- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Hello, I am trying to update the firmware in an old BBN BitGraph terminal and it uses four TMS2564 EPROMs, which from what I have been able to determine (see here: http://www.spies.com/~arcade/schematics/ROMref.txt ) are not compatible with a standard 2764. I suppose that I could make four adapters, but if I can find the correct parts, that would be better. Does anyone have four TMS2564-45 (or better) that they would be willing to part with? --tnx --tom

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BBC Micro 6809 2nd proc

by gtoal＠gtoal.com

I mentioned some time ago that I'd once built a second processor for the BBC micro using a 6809. I found it again recently and here's a photo... http://www.gtoal.com/tmp/CNXT0053.JPG You can see the Tube (furthest), CPU (next to it), boot rom (left of the CPU), 64K DRAM, and two custom chips; one is an 8-bit counter for dynamic ram refresh, and a PLA for address decoding. I forget what the other small TTL chip did; it may have been a couple of inverters to create a signal delay? I found this today which I think is the logic table for the dynamic refresh and address decode PLA: { Ras' = (Eclk + Qclk)' RomCS = A15.A14.A13.A12.A11.A10 TubeCS = A15.A14.A13.A12.A11.A10' Cas = Q.(RomCS' + TubeCS')' Count' = Q.(RomCS' + TubeCS') TW' = E' + R/NW TR' = E' + R/NW' } IN A10, A11, A12, A13, A14, A15, Eclk, Qclk, R/W' X X X X X X X X 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 X X X X X X X X 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 X X X X X X 0 X X 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 X X X X X X 0 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 1 1 1 1 1 X 1 X 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 X X X X X X 0 0 X 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 X X X 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 X X X 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 X X X X X 0 X 1 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 X X X X 0 X X 1 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 X X X 0 X X X 1 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 X X 0 X X X X 1 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 X 0 X X X X X 1 X 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 OUT Count', RAS', TW', TR', TubeCS, RomCS, CAS { Ras' use as is. Cas invert with 30ns <= delay <= 60ns RomCS invert TubeCS invert Count' feed directly into counter, counter clocks on falling edge TR' use as is TW' use as is } I also found an HP Plotfile which *may* be the layout of this chip that I'd love to see again - if anyone has a utility to convert HP plotter codes into something more readable that they could run this through in a few minutes (don't put a lot of effort into it, I can write my own utility if I need to) I'ld love to see what it looks like again...: http://www.gtoal.com/tmp/plotfile.txt The chip was laid out in my own layout language called the "Tiled Orthogonal Abutment Language" ;-) - it was basically a crude tiling system with no overlap, pretty much like the way the very first release of M$ Windows worked: http://www.gtoal.com/tmp/megaroute.toal The two empty sockets originally contained 2 32K static rams with battery-backup built-in, instead of the 64K SIL, eprom, and counter. Unfortunately you had to pre-load it with boot rom contents on another system then transfer the ram without the battery falling off :-) (glued on, kinda hacky!) I prototyped it with the static ram and then got it working with dynamic ram when the chips were returned from fab. The custom chips weren't strictly necessary; I was working in the VLSI CAD group and they needed some test chips when trialling a new production line, so all the programmers got the chance to design a chip if they wanted to. I took the chance to do these for the 6809 as I'ld always liked that CPU in preference to the 6502 in the BBC systems. I think if I had needed to I could have used off the shelf chips that would have done the same job. Anyway it was a nice small & cheap system to build in either incarnation; I was disappointed that Acorn didn't pick it up. (The primary reason being that Roger was a speed freak and that the 6809 was obviously not going to be pushed as far as the 6502 was being improved) I also wrote a compiler for it because I had no luck at all getting the only company I could find that wrote a C compiler (Introl) to reply to my letters (http://www.gtoal.com/athome/tmp/c.letter) asking about the possibility of bundling it with our processor, although they were quick enough to send brochures for sales of a single unit when they thought I was an end-user at first. My compiler is here if you're interested; it was no great shakes but it worked for me... http://www.gtoal.com/athome/edinburgh/skimp/skimp-6809/ - and as a result of the Edinburgh history project resurrecting Imp, I've been able to get it running again, with the intention of perhaps writing some Vectrex games with it... (You can see the output of the compiler in this article: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/compilers101/message/187 ) An early (unfinished) source of my boot rom (I lost the final one) is here: http://www.gtoal.com/athome/tmp/kernel.txt - I guess the final working binary is still in the eprom - it does still boot up! Graham

