- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Charlie Smith <classic(a)elektro.cmhnet.org> wrote: > Does anyone remember if the Central Point Deluxe Option Board > can copy 1.4 MB 3.5" floppy disks? Quoting from the manual: * To copy high capacity, non-copy-protected disks (1.2 or 1.44 MB) you must use the TCM program included on the Deluxe Option Board software disk. * The Deluxe Option Board is not capable of copying copy-protected, high density disks. As these disks become more prevalent in the market, we may include this capability. -- end quote -- I'm thinking what this means is that you can use TCM to copy 1.44MB 3.5" media, but there's no guarantee that it will reliably copy media that are copy-protected. -Frank McConnell

22 years, 10 months

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DOS/Windows for Wang Professional Computer (not a PC clone)?

by drido＠optushome.com.au

Recently I picked up a Wang Professional Computer. Can't find a model number on it anywhere. It 8086 based, 256KB RAM, 360KB FDD, 10MB HDD. It runs MS-DOS 2.11, but it is not PC compatible. A long time before I got this machine I found some software for it. A box of original disks all marked "Wang Professional Computer". It includes 2 versions of the integrated word processor, MS Chart, DOS3.2 and Windows 1.03. Both versions of the word processor run, ms chart bombs saying I have the wrong graphics card. Neither DOS 3.2 nor Windows 1.03 will install. DOS 3.2 just hangs the machine, Windows 1.03 bombs with an interrupt error. The disks seem to read okay. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong or have working copies? I vaugely remember seeing pictures of this machine in the Windows launch issue of Byte. Though it would be cool to have windows running on something other than a PC clone. I think I've even got a copy Balance of Power for Win 1.x around here somewhere.

22 years, 10 months

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Mac Net dummy Q's

by cb＠mythtech.net

> Desktop > +- Apple > +- Control Panel > +- Sharing Setup > ('Start' was selected, reboot) No need to reboot after starting File Sharing, and in fact, rebooting can cause the file sharing to be turned back off. So first step, go back into the Sharing Setup control panel, and make sure the Start button says "Stop" (if it says "Start" then click it again, and wait for file sharing to startup, the button will change to Stop when it is up and running) >Now, where is the remote drive >supposed to show up on the local system? In the remote computer's Chooser, under AppleShare. If you don't see the server there, make sure both computers' AppleTalk control panel is set to use the Printer Port, and that AppleTalk is turned on (and make sure the serial TeleNet connectors are plugged into the Printer port and not the Modem port). Also, on the TeleNet connectors, make sure there is a terminator in the unused phone jack on each. I don't remember if the ones I gave you have termination switches on the side, if they do, just make sure it is set to ON (if it is, then you don't need a terminator in the 2nd jack... I know either they have they switches or I gave you terminators... I don't think I would have been brain dead enough to give you them without a way to terminate them) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 10 months

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Cassette Media revisited

by cb＠mythtech.net

Well... audio tapes don't work as a substitute for a D/CAS cassette. At least not with my TEAC drive. First attempt, drive takes the tape, but starts blinking the access light as soon as the drive is locked, never tries to do anything with it, software says "No Media". After a quick 2nd look at the transport, I see a small finger sensor looking for that notch. 30 seconds later with my pocket knife, my audio tape has the notch. 2nd attempt, drive sees the tape, software reports "Busy" as the drive spins the tape to the end, clacks to the end and tries to spin some more, then gives up, rewinds a bit and stops. Software reports "Hardware Error". My guess is, it is looking for some kind of end of tape marker. I tried both clear leader and leaderless tape, neither worked. I also tried a higher grade tape (Type II, 630 oersteds or whatever that word is). I don't know if the end of tape is a specific magnetic marker like a format, or what. Winding the tape to the end in a tape deck and putting back in the drive causes it to rewind the whole tape until it clacks at the end again. So it is definitly trying to rewind to the start of the tape and is simply never seeing that it is at the end. It is possible that the drive is broken, but since it is seen by Retrospect on the Mac, and gives status updates as it goes, and the transport does its thing... I tend to think the drive is fine and I just can't use an audio tape. So... does anyone know a supplier of these tapes? I haven't been able to turn up anyone that actually sells them anymore. A few people on this list offered to try to locate a spare tape for me for testing... but I'm not going to ask anyone to go thru that effort if I can't get a regular supply of tapes anyway. The drive is a TEAC MT-2ST/N50. The following appear to be compatible tapes: MaynStream 20; Teac CT500 D/CAS; Verbatim ST500; Teac CT-600H; Verbatim ST600; Maxell CS-600HD; MaynStream 60; Teac CT-600N; Maxell CS-600XD; Verbatim ST600XD; MaynStream 150. All in all, it probably isn't worth much more effort. Its only a 150 MB drive anyway. So for normal use, there isn't much I can do with it (at least not when I deal with the cost ratio of Zip disks or CD-R's). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 10 months

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HP7585B DOA. (Second posting)

by kens＠cad2cam.com

I thought I would try again. Fishing for an image of the EPROM for this pen plotter. HP part # 07585-18078, Rev A, 10-29-84 and the companion EPROM part # 07585-18076. Has anyone had any luck with HP support? Ken Stephens CAD2CAM.COM

22 years, 10 months

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Interdata Model 74

by aek＠spies.com

Does anyone have any information, documentation, engineering diagrams for this machine? -- I have the model 74 maint manual. I'll see about getting it uploaded to www.spies.com/aek/pdf/interdata.

