- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I found two large white Intel boxs yesterday. They're not labeled but I > think they're the old Intel ICE boxs. There's also two pods with them, one > is for a iAPX 186 an the other is for an iAPX 286 (80186 CPU and 80286 CPU > for the ones of you that don't speak Intel). This brings up an interesting piece of trivia... Has anyone ever seen one of the prototype iAPX386 chips? The iAPX386 was what would have been sold as the 80386, but the prelim documents I've got don't describe the virtual 8086 mode that was present in the shipped 80386 chips. The name change happened during the lawsuit with AMD. Under a technology swap agreement, Intel should have forwarded the info on the 386 to AMD. But ultimately, AMD had to clean-room engineer their 386 clone chip. I always thought that Intel changed the name from the iAPX line to what was actually the part number (i.e. the iAPX286 had the part number 80286), and also made slight changes to the feature set, just for the purpose of being able to say to AMD "well, we would give you the iAPX386, but we decided not to produce it." -dq

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by MTPro＠aol.com

I've been following all of the great Lisa discussion. People get very messed up with the "what's a Lisa 2 and what's a Mac XL" criteria. If the machine in question has not been adulterated with a ROM upgrade or screen modification, etc., it can run the Lisa OS - any Lisa 2 or Mac XL. All Mac XLs are Lisa 2s, Apple merely renamed them in 1985. The "plain" Lisa 2 is the same as the Lisa 2/5, just with no external 5 mb Profile hard drive. It was generally not sold without a hard drive, as it was basically useless without one. Here's the breakdown on differences per the Lisa/Macintosh XL Do-it-yourself Guide - Lisa 2: The Lisa 2 has one 3.5-inch 400K disk drive, different disk drive controller circuitry, and a redesigned front panel to accommodate the single 3.5-inch drive opening. A 400K floppy controller, labeled the "Lisa Lite Adapter," is mounted inside the disk drive cage. The System I/0 board is socketed for an AMD 9512 arithmetic processor. It has nickel-cadmium battery backup for the real time clock. One 512K memory board is standard. The mother board has a mouse connector, two serial connectors, and an external parallel connector. The power supply is rated 1.2 A. Lisa 2/10: The Lisa 2/10 has a completely different motherboard. The mouse connector is different. There's no external parallel connector on the back of the computer. Instead, there's an internal parallel connector and a 10MB internal I hard drive. An interrupt switch has been added. The system I/0 board is also different. There's no socket for the AMD 9512 coprocessor. There's no nickel-cadmium battery backup for the real time clock. The disk drive controller is different. An extra chip on the 1/0 board replaces the Lisa Lite Adapter which was formerly located in the drive cage. The disk drive cabling is different. The wiring harness is different. The power supply is different. One megabyte of RAM is standard. If you have Lisa OS disks, a 10MB internal hard drive, no Lisa Lite card, no external parallel connector, and a 1.8-A 110/220V power supply, yours is at least a Lisa 2/10. Macintosh XL: The Macintosh XL is exactly the same as a Lisa 2/10. Only the sticker on the box, the operating system, and the instruction manuals are different. Instead of Lisa OS, the bundled OS is Macintosh System software and MacWorks XL, a Lisa program which allows 64K Macintosh ROM emulation. If you have MacWorks XL instead of Lisa OS disks, a 10MB internal hard drive, no Lisa Lite card, and a 1.8-A power supply, yours is probably a MacintoshXL. A lot of people confuse the hardware differences as coming about due to the renaming, but this was not the case. When Sun Remarketing in Logan, Utah bought up the bulk of remaining "Mac XLs" from Apple they slowly began tweaking them to make them more Mac-like. My first Lisa which I bought from them in December 1989 for $1095 had started life as a Lisa 2/5. Sun Remarketing had installed the screen modification kit (giving it square pixels like a Mac instead of it's native rectangular ones), Mac Plus 128k ROMs to support the installed 800k drive and a Sun Remarketing installed internal 20 mb hard drive. The hard drive was interesting because it was installed internally, yet it's cable extended under the rear cage cover to attach to the external parallel port. Ok, ok, I go on and on. Interesting stuff eh? Best, David Greelish Publisher Classic Computing Press www.classiccomputing.com

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History of Computing exam question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Tony Duell wrote: > [1] The PE Digical may be one of the first hobbyist calculators > (published 1972, all built from TTL chips), but it wasn't programmable. > Stick it on the list if you like. Sorry no details, but there was a similar design in Wireless World, circa 1968/9 - built from DTL I think. Chris Leyson

