- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Mike wrote: >> >> > I would bet monet that no person ever sees a bid placed with 2 or 3 >> > seconds left that has time to react and change their bid. >> >> How much monet? >> > >One clod. I saw an interesting thing happen a couple of years ago, with *silly* consequences for those involved.

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eBay sniping

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

At 20:54 24/04/2003, you wrote: > > At 18:23 24/04/2003, you wrote: > > > > > >>All this garbage about > >>extending auctions an extra minute, blah blah blah, is just a dumb idea. > > > > I dispute that - the "extension" idea is what happens in a "normal" > > auction. The auctioneer will take bids until all competing bidders back > > out, leaving the one winner. This, naturally, maximises the sale price > > (which is good for the seller & the auction house). > >Absolute nonsense! In a normal auction, there is no specified "end time." Er, so? > These are two completely different formats. In a normal auction, >everyone shows up at the same time and bids. Bidding is only for a few >minutes. Rather like a typical eBay auction then. >In an eBay auction (a completely different format) everyone has a very >long time to decide. Only because (a) there's so many items on eBay, and (b) it operates in several time zones. Imagine having to login to eBay every day at 3pm (then adjust for timezone) just to bid on an item. >If you had an extended time feature (or pathetic idea) no one would bid on >a 10 day auction until day 10. There would be no need to, unless you just >couldn't be around. So, rather like the current format. >What you are trying to do is have a completely new format for an auction. Bullshit. The format is identical, with a built-in "anti-snipe" measure. >Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such >"NORMAL" auction like this. Of course you do. "Normal" auctions are held on a specific day, which in real-world terms is much the same thing as an eBay end time. Hell, you even have "buy-it-now" (sold prior, in a normal auction format), withdrawn & changed lots. >This is like a >sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the >winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by >others). Absolute bullshit. A sealed bid auction does not allow you to bid more than once, nor do you know if your bid has been exceeded. Nor is there any advantage/disadvantage in bidding early or late, as no-one knows what the bids are until the auction finishes. -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

At 17:45 28/04/2003, you wrote: >Here is another interesting thing about sniping. I hear people all the >time saying that sniping hurts sellers. > >However, I have never seen a seller that doesn't like sniping. It's >always a bidder that complains and never the experienced seller. I'm extremely tempted to agree with you on this (although I should point out that I don't really give a monkeys about sniping/not sniping - all of the auctions I've not won, I wouldn't have paid the final price even if I'd known it in advance). The only thing I'd say, which may or may not be seen as a disagreement, is that we don't /know/ that the eBay fixed end-time model does - or does not - hurt sellers. Sure, sniping ups the ante in the last few seconds much of the time - but would it have gone higher with an extending auction? Until (if) eBay try it, we will never know... -- Cheers, Ade. Be where it's at, B-Racing! http://b-racing.com

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Facit 4070 8 level Paper Tape Punch For Sale (Cambridge, UK)

by A.F.R.Bain＠statslab.cam.ac.uk

As part of an imposed old-hardware clear out, and the decision on the grounds of space to stick to 5 level tape for which I have a reader and printer, I've got a Facit 4070 paper tape punch for sale. In working order, complete with chad box. Instructions on connecting to a parallel port may be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~pmaydell/misc/cardpunch/dongle.htm It's in Cambridge, UK and is heavy so would be expensive to post anywhere! Offers, questions to me at <afrb2(a)cam.ac.uk> Alan Bain

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Two new Apple toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>It uses ADB mouse and keyboard so if you have that your set. Monitor is >probably the only problem. An old mac monitor would probably work. No, it probably won't work with a mac montior. The Mac uses a different style RGB. But, the IIgs does have composite video as well as RGB, so you can always use the composite video in absence of the right RGB monitor. Mac ADB keyboards and mice are fully compatible with the IIgs. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Superman could win any sealed-bid auction he wanted to. And all along, we thought the "S" stood for Sellam! :)

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Reminder - Trenton Computer Festival coming up...

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

A reminder to the list that the TCF 2003 is coming up this weekend... 28th Annual TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL(TM) May 3-4, 2003 NJ Convention Center in the Raritan Center Edison, NJ Info here: http://www.pcshow.com/ While no longer held in Trenton (now in Edison NJ), it's a worthwhile show for the fleamarket where lots of classic computers and other hardware (I.C.s, and other cool things) can often be found cheap! If you are in traveling distance to Edison NJ, you might want to make the trip. While the flea has been getting smaller and smaller, AND is mostly dominated by recent PC stuff... There are still classic bargains to be had. Last year there were several complete Apple II systems (monitor, drives, CPU, joysticks, software) for $5.00 each. PowerMac 6100's for $10.00 (A pallet of them). A dealer was selling DEC Alpha Motherboards. LaserJet IIIp's for $40.00 (I bought one), and Lexmark Laser Printers (a small WinPrinter) for $50.00. Amigas of all stripes were there, lots of older systems I didn't know much about. I'm sure some of the "Big Iron" a lot of you here are talking about. S-100 boards here and there... Software, and other things... I'll report anything cool I see. I'm hoping to pick up a TRS-80 Model I or III (or my holy grail... an LNW-80), and maybe another Amiga. I passed up a late model white C-64 for $5.00 last year. This year, I won't. I also saw an SX-64 being sold. But didn't want to pay $100.00 for it. Since it didn't look like it was working. That's all! Regards, Al The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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286 Computers (and an Apollo note)

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

If you have a complete 386 DX 66 or higher (box), I might be interested. -- actually, my wife would be more interested. She misses WordStar and the Dr. Brain series. She'd be in 7th heaven... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: John Rollins [mailto:kd7bcy@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:36 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 286 Computers (and an Apollo note) >*But* you can play Castle Wolfenstein 3D on them! ;) Why keep a 286 around when it does fine on my Mac? I don't play it much anymore, I bought the new Return to Castle Wolfenstein, someone told me it's based on the Quake 3 engine. Very nice, but needs a lot of memory. The Belkin Nostromo game controller really helps, too. But what am I supposed to do with the old PC's? I'm keeping the more interesting stuff like my PC and XT. And my personal favorite, the HP Vectra. But the typical beige box junk is cluttering up my basement. Everything from 286/386 parts to Pentium MMX systems, what can be done with them besides recycling the chassis and hoping you'll need the other parts eventually? I don't imagine many people need or want that old stuff, even on eBay. Speaking of eBay, I have some Apollo parts I'm going to put up just to see what happens. Odd stuff like WD7000 cards and memory cards and such. Once I gather up most of the other stuff I'll be offering it here on the list, but if you're interested in getting an old Apollo chassis and various parts and bits, let me know. I could probably ship the small stuff, but the big stuff is pretty heavy so I'd prefer to give it to someone local. I'll post a note here when I get it all together. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/

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eBay sniping

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a > minute or two > > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. > This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder. NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is willing to bid. I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for $300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to pay. The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway.