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BBC Micro 6809 2nd proc

by e.huininga＠sozawe.groningen.nl

> I mentioned some time ago that I'd once built a second processor for > the BBC micro using a 6809. > [...] nice job! > [...] > - I guess the final working binary is still in the eprom - it > does still boot up! Any chance you'll be able to get the code from the eprom? Cheers, Eelco

22 years, 7 months

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UNIX on pdp11 (was Digital DSM Disribution tape)

by luc＠e2t.be

As I picked up from the reactions it would be best to put a PDP11 on-line with UNIX on his disks to make usable images of the tape Are there somewhere on the web unix distributions for PDP11? And how do I get it on a tape? Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens SP Verzonden: maandag 1 september 2003 21:32 Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: Digital DSM Disribution tape The way would be to do one copy of the tape contents in one virtual tape available to use with one of the PDP11 simulators availables. I use SIMH and I should like to manage DSM some time :-) Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Vande Velde" <luc(a)e2t.be> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Digital DSM Disribution tape > Someone asked a few weeks ago for a copy of the DSM distribution > tape.(9track 1600bpi) > I found it back this afternoon (by accident in a search for some other old > stuff) > To make it clear - this is the native version of DSM (Digital Standard > Mumps) version 3.3 > and it runs only on PDP11 not on vax or other PDP's > Min. machine on UNIBUS = 11/40 on QBUS = 11/23 > If someone can tell me how to make it available I have my ears wide open; or > if someone is willing to do that's even better > > gr. > > Luc

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Dec or Digital Networking

by Dave.Whipple＠DNPG.com

Hi Everyone, My company builds the Decservers adn we are the original networking division otherwise known as DNPG. I noticed there are a lot of Dec users out there and I am sure they would like to know what we have designed lately. We have a brand new Decserver 708 with 8 ports of DB-9 and full modem control encase in metal and ready to deliver. We have the new 90M+ which has replaced the Decserver 90M, 90L and 90L+. We have the 716 and 732. We have a brand new switch family known as the Compass Family. 24 ports 10/100 with 2 uplink slots for fiber or copper in Gigabit or 100 base. These also do upto 128 VLANs at the closet level. The other switch in the family is 4 ports fixed copper gigabit and has 4 uplink slots to be configured as you wish. Now this is the first time we will mention our brand new Console Servers, Cservers which are linux based and are due out in September. We have also partnered up with Console Works and TDI offering out of band management for all of the devices that you want to watch and deem important in real time. This solution lets you oversee and proactively manage in real time from anywhere at anytime. Reboot a workstation in Paris from a blue screen from your bed with a laptop. That is power and management Thank you, dwhipple(a)dnpg.com Dave Whipple Account Manager direct dial: 603-216-6044 fax:603-216-0778 toll free: 877-341-9594 X6044 DNPG, LLC Digital Networks 20 North Wentworth Ave Londonderry, NH 03053

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Cool addition: DEC RoamAbout !

by luc＠e2t.be

Fred, I have piles of this AUI cables (in nice blue color even) Im sure I can spare a few And Belgium is a bit closer for you then the us ;)) gr. Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens David Woyciesjes Verzonden: woensdag 3 september 2003 15:46 Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; waltje(a)pdp11.nl Onderwerp: Re: Cool addition: DEC RoamAbout ! "Fred N. van Kempen" wrote: > > DELNI ethernet hubs (yes, I need more AUI cables... anyone?) I think I can help out here, I have a bunch here in New Haven, CT, USA. And 2 DELNIs I want to get rid of also... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818

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GRIDCASE 1520

by kandres＠epssecurity.com

Guys, You are right on. I sent some info to Jim privately. I still have a plasma GRIDCASE 1520 running on my bench, using DOS to exercise some obsolete equipment that I repair. The Cmos battery is gone so it can't remember its hard drive type, but as long as I can boot to floppy or the ROM it runs fine. I just don't see putting the time into the battery issue right now. It was limited, 1520 anyway, to 40M tops as I recall, the accessable COM port was 2 instead of 1, the internal modem used COM1. The BIOS is machine code and was NOT user accessable. The closest you could get was a utility called GRIDSCAN, which would show the various settings, but you couldn't change them. The startup routine would get so far and you hit "F" for floppy, "H" for hard drive, "E" for external pack. The machine would look for ROM (2 slots) at reboot, so if you were lucky enough to have the DOS 3.3 ROM then it would come up in DOS and you could go from there. I had used it in the field a lot. It has a metal case and is near indestructible. Plus the equipment I used it on was usually located in dark areas, so the plasma display was nice. Also in reference to the water damaged manual, the professionals suggest nothing for after the fact restoration from adherence. They claim freezing it at -15 to hold then freeze drying seems to be the answer. Look at www.mcfoa.org/disasterplan.pdf . Sounds like its time to make coffee! Kev