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History of Computing exam question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Here's my list. It's a bit disorganised, and doubtless some of the > machines shouldn't really be there, but anyway. I am going to [snip] Ok, one more for me: Symbolics lisp machine (whatever model...) Incredibly advanced for the time... maybe even for today. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Up for Grabs: Intel ICE boxs and pods

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found two large white Intel boxs yesterday. They're not labeled but I think they're the old Intel ICE boxs. There's also two pods with them, one is for a iAPX 186 an the other is for an iAPX 286 (80186 CPU and 80286 CPU for the ones of you that don't speak Intel). The boxs are about 18" wide x 24" deep x 12" high. They look complete and intact. I'm sure the owner has no idea what they are and would sell them cheap ($20?-$40?). They're located on the east side of Orlando. If anyone wants them contqct me and I'll point you to them. But I DO NOT have the room to store them or the time to ship them. I've been giving and throwing away my own stuff due to lack of room so don't ask me to yours. If you want them you'll have to come get them or make arrnagements for someone else to store/ship them to you. Joe

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 2:39:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com writes: > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > I don't think you have to worry about a few Apples. They are more plastic than scrap. Apple II breakage is worth about 6 cents per pound In one warehouse we rented in NW Portland over a decade ago we used to roll out pallets of valueless stuff (filmstrip projectors, school electronics, old terminals not worth taking apart) and leave it on the sidewalk overnight. We would then go up several floors and watch people go by, screech to a halt and fill their cars with as much as they could cram in. We had a great time watching and it cut our garbage bill in half. Valuable stuff doesn't get left outside. Go ask. You will be rewarded with surprises. Let us know what you find. If you are interested in purchasing some of his scrap, offer him twice the scrap value. If you or anyone on the list needs help establishing scrap values please contact me offline. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Littleboard Lives!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I have them, I need to dig and transfer to PC though. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: Littleboard Lives! >It's kind of odd hearing a 5.25 disk being formatted after all these >years. :) > >Of the disks I have with the system, I seem to be missing the tools to >format a hard drive for the machine. >They're "H" tools - HINIT, HFORMAT, etc. If anyone here has them, I'd >really appriciate getting copies! FYI, my BIOS revision is 3.8 - 3.0 is >the min rev listed in the manual. > >Thanks! > >G. >

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > > > > ;) > > > > -dq > > paint the car! > :) Good suggestion... I never wanted to own a red car, red paint adds 20mph to the apparant land speed... -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Unless he chases you away with a shotgun loaded with rock salt. That > > > would hurt. > > > > My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in > > the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" > > Take the bus. HAHAHHAHAHA! Louisville has the Transit Authority of River City (TARC), and a few busses and shuttles come over across the Ohio to Indiana, but no way is it anything like you can stand on a corner, go somewhere in Indiana, get off, do something, etc. There isn't even a bus route I can take home from work (though there is one I can take *to* work)... -dq

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman skrev: > > >> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > >That would be System 6.0.8 > > Such utter rubbish. Version 8 was the last major release for 68k machines, > though it usually would only install on '040 machines. The latency to Holland is even worse than thw camel-train... -dq

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List Really Does Look Like It's Been Breached

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, I got plain-old SPAM (well, it was HTML, but seemingly free of virii) this morning with these headers: ============================================================ Received: from opal.tseinc.com ([209.83.143.19]) by jeffserver.tegjeff.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id X671RYZ5; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:08:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05267 for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-outgoing; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:46:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org) X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org using -f Received: from 3w-smtp-ad.korea.com ([211.109.1.114]) by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05262 for <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:46:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fortune(a)12ji.com) Received: from 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com ([172.31.1.12]) by 3w-smtp-ad.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:17 +0900 Received: from 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com ([127.0.0.1]) by 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:12 +0900 Received: from 211.109.1.13 by 3w-pop3-ai.korea.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:44:54 +0900 Received: from 12ji.com ([211.186.123.108]) by 3w-pop3-ac.korea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3651); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:44:03 +0900 Message-ID: <3222855-220011153063355370(a)12ji.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 To: "12ji" <fortune(a)12ji.com> From: "Anne Collins" <fortune(a)12ji.com> Subject: Your fortune of the week Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:55 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2001 06:44:03.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[666A47A0:01C1796A] Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ============================================================ We need a moderation mechanism of some kind. The newsgroup alt.sysadmin.recovery requires the presence of a special header in order for the post to appear. Can we do that for the list, or will the SPAMbots just walk around that Maginot line? -dq