22 years, 10 months

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Valuing an 11/60

by root＠parse.com

I have the opportunity to pick up up to 5 PDP-11/60's, but it's the usual "make me a reasonable offer" stuff. I've already tried the "how about $500 for a cube-van's worth" and been shot down. Anyone know what a "reasonable offer" for this stuff is? Anyone interested in an 11/60 FOB Ottawa/ON/Canada? Cheers, -RK -- Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!

22 years, 10 months

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Wang WLTC Laptop

by stationmaster＠ozemail.com.au

Hi, I am a collector of Historic Computers and the Wang is in my collection and still working daily as a Note Book,however I need further information or possibly a Manual on the computers operation,any help greatly appreciated,my Online museum is up and running at: http://cloud.prohosting.com/stoiksrs/ Robin at Crystal Brook. My Email: stationmaster(a)ozemail.com.au Photos: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b330ceeea457 Dirtcircuit : http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/hotrod.htm History of Steam: http://au.geocities.com/comptroller_pboro/ C.Brook: http://au.geocities.com/comptroller_pboro/CrystalBrook.htm My Main Site: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation SteamTown: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/steamtown.htm ( 4 Sale)

22 years, 10 months

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Wang Laptop

by stationmaster＠ozemail.com.au

Hi Geoff, yes I bought the Laptop in Pirie a few years ago,do you have any details on how to use it ,i.e. a Manual,the computer is still running and I now have an extra 5" external disk drive witch is a big help,were you the original owner,if so what did you use the computer for,cheers from Crystal Brook.SA. Robin at Crystal Brook. My Email: stationmaster(a)ozemail.com.au Photos: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b330ceeea457 Dirtcircuit : http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/hotrod.htm History of Steam: http://au.geocities.com/comptroller_pboro/ C.Brook: http://au.geocities.com/comptroller_pboro/CrystalBrook.htm My Main Site: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation SteamTown: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/steamtown.htm ( 4 Sale)

22 years, 10 months

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The final 'Garage' sale...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

28 May, 2003 ...and then one day you wake up, and things are just not the same anymore... And so it is with the 'Computer Garage'... As of today, I am with great regret announcing the dissolution of the major part of the Computer Garage collection of classic computers and related materials. First; I will detail the method in which this will be done, and then I will detail the reasons and events that have lead up to this decision. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The dissollution and redistribution: With the exception of between six and ten units that have particular 'history' with me, all items in the collection will be disbursed. These items will be specified shortly. Beginning in a few days, and proceeding over the next few months as needed a 'catalog' page will be created on the 'Computer Garage' site. For each item there will be a description, a thumbnail picture when practical, an estimated shipping weight, and a date.

22 years, 10 months

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XENIX Distribution Disks

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I have the 3.1 or 3.2 system, scriptsit, dev system, mbasic, and filePro or Profile16. How urgent are your needs? I only have them available on 5.25" disks (follow the directions on Frank Durda's site to connect up a 5.25" drive). I can probably get to copying them in mid to late June. Just remind me in a few weeks. Anyone else collect the 6000's? Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Owen Robertson [mailto:univac2@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:13 PM To: Classic Computer Mailing List Subject: XENIX Distribution Disks Well, I found someone with a Tandy 6000 keyboard to sell and it should be on it's way to me tomorrow. Unfortunately, when it gets here, I will have nothing to use it for, as I accidentally wiped XENIX completely off my 6000's internal hard disk while trying to format a secondary *external* hard disk. I will never again assume that a program named 'hdinit' will actually ask me *which* disk to erase, nor that it will ask for *ANY* kind of confirmation before wiping the internal hard disk... So I am now in the market for some Tandy XENIX distribution disks for version 3.whatever. I don't know the exact version number of the OS that was for the 6000 specifically. Also, should anyone have the Multiuser BASIC disks, or Profile for XENIX disks, those were lost as well... I didn't have any of the original disks for anything dealing with the 6000. I'd also like to get my hands on something my system never had, whose absence was very noticeable - the XENIX Development System, which contains things like the C compiler, mail, and many other things I don't consider optional in a UNIX-based system. Any help is greatly appreciated... -- Owen Robertson

