- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > Umm, that post looked like a duck & quacked like a duck.... I don't > _care_ if they said it wasn't a duck. Yes, and this kind of duck really sucks. When are we going to do something about this? Hello? Jay? Glen 0/0

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Documentation on the HP IPC

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

I have an IPC with HP UX 5.0 and HP Basic in ROM. The system has a built in HP-IB connector as well as an HP-IB expansion card. The system boots fine but I haven't had much success in getting the built-in floppy drive to read the floppies I have prepared (using a wide variety of systems and techniques). I am trying to use an external HP-IB dual floppy drive (an HP 9122D) but the IPC refuses to admit that the 9122 is connected. So, if anybody has tranferred images to a floppy, please let me know of your technique. I have PCs running many OSs (from MSDOS 5.0 to Windows 2000 and OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Linux). I also have Sparcs with Solaris 7 and OpenBSD. On the subject of documentation. If anybody has manuals for this machine please send me a note. If you don't want to part with them I can pay for photocopies. It is very frustrating to have the IPC just standing there when I *know* I can get it to work. Thanks **vp PS I suspect that the built-in floppy is double sided-double density, but anybody knows block size, interleave etc. of these diskettes?

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Protect your vacation home against winter freeze for less than 30 cents a day!

by doaks＠thecottagemonitor.com

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely. Joe

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Blank Paper Tape Question (P.S.)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Andy Holt wrote: > >A _really_ fast paper tape reader was capable of 2000 cps ... but needed >special spooling arangements to feed the tape fast enough. And one built during WW2 would run rings around it (5000 char/second): http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/rebuild.htm >Very imptessive to watch when it was working properly ... and even more >impressive when it failed :-( The Colossus one was (at least once) run to the point that the tape failed - talk about paper cuts!! Antonio

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QBus Grant cards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 9, Doc Shipley wrote: > I dunno why y'all are so excited about them; I see them on eBay pretty > frequently. As in: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008371320 > > Does this mean we should do a cooperative snatch? (DON'T go near > there, Dave) 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by mhstein＠canada.com

Have you checked MicroMint and the CCI archives? They're usually pretty good. If you really have no luck, let me know and I'll do some digging; might have some info. mike ------------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:31:38 -0500 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one for $1 and now I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've fixed the PS and got the card talking to a terminal again after replacing about 6 ICs but I'm not sure of some of the features on it so I can't test it completely. Joe

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Nice Manuals found up in the above garage storage area

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I have not been up in the storage area for over 10 years and I found several items of interest up there; 1. AJ832 keyboard printer terminal operator's manual 2. IBM - Introduction to IBM Data Processing Systems C20-1684-2 a pretty cool book. 3.IBM - Introduction to Virtual Storage in the System/370 GR20-4260-1 4. IBM - An Introduction to Linear Programming GE20-8171-0 5. Data Storage System 370 service 6. HP 9825 Desktop Computer Quick Reference 7. HP 9825A Desktop Computer Operating and Programming 7. A notebook with the 9825 Customer Course in it: covers - introduction; mainframe; array variables; tape;strings; advanced programming; general I/O; HP-IB;9872 Plotter;9885 Floppy Disk; Matrix Rom. Also found some old IBM clear/blue reel tape covers and a few punch cards. Not 10 years old yet but yesterday at the thrift I picked up a Compaq Armada 7770DMT ( 233MHZ) laptop for $14.99. It was missing the powercord and CD-ROM drive. I was able to find a cord today but cost $20 at the second store I stopped at. I got it and so far the machines seems to work fine. I'm waiting to see if it will hold a charge.

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QBus Grant cards

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I dunno why y'all are so excited about them; I see them on eBay pretty frequently. As in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008371320 Does this mean we should do a cooperative snatch? (DON'T go near there, Dave) Doc

