- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mranalog＠attbi.com

Ethan wrote: > How does a resistive sheet computer work? Just a quick note for now. Resistive sheets belong to a category of analog computing called network analyzers. > In the same vein (pun intended)... how would fluidic computers > stack up? Digital? Analog? Mixed? Fluidics (or fluid logic) can have both analog and digital processes. You can perform boolean operations, but you also can have fluid amplifers. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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Heathkit EC-1

by mranalog＠attbi.com

The Design Fort DTP wrote: > I would be interested to learn more about the Heathkit EC-1 > analog computer. So far I only found pictures and specifications > on the net. Is there a website that actually explained how > this machine worked and/or what it could/can do. > Even more are there informations about "programs" that this > machine could run? Most computer applications are simulations of one kind or another, word processors, spreadsheets, drawing programs, even a desktop GUI. Analog computers are the masters of the art of simulation, but they are not used for mundane simulations like these. Analog Computers run mathematical simulation of physical systems. Everything from the decay of subatomic particles to the interaction of two colliding galaxies. Do you want to: * See the results of a chemical reaction? * Test the design of an automobile tire? * Study the effects of pollution on a fish population? * Model blood flow through an organ? * Understand the effects of lowering the interest rate? * Fine tune the design of the Space Shuttle main engine? * Control flooding on a major river? * Explore new types of music? All of these are physical systems governed by mathematical equations. Analog computers are PURELY parallel and can run programs slower than real time, real time or faster than real time. Simulations can be halted at any point and all aspects of the simulation can be examined. Changes can then be made and the simulation can then be continued from the point it was halted or restart from the beginning. So, analog computers can not only simulate a fixed systems, but can also test 'what if' cases very easily. Analog computers can be a hardwired special purpose type or flexible general purpose type. The EC-1 with only nine amplifiers can be limiting in the size of simulations it will handle. But analog computers don't have the compatibility and the connectivity problem of digital computers. Ten EC-1s could be connected together to form an EC-1 with 90 amplifiers. The only problem would be if more than 9 integrators were used then a slight modification would have to be made to each EC-1 using an integrator to allow one EC-1 to control the mode. An EC-1 can also be directly connected to another brand of analog computer. No problem other than the mode control of integrators. The lure of the EC-1 is that it a inexpensive and compact example of vacuum tube computing. The world is analog. The human mind is analog. Digital computers make a nice hobby, and work just fine for tasks composed of sequential steps, but they are just an over hyped fad. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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H89 disk formats?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com> > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> Hi >> I've been looking at a pile of disk that I'd >> collected over a period of years. Most are the >> typical 10 hard sectored disk, formatted in the >> same way as HDOS uses. In the pile, I found a >> few that are marked "format 96". These have the >> 10 plus index holes but they don't seem to be >> the normal format. When I attempt to read them, >> I can only read the first sector. All of the rest >> don't seem to read. Does anyone know what this >> was all about? >> Dwight > >Dwight, I would assume that they were done on a 96tpi >floppy drive. > - don > Hi Don That is what I figured. I've been working on my serial bootstrap and transfer program. I'm able to read and write an image to the H89 but I'm still having issues getting the formatting to work. I copied some old code that I have in the Fig-Forth that I did but it is still missing something. I even went back and ran the Forth FORMAT and it works fine. I suspect there is some other initialization that I'm missing. I looked at one stretch of code and there is an operation that should always hang. Can't figure why the original works. It may be something connected to the timer interrupt that isn't normally there. I wish I'd made good notes when I did the original but this was one of my first computer projects, after working on my Poly88, and brain rot is now catching up with me. Once I get the format working, I can work on cleaning up the user interface. Looking at the 96 stuff is a little later on the list. Dwight

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More items from the 'Garage'...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Oops! Got to look at where I send things. Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi Jim > I would be interested in the H11 system, H-10 punch >and especially the Poly 8813. I was at the VCF when the >smoke came out. I loved it. Sellam had put my talk >at an overlapped time with your event so I only saw >the first part. I have a Poly 88 but have been looking >for a 8813 for some time. >Dwight > ---snip---

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More items from the 'Garage'...