22 years, 10 months

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More Gummint surplus goodies

by jpl15＠panix.com

here: http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=202239&convertTo=USD Check out the wierd (micro? terminal?) with the monitor in an adjustable gimbal cradle, almost like the old Philco Predicta TVS that the retro freaks all think is the Icon of 50s Tech... Also an HP something sitting on a desk with a paper tape reader in it.. 34 photographs, be sure to check them all out... and I ain't done lookin', yet... Cheers John

22 years, 10 months

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RCA WO-33A Manual available

by hansp＠citem.org

One of my second hand book trawls just threw up this: RCA Cathode-Ray Oscilloscope Manual by Radio Corporation of America, Illustrated Harrison, N.J.: RCA Pictorial Cover. 4to - over 93/4" - 12" tall. Cathode-Ray Oscilloscope Type WO-33A Manual with Specifications - Operation - Application and Maintenance information; Illustrated; 23 pages; light cover and edgewear, good condition. Its in the States, priced at $10, if you are intereseted send me a message OFF-LIST. -- hbp

22 years, 10 months

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simh help?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Brian Hechinger" <wonko(a)4amlunch.net> ---snip--- > >i wonder how many people build things 64-bit though? it's very easy to build >and run 32-bit software on sparc64 and MIPS64. i do, but i'm one of those >weirdos. ;) > ---snip--- Hi We make a 64 bit/32 bit x86 machine. Dwight

22 years, 10 months

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IMC Portcom II

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Submitted for your amusement, something picked up today while out scrounging (really looking for non-classic bits). It's a luggable. Poking out the front: 5" CRT two half-height 5.25" floppy drives (inserted floppies have extra write protect notches cut for use as flippies) 40/80 switch modular jack (6-conductor) brightness and horizontal hold knobs Poking out the back: GAME (DE9P) RS-232C (DB25S) PRINTER ("Centronics" connector) VIDEO (RCA socket) label, handwritten s/n 1193 and checkmarks for 110V 60Hz The detached keyboard has a modular jack too. It's also bit-paired (shift-2 is '"'), in fact it mostly follows the Apple ][ layout (and has <- and -> keys), and it has what look like BASIC keywords on the fronts of many of the keys, including HTAB, VTAB, GR, HGR, and TEXT. No cable between keyboard and luggable. I'm thinking it's an Apple ][ clone of some sort. It doesn't quite power up: no video display on the internal monitor. Pulling the top cover shows the guts. The top floppy drive is a Teac FD55A. The motherboard has five slots that look like Apple ][ slots; the silkscreen on the motherboard labels them S0 S3 S4 S5 S7. Date codes on the visible ICs are 81xx and 84xx so I'm guessing 1984 at the earliest. Someone's been in here before. The 40/80 switch has a lead to a paper clip that ties it (mechanically at least) to an insulated red lead that goes from the motherboard to the display board; this red lead would appear to be the +ve supply for the display. There's also a loose metal cover over the display section; it looks like it may have been held together or insulated by tape or sticky cardboard at some time but this has been removed somewhat. Powering up with the top off makes a red LED on the motherboard light up solid, but the CRT filament doesn't glow. Anyone ever seen one of these before? -Frank McConnell

22 years, 10 months

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PDP-11/34A / BA11-K PSU

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. I got some more parts of that disassembled PDP-11/34A yesterday. I think I have now all PSU parts: - power inlet unit with mains cable, circuit breaker ... and a PCB that looks like a small PSU. - one big transformer - one small transformer - one H785 battery backup regulator module - one H745 -15 PSU module - two H7441 +5V PSU modules - a PCB that is labled "BATTERY CHARGER" - a bag full of screws Some time ago I got the front half of the BA11-K, i.e. a card cage with the system units, all UniBus cards, power distribution panel and front panel. Obviously missing: - back of the BA11-K where the PSU bricks, transformers, ... are mounted - fans - bulkheads for the console serial line, the serial multiplexer, RK07, ... - UniBus extender and terminator. [1] I got the card cage, power distribution panel, system units and all UniBus cards in one piece, but disassembled it to clean it. I know how to remount that, but I have no clue how all the PSU parts fit togeter and if there are some parts missing I didn't list above. It would be nice if someone who knows this machine could give me some hints... I was toled that one of the PSU bricks is broken. I found some manuals on http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/PDP-11-34A/ but I can't read those TIFFs. I tried with xv, gimp, tiff2ps, Netscape 4.7x, Mozilla 1.2. I took the CDR with the TIFFs with me to work and tried to view them on a WinXP machine (puke). The machine nearly crashed when I tried to open the files. My SGI Indogo2 is broken so I can not try some IRIX tools. Where else can I get some schematics of the PSU bricks in a readable form? [1] There is an other, smaler BA11 with a custom UniBus interface from Linotype for some photo typesetting machinery... I have the M9312 bootstrap terminator for the "beginning" of the bus where the CPU resides. -- tsch??, Jochen, who is now heating the soldering iron for the Indogo2... Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