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Blank Paper Tape Question

by mhstein＠canada.com

FWIW, all the PPT I have & have used is/was blank, and the perforators punched the feed hole along with the data. However, I also have some edge-punched cards, which use the same perfs & readers as PPT, and these ARE pre-punched, presumably to avoid long-term drift across cards. However, IIRC, the perforator does not punch the feed hole when it senses a card instead of tape. So, technically no problem either way, although re-punching an existing hole is not usually a good idea. For the curious, EPCs (not to be confused with the tiny 96 col cards which also have binary round holes) are similar to 80 col TAB cards but are continuous, connected with perforations at the ends and stacked accordion-style. They go through the PPT perforator just like PPT, getting punched along the edge, and are subsequently separated and used like other punched cards. Sounds like you're embarking on an ambitious project; I think you'd need some massive solenoids. The way it's usually done is to drive the punch pins with a motor-driven cam and the solenoid interposers only select which pins are driven. I've still got some punches & parts if you're interested; threw some of it out since no one seemed interested (except Steve, who understandably couldn't wait :), and it seemed like more hassle than it was worth, but I think there's still some stuff in the pile that'll be a lot easier to work with than building a perforator from scratch, either complete units or punch blocks/dies. Mind you, if you enjoy that sort of challenge I wish you well! And how about a reader (or two)? mike ------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com> Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched, or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused. Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape?

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DEC distribution tapes - VAX vs RISC

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I was looking through my DEC tapes to see what VAX, if any, were there. I found most tapes clearly marked RISC, and none marked VAX. I did find a couple tapes, early versions of Ultrix. They were not marked as for VAX or otherwise, but were dated around 1987 or 1988. So the question is when did the RISC series of processors come into use, and are these 'unmarked' tapes likely for VAX? TIA Mike Thompson

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OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

As an example, I use to work on some navigational transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts. There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down within seconds. This is rot! On a transmitter with even a few watts output the RF probe coupling would be -10dB or more, so even an open or short on this would give a return of -20dB. This is so small it can be ignored, in fact many antenna systems aren't that good. As a termination a scope is a very poor match for any low Z RF source it's impedance being 1Mohm or more so it wouldn't matter if you plugged it in or not. Also most test gear can't absorb any ammount of watts for any length of time, so if the port was a high power snif it would have to be terminated at the port with a high power attenuator which gives a good match regardless of it's terminating Z. The open circuit at the other end of the coax got reflected back to the transmitter as a low impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits would detect the detuning and pull the plug. This depends entirely on the wavelength length of the coax. Did you use an exact odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength coax every time? can you remember the make/model of these transmitters? Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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DECstation Ultrix

by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

Hello all! I'd like to get in contact with anyone that has access to a DECstation 3100 with Ultrix. My problem is that I have a Cranfield DECstation which was built to run in a NFS environment. I've rebuilt the network scripts &c to get it to boot 'multiuser', but as it's missing the whole of /usr and refuses to present me with a login prompt (good thing really - lack of usr means I cannot change passwords anyway). I would really appreciate it if you have a working copy you could tarball /usr for me or point me towards somewhere with a publicly accessible archive...? TIA Alex

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Blank Paper Tape Question

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:13 -0600 (CST) > From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inebraska.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Blank Paper Tape Question > > Does regular paper tape normally come with the sprocket holes pre-punched, > or does the device that punches the data holes also punch the sprocket > holes? I recently bought some "paper tape" from eBay, and it looks like > the right stuff except it's totally without holes. I don't think I've > ever seen "virgin" tape before, but I had the idea that the sprocket holes > down the middle came with the tape. I'm kicking around trying to build my > own tape punch, since I have been unsuccessful at scrounging or buying one > so far. I picked up some stainless steel flat and some rod of the > appropriate diameter for the holes today, along with some solenoids for > actuating said rods. I'm thinking of machining the stainless to make my > own punch, but the lack of sprocket holes on the new tape has me confused. > Do I need to add another solenoid and pin to punch a smaller hole for the > sprocket, or did I just buy some odd-ball tape? That's the way it is. The sprocket hole gets punched along with all the data holes. Even the TTY33-ASR did it that way. Otherwise you would have a tough alignment problem between the data and the "timing track". carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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IBM 3840

by pat＠purdueriots.com

An IBM 3840 Tape System just came in recently at Purdue University Salvage and Surplus. The guy that works there (Don) said he would try and figure out a price for it. The system includes: 1) 1x3840 A22 controller 2) 2x3840 B22 dual-tape drive 3) 1x3840 B22 dual-tape drive with autochanger. The item was in 'unknown status', but appeared to be complete. I've asked him to hold off on scrapping the system until at least next Tuesday. If you're interested, contact me off list, and I'll try to see what he'll want for it(you can make an offer for him). Currently, I don't have any way to move it or store it (more than a couple days in my apartment that is) so the pickup would either have to be by Tuesday by you or I'd have to rent a truck to move it to my place for temporary storage (which I'd ask $20+truck charges for). If no-one's interested by next Tuesday, I'll tell him to go ahead and scrap it, so make up your minds soon... I'll post a price for it as soon as I find one out. -- Pat