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Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I understand discontinuing a product but could never quite figure out why >you would actually destroy equipment. I mean what is the point? I suppose this was apple logic, they wanted you to buy something OTHER than the lisa, so they had the choice of sell off/give away all the discontinued lisa's (they didn't want them being used, so that was out of the question)... or junk them. If you just normal junk them (haul them to the scrap yard and dump them in a pile), you risk the very real possibility that the scrapper will salvage them and sell them off (makes sense, they ARE in the buying and selling scrap business)... which again, means they would be in the market, something apple didn't want... only NOW they would be in the market and apple didn't get a buck. So by destroying them beyond hope... they remove them from the market 100%. I personally think this is stupid, but hey, I don't run apple, and they seem to have their own form of logic. And then there is always the chance it was just a Jobs thing. IIRC, he was more or less in charge when this was done, and he worked more on the mac then the lisa (even though, I think the original lisa specs were his idea)... so to Jobs and the ever expanding ego, he wanted to rub salt in the wounds of the Lisa team, by not only showing that the lisa didn't sell as well... but that thousands of unsold ones were turned into dust at apple's expense. I that logic is why it might be a while before Apple comes out with anything that might resemble a Newton (since the Newton was Scully's baby, and Scully was in charge when Jobs was outsted). I don't think it was a co-incidence that the first thing Jobs did on his return was violently kill off the newton... and I think it will be a while before his ego will allow a return of a similar product... the iPod is probably paving the way to erase the Newton memory, so when one DOES come out, it will be seen as an advanced iPod, not as a Newton II. Just my 2 cents -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Concise list of different Mac models

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > Oooops...I know, I shouldn't reply to myself but the above link > > should be: > > > > http://www.applespec.com/ > > > > The downloadable versions, plus mirrors, are located there. > > > Thnaks that's what I needed. I did not realize that the data-base was > downloadable. Nice setup. Anyways, I exported as csv and used excel to > make up an 8 page list. Still bigger that I want but I can work on that I didn't realize it was online! The only version I've seen was distributed on MacAddict disks in the last few years; ISTR it's a FileMaker application... which means it's probably a Fourth Dimension app.. -dq

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CompatiCard I manual

by donm＠cts.com

Can anyone point me at a scan of the manual for the Compaticard I (or even II). I thought that I was smart enough to make a Xerox copy when I had one, but if so I am not smart enough to find it :( Thanks. - don

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Any value to anyone

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Are these of any value to anyone (ie: does anyone want these, sale/trade/pickup whatever): Intel branded 386 (looks like an AT clone like case). 8mb RAM, 40m IDE HD, 5.25 HD FDD, 3.5 HD FDD, VGA, 1 Parallel, 2 Serial, AT Keyboard, ISA slots. IBM 5160, 5.25 FDD, 3.5 FDD (both DD?), 20mb XT Hard Drive, CGA, 1 parallel, 1 serial. Neither are tested yet, I picked them up out of the garbage last night. I scored about a dozen machines in various condition. These are the only two of interest so far. (Others have been partially canabalized generic 286's, 386's and 486's... now they are totally canabalized, and the carcases have been dumpstered). If someone has some interest, I would be willing to test these machines, otherwise they too will be stripped untested and unneeded/wanted parts will be dumped. Also, I have an IBM ProPrinter, and some Epson cut sheet dot matrix printer thing, both also untested if anyone has an interest (at least these will eventually be tested and either shelved/traded/given away if working, or pitched if dead) I'll hold them until tomorrow (friday), but then they get stripped. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Your fortune of the week

by fortune＠12ji.com

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I doubt it. There may be very few contracts that require this sort of > thing, but honestly, if the company scrapping the equipment was that worried > about it, they'd scrap it themselves. I have heard that NSA does this, and > that further they (to paraphrase) "slag their disks and post armed guards > around the slag." it's true; a friend has a CDC 1700, formerly NSA property... and nothing that could hold software was part of the deal (although I think he got to keep the core). -dq

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Slowdown util for 486/586 systems to emulate XT/AT systems

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Thanks spike - I already have a slowdown util - Windoze :-) Just won myself an HP85A on ebay - happy again. Chris

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Lexmark serial to parallel converter

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

I recently picked up a Lexmark serial to parallel converter p/n 1363110 and was wondering if anyone on the list might have a setup doc on it? It has 12 dip switches and NO markings. I called Lexmark customer Service, and discovered that it is an oxymoron . . . . Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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OT: Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by classiccmp＠knm.yi.org

Hi, I know this is completely off topic for the list, but I'm in a bit of a jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with it originally (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they couldn't replace exactly). Anyway, the result of this is I'm looking for someone who has said CDs and wouldn't mind copying them, or even making isos for me, so I can get her laptop up and running again. Thanks a lot guys - I'll try not to be off topic in future :&) -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

