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Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts [fwd]

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

The following message is of sufficient interest to SOL and Altair-era listers that I'm forwarding it without asking its original poster; while perhaps not perfect netiquette, I'm hoping the list has no rule banning it. -dq From: Charles Eicher <ceicher(a)inav.net> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Wanted: old Sun5 keyboard for Sol-20 restoration parts Date: 5 Mar 2002 13:31:26 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <a63dfe0101p(a)drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-479.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news.iglou.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1 .gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed! wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp .newsguy.com!drn Xref: news-incoming.iglou.com alt.folklore.computers:264561 I am searching for keyboard parts for restoration of a vintage microcomputer, my Sol-20. In some recent research, I've learned that the Sun5 keyboard contains the type of keyboard contact pads that are used in the Sol. I've found a place that will sell used Sun5 keyboards for $15 plus shipping, but I figure somebody in the alt.folklore.computers readership might have an old Sun5 keyboard sitting around they might part with cheaply, since this is for a good cause. I haven't torn apart my Sol kbd yet, but it is well known that this keyboard used foam contact pads that deteriorated with age, so most Sol CPUs function but cannot be used because there's no keyboard input. You can replace the foam pads and they keyboard will work, but the trick is finding the pads. There are many Keytronics keyboards that use these foam pads, but I've been unable to locate any on the local surplus market. I should be able to pick this up cheaper than $15+shipping, but it looks like I'll have to order a used Sun5 kbd and it will set me back $25. All this for $0.50 worth of foam pads that I could cannibalize >from a scrap $2 keyboard...IF I could find the right keyboard. The sole vendor of Sol kbd restoration parts has disappeared, I heard he's having financial difficulty. Bummer. So if anyone has a spare Sun5 keyboard, or other keyboard that might contain suitable foam-pad parts for cannibalization, please email me at ceicher(a)inav.net and I will be eternally grateful. My Sol will be happy too.

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RS232 Null Modem

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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DRV11-J uses?

by tarsi＠binhost.com

What exactly would I use a DRV11-J card for? I'm thinking of selling it since it seems to bring fairly decent prices on the 'net, but I want to make sure I wouldn't actually NEED the thing before I sell it. Thanks! Nathan -- ---------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://tarsi.binhost.com binHOST.com: http://www.binhost.com Forever Beyond: http://www.foreverbeyond.org ----------------------------------------------

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Hosting Recommendations

by jss＠subatomix.com

I need to find a good email/web hosting service. Yes, this is on-topic. Right now, subatomix.com (my mail server) is a machine in my house, connected via residential cable modem service. This has some cool factor for me, but there are disadvantages: (0) The system has to up and stable 24/7; I can't play with it in ways that might interrupt that. (1) The cable modem connection goes down every now and then, sometimes for several hours. (2) I'm not too knowledgeable at mail administration; there's a good probability that this machine is not as secure as it could be. On top of that stuff, a credible source inside the cable company says that I will be eventually switched over from RoadRunner to the cable company's own network. According to the source, areas where the switches are occurring (mostly those served by @Home, but RoadRunner is next) are experiencing repeated, prolonged outages. So I need list members' recommendations on a good email/web hosting service. If you work for such a service, feel free to suggest it if it is a good service. What I want is: (0) Email hosting for 5 addresses at subatomix.com. It needs to handle several hundred emails per day (peak) and the occasional large file mailed to me. (1) Web hosting for my as-yet-unfinished personal web site. The largest part of the site will be an exposition of my collection like that of many others here. I plan on having a lot of pictures, and the service needs the capacity to hold them. (See it *is* on-topic). (2) Encrypted communications, or at least my passwords not sent over the network in cleartext. (3) The servers running some UNIX and administered by competent people. (4) A flat fee. (5) If I use their DNS servers, the ability to point foo.subatomix.com to a certain IP address. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Mostek computers?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 22:03, Ernest wrote: > I didn't know that Mostek made an entire system? There is one at REPC that > someone dropped off. It has two 8" drives, and has a yellow and blue case. > It looks like an early vintage system but I don't know much about it. Is > anyone familiar with this computer? Not first hand, but I have a book called "Microcomputer Board Data Manual", edited by Dave Bursky, from "Electronic Design", pub. Hayden 1978. It lists one Mostek product, the OEM-80, about which the summary says: Word size: 8-bit data / 16-bit address CPU: MK3880 Clock freq min 0.005MHz / max 2.5MHz Total addressable memory 64K Amount of RAM on card 4K provided / 64K possible Amount of ROM on card 0K provided / 25K possible DMA capable: yes Bus type : proprietary Parallel I/O pins: 40 Serial I/O ports: 1 Max baud rate: 9600 Interrupt provisions: [none] Multiprocessing capablitly: yes Counter/timers: 4 (16 bits/timer) Software: assembler, debugging, HLL, OS Supply voltages: +5V, +/- 12V Board sixe: 12"x 8.5" Comments: Same as Z-80 CPU. ROM and RAM address mapping. OEM-80: No ROM supplied. Available as a complete ROM-based prototype package. European card: 233 x 250mm. The chapter (well, one page plus a 1-page diagram) in the body of the book says the SDB-80 is the version with the firmware, and there are some other cards as well, including floppy controller, more RAM, PROM programmer, CRT interface, card cage, etc. The OEM-80 cost $430 in 100+ quantities. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Decwriters