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Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sou...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/8/02 1:20:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com writes: > > > What's an iPSC? Isn't that the first intel Parallel Super? Computer. I think I still have some cards for that, with multiple 82586 ethernet coprocessors on a Multibus II card. I have always wanted one of those. The closest I ever got was an empty tower and bunches of cards, and that was 10 years ago. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Grant cards (was Re: MicroVAX-II questions)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > M9047 Grant card > > > > What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight. > > No kidding. I think I've seen three Qbus grant cards in my life. What I find amusing is the stack of them I got out of a PDP-11 that was controlling a Cameca Microprobe. They'd already disassmebled everything by the time I got the stuff, but they must have had a blank card in every slot! The interesting thing is they'd made they're own grant cards out of Q-Bus prototyping cards! Zane

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OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> wrote: > Hi people. I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u (nowhere near on-topic > but I figure people here might know better what causes this kind of > problem). If I provide it with a sync-on-green signal to its BNC > connectors (It has five, I connect three), the monitor syncs up just fine, > but all the areas that are black show up with a green cast. The white > areas show up just fine. I haven't looked at an image with color yet, but > I would guess that all the colors would probably be shifted towards the > green. Any ideas? I use to see this often during my tour as a television studio engineer. It all came down to one word: TERMINATION. I had forgot to terminate the video cables going into a monitor, or disconnected the monitor at the end of a chain. We all know to terminate the SCSI bus, and the other day there was a discussion of terminating the floppy cable as part of Dave Jenner's thread on multiple floppies. We also need to remember that any time you run a signal down any wire from point A to point B, it needs to be terminated in its characteristic impedance. If it isn't, some bad things can happen. As an example, I use to work on some navigational transmitters with power output of a few hundred watts. There was a test jack for sampling the RF output and you hooked a scope to the jack. The gotcha was when you hooked the coax cable to the transmitter first instead of the scope. If you did that, the transmitter went down within seconds. The open circuit at the other end of the coax got reflected back to the transmitter as a low impedance and detuned it, and the monitoring circuits would detect the detuning and pull the plug. On the back of my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 20 there is a switch next to each BNC, used to terminate each input. If the monitor does not provide terminate switches, you can always try BNC T connectors and 75 ohm terminators. In a later message, Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org> also wrote: > Never mind. The Clamp pulse setting was in the wrong position. I am curious to know if your monitor has termination switches. If so, how about setting the clamp pulse back to what it was and then terminating the inputs. If not, do you have the T's and terminators to try it that way. I would be interested to know the results. Mike

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MicroVAX-II questions

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002; Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> scribbled: > Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII... All right now! > It's indecently clean inside... Don't you just hate it when that happens. You miss out on the fun of blowing the dust out and having go everywhere. > M9047 Grant card What ever you do, don't let this card out of your sight. I once rescued a good quantity of uVAX II boards. Most of them went to list members, but what to do with the big stack of M9047's. One nearby DEC reseller gave me the number of another reseller out in California who was desperate for them. For a mess of M9047's, I got a some DEC badged drives of the RZ2x variety. Who'd thunk it? > Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could > equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just > share. When I finally got tired of all the uVAX II stuff around here, I sent it to several list members for postage. It was the odds & ends stuff and included some of the breakout boxes. So there are list members with several of these in their stash. Just gotta get 'em to 'fess up. Mike