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Getting long; Was Re: eBay being sued over patent infringement

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

> > eBay prices may be inflated, from a professional dealer's or an > experienced > > hobbyist's perspective. > Actually, they are not inflated at all. Before ebay, prices were depressed because of the lack of exposure to the item. Supply and demand was still at work but the demand side is very much increased by ebay. On items were there is a fixed supply, like antiques and collectibles, the only side of the equation that can increase is demand. Therefore, the price rises to the fair and correct value. Simple! Of course, those that are whining about not being able to find bargains, don't believe that. :-)

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IBM PC DOS 1.10 on a Hard Drive

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

I have an early 64k 5150 PC, with an internal 10mb hard drive, and external power supply for the hd, and a Davong controller card. I figured I'd never get this thing running, but I lucked out and found another Davong ps and card, plus the original (July 1982) documentation and installation diskette!!!! $5 plus $20 shipping....a bargain for ebay! I finally got around to seeing if I could get it working. The drive in my machine is labelled 10 mg formatted. The docs and installation software mention 6mb and 12mb formatted drives...not 10mb. To install it, I followed the instructions in the manual...first, make a blank formatted bootable dos 1.10 floppy. Then copy the files from the Davong diskette to the new floppy. Now run the installation program, which configures and formats the hard drive. At first, I told it that the drive was 12mb, and it crashed during the installation. I changed to 6mb, and it worked fine. Now I have a system that boots from the floppy I made, and comes up in the A: drive...but that is the hard drive! B: is another partition on the hard drive (volume, actually), and C: is the floppy drive. Wierd to get used to. But PC DOS 1.x on a hard drive is a rather rare thing. I have a copy of PC DOS 1.00 also, and the Davong software has support for it also. That might be my next experiment. This drive identification scheme is just like on my Kaypro 10, which runs CP/M on it's hard drive (but the Kayrpo boots from the hard drive, unlike the PC) The Kaypro has user areas, which act a bit like the directories on DOS 2.x + -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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Wanted: PC parts (was: Re: free pc stuff (Salford, UK))

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Wrong side of the pond is right, I was thinking the same thing (another working AT board with CPU would be great to fix a machine who's board ate itself). Toth, where are ya? I've got my Token Ring which has sat here on the back burner pile since I've been dealing with other things. DB9 to Vampire connector cables (8ft), an IBM 8228, a 3Com LinkBuilder FMS TR 12, a Bay Networks BayStack Token Ring Hub 504 series 24port with MDA Fiber card and Network Management Module, an old AT case, some not-really working AT 386/486/Pentium boards, an ISA Cirrus Logic video card (worked as of 3 months ago when I last used it), etc. I even have a couple EISA Adaptec 1742 (?) cards floating about. Note: The Token Ring NICs are all PCI and are IBM and Madge, save one: an ISA Ring Adapter card that has BOTH ISA and MCA edges (just flip a daughtercard/backplate). Nothing to spare on NICs or PCI/ISA SCSI though, since they are used in my other boxes. Yours for shipping and maybe some LED's/kits? can never go wrong with blinky lights and loud fans, heh. All in all told, probably 2 boxes of stuff, weighing in at about 30-40 pounds. UPS ground/USPS last I checked to most lower 48 states locations is under $35. Talk more off-list and I can give you a better number. -John john at boff-net dot dhs dot org --------------------------------- At 03:50 AM 4/27/2003, you wrote: >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > > > Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the > > following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from > > Salford, UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly > > noteworthy here, btw, but it might interest someone. > >Darn, on the wrong side of the pond :/ > > > 10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT > > form factor. > > 6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor > > 1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes.. > >I've been talking about this off-list for awhile now, but I might as well >mention something here too. I've been playing with the idea of building a >Mosix or similar distributed CPU project from old (obsolete? whats that? >:) 386/486/Pentium boards. I drew up a CAD design for a rack that can hold >12 such boards on edge. The design uses right angle ISA adapters to allow >NICs to be plugged into the motherboards. > > > I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage, not to mention > > SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it. > >------- >Recycled text from an older email: >(Maybe I should put up a better list on web page?) > >I am looking for certain bits of odd, or in some cases very common PC >hardware if you happen to come across much in the way of used PC stuff. I >use such boards for driver development/testing for Linux, BSD, etc for >older hardware when time permits. Since I don't make money from working >with free drivers, I can't afford to spend much on the hardware, but I am >happy to cover shipping costs. [Of course, there is a limit to what I can >afford, so if lots of people contact me, I may have to ask about putting >some things on hold...] > >The kinds of boards I'm always looking for are: > > S3 chipset based video boards, ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI > Other older ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI video boards (*except* most 'trident' > chipset) > Promise Technology caching controllers, ISA, EISA, VLB, etc > Promise Technology (other boards) > BusTek, BusLogic, Mylex [all the same company] SCSI controllers > Adaptec SCSI controllers (practically any type) > Madge Token Ring cards > Token Ring cards (3Com, IBM, etc) > SMC Arcnet and Ethernet cards (some originally made by Western Digital) > >The more "unusual" cards are also often helpful, including boards with >EISA or MCA interfaces. Some old motherboards and such are also quite >helpful, such as old multi-processor types. > >In addition to the kind of hardware above that I can use for driver >development and testing, 3Com Etherlink III cards of most any type are >always helpful. I tend to give lots of those away to local schools and >such, as they are very reliable and were (are?) extremely popular cards. >------- > >-Toth ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