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OT: Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 20:22, Matt London wrote: > Hi, > I know this is completely off topic for the list, but I'm in a bit of a > jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows > install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from > refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with it originally > (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they > couldn't replace exactly). > > Anyway, the result of this is I'm looking for someone who has said CDs > and wouldn't mind copying them, or even making isos for me, so I can get > her laptop up and running again. You may not need them. You can probably just do a standard Windows install, and add any special drivers you need. You can download most things from Compaq's website, look at http://www.compaq.com/athome/support/ If my (limited) experience of Compaqs is anything to go by, you're probably better off with a standard install anyway, all the special CDs seem to do is make backups of certain things and possibly configure the BIOS. You used to be able to get all the setup disks from Compaq's website, though I haven't looked at it for a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Martha Stewart

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 13:47, Neil Cherry wrote: > Actually I'd like to find a nice way to hid various components so that > they don't show up at first glance. Of course this is related to my HA > background (hobby of course) and the fact that if I had a PDP 8 it > would look a little out of place in my living room (I've got the > garage and a computer for my 'stuff'). If you find a way, let me know. When I had fixed my PDP-8 and was running the inchworm program, Liz came to look and said something like "that'll be nice for Christmas, with those lights." So of course I suggested I move it into the lounge, but she didn't seem to think that would be good for my health :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Dataproducts printer inteface

by steve＠airborn.com.au

Does anyone have details on the signals used in the (old) Dataproducts printer inteface? Basically I know it uses differential signals - otherwise similar to centronics - but I would like details. I have the Pinout: http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/parallel/dataproductsdsub50.html I would like a description of "Demand" signal and the polarity of "Strobe" and "OnLine" I would like to know the levels (I presume TTL) If anyone can help me out, perhaps I can respond in kind by giving them the final result - a circuit for a Centronics-->Dataproducts interface. steve(a)airborn.com.au

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History of Computing exam question

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Tapley [mailto:mtapley@swri.edu] > Hans asked: > >List the 20 to 30 systems you would display and briefly explain the > >reason for choosing each. > Fun question. Don't have time to really organize, but here's > parts of my list: [snip] A few good ones you didn't mention: Starbridge sytems HAL A new production system that's completely FPGA based, and sports some pretty impressive performance numbers. Strictly speaking off-topic since it's a new machine... SGI Iris 2000 Likely the first serious (depending on your definition of the word) graphical workstation Amiga (any) Aside from being the epitome of desktop computing, it's the only system I know that's survived <how many?> buy-outs Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Ebay: Tandy portable computer printer cable

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

I just posted a Tandy 25-1409 cable on ebay that I though smeone here might be interested in. Look up item 1304091652 to see it. The package states that it's for "most portable computers" and has a centronics 36 on one side, IDS 26 female on the other.

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Adobe Loss in California District Court, Good News for ClassicCmp rs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but Adobe has lost a suit regarding the transferrability of software licenses. The court has rules that even if the wording of a license specifically prohibits the resale of the software by the original buyer to a new owner, the original owner is within their rights in doing so. Of course, without a doubt, Adobe will likely appeal this at least as far as the California Supreme Court. We can only hope they'll lose there as well. Should this ultimately hold true, much old classic software for our classic computers will be available >from old licensees who no longer need the licenses. Some license holders may still not feel comfortable with this, fearing some potential liability. But it still sounds good for us collectors. For those of you who own firms who license software to clients, I hope you can look beyond the tiny loss of revenue this might possibily represent. -dq

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Macintosh

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> I think the lag originates with me. For some reason, if I >use the server at work to send out STMP mail as originating with my >Earthlink account chances are most of the messages will be detained >somewhere along the way, whether just a few minutes or at times it's >been over a day. The actual hold appears to be done on the >listserver end though as the mail seems to exit our server normally. Interesting... I assumed it was due to the list server machine being used during the day for other tasks (or something else in the chain). Daytimes (normal business hours), seems to have about an hour lag between posting, and recieving (making a simply Q&A session take upwards of two hours to complete). But at night, I notice the lag is much lower (sometimes only a few minutes). Just my unscientific, "feel" for it (can't say I have ever timed it or looked at time stamps on the emails) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the > > yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda > > assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). > > It never hurts to ask, right? > > Unless he chases you away with a shotgun loaded with rock salt. That > would hurt. My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" ;) -dq