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? I have one spoken for, in Champaign, IL. That might be out of your way from (or to) Chicago, though. I'm not sure. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 18:14, Brian Chase wrote: > OpenSTEP proper was just the last generation > of NeXTSTEP. The latest release I saw being OpenSTEP 4.2. It ran on > Intel/PC, Sun Sparc, and I think PA-RISC. I believe NeXTSTEP 3.3 was > the last version to support NeXT black hardware. Then how come my NeXT slab came with CDs labelled "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, User Disk", "OpenStep 4.2 for NeXT, Developer", and and NeXT boot floppy? :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick > > tossed in your direction immediately... > > Well, it isn't the notorious R. Head, but the Nerf bricks > will likely fly anyway. > > The very first computer operator was Eve, with an Apple at one hand > and a Wang at the other. ...and some would say they still can't get the smell out of the Apples... ;)

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > Wangs. Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of dickheads? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Decwriters

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> From: William Donzelli [mailto:aw288@osfn.org] > Subject: Re: Decwriters > > > > I can arrange to pick up at the Denver stop... it's only 5 > hours' drive from > > here. > > Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? > > William Donzelli > aw288(a)osfn.org > I could use an R key for a LA-36 (Decwrite II)! Long story involving wife and an errant vacuum. (But honey.... It was soooooo dusty!) Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

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Need Shugart 851 manual

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I need a Shugart 851 8" floppy drive manual. Does anyone have one that hey'll loan me or make a copy of it for me? Or does anyone have a pointer to an on-line copy? I have a bunch of 851 drives and I need to see how to configure them to use in place of Shugart 800 drives. Joe

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > B) OpenSTEP was never the graphics subsystem of NeXTSTEP, as I had > thought. Well, if you take the graphical subsystem, make it run on top of X11, and ad a little more of NeXT to it, then you would get OpenStep. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > > Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with > OpenWindows (OpenLook), > Nope. I've used OpenWindows, hate it, would rather run twm > if that's > the only choice. I may be completely out of my head, and as of this Heh. I'm running out of "OpenStuff" :) > morning I can't even find the stack of old source archives. > If it's on > tape I'm gonna cry "Uncle". I don't suppose you might have seen the Mach version of OpenStep running on Intel hardware? This would look pretty similar to a "linux" if you were using a command-line shell. > enough to work > > with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window > > manager. :) > I've fooled with GNUSTEP myself, with the same results you got. > WindowMaker is a great WM, but I begin to doubt that GNUSTEP will ever > get any closer than that to a full-blown environment. Gnome > & KDE have > pulled all the focus and resources away. That's a shame, since the NeXT environment is much nicer. :) Of course, OpenStep on its own would still leave the problem of using X11 for delivery of all graphics, which from what I've seen is nowhere near as nice as the NeXT window system, but still it would have been a step in the right direction. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] > Much better > > than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, > Enlightenment, > > etc, have become. > Now I'm no big fan of any of the newer window managers either, but > OpenLook? GAH, ARGHHH *WRETCH* Sure, it's a personal preference and > all. My choice would be FVWM, and then probably TWM. Also, I'd > completely forgetten about Bowman and AfterSTEP. Bowman was nice and > lightweight, and I think derivative of FVWM. Heh. I don't remember whether Bowman was FVWM derived or not, but everything else was at the time, so why not? :) Actually, I wish Enlightenment was still based on FVWM -- it would be much easier on the CPU. Anyway, yes, it's a personal preference, but I certainly like it better than GNOME or KDE (since it will actually _run_ on a machine without flooring a 200Mhz chip. There are one or two other "desktop environments" for linux, but those never impressed me. ... so if you want an entire "environment" (that is, window management, supporting apps, maybe a file manager, and if you're lucky a decent set of widgets, all of which interoperate and share data nicely), what other choice is there? (I would seriously like to know. Private mail is fine, since most of this software is probably off topic :) Personally, I use WindowMaker for window management, and don't bother looking for "supporting apps," etc. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by schickel＠psln.com