22 years, 10 months

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TRS80 mod 4 ver1 video/memory problems

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tony Duell wrote: > When you reseated socketed chips, did you also do the ones on the FDC > board? Have you checked -- carefully -- the ribbon cable between the CPU > and FDC boards? I've had a lot of problems with those cables in M3s and > M4s. Speaking of which, whats best to replace these with? Both my model 3 and model 4 suffer from bad cables. -Toth

22 years, 10 months

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Categorization and description was RE: Collection policy was Re: No space for vinatge computers in

by CyndeM＠vulcan.com

I'm finding many aspects of this discussion very compelling. It got me to wonder some things. How would you categorize and describe classic computer items? Is there an accepted descriptive benchmark in the collectors discipline? Or better still, how would you *like* to see it done? What would be an appropriate descriptive level of a flip chip, a unibus terminator, a cable, a power cable, a backplane, a cabinet part? If you had a museum or archival collection of these DEC things, what would you want to know about them that would make them useful to you? Cynde Moya, MLIS -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:04 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Collection policy was Re: No space for vinatge computers in > And worse to the categorisation and descritpion. We are in the process > of inventorying our collection, the PDP-9 is described as "a cabinet xx > cm tall, xx cm wide, xx cm deep with orange and black panels and an > operator console". That neatly describes a museums view of a PDP-9 !! > I am currently in a battle royal to get this point of view chamged. Argh!! I knew I disliked most museums for a good reason :-)... This is simply rediculous. A PDP9 is a PDP9 no matter what cabinet it's installed in, of even if it's jsut loose backplanes and PSUs... Mind you, I once saw a list of valves (vacuum tubes) that one museum was offering to another. The list had a column of 'condition'. No, it didn't give the emission and gm figures. It didn't even say if the heater was continous, and the getter silver (not white, which would indicate air had leaked into the valve). No, it described how clean the glass was... > I recently recoverd an entire PDP-9 OS thought long lost from three > DECtapes found in a batch of over 100. Had "policy" been applied at > least 90 of those tapes would have been trashed on the grounds that "we > already have ten of those". The obvious extension of this is that art galleries should throw out all but 10 of their paintains on the ground that they 'already have 10 pieces of canvas with paint on them' :-)... And that libraries only need to keep 10 books ('we already have 10 sets of bound pieces of paper with ink on them'). Somebody is going to have to educate museum curators about the importance and meaning of technical and computer artefacts... -tony

22 years, 10 months

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OSX

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

And it's anti-Christian evolutionism too! ;) http://crossspot.net/objective/propaganda.html -----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:46 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OSX Odd.... Apple hired Jordan Hubbard (lead developer for FreeBSD) to head up OSX development, and I was quite sure I saw an article where Jordan stated the kernel and underlying OS was in fact FreeBSD. I'll check into this... Jay <snip>

22 years, 10 months

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Altair: The saga continues.

by stevenaleach＠mac.com

Just replaced the capacitor on my 8800b front panel only to find that my power supply is defunct. 18 volt lines have output, but that's it. Checked voltage regulator pins on CPU card, 12 volts on the lower regulator, nil on the upper :-(. It should be interesting to watch the 8800 on ebay, it's got 4 days left. For almost two days (long enough to get my hopes up...:-(. ) I was the high bidder but now it's up to $1000. I wonder how sick this one will get? Ahh well, someday I will own an 8800!

22 years, 10 months

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TRS80 mod 4 ver1 video/memory problems

by jpdavis＠gorge.net

Hi, I recently picked up a model 4 ver 1 with a problem. The system originally worked and booted, after moving the system it started to display random characters on power up and failed to boot.. I removed socketed ICs and cleaned the connectors. The system now displays a blank screen on power up ( although the drives spin, and it could be booting ). If I disconnect the FD controller from the main board, the system jumps into basic ( with video ) and seems to operate. Print fre(0) returns somthing over 48K with the fd disconnected. Any hints? Jim Davis.