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Jim I would be interested in the H11 system, H-10 punch and especially the Poly 8813. I was at the VCF when the smoke came out. I loved it. Sellam had put my talk at an overlapped time with your event so I only saw the first part. I have a Poly 88 but have been looking for a 8813 for some time. Dwight >From: "James Willing" <jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com> > >Finding myself (yet again) in the unenviable position of needing to >free up both some space and a fair chunk of money in a (very) short >amount of time, it is time to release a few more items from the 'Garage' >to new homes... > >As I'm still having problems with getting (large) things shipped out, I'll >be making one run out to the 'big city' to seek a shipping place for >packing and shipping, so everything will go out at once... > >Items up for purchase: > >-------------------------------------- > >Heath H-11a / H27 system > H-11a Chassis > M7270 LSI 11/2 CPU > WHA-11-16 16x16 RAM (2) > H11-5 Serial card (2) > WH11-5 Serial card > H11-2 Parallel card > H27 Floppy Interface > H27 Dual Drive unit > >Untested, no docs or disk based software. >Includes Heath paper tape based software. > >$600 plus shipping > >-------------------------------------- > >Heath H-10 paper tape reader/punch > includes manual > >Runs but needs cleaning/alignment > >$150 plus shipping >(or $100 if purchased w/H-11 system) > >-------------------------------------- > >Heath H-8 / H17 / H37 system > H8 Chassis > HA8-6 Z80 CPU > WH8-64 RAM > Multi Port Serial Card > H17 Floppy Interface > H37 Floppy Interface > H17 Dual Drive unit > H37 Dual Drive unit > >Runs, but has issues with formatting floppys... >Includes hardware manual set, some software. > >$400 plus shipping > >-------------------------------------- > >Heath 8 inch drive chassis > >Not real sure of the ID on this one, but someone has >suggested that it is H207-40 > >Drive chassis with one half-height 8 inch floppy drive >installed. Blank panel suggests room for a second drive. > >Untested... no docs. > >$40 plus shipping > >-------------------------------------- > >Polymorphics Systems 8813/2 System > >Unopened, in original factory packaging! > >This unit is a twin of the 'amazing smoking computer' >seen in the 'This Old Computer' presentation at VCF IV > >Dual drive, 64k RAM, original manuals and software. > System 88 User's Guide > System 88 Software > Wordmaster > >This unit has not been out of it's box since it left the >Polymorphics factory probably 20 years ago! > >Untested... (at least by me) obviously... > >$300 plus shipping > >-------------------------------------- > >All items are first come, first served... >If you are in the area (SE Kansas) and can pick up then >all the better. > >-jim >--- >jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com >The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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FA: HP computer manuals; Pascal, Fortran, IPC

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I've just finished listing a bunch of HP computer and software manuals on E-bay. A lot of the manuals cover HP-UX and are likly to be applicable to the IPC. Don't just go by the titles, look through the HP-UX manuals to see which one you think are applicable. Also listed HP pascal and Fortran manuals and a DATA I?O Setsite module for the Unisite programmer. see <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj> if interested. Joe

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More items from the 'Garage'...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Finding myself (yet again) in the unenviable position of needing to free up both some space and a fair chunk of money in a (very) short amount of time, it is time to release a few more items from the 'Garage' to new homes... As I'm still having problems with getting (large) things shipped out, I'll be making one run out to the 'big city' to seek a shipping place for packing and shipping, so everything will go out at once... Items up for purchase: -------------------------------------- Heath H-11a / H27 system H-11a Chassis M7270 LSI 11/2 CPU WHA-11-16 16x16 RAM (2) H11-5 Serial card (2) WH11-5 Serial card H11-2 Parallel card H27 Floppy Interface H27 Dual Drive unit Untested, no docs or disk based software. Includes Heath paper tape based software. $600 plus shipping -------------------------------------- Heath H-10 paper tape reader/punch includes manual Runs but needs cleaning/alignment $150 plus shipping (or $100 if purchased w/H-11 system) -------------------------------------- Heath H-8 / H17 / H37 system H8 Chassis HA8-6 Z80 CPU WH8-64 RAM Multi Port Serial Card H17 Floppy Interface H37 Floppy Interface H17 Dual Drive unit H37 Dual Drive unit Runs, but has issues with formatting floppys... Includes hardware manual set, some software. $400 plus shipping -------------------------------------- Heath 8 inch drive chassis Not real sure of the ID on this one, but someone has suggested that it is H207-40 Drive chassis with one half-height 8 inch floppy drive installed. Blank panel suggests room for a second drive. Untested... no docs. $40 plus shipping -------------------------------------- Polymorphics Systems 8813/2 System Unopened, in original factory packaging! This unit is a twin of the 'amazing smoking computer' seen in the 'This Old Computer' presentation at VCF IV Dual drive, 64k RAM, original manuals and software. System 88 User's Guide System 88 Software Wordmaster This unit has not been out of it's box since it left the Polymorphics factory probably 20 years ago! Untested... (at least by me) obviously... $300 plus shipping -------------------------------------- All items are first come, first served... If you are in the area (SE Kansas) and can pick up then all the better. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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VAXStation 4000/90 Manuals

by david＠bhaermandegruyl.org

I was looking around on the internet (mainly decdocs.org and linked sites, as well as google) and I was unable to locate scanned manuals for the Vaxstation 4000/90. If anyone has a link to such documents, I would appreciate it. My problems revolve around a newly aquired machine which does not appear to be giving me console access over the MMJ port in the rear of the box. As I said, this is a newly aquired machine, and I have not really taken it apart yet, but the manuals would be helpful in any event. David -- David de Gruyl <david(a)bhaermandegruyl.org>

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large disk platters?