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Hosting Recommendations

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I don't know about the other carriers, but I'm here to tell you that RoadRunner (at least, it's incarnation here in Kansas) really, truly, sucks ass: 1. They charge for basic cable in addition to my network connection, even though I don't use the cable TV part. 2. ftp & http access to machines I have attached to the network is *blocked* ( can get in via TELNET; whoop, whoop). 3. Their NNTP (net news) service sucks 4. They're going to raise my rates *again*. 5. The speed is no where nearly as fast as it used to be. I'd go DSL but SBC doesn't have DSL in my neighborhood. Damn. Jeff On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:36:41 -0600 Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> writes: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > > > I was just switched from @Home to my local cable company's > (insight > > communications) network, and it's actual been more stable and > > reliable then it > > was before. @Home kind of sucked, but I've been happy with > > insight's service, > > at least so far -- it's been about a month... > > Ok, so how much does Insight cost? Will they panic if I tell them I > don't have windows, and no, it's not a Macintosh either? ;) > > Do they require you to buy cable service too, or can you get the > network hookup separately? > > I have been considering switching to cable off and on, myself. > > Chris > > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer > Amdocs - Champaign, IL > > /usr/bin/perl -e ' > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); > ' > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:10:00 -0600 (CST) > From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS > In-Reply-To: <200203052244.g25Mii717665(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. You mean, of course, a port of NeXTstep to Intel x86 hardware. Starting with NeXTstep 3.1 (circa 1991) and following with NeXTstep 3.2, 3.3. And OpenStep 4.1 and 4.2. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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Seen on RISKS-L

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The item referred to above is as follows: > > "In 1999, USC neurobiologist Joseph Miller asked NASA to check some old data > the Viking probes had sent back from Mars in the mid-1970s. Miller wanted to > find out whether certain information on gas released by Martian soil, which > at the time had been dismissed as meaningless "chemical activity," was > actually evidence of microbial life. NASA found the tapes he requested, but > they didn't find any way to read them. It turns out that the data, despite > being only about 25 years old, was in a format NASA had long since forgotten > about. Or, as Miller puts it, "The programmers who knew it had died." What this really meant was that some manager at NASA who was in the position of responsibility for these tapes didn't have the staff or budget to deal with them. A purely political issue, and not a technical one at all. I used be one of NASA's biggest supporters, and my dream was to work there some day. Year by year, my opinion of them has decayed until we get to how they dealt with the Delta Clipper. I've read the reports, and I'm convinced they deliberately crashed it because it was in comptetition for funds for their pet project, the venturestar (X-33). Which is now dead because they can't figure out how to make hydrogen tanks for the linear aerospike engine (very cool technology from Project Sun in the 1950s) that won't leak... -dq p.s. Revive the Delta Clipper!

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Seen on RISKS-L

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

CMOS = Complex _Megalithic_ Object Structures The builders of Stonehenge used CMOS, while the builders of Woodhenge (near Stonehenge), and some possibly similar (in function) structures at Cahokia, in East St. Louis, Illinois, used TTL. ;-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:14 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L <snip> BTW The Stonehenge circle is believed by some to be early calculator ( priest powered ) for calculating the major events of the seasons , stars , sun and moon cycles. Stonehenge era designers used a lot of TTL ( timber^2 logic) rather than CMOS ( Complex Mon-Olithic Structures) in the design. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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MicroVAX-II questions

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Thanks, Bill! Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII and set about playing with it. It's indecently clean inside, cables all in good shape, fans all free and clean, cards well seated. I even managed to get them all back in properly, in order, and the cables connected right. So let me see if I got this right, as this is the first working QBus system I've gotten: Boards, in order: M7606-AF MV-II CPU (KA630-A) w/1M RAM & serial console line M7608-BP 4M RAM card for KA630 M7609-AH 8M parity RAM " " M7504 DEQNA ethernet M7546 TQK50 tape controller M9047 Grant card M8053 DMV11 Serial controller M3104 DHV11 8-port async serial DMA mux 2x M3107 DHQ11 " " " " " Storage: 2x RD53-A 70M Micropolis 1325 RD54 190M Maxtor XT-2190 TK50 95M CompacTape drive This means I would, if I had the distribution hardware for the DHQ11s, have 25 serial interfaces? (plus console) What exactly is the DMV11? "Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a DMV11 on the other end as well. Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS older than 6.2. Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just share. Oh yeah. It boots. VMS 5.2, but it's looking for the rest of a cluster, and apparently a lot of its filespace was remote. Bummer. Other than that, and the fact that I can't get it upstairs, it's a cool "little" box. You know you're over the edge when the lack of ethernet access in your garage is a problem. Doc

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Thinning the heard

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Thanks everyone. The two Pros are claimed. In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot. I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I with to run more of the peices and that takes space. Allison

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Top collectable machines

by rbl＠hal.EPBI.cwru.edu

So, is anyone interested in a couple of Stardent TITANs? LOTS of spare boards. Several monitors. Rob Lake lake(a)cwru.edu