22 years, 10 months

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PDP11

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

>Tony Manzo wrote: > Hello, If you have any PDP hardware/software that you wish to sell, > please email me. I have opened a "coffee house" - I hate the term > Cyber Cafe - that cateres to the technical and scientific, mainly > students and computer vets. We put the legacy systems online and > allow/encourage program development on the original equipment. I would > hate for such equipment to go unused, so if you can help, please let > me know. Thanks. Tony Manzo > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). Jerome Fine replies: I received the above PRIVATE e-mail from: Tony Manzo <vgo_tony_m(a)yahoo.com> I am attempting to track down just how Tony obtained my e-mail address plus if anyone else received the above e-mail. Also if anyone has heard of Tony and if he is legitimate? And does anyone know where Tony is located - which city? As far as I know, the only possible way Tony could have obtained my e-mail address was through cctalk(a)classiccmp.org since I first started to use this random e-mail address just a week ago. OR someone who is aware of my PDP-11 addiction gave it to him? In either case, I don't have an objection. But if there has been any hacking, then I would like to know about that aspect! In any case, if I am receiving spam via cctalk(a)classiccmp.org, then others need to be warned as well! If not, then I want to reply. Has anyone else received such an e-mail? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

22 years, 10 months

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HP 80 Series Software

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

> As you've probably already found out, the HP-85 drives are mostly > in-operable by now. The tapes also have some serious failures with age. > I've managed to fix a few drives and I been able to read SOME of the tapes. > But I found that the tapes usually fail COMPLETELY after a few uses. (Again > see the archives) For several years I tried to get people to send me > whatever tapes they had so that I could copy them to disk and preserve the > SW but no one cooperated so I've given up. I've got an HP 85 with a bad tape drive but with dozens of tapes. I'd be happy to lend those to you for archiving, etc. Right now they are in storage pending me moving into a new home (I hope), but once I recover them I'll get in touch with you if you're willing to set up to copy these. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum

22 years, 10 months

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HP 80 Series Software

by rhahm＠nycap.rr.com

Clear DayDoes anyone have any software or "Pacs" for the the HP 85 or 87 they would be willing to share. I could send you either 3.5 or 5.25 floppies if you could copy to discs. Also does anyone have a copy of the HP 85 User's Library? Thanks, Bob [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG]

22 years, 10 months

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XENIX Distribution Disks

by CCTech＠catcorner.org

> To reduce the time involved in making copies, would you be willing to make > disk images, and put them somewhere accessible? That way those of us with > an 8" hooked to a PC could make 8" disks. OK. I've got an ftp server lined up, can even put them on CD's and duplicate a batch on scrap discs (don't ask, I was trying to calibrate a termal CD printer). The big question: What is the best tool to create the disk images? Rawread/rawwrite? dd? cpio? something else? The easiest thing for me is either dd under linux or raw read under MSDOS (like the linux boot discs). I have lots of 5.25" disc drives laying around. All I have to do is hook one up. I'd rather not create the 8" discs myself. The media on them seems to peel off onto the head if you have cheap ones. Then I have to take the drive apart, clean the head... since I've already copied most down to 5.25 (I still have to do mbasic, multiplan, and Profile 16+), I will make images >from the 5.25" discs as time permits and put them up on a public ftp server for a while. Kelly

22 years, 10 months

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8" drive hooked up to a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 30, 9:08, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Jochen Kunz wrote: > > > On 2003.05.29 20:27 Jerome H. Fine wrote: > > > John, if you are reading this, it would be best if you could > > > confirm - also even better if you could explain why they > > > hardware to read the DEC RX02 8" floppy media is > > > not available on a PC. > > > > I am not John, but this may be the explanation: > > The RX02 uses double density only for the data inside the sector. The > > sector header is (mostly) the same as a RX01 sector header and it is > > rcorded in single density. > NOTE that most 3rd party RX01/RX02 controller/drive pairs > for DEC PDP-11 hardware were able to do the complete > LLF for RX01/RX02 media. In fact, I seem to remember that > the controller was not required - the drive contained the ability > to do a LLF off-line. This was not the RT-11 FORMAT > command, but a complete LLF. No, that's backwards. In the case of DEC RX01 or RX02 with a DEC controller, the controller card (in the QBus or Unibus) is fairly dumb, it's just an interface. The "smart" stuff is in the drive enclosure. The controller passes a FORMAT command to the drive, the drive chunters away and executs it, and reports back to the controller when it's done. In the case of third-party controllers with "industry standard" drives, the controller is "smart" and the drive is dumb. The controller does the formatting, and sends control signals and a data/clock bitstream to the drive, so you can't do anything > The same situation occurred with the DEC RX50 floppy media. > The DEC RX50 drive could NOT perform an LLF. It works differently than an RX01/RX02. In fact it works exactly like the third-party RX01/RX02 case above, except that DEC saw fit not to include formatting routines in the RQDX1/RQDX2 controller. The RX50 drive is an oddly-engineered variant of an industry-standard 5.25" dual floppy, with almost exactly the same control/data signals. > However, by the time that DEC allowed the RX33 on the RQDX3, > DEC had switched to industry standard HD PC 1.2 MByte floppy > drives and media with 2400 blocks. Yes, the RQDX3 includes firmware that can do the formatting. However the layout it creates is fixed, and not useful for an RX50 (which has almost exactly the same hardware interface as an RX33). > The question that is still unanswered is IF the board that dbit > has available that supports the RX01 floppy media on a PC > with the appropriate 8" floppy drive CAN ALSO support > an RX02 media? I seem to remember that the answer is NO! Correct. The answer is "no", for exactly the reason Jochen describes, and indeed John's webpage says so. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 10 months