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster. I always enjoy the talk about all the classic big iron on the list. (I got my first hands-on on an HP2000-F [later upgraded to Access]). I'm signed up on one of the joke mailing lists and they sent this link out today as our "extra" of the day. Unknown attribution..... http://www.farmjokes.com/email/extra/clearance.jpg Later, Frank -- Join my distributed.net team: Cow County Crackers, at http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=10621

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > near certain that what I have is an X11 window manager named OpenSTEP. > I've used GNUSTEP, AfterSTEP, and their nephew WindowMaker. All cool, > but not what I was referring to. Doc, I think maybe you're confusing OpenStep with OpenWindows (OpenLook), which was a SUN environment, and is, in fact, relatively well replicated on linux. In fact, I'd say that byte-for-byte it's the most complete, useable desktop environment available under Linux today. Much better than those poor, bloated pieces of garbage that GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, etc, have become. ...but it's not OpenStep. It's neither as elegant nor as complete as the NeXT environment, IMO. It's also not as pretty ;) Actually, WindowMaker is the "official" window management component of the GNUStep project. It's a (small, but visible) subset of GNUStep, in other words, and not separate. GNUStep consists of lots of UI libraries, supporting utilities (or it should have those by now, rather -- I haven't checked in a while), and misc. other stuff. All of that, when coupled with the window manager should eventually give one an environment which is source compatible with OpenStep on other platforms. It's unfortunate that the project isn't further along. (finished!) I tried to compile the whole of GNUStep (all that was available) for Linux several years ago, and there wasn't anywhere near enough to work with at that point. I ended up deleting everything but the window manager. :) I may try again soon. There's another NeXT like WM named Bowman, on which AfterStep is based. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

It was a joke, Chad. You know...a joke? -Dave On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > It wasn't staffed at all. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > On March 6, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > That actually makes sense, too. Just the other day in the USA Today, I > > > read that the old US Embassy in Afghanistan was equipped with old > > > Wangs. > > > > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of > > dickheads? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I didn't think I ever seen it all the way through. What does it have to > do with railways and highways? Highways were promoted as routes for buses to travel, smoke-emitting buses that replaced clean electric trolleys that ran on rail tracks... and this actually happened not just in L.A. but all over the country. -dq > Is it possible to fall in love with a cartoon :-) Many of us probably resemble that remark! -dq

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Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

This was actually supposed to go straight to Dan. Sorry :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Smith > Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I > don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;)

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Hosting Recommendations

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's (insight > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and > reliable then it > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with > insight's service, > at least so far -- it's been about a month... Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;) Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the network hookup separately? I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by pb＠Colorado.EDU

>On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: >[snip] >> This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware >> owners in '99. > >You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs >or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only >seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since >I contacted one). > >-- >Sune Stjerneby <sst(a)vmunix.dk> > - Part of an RFC 1876-compliant network. It was done by shipping CDs. Owners of NeXT hardware were to contact Apple (via telephone, fax, or e-mail, I think) with their machine serial number (supposedly also software serial number, but that turned out not to be required), and request the Y2K patches. Since those patches were only applicable to NS3.3 or OS4.2, you would also get NS3.3 or OS4.2, if you requested them. (I believe that if you had anything less than OS4.0, you would get NS3.3; if you had OS4.0 or OS4.1, you would get OS4.2. I also believe that you could get as many copies as you had machine serial numbers. I am not certain of either of these last two points.) Some of these software packages appear for auction or sale in various venues--or, that is what I assume they are, when they are advertised as brand new, and including the Y2K patches. (There was at least one bug introduced by the Y2K patches, but I don't think that a fix has been released. It had to do with an unfortunate interaction between gnutar and some (or one) of the Lighthouse Design programs.) PB Schechter