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Adobe Loss in California District Court, Good News for Classi cCmp rs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but Adobe has lost a > > suit regarding the transferrability of software licenses. The court > > has rules that even if the wording of a license specifically prohibits > > the resale of the software by the original buyer to a new owner, the > > original owner is within their rights in doing so. > > > > Of course, without a doubt, Adobe will likely appeal this at least as > > far as the California Supreme Court. We can only hope they'll lose > > there as well. > > We can only hope that common sense will continue to prevail. We can only hope! -dq

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Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Matt London [mailto:classiccmp@knm.yi.org] > jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows > install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from > refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with > it originally > (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they > couldn't replace exactly). I don't suppose you've suggested netbsd to her? ;) I suppose I'm lucky that mine hates windows _almost_ as much as I. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? >Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract >sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to >violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Ok, so then there is no direct law that says items sold as scrap have to remain scrap. So if a company sells 1000 working computers as scrap, and doesn't specify that they have to be destroyed (although I am sure they would specify that), then the scrapper is under no obligation to trash them, and can sell them as working systems. That is kind of what I thought the deal would be (and should be). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg > > That's a photo of a 180, which he also has (or was it a 170?) and is > working on getting running. The console in the photo I posted was for the > 960, which you can't see in the background. My understanding was that 180 was the series designation, 960 was the model designation. In the 170 series they went about as far as 170/855 before they essentially dropped the series designation. -dq

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Macintosh

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 03:31 PM 11/29/01 -0000, you wrote: >> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh >> System to run on >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > >According to LowEndMac it's either 7.6.1 or 8.1 depending on the machine.... > >-- >Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd 8.1 is right, but you need a 68040. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > > >That would be System 6.0.8, and you should be abe to > >download it from Apple's FTP site. Try navigating > >through the stuff at http://mirror.apple.com/. > > Actually, up to System 7.5.5 easily runs on 68k Mac's such as > Quadra 605's (which use a 68040). I believe System 8.1 will also run > on some 68k Mac's though 8.5 requires a PPC. For a minimalist > machine, System 7.1 certainly runs well. A camel train has less latency than this list! -dq

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Ampro Littleboard problems..

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Depending on the Eprom installed a prompt is not always to be expected. Mine has 3.mumble and does not prompt. However it does boot most anything bootable it can find including SCSI hard disk. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. >Though there are many "Little Board" products from Ampro, the ones I have, which >are the originals from back in '83 or so, will produce a prompt if you (1) have >no floppy attached, or (2) don't have a diskette in it. If it's not producing >that prompt, I'd say you need to look elsewhere than the floppy drive. > >Aside from single-sided drives, I've never encountered a 48TPI drive that this >machine wouldn't boot once it's jumpered for DS0. > >Nevertheless, if it's not producing the prompt, something's seriously wrong. >There aren't many parts that could be broken, but perhaps you should look into >which one it might be. My experience has been that if it doesn't produce that >prompt, it won't boot under any circumstances. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:58 AM >Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. > > >> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: >> > >> > > I've got a Littleboard I'm tring to bring up. When I feed it a disk, >> > > and power it up, it will select the drive, spin it and shut down after >> > > about 3 to 5 seconds. I never hear a head step. Nothing shows up on the >> > > serial port (port a, 9600). The drive I'm using is a Teac FD-54B-02-U >> > > and the two jumpers are set to DS0 and IU. >> > >> > I presume that is a typo and it really is an FD-55B. Is it terminated? >> > I assume a straight cable since it is selected. The FD-55s that I use >> > are jumpered DS0 (for straight cable), HS, IU, and SM on the two main >> > jumper headers. PM is also jumpered on its own header. >> > >> >> Don, the number on the back of the drive really is FD-54B. As far as >> termination, I don't know. There is no place for what I would call a >> "traditional" floppy termination pack. There is a SIP resistor soldered >> into the board right ahead of the data connector. I don't have the drive >> in front of me now, but I don't recall seeing "SM" as being a jumper >> position. I do recall the "HS" labelling however. >> >> I don't recall anything marked "PM" at all. >> >> Thanks! >> >> g. >> >> >> >

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Interesting, I've got the lamps (I'd been hoping for LEDs), but I didn't connect the wires for testing. Looks like the next step when I get home will be to figure out which wire plugs into which connector on the front panel. Unfortunatly the person that took the system apart and shipped it didn't make notes. OTOH, he did a magnificent job of packing and the system came with full doc's. Zane > > If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS > down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since > they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. > > Allison > -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM > Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 > > > >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with > >everything disconnected. > > > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is > >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc > >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, > >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more > >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, > >but it doesn't look to be used. > > > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be > >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just > >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can > >help it. > > > > Zane > >-- > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > >| | Classic Computer Collector | > >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > > >

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed > to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, > and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it > however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? I doubt it. There may be very few contracts that require this sort of thing, but honestly, if the company scrapping the equipment was that worried about it, they'd scrap it themselves. I have heard that NSA does this, and that further they (to paraphrase) "slag their disks and post armed guards around the slag." Most companies likely just throw the stuff out and don't care what happens to it afterwards. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When supposedly scrapped S/Ns began appearing on the used market, > as I was told, DEC learned of the scheme, and, without telling the > bidding scrappers, installed a chipper to convert the material > to pieces no larger than about 5cm on a side, steel racks included. > I heard the next scrapper was most surprised when he big on a load of > scrap that really was a load of scrap. This brings me to a question that's probably been discussed here; I just recently found the local computer recycling firm. I was luck enought to pull two late-model Apple //e's from a cardboard box sitting in front of the business during the Thanksgiving holiday. Also two Apple 5.25 inch flopppies, a 130MB Seagate IDE drive, a 550MB (?) Seagate IDE drive, and a rather nice late-model compact IBM keyboard (has Windows key). But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). By all means, go back and see what they say. Generally I've found that hardware is fair game to repair (if needed) and re-sell. Most won't touch the software because of legal problems, but some are more zealous about removing it than others. (some also leave it to the people throwing the stuff away to remove software, which often isn't done) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > >in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > >(I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > >standard). > > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? If they purchase it from the original owners with the understanding that the stuff will be destroyed instead of resold, it would be a breach of (probably verbal) contract. -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by CLeyson＠aol.com

> Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). It's worth asking. I recently bought a scrapped Takeda Riken audio spectrum analyzer from my employers. It's been gathering dust for the last 5 to 6 years. They were glad to rid of it and I have a broken toy with a 16-bit bit-slice processor. Chris

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 12:23:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? > > Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Certified destruction is a contract where destruction is usually certified by an outside auditor. A good scrapper holds to his contracts in order to get repeat business and maintain his reputation as reliable. There are many shady and fly by night people in the scrap business. There are many good and reliable people too. Paxton Astoria, OR Pa

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Just found kernel32.exe and kdll.dll and zapped them. Thanks Lawrence. I made the mistake of opening the infected attachment. Sunday 25th. Spent hours looking for inetd.exe, kern32.exe and hksdll.dll (Badtrans.a) According to McAffe:- "This mass mailing worm attempts to send itself using Microsoft Outlook by replying to unread and read email messages. It also mails itself to email addresses found within files that exist on your system. It drops a keylogging trojan (detected as PWS-Hooker with the 4173 DATs, or greater) into the SYSTEM directory as KDLL.DLL. This trojan logs keystrokes for the purpose of stealing personal information (such as credit card and bank account numbers and passwords). This information is later emailed to the virus author(s)." I never could get Outlook to install - how do I know what my POP3 address is !! Thankyou Microsoft. Chris

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with >everything disconnected. > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, >but it doesn't look to be used. > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can >help it. > > Zane >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Dawson <whdawson(a)mlynk.com> >I'm using Outlook 2000 with the latest Microslop patches/security updates >and the latest version of ZoneAlarm, 2.6.357, so I avoided infection. I avoid it by running NT4/sp4 with IE4.02, an older version. Then I disable activex, comx and VBS.scripting as those things are needed by virii to propagate. The end result was that virus at home did little more than generate an unknown image type, afterwhich I deleted in and waved bye to it. Allison

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 11:34:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com writes: > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). > > Go back. It always pays to ask. Most scrap dealers buy outright their scrap. Ii is only a small portion of the contracts that specify no resale. And certified destruction is a very small part of the scrap business. We only had two or three certified destruction contracts in the years I worked with a scrapper. One were the BIIN computers. Another was 600 Fujitsu 2333 HDs, that was an interesting week of work. Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR

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Martha Stewart

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 02:10 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >Hungarian notation meets Homemaker nation... > > lpszGoodThing? ROFL! -q

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Looks like the Classiccmp archives may have been broached by some lame spammer. Has anyone else gotten an audio file from S. Ring <_sring(a)uslink.net> with an audio file attachment, bearing the subject of an old CC message? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with everything disconnected. I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, but it doesn't look to be used. Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can help it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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HP Calulator Patents