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free pc stuff (Salford, UK)

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from Salford, UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly noteworthy here, btw, but it might interest someone. 10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT form factor. 6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor 1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes.. 4 x ISA internal modems 1 x PCI internal modem 1 x ISA game port card. All are from stipped down PCs, so may or may not work (though apart from the ATX board, I'd be pretty confident of them.) Also have a mountain of Floppy and IDE (ata33) cables whomever can pick through. I'll also probably be adding to this pile as I work my way through the boxes. I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage, not to mention SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it. I have cases and some (working but 'need adjustment') monitors too I can throw in. If anybody is interested, drop me an email on robert at irrelevant dot com or ring on 07801 809928. I don't want to get into mailing individual bits out I am afraid, this is mainly an effort to make some space so I can work on a new bedroom! :-) regards Rob.

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Board ID : Plessey PM DCV51?

by n1malone＠cox.net

Is it possible for you to send me the data sheets for the 8X305. thx

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New finds this week

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I found some new toys out at Purdue Surplus this week... 2xIBM RS/6000 model 220 -- POWER single chip 33MHz 2xIBM RS/6000 model 250 -- PowerPC 601, 66MHz The one I opened had both memory and a hard disk, and all but one of them still had their keys. These things are nice pizza-box sized things, I'm tempted to try and use them as X-Terminals, since they do have framebuffers. Has anyone tried this before? Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

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ANN: Altair32 Emulator v2.5 release notice

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Tonight I posted to my Web site the latest release of the Altair32 Emulator for Windows. Through the hard, and much appreciated work of my closest project teammates, over the last few months we've made a few bug fixes and several enhancements that improve the functionality of the Emulator. The release notes include the complete detail, but the most significant changes include: * "Revision 0" front panel graphics. * Disk drive dialog replaced with bitmap graphics of real disk drive enhanced with disk sounds. * Full VT100 terminal support within the Windows Console terminal option. Now, you can add color to your BASIC programs by using CHR$ codes. * Added the option of using a real terminal as the console through the host's serial port. * Updated unified configuration dialogs. * Added the ability to create blank disk files on the fly. * Revised documentation. Enjoy the emulator. For the next release we're working on bitmapped graphics for the paper tape reader and possibly a Z80 CPU "plug-in". If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop me a line. Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Altair32 page: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/Altair32.htm /************************************************************/

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Amiga CATS developer CD 1.0, IBM Storyteller Live

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, I posted a question about this to an Amiga newsgroup a while ago, but no-one there seemed to know much about it. I have a CD-ROM produced by Commodore-Amiga Inc. labelled CATS Developer CD V1.0 (CATSCD10). This was probably distributed to registered Amiga developers circa 1991. The disc doesn't contain an ISO 9660 filesystem. Examining the raw data seems to suggest there might be a presentation authored with the IBM StoryTeller Live! package (StoryTeller Live! was a multimedia authoring package for DOS PCs, probably similar to Macromedia Director). I have a copy of the ST.EXE player program on an old magazine cover CD. One possibility might be that my CD was mis-labelled at the replicator, but that's unlikely. If anyone is curious enough to investigate further, I have uploaded a picture of the CD and image files of its contents to http://www.a32768.fsnet.co.uk/CATS_CD_V1.0/ (I split the image file into 4MB chunks and compressed each using gzip. To recreate the file decompress all .gz files, then join them in order.) Regards, -- Mark

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DSD 880 Q Bus RL02 emulator

by runtime＠wzrd.com

I have a Data Systems Design DSD 880 Q-Bus drive. It dates from 1982 or 1983, and is a RL02 emulator (as I remember); there's a big old 8" drive (Shugart, I think) in a 19" wide rack mount. Also, there's a Q-Bus interface. The last time I used it was maybe 1985, but more likely 1984, and it worked. It could be set to look like an RL02 with 5 mb but also you could set it up to give something like 7 or 8 mb, as I remember. A quick look in the old documentation box doesn't show anything there for it. I have no Q-Bus equipment on which to test it; I wouldn't bet on its working at the moment, but it might. Storage conditions have been, let's say, casual. I'd be happy to let it go for ACTUAL SHIPPING COST. It's located in Buffalo, NY. Don Mitchell

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HP 5036A microprocessor lab

by mark_k＠totalise.co.uk

Hi, On 21 April 2003 Stuart Johnson wrote: >Yes, I managed to get a manual, by watching auctions on eBay. In fact, I >bought another HP 5036A plus manual and let the seller keep the hardware to >save shipping costs from England to the US. The manual is softcover and >would not be easy to copy without cutting the spine off, which would ruin >its value. Coincidentally enough, I bought a copy of the 5036A service manual (HP part no. 05036-90001) a few weeks ago. Is that very different from the user manual? It says the microfiche part no. is 05036-90002. Maybe it's still available on microfiche from HP? Okay, that's doubtful... Along with that was a book titled "SC-MPUTER (2)" from Elektor publishers dated 1980. Has anyone come across an SC-MPUTER? It may only have been sold in kit form. Regards, -- Mark

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ClassicCmp Auction Site?

by MTPro＠aol.com

From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> << Things I would like to see in a ClassicCmp auction site: links/descriptions of equipment that could be incorporated in listings a mechanism to allow trades of equipment a way of qualifying buyers and sellers before they list/bid/trade. >> This last one is very interesting. In what way(s) would you qualify anyone to participate in the auctions? A ClassicCmp auction and/or trade site would be a great idea, but I'd bet that anyone who still wanted the most money for their item, would still list it on eBay for the most exposure and money potential. This can't really be escaped. There will be the ongoing problem of people just posting eBay auctions to the auction/trades site too. Best, David David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