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

Hi Jules, To my knowledge the largest hard drive platter was 24". IBM the inventor may have produced an experimental platter of ~1 m as a demonstration project to management and maybe these platters were 'sold' or distributed to IBM employees? Murray-- cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:55:18 +0000 (GMT) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?= > <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: large disk platters? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > I just randomly remembered the other day that when I was at uni one of the > computing lecturers one day rolled out an enormous disk platter to demonstrate > how hard disk technology has changed over the years. > > The platter was pretty huge - around 1m in diameter. Any ideas as to what > system it may have come from? > > Im just curious really - I've not seen much really old hardware up close, but > the impression I got from the pictures I've seen is that drive technology > didn't typically use platters *that* large. > > (and hell, this beats talking about the war :) > > cheers > > Jules > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > End of cctalk Digest

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wanted: documentation for IBM 3164 terminal

by du651＠freenet.carleton.ca

I want these IBM publications (especially A18-2317): GA18-2317 3164 ASCII Color Display Station Description GA18-2319 3164 ASCII Color Display Station Setup Instructions SY18-2118 3164 ASCII Color Display Station Repair Center Maintenance Info SY18-2120 3164 ASCII Display Station Repair Center Maintenance Information GA18-2563 ALA User's Guide for 3163/3164 GA18-2720 3163 and 3164 Emulating IBM Terminals and DEC VT100/52 Terminals GA18-2736 3163/3164 Enhanced Emulation of TeleVideo 950 I have A18-2318 so don't want more of that, but if you know of other 3164 publications that I don't know about, do please tell. I'm in Ottawa ON Canada. As far as I know, international shipping into Canada is not practical, so I'm interested in antiques that happen to be already in Canada.

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DATA I/O SetSite module

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Anybody know where I can find a PDF copy of the manual for this? Joe

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DOS 1.10 goes for over $100

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Check it out at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2724791904

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Great Finds Todayin Houston

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I picked up the following items today while searching the thrifts: SGI Indigo2 IMPACT cpu only no KB or monitor with it. HP Visualize C180 cpu only no KB or monitor. HP apollo Series 700 product # A2286A. TRS-80 micro computer system Catalog # 26-01006-G. No monitor or power supply with it. Apple IIc Plus cpu only. Tandy 1000SL cpu only. NBA JAM cassette/cartridge for the Super Famicom. Panasonic R E A L FZ-10 3DO console.

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TRS80 Model 100 technical questions

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

Hi all, I got a TRS80 Model 100 in and need some technical info: -what is the polarity of the DC-input on the socket? -Is a filtered 6 volt DC voltage ok or has it to be stabilised? -I found lots of recources on http://www.club100.org/ even a technical manual, this however does not adress this DC input. Thanks, Frank

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Fw: Germany: Free RS/6000 !

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Saw this on spamnet news... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ebinger" <Frank-Ebinger> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: Germany: Free RS/6000 ! > Hello! > > Is anybody near Karlsruhe interested in RS/6000 > Model 320, 340, 360 and some other Models? > > Look at the Newsgroup ka.markt.computer > The University in Karlsruhe offers RS/6000 ! > > > Best regards > > Frank Ebinger

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Pens for TRS-80 PC-2 plotter - found.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 1, 23:13, Philip Pemberton wrote: > If someone wants to send me one or two plotters with bad drive gears, I'd be > willing to have a go at repairing them. My technique involves repairing the > damage with Araldite (epoxy adhesive - sets rock hard) and then putting a > small (#10) staple in across the damaged section. Er, the gear we've been discussing is very small -- about 3mm overall diameter, roughly the size of the winder knob on a small ladies wristwatch! MUCH smaller than a small staple, in fact the bore's hardly bigger than the staple diameter :-) Anyway, Araldite doesn't stick to waxy plastic like these gears :-( > I'd be tempted to take a few 10ths of a mm off the inside of the hole > for the shaft that the gear fits onto. If they're cracking, the shaft is > probably too big for the hole. Enlarging the hole by 0.1mm would make it spin on the shaft :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Heathkit EC-1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 1, 10:14, steve wrote: > there is tons of stuff on the net, try > > http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog/ > > for good introductions, all analog computer are > basically the same, the biggest difference is how many > op amps they have, and that limits what you can do. While that's true for most modern *electronic* analog(ue) computers, it's not a good generalisation. What about things like Vannevar Bush's differential analysers, gun directors, Norden bombsights, various electro-pneumatic or hydraulic computers, or the G-star analog "computer" used by CalTech at Mt Palomar? I seem to be in pedant mode today (as Ethan's discovered, possibly) and I couldn't resist pointing out some alternatives :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Heathkit EC-1

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > >--- "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> wrote: >> Actually all analog computers are _not_ the same. >> >> For example: Resistive Sheet computers are very different.... > >I have an idea of how an analog (electronic) computer would work >(compared to a mechanical analog computer - that's voodoo with cams)... > >How does a resistive sheet computer work? > >In the same vein (pun intended)... how would fluidic computers >stack up? Digital? Analog? Mixed? > >-ethan >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > Hi Another type of analog computers include mechanical ones. During WW2, they used really complicated mechanical fire control computer. One would input range, bearing, projectile and charge. It would also take into account ship roll, speed and coriolis effect for that target. Gear ratios would make coefficient multipliers. They had variable speed transmissions to make multipliers. Differentials made adders and subtracters. Dwight