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Here is a partial list of patents relating to HP calculators. In the first column I've entered the number of pages. The short ones aren't too interesting. The following relate to specific machines although I'm not too sure about the 9805. US4437156 (334 pages) HP9825 Processor description (No firmware) US4180854 (575 pages) HP9845 Description (No firmware) US4158285 (149 pages) wristwatch calculator US4089059 (375 pages) HP9815 Processor description and firmware listing US4075679 (599 pages) HP9825 Processor description and firmware listing US4012725 (589 pages) HP9830 Processor description and firmware listing US3971925 (162 pages) HP9805 Processor description and firmware listing US3839630 (389 pages) Unknown Also US4172281 Microprogrammable Control Processor for a Minicomputor or the like (125 pages) gives a description and schematic for a 16 bit TTL machine. Uses 74S181s in the ALU and reference is made to the HP21XX in the opcode listing. Unfortunately the quality of the copy is poor and there is no microcode. Downloaded from http://gb.espacenet.com. Chris Pages Patent No Issued Title 011 US05530234 06/25/1996 Hand held calculator having a retractable cover 021 US04885714 12/05/1989 Calculator having a user-accessible object stack for the uniform application of mathematical functions and logical operations to a multiplicity of object types 030 US04821228 04/11/1989 Method and apparatus for computation stack recovery in a calculator 010 US04566072 01/21/1986 Programmable calculator including means for digitizing the position of an X-Y plotter pen 011 US04546448 10/08/1985 Programmable calculator including program variable initialization means and definition means array 031 US04480305 10/30/1984 Programmable calculator including editing capability 019 US04456964 06/26/1984 Calculator including means for displaying alphanumeric prompting messages to the operator 010 US04455618 06/19/1984 Programmable calculator 026 US04455607 06/19/1984 Programmable calculator having keys for performing angular measurement unit conversion 334 US04437156 03/13/1984 Programmable calculator 031 US04412300 10/25/1983 Programmable calculator including alphabetic output capability 026 US04384328 05/17/1983 Programmable calculator including magnetic reading and recording means 030 US04381554 04/26/1983 Calculator for storing source data and evaluating numerical answers to problems 007 US04330839 05/18/1982 Programmable calculator including means for automatically processing imformation stored on a magnetic record member 012 US04322816 03/30/1982 Programmable calculator having structure for controlling an x-y plotter 031 US04309761 01/05/1982 Calculator for evaluating numerical answers to problems 029 US04291385 09/22/1981 Calculator having merged key codes 018 US04281390 07/28/1981 Programmable calculator including means for performing computed and uncomputed relative branching during program execution 003 USD0256133 07/29/1980 Casing for an electronic calculator 031 US04203152 05/13/1980 Programmable calculator including key-log printing means 030 US04198684 04/15/1980 Electronic calculator with keyboard-controlled unary function capability 010 US04197586 04/08/1980 Electronic calculator assembly 019 US04187547 02/05/1980 Programmable calculator including means for controllably introducing blank lines on a printed record during program execution 007 US04181966 01/01/1980 Adaptable programmed calculator including a percent keyboard operator 019 US04181965 01/01/1980 Programmable calculator including program trace means ??? US04180854 12/25/1979 Programmable calculator having string variable editing capability 018 US04178633 12/11/1979 Programmable calculator including multifunction keys 012 US04177520 12/04/1979 Calculator apparatus having a single-step key for displaying and executing program steps and displaying the result 019 US04177518 12/04/1979 Programmable calculator including scrolling alphanumeric display means 018 US04164039 08/07/1979 Programmable calculator including a key for performing either a subtraction or a unary minus function 019 US04164019 08/07/1979 Programmable calculator including alphanumeric display means 019 US04162532 07/24/1979 Programmable calculator including data format display control means 019 US04161031 07/10/1979 Programmable calculator including boolean flag variable means 019 US04159525 06/26/1979 Programmable calculator employing computed memory addresses 149 US04158285 06/19/1979 Interactive wristwatch calculator 018 US04158233 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including means for performing implied multiply operations 019 US04158231 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including program listing means 019 US04158228 06/12/1979 Programmable calculator including alphanumeric error display means 006 US04156921 05/29/1979 Adaptable programmed calculator including automatic decimal point positioning 018 US04156918 05/29/1979 Programmable calculator including means