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IBM System/36 - Advice Needed

by mross666＠hotmail.com

This should tell you most of what you need to know... I did my password hacking on a 5362, but there should be analagous tools on the 5364 PC console. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6m4rat85bf4hi45udaj05u5j6pm48e887g%404… Good luck! Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

22 years, 10 months

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Collection policy was Re: No space for vinatge computers in

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 29, 17:12, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > With my grandchildren, I discovered a way to make binary > numbers interesting. We started with the concept that each > finger represented a ZERO or a power of two. > > All fingers down was ZERO. > > Baby Finger UP was ONE. > > Ruby Ring UP was TWO > > Both Baby Finger and Ruby Ring was THREE. Very good! I've seen a similar proposal written by Fred Pohl in a book called "Digits and Dastards". The last two items in this collection (of mostly SF short stories) are entitled "How To Count On Your Fingers" and "On Binary digits and Human Habits" (copyright 1856 and 1962 respectively!). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TRS80 mod 4 ver1 video/memory problems

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Jim There is a chance that the first crash also damaged the system info on your boot disk. Have you tried using another disk? You could also try putting the disk controller in but put tape over the select line( not sure what is involved here without a schematic ) and tie this line ( lines? ) so that the drive doesn't access. The idea is to see if something in the controller is loading the bus. If this is the case, BASIC won't boot. You could then isolate a pin at a time until you found the failure. Small pieces of tape work well for isolating edge connectors. That is about as far as I'm willing to make any guesses. Dwight >From: "Jim Davis" <jpdavis(a)gorge.net> > >Hi, >I recently picked up a model 4 ver 1 with a problem. The system originally >worked and booted, after moving the system it started to display random >characters >on power up and failed to boot.. I removed socketed ICs and cleaned >the connectors. >The system now displays a blank screen on power up ( although the drives >spin, and >it could be booting ). If I disconnect the FD controller from the main >board, the >system jumps into basic ( with video ) and seems to operate. Print >fre(0) returns >somthing over 48K with the fd disconnected. Any hints? >Jim Davis.

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Thinline Floppy Problem

by univac2＠earthlink.net

What does it mean when the light on a thinline floppy in a Tandy 6000 repeatedly blinks to the pattern: <long blink>...<blink><blink><blink> When I put a disk in, the drive makes healthy noises, but the light just keeps blinking like stated above, and the system seems unable to detect that there's a disk in the drive. -- Owen Robertson

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PDP11

by jhfinexgs2＠compsys.to

>Tony Manzo wrote: > Hello, If you have any PDP hardware/software that you wish to sell, > please email me. I have opened a "coffee house" - I hate the term > Cyber Cafe - that cateres to the technical and scientific, mainly > students and computer vets. We put the legacy systems online and > allow/encourage program development on the original equipment. I would > hate for such equipment to go unused, so if you can help, please let > me know. Thanks. Tony Manzo > Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). Jerome Fine replies: I am attempting to track down just how Tony obtained my e-mail address plus if anyone else received the above e-mail. Also if anyone has heard of Tony and if he is legitimate? And does anyone know where Tony is located - which city? Tony Manzo <vgo_tony_m(a)yahoo.com> As far as I know, the only possible way Tony could have obtained my e-mail address was through cctalk(a)classiccmp.org since I first started to use it only a week ago. OR someone who is aware of my PDP-11 addiction gave it to him? In either case, I don't have an objection. But if there has been any hacking, then I would like to know about that aspect! In any case, if I am receiving spam via cctalk(a)classiccmp.org, then others need to be warned! If not, then I want to reply. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year.

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8" drive hooked up to a PC

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Innfogra(a)aol.com > >Thanks for the tip on the D Bit FDADAP. I will probably get one as I think it >meets my criteria. I am not particular interested in reading DEC RX01 & 02s. >Those I will pass onto the list as I find them. > >My main interest is in CPM systems and disks of which I have several. Hi As was mentioned, not all controllers do single density. MFM double density is no problem. There are a number of programs out there that handle differing sector counts and sector sizes. You could also write your own. You'd need to know how to setup the DMA and the floppy registers. It isn't real hard but it is easiest if you have some examples. > >Also I wonder if it will work with intel development system disks. If your disk are single density and you have a controller that handles single density then you are OK. Intel's double density was M2FM and not MFM, for the 8 inch disk. About the only way to read this was with an Intel M2FM controller. As far as I know, these only existed on multibus boards. Dwight > >Thanks again for the leads. I will look at the CPM FAQ too. > >Paxton >Astoria, OR