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VT420 Terminal for sale

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

Digital VT420 (+ keyboard) for sale For pick-up in San Francisco, California, USA, only. 12 inch amber monitor, tested, no burn-in, a little dusty. Setup screen says: VT420 AV 1.4, Copyright 1989 DEC. If interested please make an offer. -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com

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DATA I/O SetSite module

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Anybody know where I can find a PDF copy of the manual for this? Joe

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Heathkit EC-1

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "The Design Fort DTP" <design.fort(a)ns.sympatico.ca> > >I would be interested to learn more about the Heathkit EC-1 analog computer. >So far I only found pictures and specifications on the net. Is there a >website that actually explained how this machine worked and/or what it >could/can do. >Even more are there informations about "programs" that this machine could >run? > >I have to admit that the "analog" times of the computer age was a bit before >my time, but I really would love to learn more about it. > >Herbert > Hi The Heath kit has 9 op-amps that are connected such that they are all inverting. It is intended to primarily model things that are linear systems but one can add such things as diodes to make limiting functions. They do this for one of the example programs to put a bouncing ball on an oscilloscope screen. Other nonlinear functions can be added. Although, one can model things with differentiators, these are generally not very stable and tend to require more dynamic range than integrators. Most linear systems can be described as a differential equation. If one integrates the equation a number of times, one can remove all the differentials and be left with a number of integrals and initial constants. These can be quickly scaled and represented by resistors and capacitors. This modeling method can solve quite complex problems. Things like aircraft controls to auto suspension systems can be modeled this way. I had a friend describe how it was used to make rail cars that wouldn't oscillate at the same frequency as the spacing of the track joints, over normal speed ranges. One can imagine what would happen to the load and car if it were increasing the oscillation on each track joint it crossed. I currently have a EC-1 but a while back, I needed to solve a control system problem with an oven. There were several factors that effected the temperature and I needed to make sure that the system could handle these changes without oscillating or over shooting. I found an analog modeling program called TutSim that I used to understand the system. This is just like using a real analog computer except it used discrete processing to simulate the analog world. There are potential problems doing this and one needs to understand the possible issues. If you have a spice program, you can build up the equivalent of a EC-1 in software and see how it works. It wasn't until the late 80's someplace that digital computers became fast enough to replace the simpler op-amps for solving these kinds of problems. In many cases, the analog machines still have better speed/accuracy tradeoffs. My biggest complaint with the EC-1 is that they needed more binding post for the common ( 0 Volts ). Dwight

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TRS80 Model 100 technical questions

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Jason J. Gullickson may have mentioned these words: >Club100 is the best source I've found, however I run my M100 using a >cheapo brick from Radio Shack that lets you select from like four or >five different voltages, so I can't imagine that it needs anything fancy >(although the battery life is pretty amazing without an adapter). Just had a couple messages from Rick Hanson this morning... I've known him (thru email) for nearly a decade, and it's damn hard to find a) a nicer guy in general, or b) anyone more knowlegable about the inner tickings of Kyocera-OEMed laptops (including the Tandy Models 100/102/200; NEC 8201a; Olivetti M10 & friends...) <MODE=ShamelessPlug> I also have a mailing list that's available WRT these machines, you can sub by emailing m100-subscribe(a)list.30below.com -- there's almost 200 people on the mailing list, so there's quite a following there... </MODE> HTH, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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Fwd: Stuff available for pickup in Stockholm, Sweden

by jss＠subatomix.com

Reply to the original author, not me. ----- Forwarded message from Joacim Melin <listor(a)melin.org> ----- Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:18:23 +0200 From: "Joacim Melin" <listor(a)melin.org> To: <cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Stuff available for pickup in Stockholm, Sweden Hi all, time to get rid of some oldies. This is available for collection in Stockholm, Sweden, for free : 1. Apple II Euro+. Works great but there is no accessories with it. It runs on 220v at the moment. 2. Deskstation Raptor3. Works great. Comes with : Full Tower Case Alpha 21164 UniFlex Motherboard 4 PCI / 3 ISA slots Dual SCSI II ports 2 serial / 1 parallel ports 1.44 Floppy Drive Dual SCSI II Interfaces Please let me know if you are interested in any of this, otherwise it will go to some landfill instead. Joacim ---------------------------------------- who > joacim melin how > joacim(a)melin.org where > http://z80.org ---------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jeffrey Sharp

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Magtapes - 9 Track Available

by jhfinepw4z＠compsys.to

Are you interested in magtape just for the media [has old National Library of Medicine stuff? (this would be at least another box) ================================================== I have been advised that the above tapes are available, probably about at least a dozen tapes for either the contents or for scratch. The cost will be for shipping. They are in New York City, but may need to first be sent to Buffalo. If they are of interest, please advise and I will try and find out what arrangements can be made. I might also be looking to have 3 or 4 magtapes copied to a TK50 (or other suitable media) and might need some help in this regard. They have RT-11 file labels if that is helpful information, so probably RT-11 would be needed to make to copies. Eventually, I would like to copy the contents to a CD. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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OT: Dot Matrix Printer Symphony

by rdd＠rddavis.org

While looking for something else, I accidentally happened upon a web site pertaining to a "Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers." The URL is: http://theuser.silophone.net//dotmatrix/en/intro.html -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.