22 years, 7 months

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Dec or Digital Networking

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Indeed... So, what qualifies at "on-topic?" Who's the "Chief Mugwump of the Wizengamot" who can Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Lance Lyon [mailto:llyon@commodore.thebbs.org] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:09 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Dec or Digital Networking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tillman, Edward" <Edward.Tillman(a)valero.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: RE: Dec or Digital Networking > Has anyone actually tried to scale "on-topic" into something we can wrap our arms around? Once upon a time, I was told that any platform carrying a > version of Windows was off topic. Indeed, in another 2 years Windows 95 will fall into the 10+ year range. cheers, Lance

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Dec or Digital Networking

by donm＠cts.com

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Mail List wrote: > Hello Antonio, > > > And the original definition of on-topic was something like > > "not sold commercially for at least 10 years"; under that > > definition this would clearly fail. > > There are a whole lot of items that most would consider on-topic that > third party commercial dealers are still selling. A better definition might > be items that haven't been sold by the original equipment manufacturer > for 10 years. > > Best Regards Or, why not simply items that apply/relate to equipment at least 10 years old? - don > At 06:06 PM 9/3/03 +0100, you wrote: > > > It is probably a bad idea to spam (even if it is ~on-topic) > > > your fans, > > > >It's no more on-topic than it would be if HP were spamming > >about the new ES47 (unless dnpg are still selling* the > >HUB90 stuff and friends). > > > >Antonio > > > >[*] And the original definition of on-topic was something like > >"not sold commercially for at least 10 years"; under that > >definition this would clearly fail. > > > > > >-- > > > >--------------- > >Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

22 years, 7 months

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Some interesting stuff up on VCM

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have these listings on the Vintage Computer Marketplace currently: DEC H7225-BF Constant Voltage Conditioner http://marketplace.vintage.org/view.cfm?ad=139 (1.2 * shipping or free for pickup in Livermore, CA) Acorn Electron http://marketplace.vintage.org/view.cfm?ad=25 $40 obo Sinclair ZX Spectrum http://marketplace.vintage.org/view.cfm?ad=24 $40 obo Sharp PC-5000 http://marketplace.vintage.org/bid.cfm?ad=113 Current bid: $1 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 7 months

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barcode scanners, anyone?

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

any model numbers? Joe Heck

22 years, 7 months

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DEC OS

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > The *BEST* OS to run on an Alpha is OpenVMS, and you can run MySQL under > OpenVMS, but I think it takes some effort. Err, now THAT is what I call flamebait. --fred

22 years, 7 months

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The problems of organizing a computer collection

by CyndeM＠vulcan.com

When you put the boards and such away, do you include a pouch of silica gel to absorb the excess water and decrease the possibility of corrosion? Does this matter?

22 years, 7 months

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Gridcase 1520

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

Just Maybe.....?? Press "F" on booting for flop, "H" for HDD, "R" for ROM bd

22 years, 7 months

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2813 manual

by hitndahedfred＠comcast.net

please,,please,,,would you copy the manual for me,,i have a 2813 but no white-papers,,,,thank you,,,fred townsend

22 years, 7 months

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OT: Shipping from England

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Out of curiosity, does anyone happen to have any idea just how much it would cost to ship a 12 Volume Encyclopedia set from England to the West Coast? Zane P.S. Yes, I'm seriously thinking of getting a set of Encyclopedia's from England. -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

22 years, 7 months

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Dec or Digital Networking

by rogersda＠cox.net

> > It is probably a bad idea to spam (even if it is ~on-topic) > > your fans, > > It's no more on-topic than it would be if HP were spamming > about the new ES47 (unless dnpg are still selling* the > HUB90 stuff and friends). I hate to sound "clintonian" but it may depend on how one looks at it. From the labels on the boxes of DECserver 90s I've been replacing lately, it appears that DNPG is supplying the rebuilt spares and, from the serial numbers, some replacement spares are from current production where the old units were not repairable. Dale, the DECdude

22 years, 7 months

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Vax emulator?

by gtoal＠gtoal.com

I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent (free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either commercial or sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to be practical, but this is just from reading, not from using. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. G

22 years, 7 months

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Comodore SX64 monitor help needed.