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OpenSTEP for VMS

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Subject: Re: OpenSTEP for VMS > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:44:44 -0800 (PST) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Christopher Smith" at Mar 05, 2002 04:33:20 PM > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > > I have heard that OpenSTEP ran on VMS (Alpha) at one point. > > > > Having never heard of, nor seen this, I am curious, and would > > like to acquire a copy of this miraculous thing to run at home > > (on a hopefully soon-to-be-had DEC 3000, using the VMS hobbyist > > license...) > > > > Does anyone have any idea where to get it? > > > > Chris > > First I've heard of it. It primarily ran on NeXT hardware (of course), x86 > systems, and had limited support for HP and Sparc. I've *never* heard VMS > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. There was a time when some Alpha AXP enthusiasts who, I believe, worked for a European subsidiary of DEC, started to port NeXTstep to the Alpha hardware. To us NeXT fans, this seemed too good to be true, and mostly that's how it ended up. Unsupported, unloved, and unfinished. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

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MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> > >That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that >they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems >with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. Actually the DEQNA was a burr in the VMS bottom since V4.2 or before. It wasn't a problem of getting 5.xx to work with it but rather a matter of finally saying time to retire the turkey. Likely 5.5 will work with it. >Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Nope, dont have a copy. Did try 7.2 and it seems to work. Allison

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AIM-65 Questions

by mhstein＠canada.com

No problem; if someone else hasn't already fixed you (Rich & Ethan) up, I can dig out the ROM images or (if I can't find the disks) recreate them. Write me off-list and, if still required, what format (Intel/Mot/bin?). Just to make sure yours are correctly installed, the last 2 digits of the ROM specify the location, so the BASIC ROMs are R3225 & R3226 and should be inserted in sockets Z25 & Z26 respectively (Cxxx & Bxxx address blocks). And the monitor is in Z22&Z23 (R3222 & R3223), but sounds like it's OK. As Tony mentions elsewhere the 2332's could be mask-programmed various ways, and later model AIM65s had jumpers to select 2732/2532, but the AIM65 ROMs are 2532 pinout; 2732's would need a couple of pins exchanged unless you have one of the later AIMs (I assume yours is the 1K/4K version).. At least two different types of keyboards were used, but nothing special about either. I have a few brand new ones left if you need one (Don't worry, Jeff, one still has your name on it :). Might also still have some manual sets as soon as I figure out who's getting what, and several spare AIMs for parts. mike ---------------------Original Message---------------------- >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:41:02 From: "Rich Beaudry" <r_beaudry(a)hotmail.com> Subject: AIM-65 Questions Hello all, I recently completed a trade for an AIM-65 that is about 80-90% working, but needs a little TLC. Hopefully someone here can help.... It appears to have the BASIC ROMs installed, and in the right sockets, but pressing "5" on the keyboard only results in the "<5>" display, and then the AIM hangs up. Only a press of the Reset button will free it up. I suspect the ROMs may be flaky, since one had quite a bit of (for lack of a better word) gunk on the tops of the pins. I cleanied it all off, but there may be some internal damage. These ROMs are part number 2332. I suspect these are 2732-compatible, at least in read mode, and not program mode... Does anyone have a ROM dump in Hex format? If so, could you email it to me so I can burn new ones? Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has ANY of the AIM-65 ROMs dumped in Hex format, I'd appreciate copies. Then I could burn a whole new set... Also, the keyboard needs cleaning pretty badly. Unfortunately, I do not remember the manufacturer name or model #, but it is the standard AIM-65 keyboard. Has anyone ever fully taken one apart to clean it? If so, any gotchas? Thanks! Rich B.