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Vintage Computer Message Board

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

Stan Sieler wrote: > Re: > > - the ability to support off topic conversations along with on- > > topic ones without burdening those not interested in one or the other > > - the ability to easily search archives for topics of interest > > - the ability to keep ?threads? of discussion together > > - the ability to categorize these threads for easier research > > That's all easily achievable with the current CC-TALK/CC-TECH. > ...just use a small prefix (from a small set of group endorsed ones). > > E.g.: OT: iraqi playing cards > where "OT" means "Off Topic" > I agree that we could implement that. It becomes a little more complicated when you try to generate the "group endorsed" prefixes and, once you do, keeping those in the public eye so folks use them. I like the idea, though, and think it would make the list easier to use. We already have OT, FS and FA of course. What other prefixes could we have? HW and SW? OS? PRG? HLP? > The inherent problem with the current vcforum web interface is the large > amount of extra work that people need to do to use it. With CC-TALK, all the > current posts are visible (one per line) on my screen. With vcforum, I > have to scroll the index web page to see what sections have new posts. > For each section with a new post, I have to click on it (deciding whether or > not to click-into-new-window or click-into-same-window), just to see the list > of topics in that section. Then I have to potentially scroll (not now, but > later, as more topics are posted) to see which topics have new posts ... > the end result it that it takes me 10 to 20 times longer to "catch up" as > it does with CC-TALK/CC-TECH. I don't think it's all that difficult to navigate although it is different from an email interface and there are disadvantages inherent in the greater flexibility. Once you get used to it, however, I think it takes just as much time to remain "caught up." On the other hand, you can eliminate topics you don't care about a lot easier by simply tracking messages in the forums you are most interested in. If you have no interest in Apple or Unix or the Off Topic discussions you need never visit those boards. CCTalk will always send you those messages. The thing that I like the most about a threaded message board is that you can view the entire discussion without any heavy manipulations. If I want to do that with the mail list I have to either visit the archives or use my mail program to sort on message header (assuming that hasn't been changed mid-thread). As of right now I have nearly 29,000 CCTalk messages in my outlook CCTalk folder. Even with a P4 2.4 and 1GB of RAM resorting that list is slow. > Could this be fixed? Yes. There could be an alternate presentation page which > lists all new posts, one per line ... sortable by topic or date- posted. > I should be able to quickly mark any I wish as "ignore" (aka "delete" in a > mail reader). However, most web based forums use the server to accomplish > updates, as opposed to doing more work just behind the glass (e.g., java > to collect the updates/markings/wishes and then upload the set to the server). > That's easier, of course, but clearly makes for more work and/or slower > response for the user. The "new posts since my last visit" link is my favorite on bigger boards. I hope that this new forum gets the kind of reception that makes that feature useful. If enough people sign up and start using the forums they'll hit "critical mass" which will make them that much more useful. > One person's comments, anyway :) Thanks, Stan! I do appreciate the feedback! Erik

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Dot Matrix Printer Symphony

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

Wow, Either 1. These guys need serious help. 2. These guys are brilliant. They recieved arts funding for the project... (Why couldn't I have thought of that) Doug Jackson Manager - Managed Services (ACT) Citadel Securix Pty Ltd Level 1, 10 Moore St Canberra ACT 2601 Ph: (612) 6290 9011 Fx: (612) 6262 6152 Mob: 0414 986 878 Web: www.citadel.com.au Melbourne - Sydney - Canberra - Brisbane - Hong Kong - Atlanta Any pricing or time figures contained within this email are indicative only, and have been provided for planning purposes only. Please request a quotation from your sales representative prior to undertaking any work. -----Original Message----- From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:35 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Dot Matrix Printer Symphony While looking for something else, I accidentally happened upon a web site pertaining to a "Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers." The URL is: http://theuser.silophone.net//dotmatrix/en/intro.html -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

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Cromemcos may be available in Michigan (Roger)

by ejchapel＠attbi.com

>At 12:00 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org, your nimble fingers typed: >Re: Cromemcos may be available in Michigan >I'm not big into Cromemcos... but I'm relatively close (3 hours drive) and >may be able to snag these if someone(s) are interested... I am way out here in Washington state. A long way from Michigan. You can unload a C-10 here and I'm good for the cost plus. Also I have been looking for a C-10 monitor pedestal if you see one. Ed Chapel Vancouver, WA

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Auction fraud was the No. 1 Internet-related complaint recorded by the FTC last year.

by claudew＠videotron.ca

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030430/ap_on_hi_te/inte… And thats only the "obvious" scams....think of all the "schilling" and other crap going on....Gave up on all this long time ago...for selling or buying... Later Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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Misc. Stuff Available

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 30, 22:03, Davison, Lee wrote: > According to the help file the DOS software on the Actel site is for the > Activator, not the Activator 2. > > It can be downloaded from here .. > > http://www.actel.com/products/tools/activator/index.html Thanks, Lee! Either I never found that, or I thought it was just for the Activator 2 (since that's what it implies). Anyway, I never downloaded it because it'll take a while at 64kb/s! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Apple II APL Board?

by marvin＠rain.org

I picked up a board for the Apple II this last weekend, and am curious if anyone knows anything about it? The silkscreening on the boards is "APL BOARD", and besides an EPROM (Fairchild M88518H?) with "APL" stamped on it, it has what appears to be a centronics printer cabled attached.