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

> i have an SX64 with a dead monitor, can anybody point me in the > direction of a schematic? I have a Commodore service manual which coers the 250622-01 and -02 monitors. These are NTSC and PAL versions of a colour monitor that runs on a 12V DC supply. Alas 'SX64' is not mentioned anywhere.. Could this be applicable? I don't have a scanner, but could certainly look things up for you. -tony

22 years, 7 months

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Old manual got wet

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, emanuel stiebler wrote: > here is the problem: > I have an old manual which spent some time in water, and now after it > dried out, I have more or less just a piece of wood :( > So, how do you guys deal with something like that ? Put it in water > again, and try to remove page after page ? > Any better ideas ? I believe folks have suggested freeze drying in the past? It would probably be useful to check with some experienced librarians on this. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 7 months

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Old manual got wet

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Freeze drying can be used, but requires significant equipment. Look at pages 13-17 of http://www.mcfoa.org/DisasterPlan.pdf Wet books can also be frozen simply to prevent further damage (such as mildew) and to give time to treat the books one by one: freezing locks up the water so it can't do more damage as a liquid. See for example: http://aic.stanford.edu/conspec/bpg/annual/v05/bp05-21.html Once the book has dried out, there is not much that can be simply done to repair the damage. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:57 AM To: Classic Computers Mailing List Subject: Re: Old manual got wet On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, emanuel stiebler wrote: > here is the problem: > I have an old manual which spent some time in water, and now after it > dried out, I have more or less just a piece of wood :( > So, how do you guys deal with something like that ? Put it in water > again, and try to remove page after page ? > Any better ideas ? I believe folks have suggested freeze drying in the past? It would probably be useful to check with some experienced librarians on this. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 7 months

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CGA monitors available for pickup

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I've got a few CGA monitors here that are available if anyone wants to >come pick them up. Northern NJ, (Ridgewood, 07450). > >Last I knew, they worked (there are at least 4, maybe more). I just walked past one of the piles of CGA monitors, and at least one is actually a PCjr monitor (but I have some PCjr to CGA adaptor pigtails if anyone wants to use it as a CGA monitor). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 7 months

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Tandy 1000

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

I am looking to add a Tandy 1000 to my collection of old gaming computers (for the old 320x200 resolutions the tandy and PCjr only had). Anybody have one they want to get rid of cheap (I need the monitor also)? Located in Ohio/USA

22 years, 7 months

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PDP-11/73 or 11/83's in the US for sale?

by curt＠atarimuseum.com

Hi Joe, I'm in New York near Connecticut. Sounds great dude, I have an RL02 and right now an RLV12 Qbus controller, but I have a place in FL I've been buying Dec parts from and he has RLV11's so that wouldn't be a problem.... I want to also start looking around for an RX02 setup, I actually have a controller board already that was in my Vax4000-200 when I bought it. Curt > curt, where are you physically? I have 3 working systems, which I can > part with one easily, but they are not what you would call "commercial", > although I could put one together in a BA223 box, but shipping would > be more than the box. Also, I always ran RT-11, so I don't know what > the disk drive requirements are. It's nothing to put a processor, 256 > megs of memory and a dlv11j into a box. Do you have the RL02 subsystem > with the controller? > > regards, > > Joe Heck

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PDP-11/73 or 11/83's in the US for sale?

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

curt, where are you physically? I have 3 working systems, which I can part with one easily, but they are not what you would call "commercial", although I could put one together in a BA223 box, but shipping would be more than the box. Also, I always ran RT-11, so I don't know what the disk drive requirements are. It's nothing to put a processor, 256 megs of memory and a dlv11j into a box. Do you have the RL02 subsystem with the controller? regards, Joe Heck

22 years, 7 months

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PART NUMBERS AND EVOLUTION OF PERIPHERALS

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

found this link that might be of interest to someone ... PART NUMBERS AND EVOLUTION OF PERIPHERALS http://www.ics-finmek.com/ics/swtool/manuals/mag_opt/cap2.pdf discusses magnetic storage devices, ie floppy drives, hard drives, and tape drives

22 years, 7 months

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Archive tape drive Model 5945L-2

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Archive tape drive Model 5945L-2 I doubt anyone is going to want this, but I have one of these coming. Untested. If anyone wants this, pick up in person in Va. Beach, VA Archive tape drive Model 5945L-2 Archive 5945L-2 60MB 1/4" QIC-02 5.25" FH

22 years, 7 months

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EBAY fraud alert

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be disabled in 5 days. I followed the link, noticed it wasn't in secure mode, and wondered why EBAY would need my bank account number, routing/ABA numbers, not to mention SSN and home address and credit card numbers, etc. The form asked for everything imaginable. Yikes! Upon getting suspicious I checked the headers and html links in the message - needless to say - NOT ebay. Watch out for this one! I did report it to the spoof team at Ebay. Jay West