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HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks

by peterbrown10＠hotmail.com

Hi All, Thanks for the help with LIF formats and CS80 protocol. I now have the bare bones of an application working. Currently the application runs on a PC fitted with a NI GPIB board. It reads LIF formatted hardrives (in my case one of two 9133's that I have) extracting the file catalog. A file can then be selected from the catalog and its binary image written to the PC's hard drive. This means that I can back-up the files on one of the 9133 drives before reformatting it :) That's as far as I've got at the moment - it has taken rather longer than I had first hoped but seems to be pretty stable now. I could write some more code to allow sets of files to be selected from the binary images stored on the PC and then written back to the CS80 protocol hard drive (either re-formatting the hard drive or appending the new files to the existing catalog). This would allow easy file interchange (and back-up) for people with CS80 / LIF based computers. Perhaps a database of binaries / files could be made available on the internet to download as required? What would the copyright implications be if such a database were made available? Would there be any interest from people with 9000 200 and 300 systems on the list? If there is enough interest I will look doing the extra coding sooner rather than putting it on the pile of things that I 'really shoud do one day'. Cheers Peter Brown _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile

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Some serious punched-card equipment on Ebay

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2724747600&category=1247 Someone in Minneapolis/St. Paul has quite a lot of IBM punched card equipment up for sale. They mention 029, 077, 129, 514, and 526 -- it looks like a large number of punches with perhaps one each of the 077, 514, and 526. The auction ends in 8 days and is for "the right to contact me on the above machines" -- so it looks like, if you want some or all of the equipment, you'll have a chance to make a deal rather than take it en bloc. Norm

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The suit is over the process of running the auction which another person patented in the early 90s. It is an interesting suit. At one time in 2000 or so eBay offered to pay licensing fees, then opted to fight it. Actually, as a seller, I think the eBay process sucks. It is the second best bidder that really sets the price. The advantage really is to the bidder. Another very successful Internet auction run by LabX is a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a minute or two when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. WWW.labx.com I do much better for lab equipment here than on eBay. Auctions are much more like real auctions. LabX is a totally different, more real auction model. Very successful also. I did an interesting experiment with some identical Olympus microscope tubes (parts). They did sell for much more on eBay than LabX (av $75 vs. $20). On the other hand an IBM HPLC did much better on LabX than eBay ($400 vs $35) and saw a lot of action at the end. To keep this on topic I do find classic computers on the LabX auction site that were primarily used as lab controllers. They often go cheap. Paxton Astoria, OR

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More stuff from the closet

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, Isn't cleaning fun? I've dug up the following stuff. Let me know off list if your interested. Cost plus actual shipping. I'm asking for paypal this time. Unless your in Michigan you can always pick up. Here's what I dug up this time. Books at $2.00 each How to Build your own working robot pet - Dacosta -1979 (excellent - uses 8085) 178 IC Designs & Applications - Mendelson - 1984 Handbook of simplified solid-state circuit design - Lenk - 1971 Fiberoptics - Kuecken - Tab books - 1980 ================================ Manuals at $1.00 each or all for $4.00 (for the Apple II - I don't even own one) Synergizer CP/M User's manual Master Diagnostics + plus from Nikrom Bag of Tricks by Don worth and Peter Lechner from Quality Software (probably close to 100 pages) RanaSystems Elite Controller Manual (and for the Atari ST) ICD AdSCSI ST Series Manual ================================ A pair of Mitsubishi Luma 1000 video phones - 1986 (not vintage computer but still cool) $50 for the set Okay, I'm still cleaning. I'm sorry to have to say this but if you have written me before and have not followed through on a previous transaction I'm going to have to ignore your email. I understand that things come up but when you can't take 2 minutes to drop me an email and let me know what's going on then..... Okay, enough of that. How about something I'm looking for. Does anyone have an Intersil 6100 chip that they might be willing to part with? Let me know. Thanks Rob

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PDP-11 Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 (Originally Produced by Tim Shoppa)

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

The last two times I posted this, another person contacted me either for help or to request the CDs. This will be the last time for about 6 months unless more people reply. In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 that Tim Shoppa originally produced: I am in the middle of finishing a second (very small) batch of CDs and could easily add a few additional copies. I will be making all copies of the CD images from: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/ http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/ Since not everyone has both a high speed internet connection and a CD burner, I thought it would be helpful to make them available. If you have both requirements and are using Windows 98 SE / Nero Burning, I can help with the details if you don't know how to burn a CD from an "Image File". I have even been able to produce a label for each CD that is close to the original label from Tim Shoppa, although since they were scanned (THANK YOU FOR THE HELP), they are not perfect. They are available at $ 5 / $ 9 / $ 12 for 1 / 2 / 3 CDs. In addition, I understand that Memorex Black CD-Rs have a longer shelf life and are available at Business Depot. If anyone wants those instead, add $ 1 for each CD that you are requesting. Thus those amounts are $ 6 / $ 11 / $ 15 Please contact me directly for my snail mail address. I picked up some Memorex Black CD-R blanks and started on the copies for those who have already requested that a Black CD-R be used. Please include your mailing address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In general, I will regard any funds you send as a gift so that if anyone really can't afford the CDs, please state why that is so. Outside of the US, probably about $ 2 should be sufficient for extra postage. All amounts are in US dollars. Please ask if you are not in the US. No point in converting twice. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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PDP-11 Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11 (Originally

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I think I am interested in these CDs. I have a few questions though. I > apologize in advance for any "newbie" questions. Can I use these CDs with > E-11 or simh? Also how many different CDs are you creating? (If you order 3 > are they all the same?) Also, can you paypal? (I would be willing to add a > service charge if you can.) Thanks for any answers you can provide. I'm not sure about E11, but with SIMH, you should be able to 'dd' them to a disk image, and access the RT-11 formated portion of the RT-11 CD from RT-11 and the ODS-1 formated RSX-11M/M+ CD from RSX-11M/M+. I got copies of these when Tim first put them together, and I was able to read both the RT-11 formated and ODS-1 formated one on my PDP-11/73 (under the appropriate OS's). Zane

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Depressing realization...

by mike＠shawnuff.net

For anyone interested I have a few telephone line simulators for sale or trade.... -Mike >I do see that there are multitudinous hits on 'Telephone Line >Simulator' on Yahoo. You could connect two machines in your >home without a real phonecall. > >John A.