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Misc. Stuff Available

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Activator, not the Activator 2. That should read "Activator and the Activator 2." Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Misc. Stuff Available

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Hmm... That reminds me to ask: Does anyone have programming software for an Actel Activator (the original one, not an Activator 2)? I've got some devices, the Activator, and the I/O card for a PC, but have never found the software :-( According to the help file the DOS software on the Actel site is for the Activator, not the Activator 2. It can be downloaded from here .. http://www.actel.com/products/tools/activator/index.html Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Misc. Stuff Available

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 26, 8:08, Norm & Beth Anheier wrote: > With all this talk of sniping and auctions, I have some more eclectic stuff > available for best offer or trade. I prefer Paypal. > > item 1. > I have a bunch (30?) of unused ACTEL PLCC FPGA ICs: > > A1010A-PLC86C > A1020A-PLC86C > A1280A-PQ160C > > I have the data book on these too. Hmm... That reminds me to ask: Does anyone have programming software for an Actel Activator (the original one, not an Activator 2)? I've got some devices, the Activator, and the I/O card for a PC, but have never found the software :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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eBay sniping

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I have no problem with sniping, other than that I can't always be around at the last minute. The only time I didn't like being sniped was the first item I lost to this method. Once I understood what was going on, I couldn't understand why bidders would make incremental bids. I usually will post a lower bid, early on. This way, other savy bidders will check what I've previously bid on items and they will either back out or, in those cases that they just have to have an item, they will out bid me. I think it tends to even out the play field. I always look to see what other bidders have been doing. I wouldn't mind having a combination of open and sealed bits. I could then snipe without having to wait till the last minute. Dwight >From: "J.C.Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> > >Why sniping is good: > > Many people get upset about having auctions sniped. All this garbage about >extending auctions an extra minute, blah blah blah, is just a dumb idea. >The reason I regularly snipe is purely psychological: If you enter a bid >early on in an item, you're expressing an interest. This likely drives the >price up, since *most* people seem unwilling to set hard prices and stick to >them. > > My procedure it to set the price when I notice the item, basically, what's >worth to me. I then track the item, and don't bother bidding if it goes >over my limit. However, if the closing time comes around, and it's still >below my limit, I want until about 3 seconds before close, and submit. > > If you're not fast enough, or haven't set a higher price, you lose. I have >no moral quandries about this. There is nothing that I have, do, or know >that makes me a better bidder than anyone else. Simply the ability to stick >to my price, and not show early interest, driving prices up unnecessarily. > > And as for the "no interest" technique, no one can gripe about that. I've >seen plenty of buyers at junk stores, hamfests, auctions, etc, that >desparately want an item, but make it seem like "eh, whatever". Why? >Because they *know* if you say "Damn, this is the coolest widget ever, one >of only 5 ever made, I *have* to have it!" they're quite likely to clue the >seller in, or in any case, drive the price up. > > Buy low, sell high. To do otherwise is a Enron-esque business model, and >just plain nuts. > > --John

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Tektronix 4010 graphics terminal

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

I got my Tek 4010 powered up and running. See the link in my sig for some pics and more info. -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

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OT: iMac

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I was helping my Dad put some things to the local Goodwill today (good >source of Monitors!) and one of the things there was an iMac for $200. >I played around with it for a couple of minutes because it was displaying >all of it's dialogs in french. This leads to two questions: > > 1./ is there a buried internationalizing menu somewhere, > IE, could it be switched over to english? If it was OS X, then maybe (I know you can install other languages, I'm just not sure if you can switch between them once they are installed), but if it was previous to OS X, then no, not to the degree that you were seeing. Rather it must have had a French version of the OS installed. If you decide to buy it, let me know, I can get you a US-English copy of whatever OS version was installed. > 2./ Anybody make PC drivers for the great USB keyboard and mouse? My iMac USB keyboard and mouse worked on Win2k by just plugging them in. They also worked on my PlayStation 2 (well, at least the keyboard did, I don't remember if I plugged the mouse in to it or not). Of course, I lost the right click ability in Windows while using my iMac puck mouse, but at least the mouse (and keyboard) worked without additional drivers. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Yet some more