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sune Stjerneby [mailto:sst@vmunix.dk] > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:43:31PM -0500, Jeff Hellige wrote: > [snip] > > This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > > owners in '99. > You happen to have any idea how this was done? Public FTP, shipped CDs > or some other form? I'm looking for a NeXTstep release; vendors only > seem to ship OpenStep these days (if at all; it's been a while since > I contacted one). http://www.blackholeinc.com/ (I think) Black Hole sells new, licensed copies of NeXTSTEP in several releases. They're a little steep on those, but they have them. I have no connection with Black Hole, other than that I think I'll order a cable and mouse from them. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. Yes. Right. Nope. :) That is, GNUStep is far from OpenSTEP. It is still a work in progress, and while it has a very nice NeXT like window manager for X11, it's not a complete OpenSTEP environment by any means. It's also not a port, but a re-implementation from specs. What I am talking about would be a port -- of OpenSTEP (not NeXTSTEP), to VMS on Alpha. (There is a FAQ somewhere that explains OpenSTEP vs. NeXTSTEP [vs. NeXTStep...) In a nutshell, I believe that NeXTStep refers to a subset of NeXTSTEP licensed to IBM at one point. NeXTSTEP is the full original NeXT environment. OpenStep was modularized, and the operating system functions were separated from the user environment, which was then ported to other platforms (including Windows [ISTR] and Solaris, and, so I have heard recently, VMS) Of course, that is mostly from memory, so any of it could be way off. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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DECdatasystems

by jss＠subatomix.com

I have just acquired part of a DECdatasystem 570. I have the following questions about it: Why did DEC repackage their PDP-11s this way? When were the various DECdatasystem models released? How do they fit in with the rest of DEC's product line, and how were they marketed? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I got thinking about this on my way to work today. If this has indeed > been going on for the last 50 years as Allison said, this makes sense. > It was in the 50's that our highway system was laid down.... I think > I-94 went through hear in 1957. Also, since the mid 70's (??) much of > our manufacturing has gone overseas. I suggest you watch the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" again, this time, keeping in mind that's its not fiction, but allegory... -dq

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A rail shipment may also be held until enough cars are destined for a > certain area. Next to shipping by boat, shipping by train is probably the > slowest method to get something some where, as far as total transit time. A > truck can be anywhere in the US in a matter of 4 days. For perishible > items, trucks are far more viable. Also, trucks generally ride better than > rail cars, so delicate cargoes benefit from the air-ride suspension systems. I've been told UPS has started holding the ground trucks until they fill up, where they used to have a timer; timer fires, truck rolls, full or not. When fuel costs jumped a couple of years ago they changed this. May not be true... -dq

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30 TK50 Tapes For Sale

by jyount＠wallacehardware.com

Hello, I was referred to your email address when asking someone where I might be able to find a buyer for 30 TK50 tapes I possess that are no longer used. If you're not interested in buying these, do you know of anyone who would like them? Do you have a forum that I could post these on? I appreciate any assistance or info you could give me.

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New Finds for museum this week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got these two items for free; a HP 150 II (no keyboard) and a Atari SM124 monitor. For $10 I got Power Mac 5400/120 (has a bad hard drive). My Microvision system arrived with 3 game cartridges and works great (for what it does). Got a great book titled Modern Computer Concepts-The IBM 360 Series by Edward J. Laurie. It's stamped inside as being a "EXAMINATION COPY" and was printed in 1970. It has 926 pages and lots of great pictures. Only cost 50 cents at a thrift here. Won a Brainiac (1959) kit computer on eBay it looks almost complete and will make a great display item. Now if I could only find a Geniac for cheap. :-) I asked before and never got one answer but does anyone have a extra Hero Jr remote control that they would like to sell?