for performing computed jumps during program execution 020 US04156917 05/29/1979 Programmable calculator including separate user program and data memory areas 018 US04156285 05/22/1979 Programmable calculator including keyboard functions whose argument may be a numeric constant, a storage register, or an arithmetic expression 018 US04156282 05/22/1979 Programmable calculator including relational operator means 020 US04152774 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including keyboard function means for raising the number ten to any designated power 018 US04152773 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for establishing a priority for executing algebraic operations 019 US04152771 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including display means for signalling the user to indicate the exhaustion of a printer paper supply 020 US04152770 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for programmably controlling magnetic storage units 019 US04152769 05/01/1979 Programmable calculator including means for permitting data entry during program execution 022 US04145752 03/20/1979 Programmable calculator including separate line numbering means for user-definable functions 025 US04145742 03/20/1979 Programmable calculator including user-definable keys 012 US04127897 11/28/1978 Programmable calculator having extended input/output capability 012 US04126898 11/21/1978 Programmable calculator including terminal control means 002 USD0249243 09/05/1978 Wristwatch calculator 002 USD0249090 08/22/1978 Casing for an electronic calculator 011 US04109315 08/22/1978 Wristwatch calculator with selectively scanned keyboard 028 US04099246 07/04/1978 Calculator having merged key codes 015 US04091270 05/23/1978 Electronic calculator with optical input means 375 US04089059 05/09/1978 Programmable calculator employing a read-write memory having a movable boundary between program and data storage sections thereof 014 US04078257 03/07/1978 Calculator apparatus with electronically alterable key symbols 599 US04075679 02/21/1978 Programmable calculator 021 US04063221 12/13/1977 Programmable calculator 005 US04059750 11/22/1977 General purpose calculator having selective data storage, data conversion and time-keeping capabilities 009 US04055757 10/25/1977 Calculator apparatus with annuity switch for performing begin-and end-period annuity calculations 002 USD0245810 09/13/1977 Casing for an electronic calculator 005 US04047012 09/06/1977 General purpose calculator having factorial capability 002 USD0245107 07/19/1977 Electronic calculator 007 US04037092 07/19/1977 Calculator having preprogrammed user-definable functions 009 US04035627 07/12/1977 Scientific calculator 002 USD0244862 06/28/1977 Casing for an electronic calculator 013 US04028538 06/07/1977 Programmable calculator employing algebraic language 589 US04012725 03/15/1977 Programmable calculator 055 US04009379 02/22/1977 Portable programmable calculator displaying absolute line number addresses and key codes and automatically altering display formats 092 US04001569 01/04/1977 General purpose calculator having selective data storage, data conversion and time-keeping capabilities 032 US03996562 12/07/1976 Programmable electronic calculator for evaluating mathematical problems 009 US03987290 10/19/1976 Calculator apparatus for displaying data in engineering notation 162 US03971925 07/27/1976 Adaptable programmed calculator having provision for plug-in keyboard and memory modules 004 US03955074 05/04/1976 General purpose calculator having keys with more than one function assigned thereto 005 US03946218 03/23/1976 General purpose calculator with capability for performing yield-to-maturity of a bond calculation 007 US03893173 07/01/1975 Miniaturized magnetic card reader/recorder for use in hand-held calculator 073 US03863060 01/28/1975 GENERAL PURPOSE CALCULATOR WITH CAPABILITY FOR PERFORMING INTERDISCIPLINARY BUSINESS CALCULATIONS 007 US03855461 12/17/1974 CALCULATOR WITH KEY CODE ASSOCIATION AND DISPLAY FEATURES 389 US03839630 10/01/1974 PROGRAMMABLE CALCULATOR EMPLOYING ALGEBRAIC LANGUAGE 058 US03825736 07/23/1974 CALCULATOR WITH PROVISION FOR EFFICIENTLY MANIPULATING FACTORS AND TERMS ??? US03781820 12/25/1973 PORTABLE ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03769621 10/30/1973 CALCULATOR WITH PROVISION FOR AUTOMATICALLY INTERPOSING MEMORY ACCESS CYCLES BETWEEN OTHERWISE REGULARLY ??? US03711690 01/16/1973 CALCULATOR AND TESTER FOR USE THEREWITH ??? US03678466 07/18/1972 ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03675213 07/04/1972 STORED DATA RECALL MEANS FOR AN ELECTRONIC CALCULATOR ??? US03668461 06/06/1972 OUTPUT DISPLAY FOR USE WITH A CALCULATOR ??? US03641328 02/08/1972 KEYBOARD ENTRY MEANS AND POWER CONTROL MEANS FOR CALCULATOR ??? US03623156 11/23/1971 CALCULATOR EMPLOYING MULTIPLE REGISTERS AND FEEDBACK PATHS FOR FLEXIBLE SUBROUTINE CONTROL ??? US03576983 05/04/1971 DIGITAL CALCULATOR SYSTEM FOR COMPUTING SQUARE ROOTS

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