22 years, 7 months

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The problems of organizing a computer collection

by SPEDRAJA＠ono.com

I use too the NEXEL metalic cabinets with wheels. Hard, light, brilliant, and support A LOT of weight. It's expensive but the product has the price adjusted, I think. Cheers Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: "Wayne M. Smith" <wmsmith(a)earthlink.net> Fecha: Mi?rcoles, Septiembre 3, 2003 8:09 am Asunto: RE: The problems of organizing a computer collection > > At 12:37 PM 8/31/03 -0400, Ian Primus wrote: > > >I have been striveing to organize both my physical and > > digital space as > > >of late, and hsve been trying to reorganize the basement. I > > have come > > >up with > > > > Boltless commercial shelving. > > Rapid Rack, Econo, Riviteer, and many more make shelving that > > holds 400 to > > 600 lbs per shelf, assembles quickly, and is ROCK stable, > > plus each shelf > > (its hard to explain, but easy to see) holds more stuff since > > nothing is in > > the way, support structure is all at the outside on the > > corners. Home depot > > sells a moderately cheesier shelf called Gorilla Rack, but > > its not nearly > > as good. Sams Club carries some decent Wire Shelving by > > Seville (the patent > > for Metro must have run out) and at $69 for a 48x18x72 6 > > shelf rack on > > wheels, its a steal, and you get REAL used to how handy a > > STRONG rack on > > wheels is. > > > > I have been buying this type of wire shelving made by Nexel -- 800 > lbs.per 24 x 48 inch shelf. So far I have 11 feet it. Of course, > it'sexpensive. A 24 x 48 5 shelf unit with 74" posts runs around > $220. But > it is the best and very nice to look at. I have been buying mine from > Superior Shelving -- > http://www.superiorshelving.com/nexel/pages/nexelWire.html > > -W

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The problems of organizing a computer collection

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I have been striveing to organize both my physical and digital space as of late, and hsve been trying to reorganize the basement. I have come up with solutions for many of my storage problems, but I would like to hear what other people have come up with. I am currently also working on my website (not yet online) and hope to have pictures and explanations of storage solutions, as well as my collection. I have broken down the basic problems the computer collector generally faces when dealing with space. Any input and solutions for storage problems would be appreciated. As a collection progresses, it grows and expands, both in the mind of collector and the physical space it occupies. The latter is perhaps the biggest concern, especially when it comes to a collection of computers. Computers have a lot of properties that make them a problem to collect, store and organize: - Computers are large. This isn't always true, but they do take up a great deal more space than say, stamps. - There are lots of peripherals. The computer itself isn't normally very useful without the associated peripherals, such as monitors, keyboards, disk drives, terminals, printers, modems, etc. These peripherals are also rather large and hard to store. - There are lots of manuals. Computers, especially old ones, have a lot of associated documentation. These manuals generally take the form of three ring binders... lots of them. The documentation for all the software on an older minicomputer can easily take up two or three shelves. Manuals are also heavy, most cheap bookshelves can't handle it. - And don't forget the media. Allmost all computers use some form of removeable media, which comes in the form of floppy disks, tapes, disk packs, cartridges, optical disks, and more. These too must be stored and organized, and can present problems because improper storeage can damage some types of media, and some media is pretty unweildy and likes to roll off shelves, like nine track tapes. - And, last but not least, the spare parts. As the machines get older, spare parts become difficult to find, and the only source of replacement components tends to be other machines of the same or similar model. Therefore, spare parts must be accumulated *just in case*, since the chances of finding a part when you need it are slim. This presents the additional storeage nightmare of keeping all the spare parts organized. Disk drives, circuit boards, power supplies, broken/damaged machines, duplicate machines, and assorted parts pose an interesting organizational dillemma. Most parts stack poorly, or can be easily damaged. They normally need to be kept in some sort of anti-static bag, and are much more delicate than the complete machines, which have protective cases and can be stacked. Also, inevitably you will end up with forty duplicate spare parts, just in case. - Oh, I can't forget cables. Almost all computer equipment requires a large number of easily tangled, serpent-like items known as cables. Some of these are pretty standard, and can go with almost anything, like power cables or RS232 cables. Others are proprietary and make their associated device an electronic paperweight if they become lost or damaged. Cables are also notoriously hard to store. Anyone that has put up Christmas lights can vouch for this one. Even the most neatly stacked and coiled box of cables will turn into a hopeless tangle if left unattended. All theories of 'cable gnomes' aside, cables provide a difficult storeage problem, as they must remain untangled, yet easy to access if you are in the middle of working on something and realize that you need a SCSI cable *now*. So, what have other people's experiences with organization been? Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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DEC Server

by kleb_2003＠hotmail.com

Hi Stuart I was recently given two DEC Server 100's. I was wondering if you could help me find some information on these devices and what they were, and could be used for. Thank you Caleb _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get five times more storage - 10MB in your Hotmail account. Click here http://join.msn.com/