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Video Phones

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi, I've had a couple of request for pictures of the video phones. I snapped a quick one. Take a look at: http://idisk.mac.com/colourfull_creations/Public/ads/video.jpg They work over a standard phone line. The have a built in address book that you program on the screen. Pretty cool for 1986. Oh, the exact model # is VM-100 Rob Robert Borsuk - rborsuk(a)colourfull.com President Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

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maybe OT: Performa 6200CD needs network help

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for >Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only >thing I could find that was even close to sounding like the right >thing). >Anyone have any ideas? I wrote down some cryptic info off the card >itself, nothing obvious to me about the manufacturer or model >("SONIC-T"..."BD-059 Rev A"...?) You've got the wrong drivers. Sonic cards need their own driver, and don't work with the Apple drivers. Obviously, Farallon drivers aren't going to work either. try this download ftp://ftp.sonicwall.com/pub/software/Unsupported/Ethernet/Ethernet_7.8.imag e.sea.hqx Also, uninstall or disable the Farallon drivers. The Sonic will also install as "Alternate Ethernet" which will probably cause issues with the Farallon Drivers (you can disable the Apple Drivers too if you want since they won't be used either). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Misc. Stuff Available

by anheier＠owt.com

With all this talk of sniping and auctions, I have some more eclectic stuff available for best offer or trade. I prefer Paypal. item 1. I have a bunch (30?) of unused ACTEL PLCC FPGA ICs: A1010A-PLC86C A1020A-PLC86C A1280A-PQ160C I have the data book on these too. item 2. Hewlett-Packard, HP-15C owner handbook, excellent shape item 3. EV80C196CA evaluation board from the Dearborn Group Inc, with manual. Please contact me directly, Thanks for your time Norm

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Announcing the Vintage Computer Festival Marketplace

by vcf＠siconic.com

Ok, I guess it's time to begin the launch of the Vintage Computer Festival Marketplace. This has been in the works between Patrick Rigney and I for several weeks now, and it's just about ready for prime time. However, there is still some tweaking and debugging, and we'll want to enlist the help of 5-10 alpha/beta testers. But first, let me explain some of the features of the VCF Marketplace that, we believe, makes it a preferred venue to buy/sell/trade vintage computers. The site is based on the premise that we are all one community, and that we generally all want to trade old computers for hobby or business purposes. Some of us may want to make money. Others may just be interested in trading some of their good stuff for someone else's good stuff. Some may just want to give stuff away. Whatever the motive, our service caters to everyone. The basic services offered include: - Buy (search for what you want and buy/bid) - Sell (list your items) - Trade (ads can be posted as "for trade" or even "for sale or trade") - Request ("I'm looking for <?>") We also feature: - Discussion boards - A more sensible feedback/rating system We will in the future feature: - Inventory management (keep your own personal collection inventory complete with descriptions, serial numbers, photos, etc., and use the pre-entered data to sell/trade off items as you like) - Store fronts (use the inventory manager to input all your items for sale, then have people "enter" your store and shop around) The most important feature (from a buyer perspective) is searching. Our service has a search capability well beyond what eBay offers. I think everyone pretty much knows that putting a search term in eBay does not always guarantee you'll get what you want. In a lot of cases you have to wade through dozens, sometimes hundreds or even thousands of (irrelevant) results. We solve this in two ways. First, our service is targeted to the vintage computer enthusiast, so only items that are or are related to vintage computers will be listed. Second, we allow you to search by type, make, model and keyword. There are other search criteria that can be added to further refine your search (e.g. condition, keywords, etc.) The results will always be relevant to what you are looking for. And in case you're wondering, yes, there is a free-form entry in case the make or model is not in our database. When anything free-form is entered, we'll research it and add it to our permanent database. We also offer convenient and useful features such as the ability to save a search and e-mail notification. You can save a search and reference it whenever you want (so you don't have to keep entering in search terms over and over). You can also have the service notify you when something new comes up in your search criteria. You can even be notified the instant a new item gets listed that meets your criteria (but it costs...more on this later). Our navigation system is also laid out in a format that we feel is more organized and logical than other auction sites. The information is presented in a much more orderly and readable fashion. You will not experience the gawdiness of some eBay auctions. Clean, uniform listings is what you'll get. Listing an item is easy and more structured. If you're selling, you first decide how you want to sell it. Is it a sale or an auction? If it's a sale, you can put in the amount you want, or solicit a best offer by a certain date, or you can use the Max Eskin method (1.x * cost of shipping where x = some factor) if you're really just interested in giving it away. You can also specify a trade value, i.e. if you're listing a Sol-20, you can specify a dollar amount or "Trade for IMSAI 8080". If it's an auction, you decide what type of auction. You can have the (by now) traditional timed-auction (highest bid by a fixed time/date), timed-auction plus automatic extensions (to thwart sniping), sealed bid (basically the same thing as the best-offer-by-date sale), etc. For describing the item, we have a more powerful entry form. You have the choice of either listing an item in the traditional fashion (i.e. one description of a complete system), or you can list each item individually in a collective lot. So for instance, for a complete computer system, you first start with the general lot description, then you can individually enter the computer (you select its make and model, then enter pertinent information such as it's physical and operating condition) and then the display or terminal (same information) and then perhaps a peripheral of some sort (same info), and you can attach a photo to each. This helps you organize your listing and makes it easier for others to find your items. Of course, if you don't want to take the time to list the item in that manner (it really doesn't take much more time than a general overall description) you can, but it will be harder for people to find your items. Anyway, for buyers, you can browse the items that are listed in the database for sale/auction/trade/whatever by transaction type, or item type, or some combination thereof. For instance, say you want to peruse all S-100 adaptor boards. You can select "Adaptor Boards", "S-100" (or "ISA" or "PCI" or "Apple ][", etc.). You can then further specify you want to only see boards manufactured by "MITS", or "IMSAI", or "IMSAI" and "MITS", or any combination. Hit the submit button and you now have exactly what you are looking for. The listing shows all the items of the type you specified and at a glance shows you what type of listing it is (sale, trade, auction, freebie, etc.) Here's the best part: the site will be free to use for most people. As a buyer/browser, you of course pay nothing (unless you want to utilize the advance search features, discussed below). As a seller, once you establish an account, you can list up to 5 items every month free of charge. Once you go over the 5 item limit, you pay a flat fee of $20 for the month to list up to 15 more items. After that, you pay a flat fee of $50 a month to list an unlimited number of items. Also, you don't pay a sales commission. You just pay the flat listing fee. For buyers, you have access to all the advance search features. However, if you want the privelege of instant notification (you want to know the very moment someone lists an Altair for free) you'll have to pay a flat fee per month for that (a small fee per notification; yes you'll have to set-up an account to do this, and yes you'll have to, in effect, buy credits). Our service will be international in scope. We recognize the world-wide nature of computer collecting. In a next phase, we will implement multiple currencies and multiple languages. To start, however, everything will be in English and the Almighty Dollar. As mentioned, we are ready to begin some testing. We want to list the aid of 5-10 volunteer testers. You will be rewarded with free use of the paid features of the site for your help. If you're interested, please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. If all goes well, we hope to open the site up in a beta mode in about 2-4 weeks. We'll then go into full live mode. We will be actively advertising the site to raise its profile among the community and make sure that it always has an abundance of listings so that it doesn't just become an also-ran. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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sharp pc-7000a manual scans