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More Stuff for Auction at SYI

by marvin＠rain.org

I have listed some more stuff for auction over at http://www.sellyouritem.com. I have found quite a few DEC flip-chip and other boards that are being listed there in addition to other stuff of interest to listserver members. The area of main interest for list members is in the Classic Computer section at: http://www.sellyouritem.com/ListAuctions.html?CategoryID=1497 The things I am listing there are for 3 day auctions, and that should give everyone here a chance at them before they head over to (explatives deleted) Ebay. If you think the pricing is wrong, let me know as this was my best guess at reasonable pricing for list members. Again, the main idea behind putting them on SYI is to allow listmembers an equal chance at anything they might be interested in. I'm trying to list about 10 items/day there. Stuff that I will also be listing include a PDP-3L, Microvax, some DEC Disk Drive cartridges R????, and some other DEC cards that I have not identified yet. I *think* there are also several 11/34 cards that I have not listed yet, hopefully later today. ------------------------------------------- ebaY's Security Breach and Coverup http://www.auctionguild.com/generic110.html

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Collection policy was Re: No space for vinatge computers in

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 7:15, Hans B Pufal wrote: > No, but they can learn. I do EXACTLY that with a PDP-8/e cpu I drag > around to show at school exhibitions. The first question I get, of > course, is where is the screen and keyboard. I teach the kids binary, > than, with the aid of a small program left in the core we calculate the > mean of a sequence of numbers entered in binary. And not a screen or > keybaord in sight. This demo ALWAYS gets good reviews.... Exactly what I did with my 8-year-old niece at Christmas. She's really into "sums" and arithmetic at the moment, so when I wanted to play with my 8/E, I taught her a little about binary, showed her how to read octal off the switches and lights, and we added some numbers. She loved it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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8" drive hooked up to a PC

by Innfogra＠aol.com

> That way those of us with > an 8" hooked to a PC could make 8" disks. > How do you do this? I am interested. What floppy controller do you use? I am assuming it is for the ISA bus? Anything for a PCI bus. Anything for EISA, I am keeping one EISA bus system. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Kaypro 10 Question

by tombohon＠earthlink.net

Has anyone heard of a conversion of a Kaypro 10 to use a 3.5" floppy drive?

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8" drive hooked up to a PC

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Thanks for the tip on the D Bit FDADAP. I will probably get one as I think it meets my criteria. I am not particular interested in reading DEC RX01 & 02s. Those I will pass onto the list as I find them. My main interest is in CPM systems and disks of which I have several. Also I wonder if it will work with intel development system disks. Thanks again for the leads. I will look at the CPM FAQ too. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Computer-tourism in Manhattan

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Hi, folks. I'm starting a vacation this Saturday with a few days in Manhattan. Are there good classic computing or telecommunications museums, or other interesting sites, there? I know IBM used to have a museum in Manhattan, but I never got to see it -- I'd hate to miss something else just before it closed. Any help is appreciated, and I'll gladly take pictures and/or send postcards for those who are interested :-) Norm

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Need a bit of help

by kurtk7＠visi.com

I really could use a bit of help. I have been trying to reach Martijn Kruger of Retro Computing Unlimited. I was corresponding with him and then haven't heard from him. Not sure if I said something wrong but he was helping me find some technical manuals. If anyone can reach him or knows how I should contact him, please let me know. Thanks Kurt

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DecServer 700 - WWENG2.SYS image

by alexandre.dulaunoy＠ael.be

Dear All, We have received a lot of old DecServer 700 but we are looking for the WWENG2.SYS image ;-) We have looked around the old digital ftp server, but there is only the pr0801eng.sys (not really useful). Where can we get the WWENG2.SYS image for the DecServer ? What is the software licensing for this image ? Is it linked to hardware or was it a separate product from Digital ? Thanks a lot. adulau -- -- Alexandre Dulaunoy (adulau) -- http://www.foo.be/ -- http://pgp.ael.be:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x44E6CBCD -- "Knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance -- that we can solve them" Isaac Asimov

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Interdata Model 74

by toby＠russellsharpe.co.uk

Hi, I recently picked up a PDP11/34 for restoration from a surplus dealer and spotted at the same time an Interdata Model 74 gathering dust. Needless to say, I managed to get this as part of the deal.. I'd like to try to restore this back to working condition, but my various searches for information on early Interdata models seems to have born little fruit. Does anyone have any information, documentation, engineering diagrams for this machine? Thanks, Toby

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AV11--Need advice.