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by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words: >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of >> > dickheads? >> >> <playing straight man for Dave> >> >> You know who was the world's first computer operator? > >If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick >tossed in your direction immediately... No... No... You mean "Richard _Cranium_" Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hm, Original Wang PCs and a few old terminals mixed in. Looks like slim pickings to me. Paxton

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SOL-20 keyboard (fwd)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> As you will note, Barry authorized this posting. As of this date, I've tried three or four times to contact barry, with no response yet. If any SOL jocks *have* been able to contact him, could you have him contact me? TIA! -dq > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:24:45 -0500 > From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)neo.rr.com> > To: 'Don Maslin' <donm(a)cts.com> > Subject: RE: SOL-20 keyboard > > I won't but you may if you want to. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:05 AM > To: Barry A. Watzman > Subject: Re: SOL-20 keyboard > > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Barry A. Watzman wrote: > > > By the way, in 1977 I made and sold a SOL-20 keyboard > modification kit > > that included a new ROM for the keyboard and new keytops. > The new ROM > > made the high order bit of the numeric keypad keys a "1" > instead of a > > "0". This made it possible to distinguish between the keys in the > > numeric keypad and the numeric keys in the top row of the normal > > keyboard (in the stock keyboard, these different keys > produced exactly > > the same output). This was transparent to normal > applications because > > they normally did an "ANI 7FH" anyway, stripping this bit, but it > > could be used by an application if the application wanted to do so. > > > The new keytops had word processing legends instead of numbers, and > > really was made for the "Electric Pencil" and "Wordstar" word > > processors. The keytops were actually made by Keytronic (I > had to pay > > tooling charges, about $1,000 (those were 1977 dollars, it was about > > one-fourth the price of a new car)) and and matched the SOL keyboard > > exactly. > > > > I have a few of these kits left in a box in the basement. If anyone > > wants them, they are $25. What I'm not sure of is if I have the > > installation instructions anywhere. > > > > [If anyone takes me up on this, I'm actually going to have > to FIND that > > box, which may be easier said than done.] > > > > > >

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OT: Scrapping steel (was RE: Suggestions for hauling ...)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

In the last 50+ years, some 150,000 miles of railroad track have been abandoned. At 100 pounds/yard or more for mainline track rail, that's a lot of steel. As to who is paying for the scrapping, the railroad, or often a bankruptcy court, would bid it out to scrappers -- the same people (as a general class) who will take an old computer and cut the edge connector off a board in order to recover the gold. Might not seem like an economical thing to do, but these people can make a living out of it. Also, remember that in the 50's and 60's (and even earlier for most electric interurban lines) steel was worth more. When the railroads converted to diesel in the late 40's/early 50's, most of the steam locomotives were sold for scrap. Nothing sinister about it, just made economic sense at the time. The subsidies that went into highway construction and trucking are another matter, though, but that is too OT to go into. Still, we can't blame the interstate system for all railroad failures, as many began their decline in the 30's and 40's. Most electric streetcar lines and interurbans here in the midwest were replaced by busses by the mid 50's. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:35 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is > > it a national trend? > > We've had quite a lot ripped out here in Oregon. This does beg the question... Who exactly is paying for this, and to what gain? I think someone's point of it not really being cost- effective (even for the scrap) is worth investigating. Maybe it is. I can't imagine it's more expensive to produce a ton of steel from salvaged rails than it is to do the same from iron ore. Still, it'd be interesting to know who's fronting the labor to do it, and what money is backing it. -brian.

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DECdatasystems

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

VT55 with integrated printer Not thermal or electrostatic >From 1977 until about 1980 we actually used the terminals to print graphics >from bacterial growth curves. The paper exited the side of the terminal. We usually attached a weighted paper clamp to help pull the paper out of the printer. The printer was placed so the paper hung down off the side of the desk or table. The paper was initially wet and came in foil enclosed rolls. The printer generated a spark to discolor the paper at the correct spot, kind of a brownish printing. The paper didn't work if it was dry. Also there was a problem with fungus growth on opened rolls of paper that weren't used for a long time. Maybe caused by the microbiology lab environment. Speed of the paper motion was important, nothing like looking at plots with varied plot speed, scrunched graphs. Picture of the internals of the printer is at http://vt100.net/docs/vt5c-op/ Picture of the printer with the paper hanging out the side is http://vt100.net/docs/vt55e-tm/ Mike McFadden mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu At 02:23 PM 3/5/02 -0800, you wrote: > >--- John Chris Wren <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote: >> This sounds like a machine I used to work on. PDP-8/a, two floppy >> drives, a VT-50 terminal that looked like it could have been provisioned >> for an internal thermal printer, and ours had a LA-36. > >Yep... they sold a bunch of them. The printer inside the VT-50 case >wasn't thermal, BTW. The "1976-1977 pdp-8/a minicomputer handbook" calls >it an "electrolytic copier" under the entry for the VT-61. My memory of >working with them was that they used funky paper and there was a wet >wiper brush that moistened the paper as it exited the printer. Perhaps >it squeegeed it. I don't recall any more. >