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floppy drive

by gj.killinger＠austin.utexas.edu

Hello Do you still have any 8" floppy drives? with cables?? let me know..thanks gary.k

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UCSD P-Code and Pick for IBM PC/XT/AT

by jwstephens_2000＠yahoo.com

Ibm had a distribution of the Pcode and UCSD pascal that came in the same beige / pink boxes that Dos was in. I have that set. Pick started out with support on the PC for the XT and followed with their "classic" virtual port thru a release called R-83M. Licenses are not transferable, but if you find a site with the disks, you may be able to reinstall if you get all their notes. They may not be sold directly, so you should doubt authenticity of sale of anything but current product. Pick is now "Raining Data" and was merged with a rinky dink company that made a Mac database called Omnus. The current powers that are there are trying to get the most from the Omnus side of the business, which has been turned into yet another company that ran amuck and decided to put out the end all "4th gl" development package other than do their original product. Pick / Raining data support a release which predates the merger called D3. Concurrent with the R83 Pick Pc releases, there was a lot of work on another system by Pick which was called Open Architechure, and later Advanced Pick, and finally after porting from a standalone install to a release that runs on top of various host Unix type OS/s now D3. I think there is a standalone D3 available with limited driver support. the hosted version also runs on most Server type windows systems as well. I am sure someone from the pick community can correct this posting if need be. It became an impossible task to support all the hardware variants that exist as a standalone bootable system since driver code is never been designed to be OS independent. So the OS that dominates (now MS, in the past Unix and MS) gets the support from the hardware people and all the Pick / Beos / whatever OS's get screwed unless they are very limited to the generic support. for more Pick info or questions better answered by current players, please see usenet group comp.databases.pick which is inhabited by a nice group of developers and users most of the time. I know there are UCSD pascal usenet groups, but I don't know the current state of the groups, they may be zombies, dead, or taken over by weirdos. Jim

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DOS 3

by vdhb.belgium＠pandora.be

Dear Mr. Fuller Please let me introduce myself: My name is Jaap van der Horst and I live in Belgium. One of my friends is desperately looking for DOS 3.0 or higher. I am not very good at working the net but I believe you did sent out a msg expressing the same request. Should you meanwhile be in possession of this operating system could you please let me know how we can obtain a copy. Thank you and kind regards, Jaap van der Horst

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Gridcase 1520

by jkrywalski＠adelphia.net

Am at a loss as to where to look for help on this one. Recently aquired a Gridcase 1520 for some old DOS programs that I still need to run to interface with some machine PLC's. Need to boot from the "A" drive because the software can't be installed on the "C" drive. HOW DO I GET TO THE BIOS SETTINGS?.... I've tried all the normal stuff, CTL.S, ALT.S, etc., but nothing I do works...... (Have also tried to swing a cat over my head three times while facing east, but that only resulted in a clawed arm on my part!) Thanks in advance..............

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9121 vs 9122

by jwest＠kwcorp.com

Ok, if both 9121 and 9122 use the same media, what is the difference between these two drives? Jay West

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Xerox 6085 SW and HW

by giarmy＠earthlink.net

Kathy, I wonder if you still have the Xerox 6085 software. Mine wants me to scavenge the volume using the disk, VP Scavenge. Do you have it? I would also be interested in the 6085 and the 4045 printer, if they're in good working order. Francis Baker POMIL Research Analyst PO Box 3541 Warrenton VA 20188 (540) 347-7469 giarmy(a)earthlink.net >From =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen Tue Sep 2 19:55:01 2003 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen (=?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:39 2005 Subject: Comodore SX64 monitor help needed. In-Reply-To: <20030821101029.GA197093(a)earthlink.net> Message-ID: <E19u4ay-0001fh-00.stephenj-mail-ru(a)f16.mail.ru> i have an SX64 with a dead monitor, can anybody point me in the direction of a schematic? there seems to be schematics of the logic section around, but i cant find the monitor sheets :(

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Intergraph boards - anyone want?

by shirker＠mooli.org.uk

I have the motherboard (1xVME) and "Mesa" graphics boards (3xVME) from a 6800 Series if anyone wants them. Free, you pay shipping or collect. Please forward this to anyone you know who is interested in Intergraph computers - thanks! Boards are located in UK. Ed. -- I remember why I started becoming less tolerant, and I think I should strive to become less tolerant in future. - RobA