by paulm064＠icqmail.com

i am seeking scans of any and all manuals for sharp pc-7000a portable computer. can any one help? thanks paul

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

In cctalk digest, Vol 1 #569, Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote: > > Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote: > > MS was charged with exerting undue influence - active coercion - on > > their customers, using that market share as leverage. > > No one ever had to buy Microsoft products. They always could have > gone with the Macintosh platform, or a Unix system. This is your personal opinion and I respect it. It does not, however, change the *fact* that Micro$oft was found guilty of breaking the anti-trust law. No logical argument can dispute that, since it is a fact; Micro$oft exhausted the appeal process, so unless the law is changed, or Micro$oft is pardoned, they remain guilty. Maybe the anti-trust laws are wrong, or unfair, however Micro$oft is now legally considered to have been a monopoly and to have leveraged their status to gain unfair advantage over their competitors. **vp

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maybe OT: Performa 6200CD needs network help

by mbates＠whoopis.com

Hi folks, I've got a friend with a Macintosh Performa 6200CD, and we can't get the network card to function. We've upgraded to OS 9.1 (though we may back it down to 8.5/8.6, it's really really slow now) and when that didn't work, I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only thing I could find that was even close to sounding like the right thing). The end result of that was, in the TCP/IP control panel, there are options for "Ethernet slot 1" and "Alternate Ethernet" but neither one accepts an IP address (when we select DHCP, on a known-good DHCP network, it thinks for a few seconds and then says "no valid network address available" or something, and AppleTalk refuses to switch to that interface, and a manually-assigned, known-valid IP also fails). When I hit the Info button in that same control panel, it says Hardware Address Not Available. That seems bad. If it recognizes the card at all, it ought to see the "hardware" (MAC) address in any situation, right? There is a green LED lit up on the card itself, and the LED on the hub lights up too...we tried re-seating the card, no change...tried reinstalling OS 9.1...tried disabling the "Apple Built-in Ethernet" extension...no dice. Anyone have any ideas? I wrote down some cryptic info off the card itself, nothing obvious to me about the manufacturer or model ("SONIC-T"..."BD-059 Rev A"...?) Thanks in advance, -- MB

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maybe OT: Performa 6200CD needs network help

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/25/2003 10:38:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbates(a)whoopis.com writes: > > I've got a friend with a Macintosh Performa 6200CD, and we can't get > the network card to function. We've upgraded to OS 9.1 (though we may > back it down to 8.5/8.6, it's really really slow now) and when that > didn't work, I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for > Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only > One problem I had with an Asante NIC was that it would not work if connected to my 10/100 router. If I plugged it into a 10mb hub and then chained that to the router, it would work. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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More DEC Stuff Coming

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Full-height racks rock. Not if you bolt them down properly. Lee ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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[Slightly OT]

by cb＠mythtech.net

Ugh. Sorry to ask this here, but I know many of you will know the answer. I'm looking for a 15 pin High Density, PC Mount, D-Sub, Right Angle, Female socket. In other words, I have a VGA socket that I need to replace on a board. I'm have a surprisingly difficult time tracking one down. I can find 9 and 25 pin all I want, I can even find 15 pin, but not in the high density format (just the regular 2 rows like used in ethernet AUI or Mac RGB connectors). Anyone know of a place to get one. On the same thought, who do people recommend as a source for parts like this. I used to use MCM Electronics, but they seem to be moving more towards the flashy side of things and are carrying less and less variety of small parts. This would normally probably be on topic, but its for a repair of non-classic item, so its slightly off topic. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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eBay sniping

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

>>Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such >>"NORMAL" auction like this. > > Of course you do. "Normal" auctions are held on a specific day, which in > real-world terms is much the same thing as an eBay end time. Hell, you > even > have "buy-it-now" (sold prior, in a normal auction format), withdrawn & > changed lots. At best, that is a stretch. A specified end time, is just what it means. eBay is exactly what a sealed bid auction is. A "normal" auction can theoretically go for days. An ebay auction ends at X:YY period. Those that bid early are just people that make a bid and announce what they bid. But those that place their sealed bids at the end are unknown until the end of the auction. Any auction, where there is any real interest, is ALMOST NEVER won by an early bid; making them essentially non-bids. >>This is like a >>sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the >>winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by >>others). > > Absolute bullshit. A sealed bid auction does not allow you to bid more > than > once, nor do you know if your bid has been exceeded. Nor is there any > advantage/disadvantage in bidding early or late, as no-one knows what the > bids are until the auction finishes. Sure they do. Maybe some don't but many sealed bid auctions allow you to get your bid back and make a change. Until the end of the auction, you can do as you like. The auction you propose is: 1) one with a fixed end time that is published 2) has an extension period for x amount of minutes. There exists NO such auction in the real world. Only in your imagination for a format that you think will give you a better chance of winning. But the bottom line is, you don't win, unless you have the high bid. That is what ebay does; that is what any real world auction does. What you want is one that you can change your mind, essentially, after the auction should have ended. You want an auction where they auctioneer says, "Sold!" and you stand up and say, "I was sleeping. Give me one more minute."