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORt

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Sadly, though, glow plugs do little to keep the oil thin enough to keep > from really hard cold starts. Especially back in the old days when > multi-weight oils really weren't. It always cranked, that wasn't a problem. > It was tearing up the cylinder walls until the molasses, er, oil could be > circulated. I'd suggest trying Mobile One synthetic oil... if it can find leaks that no other oil can find on your engine, it should be alble to flow into all the places oil needs to go... -dq

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 6, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most > >> people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3. > >> This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > >> owners in '99. > > > > It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black > >hardware is slower than pissing tar. > > I've never tried Openstep on the black hardware. Is it that > much slower than NS 3.3? Unbelievably so, yes. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Jeff Hellige wrote: > Openstep 4.2 still supports the black hardware though most > people I've known running NeXT hardware have been running NS 3.3. > This could partly be due to Apple giving it away to NeXT hardware > owners in '99. It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black hardware is slower than pissing tar. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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PDP 7 ?Rescue?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have a lead on a PDP 7 coming out of service in the Portland Oregon area. I hope to go look at it on March 19th or 20th. I believe it is still plugged in but out of service. I think it is a late '60s machine. Anyone interested in it please contact me at whoagiii(a)aol.com, not on the list please. I am not interested in getting it. I think that there are very few out there and any left need rescue. I will take pictures when I get a chance to look at it. I would like info on what to look for when I look at the machine. Paxton Hoag

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Doc wrote: > > It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that 4.x on black > > hardware is slower than pissing tar. > > My cat is glaring at me. From _way_ under the desk. > > "Damn you, Dave McGuire!" SCORE! hehehe -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Loaded uVAX II (Austin, TX)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a loaded uVAX II in a BA123, available here in Austin, TX. CPU: KA630-AA two DHV11M multiport serial cards one DHQ11M (8line QBus Async serial card) one DEQNAM QBus etheret adapter one TK50 tape drive has two "H3100" ports for serial breakout boxes on the back; not sure if these are connected to the DHV11Ms or the DHQ11M. Unknown RAM/storage; I havent had time to take the machine out of the back of my truck. The front panel covering the storage control buttons is missing; I have the "back flap" cover, but the plastic "hinge" will need to be replaced. Would like to trade for smaller VAX (VAXstation VLC, etc) or later-model (73,83,93, etc) PDP-11 system. WILL NOT SHIP. You gotta come pick it up at my house. 8-) Also have a BC23K 15-pin-to-1BNC mono monitor cable, free... Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Symbolics rescue (question about picture)

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Symbolics rescue (question about picture) > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:06:04 -0600 > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > For nostalgic reasons, I have wanted to acquire two particular disk drives > for a PDP-11 of mine... I don't remember what they are called or what brand. > But - there are two of them in the very far right of the symbolics rescue > picture at the top of the rack with light brown trim line across the front. > Can anyone tell me what those are - and if there are any around to be > obtained? How hard are they to work on? Is the positioner based on patterns > on the drive or a glass reticule? They look like DEC RK03's to me. Predecessor to the RK05, and actually re-badged drives from some other manufacturer, the name of which escapes me at the moment. RK05's used a glass reticule for positioning. I think that on-disk format tracks came with the first "Winchester" sealed drives. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is > it a national trend? > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA We've had quite a lot ripped out here in Oregon. Zane

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 5, Doc wrote: > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. NeXTSTEP by any other name... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Printer Drum

by DayTraderStock＠aol.com

Im looking for a LB-DR320 printer drum. Can you help Ron Lessa daytraderstock(a)aol.com 508-992-1151 in MA

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Symbolics rescue, URGENT!

