 eecchhoo

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

I was recently given a Heathkit H89 with all three distribution disks. The system boots CP/M 2.2, looks for a configuration file, doesn't find it on the write-protected boot disk, and initiates a setup program. The setup utility offers a "standard" configuration, or I can display settings for all of the physical and logical devices, and change those settings. Upon exiting the setup program, the result is always the same: all keyboard input produces double characters on the screen. I don't see anything in the setup utility pertaining to local echo. What am I missing here? Glen Goodwin 0/0

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MacOS DHCP Server?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Sounds like you actually have the software running, whats it like, what are >you doing with it? >From the PC side of things, it is just being used to access a networked printer over our old AppleTalk network. I have just been too lazy to upgrade that wing of the building to Ethernet to match the rest of the place. So they use the old TeleNet network, and that now terminates in my office, where it routes thru a Localtalk to Ethernet converter, and continues on to the Ethernet network, where they access our HP 4000 (or any other printer they want). It works great for this, but honestly, I would have to play a bit with it to tell you much about it. I am not the one that originally installed the software on the PCs, so I know little about it. I could tell you more about the Mac end of things, as we used to actually use the file sharing abilites of that (up until System 7 added easier to use personal file server). It has been a while since I had a mac with it installed (we stopped buying it for new macs when I explained one day, that if all we were doing was printing, we didn't need tops on the mac, appletalk printing was built in... so my boss stopped paying $400 a pop for it... it wasn't until later that I started using it for file sharing, figuring we had it, might as well use it) >Abandoneware is one thing, but this is "throw your customers off a >cliffware". Ultimately Sun owns the rights to the TOPS network protocol, at >least I think, but Symantec and Farallon pretend this era of product which >came with LIFETIME support etc. never existed. All the versions I have are marked as being from Sun, who is the only company I remember dealing with for TOPS (not saying others didn't own it, I just never dealt with them... my boxes are all marked "TOPS Division of Sun Microsystems... implying that they TOPS on a whole). The customer support manual does very specifically state that as a registered user, I get free support, no matter how long I own TOPS, as long as I own the current, or the previous release. They also say I get free notification of enhancements, updates, and new products... I have 2.1 for DOS, I wonder if that still qualifies... Why aren't they spamming me with new product announcements damnit! >Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail box new old stock product, >then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the >company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of >their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the >package. I think I have an unopened copy of Windows For Workgroups.... That must have been pricey in its day... I wonder if MS will give me my money back... oh wait, no they won't, at least not if their refusal to the Linux community is any indication. Humm... does that then relieve me of the agreement, if I refused to accept it, and notified them, and they refuse to take it back and refund me... shouldn't I be legally allowed to do with it as I please, including use the disks as drink coasters? (You thought I would say duplicate it and give it away, but I can't in good concious subject others to Windows anything!) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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NCD collectors/users?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got a set of three NCD X-terminals, an HMX, an HMXpro, and an HMXpro24 that are available in the SF Bay area, I've got no idea if they work or not, no reason to believe that they don't. If someone can indicate how to test them I'll do that. Ideally to trade for some sort of DEC VAX stuff. --Chuck

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FS: Emulex P800, Gatorstar GXR, LanBridge

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Anyone need a GatorStar GXR? From the web: GatorStar GXR -- an active device that combines an AppleTalk router attached to an Ethernet and a LocalTalk network with an AppleTalk to TCP/IP gateway (LocalTalk does not support direct transmission of IP packets) so that IP packets on the Ethernet are passed as special IP packets on the LocalTalk. A GatorStar GXR is a specific example, there are other products that do similar things Best/Any offer by 5:00PM monday PST takes it. Minimum off is "I'll cover the cost of mailing it to me." I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but there you go. Free to a home somewhere. Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do filtering or something? --Chuck

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The new VAX is alive!

by rdd＠smart.net

This afternoon, I ordered, and then picked up, a cable with MMJ connectors on it from Control Cable (they're in Woodlawn, MD) - a nice place to deal with; they specialize in cabling and related products, and what they sell appears to be of very good quality. The cost of the assembled cable was only a few cents different from their cost for a cable and two MMJ connectors, and was under US$5; of course, I had to pay US$5 extra since the order was under US$50, but that was no worse than shipping would have been if I'd ordered them from elsewhere. After connecting the VT320 to the VAX, I reset the system password. Fortunately, this VAX has the "real VMS" (TM) for VAXen on it: VAX/VMS, and it's a reasonably recent version: 5.5, which was close to the lastest version of VMS back when I last worked with a VAX for an employer, back around 1992. :-) This far, I haven't noticed anything truly remarkable with regards to software, although at first glance, it looks like nothing is missing. Fortunately, someone installed kermit, so that will make things, such as installing TCP/IP, easier. :-) There appears to be a fair amount of audio software, which I think may all be for use with that DECVoice system; text to voice software, for example. Since I don't have a T1 telephone connection, alas, it appears that I'm not going to be able to use this DECVoice hardware, and the audio software on this machine. Also, there's a mention of SQL in one of the text files that I looked through, although I didn't notice any database software installed; of course, I don't know the names of databases using SQL for VAXen. DECnet is installed and apparently configured, so I guess this means that I can use my DEC terminal server with this machine... do I need to do anything other than connect the terminal server to the VAX and then use it? I know nothing about DECnet. Of course, there's still the little matter of no tape drive being installed in this system, which is not a good thing. I have a TK70 and a TK50, along with a TKQ70 board. -- Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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