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MicroMint BCC52 BASIC controller

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] > Does anyone have a manual for one of these? I bought one > for $1 and now > I know why. The 5V PS was putting out about 20 volts! I've Wow, they "upgraded" the power supply... that's a good deal ;) Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sought

by aek＠apple.com

> Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI > Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share? TI Explorer docs can be found at http://www.unlambda.com/lispm/explorer-docs/ As I mentioned a few weeks ago, he's trying to locate an original Explorer. -- Check with Paul Pierce re iPSC/1's

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SCSI Question

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old. To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the termination. There's a nice little adapter out there but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could try to assemble something with gender changers, but I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure would work. So my question is, does anyone know where to find an adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have a better suggestion? Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart

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Punch Card Humor

by mythtech＠mac.com

>then took the extra time messing >with the control marks along the edge. > >I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do >with it, but we never got the results back. I've heard (but never been able to test), that if you rub chapstick, or similar semi reflective goo, along the control lines of a ScanTron form, that it can't track where to check for an answer. Supposedly if this is done for exams (or similar right/wrong scoreing items), it will fail to see any answers, and thus not consider any wrong, so it will think everything is correct, giving you a perfect score. Now, I openly believe that something like chapstick can keep it from tracking where to look for an answer, but I find it harder to believe that ScanTron has their systems set to assume everything is correct, and only deduct those it finds wrong (seems like a setup like that would be way to easy to bypass... so I would think they would assume a score of Zero, and add up the right answers instead). Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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cdc 9766 disk drive

by vcf＠vintage.org

Can anyone help this guy? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:38:36 -0800 From: John Kaur <digitg(a)flash.net> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: cdc 9766 disk drive Am looking for a cdc 9766 disk drive, removable pack, 300 mb, series # is BK-7A1A in working condition. One I am running on my old pdp-11 has spindle bearing problems. I live is Tucson, Arizona. Willing to pay, but need soon. John Kaur, 520-622-1006. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... > > I graduated in 1982. Ah, same time frame I was working for the schools (having graduated in 1975). > We didn't have any fancy scanners for scoring tests, our > teachers had to do that by hand. We did have a lot of the > scanned tests for standardized testing and such, but of > course those all were sent off for scoring. Indiana has had a strong committment to education during most of my life. We insitiuted a state-wide system for tracking student progress in basic skills beginning in 1980, and we did a good job, but failed to pilot the system; if you think you know something about what sysadmins call "lusers", imagine a group of people who talk all day to 2nd graders then you have to explain a command-driven interface to them... ...to make a long story short, basic skills testing got bad press from teachers in Indiana, even before the parents started getting a more accurate idea of how their kids were actually performing. -dq

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anyone have a ScanTron system they can try it on.... I have always > wondered if it was true, or just one of those school age rumors. Thanks, Chris.... ScanTron was the small unit we had, and now I remember writing a suite of code at RETS to drive another one, this time, in BASIC and COBOL... The big scanner we had was a NCS Sentry , but can't recall the model number... -dq

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HP 9845B parts available

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Well, I dug it out and brought it home. I am willing to part it out. What I have is a 9845B with no monitor, interfaces, paper cover, Roms or Rom Carts. It does have it's tape drives and a good keyboard I am willing to sell or trade parts. I saved it mainly to see what it looks like inside. I have wanted to take it apart for years. I used to have several and kept this for parts. Now this is the only one I have left, sniff. Please contact me off list at whoagiii(a)aol.com I will ship parts internationally. Thanks, Paxton Astoria, OR 97103 USA

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> That reminds me of the time in High School when they had all > of us in the 12th grade fill out this scanned form asking > all sorts of information I didn't think they needed. The form > was the type filled out with a #2 pencil and optically scanned. > I filled mine out (more or less correct, leaving answers I > didn't want to give blank), then took the extra time messing > with the control marks along the edge. > > I don't know if the changed control marks had anything to do > with it, but we never got the results back. Too bad you didn't go to my high school, 1980-1982... We had two such scanners- a little one that you fed a master into that had "the answers" and then subsequently the student answer forms, and it checked and marked them directly. Then we had a monster that was also programmable, but wrote out a 9-track tape that we'd load onto the Kennedy on the Prime... but IIRC, we could not get it to deal with the multiple marks. So I had to write a PL/I program that would always mark wrong any question with multiple answers. ;)

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MicroVAX-II questions

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Christopher Smith wrote: > >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) The warnings about "we'll soon de-support the DEQNA" started in release notes round about 1987. It lasted for at least another five years. Ethernet drivers used to use an interface called FFI - allegedly Flaming Fast Interface but that was presumably just for management consumption :-) Round about V5.4[-x] or V5.5[-x] this interface was replaced with a new shinier one (whose name I've either forgotten or never knew) and at that point the DEQNA was stated to have stopped working. I never actually tested this, but the DECnet folks (in whose group I was working) told me it just plain would not work - by design. The DEQNA was DEC's first Qbus ethernet interface and was IIRC basically a LANCE chip on a Qbus card, the LANCE chip being essentially a DEUNA-in-a-chip. The DEUNA was DEC's first ethernet interface. The DELQA was the result of what they learned from that experience. The Turbo-DELQA was a ROM upgrade that improved performance further. Antonio

