- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I've recently run across some "MBR Products Inc." systems, which appear to be controllers used in structural (like building materials) testing systems, and included an MTS 442 and MTS 438 (436?) "Controller" in one of the racks with the MBR units. As far as I can tell, the MBR machines are S-100 bus based rackmount machines, with a built-in keyboard and video display, and an 8" floppy drive connected to some of them. There's also some other smaller MBR systems with no drive attached, but they didn't easily come apart for me to see inside them : ). Does anyone know anything more about these things? They look like they might just be a generic S-100 bus system with some special peripheral I/O for data capture/controlling. The processor board is a CompuPro board with a Z80B on it, for instance. Thanks for any information! Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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VR241A

by vcf＠siconic.com

Is anyone interested in a DEC VR241A (color RGB monitor)? If so, it's yours for 1.2 * shipping. Contact me privately, please. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 5 months

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ADMIN: another RFC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 29, 17:54, Jay West wrote: > This guy asked nicely to join the list.. I asked him what he collects and > below is the response I got. As I said before, I don't intend to post these > kinds of emails to the list, but this one I'm a little torn on and not sure > what to do. Do you guys think this person should be on the list? Let him on > with a warning? I'm kinda leaning towards "no", but... You guys tell me! I lean towards the "yes, but.." side. How much harm can he be? Might one or two people get something out of it? Might his subscription succumb to bit rot if he misbehaves? I've seen his name somewhere else but I can't think where, offhand. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 5 months

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Dealing with the Press

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

The local paper has asked for an interview about my collection. They're asking the usual why and how much is it worth. Any words of caution when dealing with the press? Anything that I should make a point to emphasize? mike -- Ottawa, Canada Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600

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HP 262x terminal help sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I have a 262x HP terminal, think it's a 2624. It is the "ET head" style. I got it years ago and stuck it in a corner of the basement, and just got it out to clean it and get it up and running. It now has lots of white spots under the glass. Looks like mold to me. Nice perfectly round dots. But the thing is they are UNDER the glass. Is anyone familiar with this terminal enough to tell me if it's now dumpster material or can this glass be reached under or taken off somehow? Thanks in advance! Jay West

22 years, 5 months

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pdf archive back on line

by aek＠spies.com

The archive has moved to one of the archiving domains that I have, so please change any links you have to: www.bitsavers.org/pdf --al

22 years, 5 months

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list change

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 22:22, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Because it's not two lists. It's two views of the same list -- > It's sort of like Quantum Physics. Only more complicated. Yup, more uncertainty principles :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 5 months

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WTB: SCSI cable (OT)

by jrice54＠charter.net

I'm looking for a SCSI cable. I need one that is a HD68 with screws to Centronics 50 with the upper 9 bytes terminated. I haven't been able to find one locally in Dallas. It is for a (OT) Octane to Sgi SCSI-1 CD-ROM -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html

22 years, 5 months

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HP 82161A Digital Cassette Drive found

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

> HP 82161A Digital Cassette Drive. Klassieker. Voor HP programmeerbare > rekenmachines, b.v. 41C of 75C. Met 4 mini cassettes. Incl. USA voeding Is this of any interest to anyone? Its in Holland, but I can go grab it for whoever wants it. Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 5 months

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sticky Sony 3.5" drive

by vp＠mcs.drexel.edu

Since pictures are always better, check these instructions made by Mike Davis http://www.msdsite.com/forums/tutorial.php?tu_action=view&uid=500 **vp

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com> > ---snip--- > > Tolerate the Googlers - most folks DO NOT KNOW what a mailing list is or >how it works, so yes, they think they're replying to an e-mail - how else >would they know??? You guys who are so down on every one of these type >posts are getting just a bit old-net-school elitist and curmudgeonly... >just DELETE the damn things and get on with your life... it's not like >there a hundred posts a day - "I saw your message about VCF 1 and I'd like >to know where it is and..." > Hi John You seem to miss the point. These post do not seem to be coming from people that are actually looking for help or anything related to classic computers. I have responded to about ten of these before giving up. I all ten cases, I did not receive one reply, even though I offered to provide the help or information they requested. This leads me to believe that these are not just honest post from fellow computer people but some form of address mining operation. I could be wrong but I still waiting to see. Dwight