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1985 computer "pioneer" interviews

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

I recently re-discovered about 2.5 hours worth of audio tapes I recorded in 1985 (mostly at NCC in Chicago), including interviews with Roger Melen (Cromemco), Maury Goldberg (MiniMicroMart), Carl Helmers (Byte Magazine) and a lecture by Roger Amidon (TDL). In the interviews, I was trying to get info on the pre- and early Altair days; I wasn't always too successful, but the diversions are interesting as well. The one that hurt the most was Helmers asking me if I had spoken with Gary Kildall. Gary was in attendance and promised to talk with me but he never showed up at the appointed time. I've copied the tapes as mp3's but there is still about 144 MB of material. What's the best way to share this material? I'll post them to my website if people want to download them but that's a lot of stuff. If you want a CD, you can send me $5 via PayPal to cover materials and postage and I'll burn copies and mail them to you (outside the US at whatever the postage costs). I'm on digest so you may want to reply to me directly. Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA jack.rubin(a)ameritech.net

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BOGEN model CHS-60A Amplifier Installation Manual

by kb0cw＠earthlink.net

Hello Chris, I understand that you have an installation manual for the BOGEN model CHS-60A Amplifier. I would like to know if you could share it with me? Thanks, Alfred Dodds Laguna Niguel, CA kb0cw(a)earthlink.net

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Looking for HP 10342B Bus Preprocessor software

by simon-ulbrich＠gmx.net

Hello Glen, I'm searching for the Software for the HP 10342. I have read your posting from Dec 26 08:12:15 2002 Could you please send me the .zip, too There was another posting about the manual for the 10342B. Did you or s.o. else publish it? I've manuals for all components of my LA and Preprocessor except for the 10342... If noone published it, can you tell me how to setup the S3 and J5 on the board? Thanks Simon Ulbrich

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Tektronix 4054

by Wolfgang.Noszek＠telekom.de

Hi Monty, I'm from Germany and I also have a 4054. My problem is, that I can get no doks for the system - can you help? Wolfgang

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Old manual got wet

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, here is the problem: I have an old manual which spent some time in water, and now after it dried out, I have more or less just a piece of wood :( So, how do you guys deal with something like that ? Put it in water again, and try to remove page after page ? Any better ideas ? cheers

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7 track tape drives

by aek＠spies.com

I have a copy scanned, will try to get it over to www.spies.com/aek/pdf/kennedy in the next day or so. I have a 9000 manual scanned as well. -- done..

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7 track tape drives

by aek＠spies.com

> July 1987, 93-09100-999, for model 9100, part 192-9100-081, std interface, > 75 ips, 800/1600 cpi 9 trk. I have three of these beasts to maintain - one on my 11/44 system, two for 'partz'. I'd love to have the manual.. I can copy/return, or copy forward to archivist... -- I have a copy scanned, will try to get it over to www.spies.com/aek/pdf/kennedy in the next day or so. I have a 9000 manual scanned as well.

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Cool finds! Mutltibus weather computer

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Went out this past weekend and found several interesting items. The weirdest is a Kavouras Triton SX computer built by Kavouras in Minneapolis. This thing is a Multibus computer and has a bunch of ports on the back, including a lot of video, sync and color ports. Also ports for terminal, MODEM, tablet, control and <B>Doppler</B>! I searched the net and the only thing that I could find out about Kavouras was that they deal with weather forecasting and broadcasting. Finally found this link, <http://www.kktv.com/station/jobs/381481.html>, and realized that what I have is probably a computer used to generate graphics for weather forecasting. Neat! Probably too unique just to scrap for parts. Anyone interested in it? I'll swap for something useful/interesting or sell it for a few bucks. Has a hard drive and floppy drive in it. It looks complete but some of the cables have been unplugged from the cards and I don't know where they go so I haven't tried to power it up. Joe PS other finds included two dedicated computers with a pile of PC/104 cards in them.

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Alpha PC64 hardware question...

by dwoyciesjes＠comcast.net

This system may not be 10 years old, but hopefully someone can answer this for me anyway... Quick one here. I have one of those EB64/PC64 motherboards, but only a 200MHz CPU for it. Problem is, the board is set up for a 266MHz CPU. Has anybody overclocked a 200MHz CPU to 266 in one of these? With appropriate fans for good cooling, of course. Also, these boards can run off of a regular AT style power supply, correct? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818