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eBay sniping

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Mike <ipscone(a)msdsite.com> > >> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a >> minute or two >> > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. >> > >This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder. > >NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with >sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If >there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is >willing to bid. > >I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for >$300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he >said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He >paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to >pay. > >The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless >they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just >NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway. > Hi I'd once sniped a bid with a value of $145 for an item I wanted. Knowing the current going rate for the item, $120 was about the highest I'd seen. The winning bid, also a last minute bid, went for something over my highest. A couple of days latter, I got a note from the seller. The asked if I was still interested. They didn't specify a price so I told them that I thought a fair price would be 1/2 between the my high price and the next lowest below me( it was $90 ). They said that I should pay the full $145. I told them that that was a proxy bid that wouldn't have been exposed if the other bidder hadn't backed out and that if I'd won the bid at that price, I'd have honored it but since I didn't, I was not obligated to pay that amount and that it was inappropriate for them to demand that I did, considering that it was not a completed auction. They claimed that I was wrong and that I was obligated to pay my high bid. Anyway, later, I found that the same buyer had purchased a number of different items from this seller. What was strange was the variety of the types of items they bought. To be honest, it really looked like it was a shill bid. Now I tell sellers that I will only purchase through eBay and not after bidding when the other seller backs out. There is more to the story but this gives you the idea. Dwight

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Protected area? At 04:20 AM 4/25/03 +0100, you wrote: > > It's very professional looking. My compliments. > > >>http://www.lordandlady.net > >>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff > >Shame about the 'Protected area' > >(Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like >this mail me off list) > >Lee. > >________________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The >service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive >anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: >http://www.star.net.uk >________________________________________________________________________

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

I will let her know you said so At 11:07 PM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >Geoff, > >It's very professional looking. My compliments.

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ISA Expansion Box

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > They are a box with a passive ISA back plane and a pair of ISA cards > that are connected with a single round cable about as big around as > your thumb. The box itself is styled like an XT (down to the sloping > front). The original poster was describing an intended use for these to enable use of a speech-synthesis card on what I'm guessing is a more modern PC with a sound card, as a backup for when the sound card or its drivers fail. I guess what I'm wondering is, how is this supposed to work with shiny new PCs that have no ISA slots, and is that what the poster is really after? Probably completely off topic though. As long as I'm off the rails, some other ramblings: A blind former ex-cow-orker used to use Artic speech synthesizers to work her computers. I remember her having both an ISA card and an external box about the size of a paperback book (maybe a bit thinner and longer) which attached to the PC via a serial port, and later another smaller Artic external box (about half the size of the older one). These were something of a nuisance due to copy protection -- it wasn't enough to require the speech synthesizer hardware, the Artic software was keyed to the specific speech synthesizer. Later (I'm thinking 1997 or 1998) she switched to using a software package called JAWS from Henter-Joyce. This could either use the Artic synthesizer or the Windows audio drivers (she was running NT 4.0 on her notebook PC). She liked the voice of the Artic box (because she'd been using it for years and had got used to it), but rapidly got used to the software speech-synthesizer code because it meant one or two less things to have to carry around. JAWS was also copy protected, with a key diskette that allowed some small number of installations to hard disks -- you could also de-install and increment the counter on the key disk in order to move the installation, but of course if the hard disk got whacked then you might not have the opportunity to do this. -Frank McConnell

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> It's very professional looking. My compliments. >>http://www.lordandlady.net >>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff Shame about the 'Protected area' (Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like this mail me off list) Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

http://www.lordandlady.net it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff At 06:51 PM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >Geoff, > > > For small auction site operators like my wife > >So tell us how to find your wife's site, and perhaps some among us >might check it out. > > > > >At 02:08 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >>At 09:56 PM 4/23/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Mail List wrote: >>> >>>>That's right here in the next town over. If it's an open courtroom I could >>>>go over there and check it out. >>>> >>>>I don't know about eBay and patent infringement, but I think eBay >>>>has a monopoly on the online auction market for private individuals >>>>which might warrant anti-trust action. I don't think a private individual >>> >>> The fact that an entity may be the only viable player on a given >>> field doesn't "warrant anti-trust action." If eBay is actively doing >>> anything to hinder their competition, other than doing what they do >>> VERY well, and marketing it well, *that* might warrant action. >> >>They are, the state of Illinois? has a new law that was pushed through >>with the help of ebay requiring the operators of any Internet auction >>site to register with that state "if any potential sellers or buyers >>reside within the state" at a fee of $200. of course you also have to >>find an auctioneer to "sponsor" you and you have to take state approved >>courses to maintain the registration (auction calling, and the like) >>:( the state is getting ready to start filing civil lawsuits seeking >>damages of up to $10,000 and the shutting down of the offending sites if >>you don't comply. >> >> For small auction site operators like my wife (she hasn't made any $ >> from the thing yet and it's been running for > 6 months) that state's >> requirements are onerous.

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by MTPro＠aol.com

Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote: << I sell goods all the time on the austin.forsale newsgroup. As far as I'm concerned, eBay is an *asset* to that, not a detraction. eBay is the de facto Blue Book for used/surplus goods, allowing me to decide if my property is salable, whether it's worth more in cash than as a possession, and how to price it. It also shortstops lowballing by prospective customers. Naturally, it isn't the only resource I use, but it a very convenient and extremely well-organized asset for any seller, and for any buyer of either local or online goods. >> I think for most items, including collectible classic computers, this is absolutely true. I've said for many years, you can find ANYTHING on eBay if you look regularly, and for most things, most of the time, it's a deal. Things that have collectability you have to be more careful about in order to get the best price. That's really true of anything though, shop around a little, research before you buy. I think Michael Nadeau's book, "Collectible Microcomputers" is terrific and I highly recommend it to anyone here, but for pricing, I think the values are definitely on the low end of the spectrum. For instance a Heath H11 from 1977 is said to be valued at between $65 - $175. Do you know how fast I'd jump on the opportunity to buy one for under $200?! Even if just the cpu. Off the top of my head, an H11 in great shape with a couple manuals a few cards in it, operational, I'd say would easily get $600+ on eBay. Anything above that would approach excessive in my mind, but on average, eBay prices represent "real" market values to me. eBay has done a pretty good job over the years to improve the process and to be fair about charges, etc. I think it's just about one of THE best web creations of all time, seriously. Doc, you said it right, it's a fine tool and asset. Best, David David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