by sherrill＠frontiercomputer.com

I ran across your 11/4/02 post about leaking capacitors. We have two (so far) PCs afflicted. What scares the crap out of me is that we have a number of them at customers as voicemail servers. You said you replaced with AV22 and AV18, and we'd like to find out if that'll work for us. I also read at overclockers how to replace capacitors. I believe both the PCs are 700 mhz Celeron running Windows XP. I'd appreciate any advice you can give us. Sherrill Lowrey sherrill(a)frontiercomputer.com

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XENIX Distribution Disks

by univac2＠earthlink.net

Well, I found someone with a Tandy 6000 keyboard to sell and it should be on it's way to me tomorrow. Unfortunately, when it gets here, I will have nothing to use it for, as I accidentally wiped XENIX completely off my 6000's internal hard disk while trying to format a secondary *external* hard disk. I will never again assume that a program named 'hdinit' will actually ask me *which* disk to erase, nor that it will ask for *ANY* kind of confirmation before wiping the internal hard disk... So I am now in the market for some Tandy XENIX distribution disks for version 3.whatever. I don't know the exact version number of the OS that was for the 6000 specifically. Also, should anyone have the Multiuser BASIC disks, or Profile for XENIX disks, those were lost as well... I didn't have any of the original disks for anything dealing with the 6000. I'd also like to get my hands on something my system never had, whose absence was very noticeable - the XENIX Development System, which contains things like the C compiler, mail, and many other things I don't consider optional in a UNIX-based system. Any help is greatly appreciated... -- Owen Robertson

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No space for vinatge computers in australia (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Ok you funny talking folks on the upside-down island, you have a job to do: Chips are down for computer museum http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/19/1053196515142.html The Australian Computer Museum Society is about to lose its space and needs 1,000 square meters to move its collection into. They have to find something within 6 weeks because they say it'll take six months to move their collection, and they must be out bu January 1, 2004. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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The Great Auction (Leaving the Hobby)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>How do you have a url if it isn't listed yet? I've >never heard of a delayed listing. When selling stuff on ebay, you have the option of setting your start date/time to something other than right now. It costs more to do this, but it is an option. So like Jeffrey's post said, the auction starts at 6pm PDT Wednesday. So I would assume the link will become valid as of that time (it would be nice if ebay gave you a slightly better message than just Invalid Item so you know you are looking at a not yet valid item as opposed to a totally incorrect listing ID) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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DEC Modules F/A at SYI

by marvin＠rain.org

I've just listed some M series modules and a Quad Extender Board over at Sellyouritem.com. The URL for the classic computer stuff is at: http://www.sellyouritem.com/ListAuctions.html?CategoryID=1497 These are set for a three day auction to give listmembers a chance at them. I plan on listing about a dozen+ items a day, so it might be worthwhile to check over there occassionally. We've had some discussion about First Come/First Serve, and that basically means whoever lives at their computer has the best shot at anything offered to the list. I think this might be a fairer way of doing things without giving the whole world a chance at stuff. SYI has *NO* listing fees, and FVFs are slightly less than on Ebay. My feeling is that a three day auction gives everyone on the list a chance to look at the stuff, and bid if they are interested. ------------------------------------------- ebaY's Security Breach and Coverup http://www.auctionguild.com/generic110.html

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The Great Auction (Leaving the Hobby)

by jss＠subatomix.com

As promised, the bulk of my collection will be up for bidding in less than 24 hours. For an interesting twist, I have decided to sell my collection in one large lot instead of several medium-sized lots. This will hopefully maximize both convenience and entertainment. Remember, I'm also accepting items in lieu of cash. The auction kicks off today (Wednesday) at 6PM PDT (1AM GMT). I wish all contestants a safe, enjoyable bidding experience. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732905006 -- Jeffrey Sharp

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HP 9845B <- free paper

by surjit.bilkhu＠btconnect.com

Hi there Do you still have any HP 9845B units left that you might want to get rid off. Rdgs Surjit

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IBM 8560

by cb＠mythtech.net

Any value to an IBM 8560? Or more correctly, is it something that someone on the list might be interested in. Its a full height tower 286 IBM ps/2 machine. There is at least one hard drive in it, and I think I have a 2nd for it (not sure the sizes, 20 or 40 MB I think). Last I knew it booted and worked fine. I've had it kicking around for some time, and its taking up space. I think it weighs about 40 lbs, so figure on 50 lbs packed for an estimate, shipped from 07450... anyone want it? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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LA 120

by marks＠techprecision.com.au

Hi there I saw your post as a result of my search criteria in google, i am chasing any and all documentation on DEC LA 120 and any other relevant PDP material. I have just secured a position with a company that supports this type of hardware, and am having difficulty wrapping my mind around the sheer immensity of the equipment. So any help would be very much appreciated, as i search and search for any documentation. :) Best regards Mark Setter

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