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. Location: Germany, Kaiserslautern Items: Two Symbolics 3600 Lisp machines, see http://kogs-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~moeller/symbolics-info/3600.html Yes, they are heavy, big (1,8m / 6') 19" rack boxen. State: _NOT_ working, it may be possible to build one working machine by ripping the other. Free for everyone who takes them. BUT: You must take both (+ console Monitor) and you must take them Sunday afternoon (14:00 - 15:00) or Monday (9:00 - 17:00). If they are not gone on Tuesday, they will be taken apart and scraped. Further details unknowen. No. I can not store them. I already managed the salvation of three 3640 and one 3670 from the same location... PLEASE mail me only if you are able to transport them. -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Possibly OT: Canon Objectstation SCSI problem

by jrice＠texoma.net

Does anyone on the list have experience with the Canon Objectstation Model 41. I think it's just short of being on topic. I'm trying to install NS3.3 on my Objectstation. It has a Buslogic BT-445C SCSI controller, VLB, and I can boot the box, start installing, Next finds the controller, the CD-ROM and the hard drive. The install routine asks me to choose a disk for installation and then fdisk tewlls me "Bogous BIOS information, please reset the bios setting in your mother board or SCSI controller card". I have noticed that I don't get the usual "Press Alt-B for setup" message that I've gotten from Buslogic cards in the past or that the pdf manual from Mylex's site talks about. Did Canon install some funky custom Rom on the card? I'm going to take a spare 486 VLB motherboard home tonight and try setting up the drive using a DOS driver disk that came with the Objectstation. James Rice Dallas, TX http://home.texoma.net/~jrice/classiccomp2.html

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody, I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist license...) Does anyone have any idea where to get it? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro > regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years > and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. If they've been abandoned for to long it takes a lot of work to get them back into condition to run trains over them. While we've had a lot of track ripped out around here, they've also reopened a fair amount of it. Zane

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MOP booting RT-11

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >As others more qualified than I have said, there isn't a way to boot >RT-11 over an ethernet card; True. However you can mop boot using DDCMP over serial or sync lines but that is not supported by RT11 internally but it can load the rt11 image that way. > I am, however, confident you can boot RT-11 >over a TU-58 and a serial port. I have never done it (I've always used >floppies or a hard disk), but with the right bootstrap on the -11, it I have, and do. it expects a standard DL device on one of several likely addresses and uses RSP/MRSP (TU58 serial protocal). >shouldn't be a big deal. You could then bring up your machine from an >emulated TU-58 (a DOS or Linux box, probably, or even VMS, with a little There are programs for Linus or unix boxen and it's doable with VMS. >development work to port an emulator) and tape images. It's a bit slow - >38400 bps is a standard transfer speed, but not as bad as the original >because you won't have enormous seek latency. At 38.4 with a real tape the seeks are killer slow. With a tu58 simulator it's remarkably fast and useable. Hint: boot rt11, install VM: and INIT VM: then copy/boot DD to VM, then copy the core of RT11 to VM and boot that. Then the slow tape is less an issue as swaps and commonly used files are local to the ramdisk (VM:). Minimum ram for that is 256k (VM:192k), as usual more is better. With a 1 or 2Mb of ram VM: is quite large and the effect is a system that beats an RL02/RLV21 for performance. Most of this is forgotten by all but the most hardcore PDP-11 users and likely unheard of to the kids. >Also, it's possible to force-feed a bootstrap or any other memory >tidbits down the console line and ODT. We used that technique to >test COMBOARDs when I was at Software Results - the rig was software or to load the TU58 loader. ;) Allison

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Write only programming

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > If you write machine code rather than assembly language (I've > done this a > few time...) then again there's no way to include comments... Sure there is -- just don't run them ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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IBM 3192 Terminals

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Today I just got a pair of IBM 3192 (saved from the dumpster), and was wondering what options I have for using them. I know they're 'supposed to' be hooked up to a 3270-mode terminal controller, (like the AT&T 6544 I have, perhaps??), but I'm having a hard time finding much information out about them using Google. Does anyone know of a good reference site for info on these 'beasts'? I also need to get software still for my at&t 6544 if that'll work with these - still not clear if that's a *useful* option. Thanks for the help -- Pat

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