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IBM 60

by majordomo1＠cox.net

By my fault. By my fault. By my grevious fault. Please disregard my blather about the need for the IBM whatever 60. I was the middle-man for a restauranteer whose point-of-sale computer had gorked and jumped to you guys without viewing his layout. Turns out it was a dinky running PC Dos. His 30 employees have been using scratch pads. Forgiveness is begged. .. harry .. > > From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> > Date: 2003/08/29 Fri PM 11:01:21 EDT > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 60 > > The IBM 360/60 was never really a product.. try again. > > -- > > > BTW, weren't the 360/60 and 360/62 as evanescent as the 64 and 66? And wasn't there > > a 360/70 that also quickly disappeared? > > The original lineup was the 30, 40, 50, 60, 62, and 70, with a vague promise of a 92. > > The 60 and 62 were the same CPU (2060), but different core-memory units (2360 and > 2362). The 70 used hardware similar to the 60 and 62, but was all hard-wired, with no > microprogramming, and used the superior 2362 core. > > The original S/360's took a long time to be delivered, and, a year later, some of the > hardware specs were no longer competitive. The 60 was dropped altogether, and the 62 > and 70 were replaced by the 65 and > 75. Out of them all, only one 62 was ever shipped to a customer. At the same time, > the 92 was dropped, to be replaced by a vague promise of a "90 series", later > realized in the 91, 95, and 195. It was also about this time that the original > 2.0-microsecond 30, with lights in the front like the other 360's, was largely > superseded by the 1.5-microsecond > 75(1), with lights behind a flat panel like a 1401; though the > 76.-microsecond version was never officially discontinued, and was shipped in large > enough numbers that there were 2.0-microsecond 22's offered (the 22's were > reconditioned 30's, offered while the 370/115 and > 77/125 were not yet ready), it was rare (I never saw one). > > But in the meantime, the need for large-scale timesharing had resulted in the > announcement of virtual-memory versions of the 60 and 62, to be called the 64 and 66. > As part of the same restructuring, these were withdrawn a month after they were > announced, to be replaced with the 67. > > Of the original April, 1964, 360's, only the 40 and 50 ended up being shipped in > large numbers.

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7 track tape drives

by TRASH3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Well, here is the list of manuals for tape drives and formatters. I have a couple of controller manuals at work (emulex/dilog qbus ) And yes, Al, you can borrow any of the manuals to make an archive. I'll let you know exactly what I have for tapes to read in the next week or so. Thanks. Cipher Technical Manual 799816-004, rev c. M890 Cachetape Unit Volume 1, operation and Maintenance, jan 1984. Cipher technical manual 799816-003 revision g Model F880 Magnetic tape transport volume 1 operation maintenance, August 1983 Digi-Data Microprocessor-controlled Formatter operation Manual, 0552580-0000 1980 Digi-data D.M.A magnetic tape interface for PDP-11 operation and maintenance manual, 0552521-0000, 1980 (UCI, Unibus compatible interface.) Digi-data Syncronous transport operation and maintenance manual, model 1140, 1640, 1740 and 1840, 0552457-0000 3/81, 40 series magnetic tape transport. Same as previous, but from 8/80. Pertec Phase encoded formatter, model f6x9, manual 101399, specifically model f649-40, copyright 1971. Kennedy model 9100 Digital tape transport operation and maintenance manual, July 1987, 93-09100-999, for model 9100, part 192-9100-081, std interface, 75 ips, 800/1600 cpi 9 trk. Pertec, Models t6x40 and t6x60 syncronous write, syncronous read tape transports, operating and service manual 100884, for model t6840-9, copyright 1978. Pertec, looks like the same as above, different transport serial number. Datum, peripheral equipment division, model 5091 nrzi formatter, instruction manual 1800.6, series 5091 magnetic tape formatter systems,around 1976 Datum, peripheral equpment division, model 5091 1600PE formatter, instruction manual, publication 1803.8, series 5091 magnetic tape formatter systems, also about 1976 Wangco MOD 11 NRZI moagnetic tape transport operation and maintenance manual 201086 E, october 1974. Wangco MOD 10 magnetic tape transport operation and maintenance manual 200237, June 1972 same as the MOD 10, but December 1973, labeled on the outside MOD 10A, but cover sheet says MOD 10. Wangco MOD 10 PE or MOD 10 PE/NRZI magnetic tape transport operation and maintenance manual, 200951, May 1974, but inside it says Perkin-Elmer MOD 10 magnetic tape transport, PE and PE/NRZI, 200951-001 Wangco MOD 10PE or MOD 10 PE/NRZI operation and maintenance manual, 200951K, February 1976 That's all for now. Regards, Joe Heck

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Heathkit H-11 Manuals Needed

by bob＠jfcl.com

Has anyone scanned the manual for the H-11, HT-11, et al? I'd appreciate a pointer if someone has. Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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