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MicroVAX-II questions

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Allison [mailto:ajp166@bellatlantic.net] > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never > could get it > >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested > solution I've > >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) > Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It That is more or less what I said, I think. :) I didn't mean that they didn't work at all, just that they'd had a lot of problems with them (so I hear), and replaced them because of it. > does not mean > it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working > as it should > (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a > then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower > cost DELQA. > You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! Tried 5.5? I have that version, so it would be interesting to know. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] > I have one friend that refers to me as owning a Univax. If you own _one_ VAX, it may be more proper -- UniVAX, as opposed to a VAXCluster. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Some detective work revealed the source of the errors. > The dye used in the blue punch cards was slightly hygroscopic. > The absorbed water made all the blue cards slightly longer than > the rest, just long enough to throw off the reader. > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink uniformly so that it will jam the reader. As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". -dq

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Seen on RISKS-L

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] > Sent: 07 March 2002 18:24 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Seen on RISKS-L > > >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing > sound, images, > >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable. > The data was > >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the > BBC Micro, of > >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really* still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros. Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of whether you've got a Domesday machine or not? a

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Thinning the heard

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for the the >really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips >but not the data. freetradezone is (effectively) gone now but I guess they would have had all this stuff. For TTL, I managed to get some CDs direct from TI: "Logic Selection Guide and Databook" "Designer's Guide and Databook" One or other of these has the TTL stuff. I did this a few years ago when I went to their website, found the technical literature section, clicked on the ones I wanted and filled in my employer's address. CDs turned up in the post, free, about two weeks later. Same thing worked for the Intel Developer CDs - these turned up quarterly for a while. I cannot find the sign up section anymore so I guess they've stopped (or they are somewhat more selective ...!) Motorola, Amtel, AMD and Cypress have all sent CDs too. It does save downloading and it certainly saves a good deal of space on the shelves too! Antonio

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MicroVAX-II questions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > >> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS >> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or >> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does >> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS >> older than 6.2. > >ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it >to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've >seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :) Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It does not mean it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working as it should (some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower cost DELQA. You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one! I was a digit then, and it was significant to my projects so I was in the loop as it were. Allison

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Punch Card Humor

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman > > suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in > > order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution > > that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink > > uniformly so that it will jam the reader. > > As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system". > > Why not just punch some extra holes in it? > /* was quite useful with 360 JCL Hmmm... that sounds familiar, he may have suggested that as an alternative method, using a razor blade... he'd have been pretty clueless about a keypunch, I think (although he started as a suit-and-tie guy). -dq

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Top collectable machines

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] > Don't you mean a MultiVAX? :-) :-) :-) Maybe the dual-cpu VAX-11 configuration could be considered a MultiVAX? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Thinning the heard

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote: > > > how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever way > > they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh. > > Finally, some sense! Agreed. We associate here my mutual choice, and we haven;t chose to create a communal organizational structure (and a commune simply won'y work with most groupings of people[0]) [0] ObCommFactoid: not slamming communes, but having lived in one for nine months, I can tell you it takes a special group of people to make it work, and we weren't sufficiently special..

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OT: PayPal = payola?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Interesting one here... While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote 'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is trying to say something? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT: national control of internet

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Sellam said: >...governments want to try to control the >content, for various political and social reasons (political dissent, >porn, etc.) As we all know, try as they might, they won't be able to >control it, .... There is a scary article in last week's Weekly Standard that makes this a more shaky proposition. Basically the contention in the article is that the internet in China effectively *has* been placed under the control of the Chinese government. The key technology there has been developed by Cisco, AT&T, and other telecom giants given suitable financial inducement by the chinese government, and as I understood the article, it involves putting firewalls around the entire country, with enough power to sniff packets for subversive terms to effectively render the internet unusable to elements unfriendly to the government. The article does hold out hope, based on cryptography, "pirate" links from Hong Kong, etc. Anyway, I'm not currently convinced that internet access is currently synonomous with freedom of information exchange. - Mark

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