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, Give me a couple of Mocha-chino's and I get all crazy. Okay here's another group of stuff. Books at $2.00 each Mastering Machine Code on your ZX Spectrum - Baker - 1983 MS-DOS/GW Basic reference manual for the Tandy 3000 Part #25-4103 Apple Numerics Manual - 1988 Assorted stuff priced accordingly. PC Sentry - Diagnostic ISA card and manual from TriniTech Inc. $5.00 Beagle Bros Peeks, Pokes and Pointers Poster for Apple II $1.00 Microsoft Developer Network Subscription from 1996 & some 1997 (30+ CD's NT workstation, NT server, Operating systems, developer info. I don't feel like listing all that's in it)(Naturally licensing is your responsibility) $15.00 PCI bus isolation and test card from AZ-COM (allows you to isolate a PCI card under test from the system) $5.00 Same as always. Just let me know what you want. Thanks Rob Robert Borsuk - rborsuk(a)colourfull.com President Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

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Blow or Suck - Which is Best?

by charlesleecourtney＠yahoo.com

I need to remove several years of accumulated dust and debris from the inside of an HP3000 Series 40. I will remove the boards and vacuum the inside of the cabinet (size of a washing machine), but was wondering what is the best way to remove dust and dirt from the PC cards in a way that will not damage them - mechanically or electrically. My default would be to clean with a shop vacuum, but I was wondering if that might cause static damage to the components on the board? Would a high pressure air compressor be a better choice? Thanks, Lee Courtney The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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replacement for TIL311 display

by rgill＠innocor.com

Hello; I just noticed your e-mail on the web. I wanted to inform you that Innocor manufactures a direct, drop-in replacement for the TIL311 (INL0397-1) featuring less power, brighter LEDs, lower cost and higher reliability. Pls find the link to our datasheet. If you have any requirements, pls let me know. Regards; Randy http://www.innocor.com/documents/inl0397_v2_iss2.pdf ******************************************* Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:00:23 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com <mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com>> Subject: Re: substitute for TI TIL306/307 Display? Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> At 06:01 PM 1/1/03 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Joe wrote: >> At 10:51 PM 12/31/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Joe wrote: >> > >> > > Does anyone know of another display that can be substituted for the >> > > TIL 306/307? Here is a data sheet for the 306/307 in case you have a >> > > question about it, <www.alltronics.com/download/TIL306.pdf>. >> > >> > I don't know of an exact replacement offhand, but I thought these were >> > still in production? >> >> Are they? I think mine are about 25 years old. FWIW I went looking for >> some at a large local surplus store and found one that I think is >> prototype. It's built out of clear material instead of red and is marked >> TIXL306 and is date coded 7204 (almost 31 years old!). I went through >> several boxs and THOUSANDs of displays and only found one standard 306 >> and the one prototype. >> >> > How many of these displays are you looking for? I believe I still have >> > a few in my parts bin... >> >> In addition to the one that I found in the store I need three of them. >> Mine were in sockets and the dissimilar metal corrosion has eaten off at >> least one leg off of each of mine. > >Oops, I have TIL311s, not the 306. I was thinking that the 311s were still >in production. I guess the 311 with a built-in BCD controller must still >be useful in current products. The 306/307s also have built in BCD decoders. I've been trying to find a data sheet on the 311 so that I can see what the difference is between it and the 306/307. ********************

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phones and Dictaphone

by c.morris＠townsqr.com

It was a very popular song around 1981. Tommy Tutone's biggest hit, 867-5309 (Jenny). She was the young lady whose number was written ..."on the wall, For a good time, call..." > There was an 867-5309, which matches the name of a song that was popular > some years ago. > reported occasional calls from strangers asking for Jenny (who, I guess, was > a character in the song). > Jeffrey Sharp I've never seen a computer made by them either. Only thing I know is a bad joke: Doctor 1: "Can I borrow your Dictaphone?" Doctor 2: "No, just dial with your finger like everyone else" 8^P -Charles > Speaking of cleaning out the closets. I was helping clean out some stuff from the estate of a deceased writer of computer and electronics books and found a work book for a CPM course that Dictaphone taught. I didn't know that Dictaphone even made CPM computers. This is a thin book and it's pretty elementary but it might be of interst to someone that has a Dictaphone machine or is a CPM collector. > Joe

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D/A Chips

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

These chips interesting to anyone? 10pc LOT RARE PMI D/A CONVERTER ic's DAC88EX http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2525988961 No Affiliation.

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Toshiba Memo Note?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Hi, anyone have info on an early 1980s gadget called the Toshiba Memo Note? It was called the LC-1018MN in Japan. The only data I've found so far is from the site www.calculators.de, and I found some obscure info about its use as a crypto platform. But I want more! Thanks all, Evan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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H89 disk formats?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I've been looking at a pile of disk that I'd collected over a period of years. Most are the typical 10 hard sectored disk, formatted in the same way as HDOS uses. In the pile, I found a few that are marked "format 96". These have the 10 plus index holes but they don't seem to be the normal format. When I attempt to read them, I can only read the first sector. All of the rest don't seem to read. Does anyone know what this was all about? Dwight

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by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Here's some Next Stations some of you might be interested in. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2725937944&category=1247 No Afffiliation.