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Publishing old manuals and books on the web. Legal?

by swtpc6800＠attbi.com

It is easy to ask for a copyright release from the owner (if they are still in business.) I got permission from Motorola to uses some data sheets on my web site. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm I sent an email to the press contact in the semiconductor division. (See my request below.) I asked them to foward my request to the correct department. I was emailed a short form to fill out and then they gave me permission. I did the same for Byte magazine but received no response. I am going to put some Radio Electronics articles up without permission because Gernsback Publications went out of business last year. If I find out who owns the copyright I will ask for a release. Try to locate the owner and keep a record of your effort. Have contact information on your web site so any copyright owner can reach you. Heathkit is still around. www.heathkit.com Ask them for permission. I think Popular Electronics was acquired by Gernsback Publications. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley --------------------------------------------------- My original request to Motorola I have a non-profit web site that documents personal computers from the 1970s that were based on the Motorola 6800 family of microprocessors. ( www.swtpc.com/mholley ) I would like permission to post copies of out-of-print Motorola data sheets. These are useful for collectors and hobbyist who are restoring these 6800 based computers and games. An example is the datasheet for the MC6875 clock generator. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm Could you direct this email to the correct person that handles this type of release? ----------------------------------------------------

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ISA Expansion Box

by glennervin＠cableone.net

Hello Jeff, I saw your post on the IBM machine which used an ISA Expansion Box, and I am looking for such a box, or 2 or 3. Would you know where I could get my hands on some? The Blind (myself included) like using our synthetic speech cards along with the software synthetic speech that comes from the sound card. Usually the sound cards produce a more pleasant speech output, but if the soundcard stops working, we are screwed, so we would like to keep using the older speech cards (ISA). I have been doing some web searches without much luck. Thanks for any leads. "Live long and prosper", O. Glenn Ervin (Lenny) N0YJV Northeast Nebraska e-mail: GlennErvin(a)cableONE.net The above address can also be found on MSM. or my work e-mail: gErvin(a)ncbvi.state.ne.us

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Fw: [Suns-at-Home] [robc@solarflares.net: SPARCServer 2000, anyone want one?]

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

This might be interesting to someone. Replys to original author, please. Note: an L6-30R is a 250V 30A single-phase twist lock receptacal, ie U.S. dryer... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "der Mouse" <mouse> To: <port-sparc> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] [robc(a)solarflares.net: SPARCServer 2000, anyone want one?] > This came across suns@home. Anyone here interested? I know nothing > about it that's not in this message. > > > From: Jeff Wasilko <jeffw> > > To: suns-at-home(a)net-kitchen.com > > Message-ID: <20030327214108.GS24878(a)jane.smoe.org> > > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] [robc(a)solarflares.net: SPARCServer 2000, anyone want one?] > > > This is in Cambridge, MA. > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Rob Cambra <robc(a)solarflares.net> ----- > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:17:22 -0500 > > From: Rob Cambra <robc(a)solarflares.net> > > Subject: SPARCServer 2000, anyone want one? > > > > > > We have one of the machines that ran www.sun.com from about '94-'96, > > they gave it to us when we were redoing their site with our product a > > few years back. > > > > It's big. > > > > It needs 3-phase 220 --L6-30R on it, so you don't *need* to > > hardwire..heh..if that's a factor. > > > > It has (4) 50 or 60mhz SuperSPARC-(I or II?) processors and 640mb RAM. > > > > CD-Rom, DAT, various shoe-box diskpacks inside the case, and a bunch of > > differential disks in a shelf we never used. > > > > I have been tasked with fitting over 1500sq/ft (almost full) of computer > > room into about 600..so this thing has got to go. > > > > No one that works here wants it...and I feel sort of pained to have the > > liquidators literally shred it (that's what they say they do, just > > literally put into some wood-chipper for computers after separating the > > toxic stuff)...any interest? > > > > The only cost is safely removing it from our building. > > > > Feel free to pass this on to someone who might want this. > > > > -rob

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eBay being sued over patent infringement

by vcf＠siconic.com

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/5699838.htm -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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eBay sniping

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hi Mike, > What you are trying to do is have a completely new format for an auction. > Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such > "NORMAL" auction like this. Yahoo auctions, GSA auctions, and a local one ( that ceased operations ) called Bidzilla had the extending auctions format. > and the winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by others) Not necessarily so. An early bidder that enters a high enough proxy bid will still win. Sniping sometimes backfires on the snipers, if they miscalculate what it will take to win ( if it was something they really wanted ) and enter too low a sniping bid. At 12:54 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: > > At 18:23 24/04/2003, you wrote: > > > > > >>All this garbage about > >>extending auctions an extra minute, blah blah blah, is just a dumb idea. > > > > I dispute that - the "extension" idea is what happens in a "normal" > > auction. The auctioneer will take bids until all competing bidders back > > out, leaving the one winner. This, naturally, maximises the sale price > > (which is good for the seller & the auction house). > >Absolute nonsense! In a normal auction, there is no specified "end time." > These are two completely different formats. In a normal auction, >everyone shows up at the same time and bids. Bidding is only for a few >minutes. > >In an eBay auction (a completely different format) everyone has a very >long time to decide. > >If you had an extended time feature (or pathetic idea) no one would bid on >a 10 day auction until day 10. There would be no need to, unless you just >couldn't be around. > >What you are trying to do is have a completely new format for an auction. >Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such >"NORMAL" auction like this. > >The only reason people place early bids on eBay is because they are >thinking like this is a "NORMAL" auction, which it is NOT. This is like a >sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the >winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by >others).

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