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H89 disk formats?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe This would explain why I can't read other tracks but doesn't explain why I can only read the first sector of track 0. When I get a chance, I'll put a scope to the signals to see if it also has some changes in sector length or something. The 96 does match to the 80 track drives as 96 tpi. This does make sense. I don't really know if it actually read the first sector completely correct though. It may have read the data and then failed the checksum, if the sector data was twice as long, it would still read the first 256 bytes correctly. Putting one scope channel on the sync output and the other on the data should make it clearer what they are. Having double length sectors would make sense with twice the tracks. This would require less modifications to HDOS in things like directories. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Just as a guess I'd say that they're 96 TPI 80 track disks instead of 40 track disks. I don't know but I'm guessing that the HK normally used 40 track disks but that those disks came from someone had a mod to use 80 track disks. That was pretty common on a lot of the early computers. I did that to my Sanyo and I had a Kaypro that had the Advent Turbo ROM and 80 track drives installed. > > Joe > >At 04:51 PM 4/29/03 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi >> I've been looking at a pile of disk that I'd >>collected over a period of years. Most are the >>typical 10 hard sectored disk, formatted in the >>same way as HDOS uses. In the pile, I found a >>few that are marked "format 96". These have the >>10 plus index holes but they don't seem to be >>the normal format. When I attempt to read them, >>I can only read the first sector. All of the rest >>don't seem to read. Does anyone know what this >>was all about? >>Dwight

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256x4 80NS or faster

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

anyone have any of these floating around? I can't believe I gave 'em all away and now I need to populate a laserjet IIID memory board :(

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FS/FT Items

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I'm looking for either QBUS parts, or $5 + shipping for each of the following.. Trying to clean out my room before I have to move in a few months. - SparcStation 20, 32MB ram, 1x50MHz proc, floppy, 2GB HDD. I have 2 of these to get rid of. - Macintosh IIfx with a pair of 16 channel A/D cards, and some sort of interface software on the drive. It was originally a part of a NMR system, and still has the software on it. Unfortunately, they decided to crush the instrumentation that hooked up to the I/O cards to do the NMR stuff. Has 8MB ram and (I think) a 120MB hdd. - Macintosh Classic II. 80MB HDD, not sure on amount of ram. - Macintosh Plus 1MB - Macintosh Quadra 700, 16MB ram, 230MB HDD. - Mac-plus style keyboards and mice (4pin RJ11 keyboard, DE9 mouse) - PS/2 Model 70, with 6MB ram and an 80MB hard drive. I have at least two to get rid of, but need to find where I stuffed the ram first... - 2 Full-height 50pin centronics SCSI enclosures - HP 9000 model 715/50, I think it has 32MB ram. - IBM RS/6000 7011 Model 220 with 32MB ram, 400MB+ HDD, 2.88MB FDD, Gt1x framebuffer Now, what I'm looking for in trade: + Small-ish (can be lifted by 2 people) PERTEC or SCSI 9 track tape drive, that is manual/autoloading. I don't really want one that's slot load, I rather be able to see it spinning (and possibly manually load it). I use to have one, but it died, and I'd like to get a 'new' one. This would be worth a few things from the above, and I'd probably be willing to pay some money for it. + QBUS PERTEC card. + QBUS RAM card for a PDP-11/23, 128kW or better. + RLV12 + QBUS ethernet card that works with PDP-11 OS's. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

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I live in NYC and have no space for my old Mac... (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

See below. Reply to original sender. Reply-to: SYoshioka7(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:48:24 -0400 From: SYoshioka7(a)aol.com To: chrisa(a)harvestworks.org, pencilbox(a)pencilbox.org, bakermusic(a)mindspring.com, donations(a)worldcomputerexchange.org, donate(a)vintage.org Subject: I live in NYC and have no space for my old Mac... Hi, My name is Stacy Yoshioka and I have a very old Mac computer, monitor and printer that I no longer have space for. I have purchased a PC laptop about a year ago and since I live in a cramped NYC apartment I cannot store it any longer and have finally transfered all of the old info to a PC disk. Anyway, it is a Performa 6360 and the printer is a Style Writer II. The entire system still works and I have the manuals and backup software. I also installed about 100 mb of extra memory when I got it. If any of your organizations could use this machine please let me know. I saved so much money to buy it when I was in college that I can't see just throwing it away. I do not have a car in the city so if any of your organizations pick them up or are easy to get to please let me know as well. Thank You, Stacy Yoshioka Stacy Jin Yoshioka 126 East 103rd Street #27 New York, New York 10029 212-289-2242 646-245-3860 SYoshioka7(a)aol.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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FS/FT Items

by drido＠optushome.com.au

At 05:27 PM 4/29/03, you wrote: >I'm looking for either QBUS parts, or $5 + shipping for each of the >following.. Trying to clean out my room before I have to move in a few >months. >- IBM RS/6000 7011 Model 220 with 32MB ram, 400MB+ HDD, 2.88MB FDD, > Gt1x framebuffer I'd like this. I've got a Dilog DQ130 Qbus card (pertec controller AFAIK) and a Texas Instruments TM10010 Qbus RAM card (128k x 18 bit I thnk), but I doubt it's worth shipping the RS/6000 to Australia :(

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