22 years, 5 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

This is exactly the kind of non-member posting that I've been complaining about. Artfromny is not a computer collector, he is a well known seller of Fluke pods on E-bay. He doesn't want these for repairing classic computers. He wants them to sell on E-bay. Joe At 08:23 AM 10/27/03 -0800, Gene wrote: >Oh look, the idiot trap caught another one.... > >g. > > >On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Art Mallet - Artfromny - formerly A218(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Hi I saw a vectorlist mention that you had Fluke pods. >> >> Please quote for >> >> quantity 2 - 9000A-8085 >> quantity 2 - 9000A-6809 >> >> Please include air insured shipping to US zip 12118. Payment will be made >> in >> certified funds in advance of shipping. Thank you >> >> Art Mallet >> >> Art >> NOTE: The tax message below applies only to items that I am selling NOT >> items that I am buying or have bought or won on eBay. >> If I have posted an item for sale or this email is in reference to an item >> that I have for sale, >> NY State sales tax of 7.25% applies to all sales shipped to a NY State >> address or >> picked up at my warehouse. >> >> > >

22 years, 5 months

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Digital cards list (was: hardware/books clearout)

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, Sorry its taken me a while to get round to listing the DEC cards I've got - it's half-term school holiday here so we're entertaining our little one :) This is all of them I think; there's a DEQNA and some RL02 logic/spares I'm keeping for my own RL02 for when I get it running on my PDP....heh.... All these came from storage in an electronics workshop but that's no guarantee they're in working order. The List: --------- Pro 380 floppy controller Pro 380 DECNA network card Oak Technology VGA, EISA card. (it's in the same box) M9058 MicroVAX disk distribution card M7546 TQK50 controller M8067 MSV11 memory, 2 off M8190 PDP 11/83 KDJ11-B cpu M8061 RLV12, 2 off M7621 MicroVAX memory M7606 MicroVAX II CPU M8189 PDP 11/23+ KDF11-B CPU, 2 off M7555 RQDX3 disk controller, 2 off M7559 TQK70 controller M8190 PDP 11/23 KDJ11 CPU, 2 off M9047 Grant continuity cards, 4 off but damaged purple tabs on all. There's also an H7848-BB PSU which I assume is from a MicroVAX 2000 or DECmate. Best offer after a week gets 'em. I'll contact those of you who've offered on the books and CDDS sets in the next day or so. cheers! -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(

22 years, 5 months

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Manuals up for grabs

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've placed a number of 'classic' manuals up on E-pay. Among them are the DHV11 Technical Manual, the Installation and System Management guides for RSTS/E 9.7, the user's manual for the VAXstation 3100/M38 and for the VT220, and other nice goodies. You can do a 'Search by Seller' on 'bftbell' (sans quotes) if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith)

22 years, 5 months

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list links fixed

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I "upgraded" the custom classiccmp pages that Jeff Sharp wrote so that they now have the right post actions and variables set for the newer version of mailman. So now you can start at www.classiccmp.org and navigate to the lists, or just go to www.classiccmp.org/cctalk.html or www.classiccmp.org/cctech.html and things should work fine. I tested the "edit options" as well as subscribe/unsubscribe for both lists. On to the next problem! Oh, and my inbox is finally down a bit... just under 1000. WOOHOO! Jay --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 5 months

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How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on yo ur w all!)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Well, I do not know (did not check...) the PDP-10 support in SIMH *if* it is available. Otherwise you could add the PDP-10 :-) I am still working (though it's been a year since I actually have spent time on it) on a self-made PDP-11/40 console that can be connected to E11. However, that would also require some work to be done by John Wilson. Within a few months I will start work on the adaptation of the SIMH code to include this *real* console. E11 support is for later ... For an impression see www.pdp-11.nl click the link "homebrew PDP-11". - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Corda Albert J DLVA [mailto:CordaAJ@nswc.navy.mil] > Sent: maandag 27 oktober 2003 20:30 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can > hang on your > w all!) > > > Any chance you guys might try do this for a PDP-10? ;-) A KA10 front > panel would be a bit bigger, but would provide plenty of > room for the more complex emulator circuitry... > > And yes, I know there are software-based '10 emulators, but for > some reason I can't explain, I've always desired a hardware-based > 10 emulator (like the XKL, only affordable). > > -al- > -acorda(a)1bigred.com

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AT&T 6300s

by r_a_feldman＠hotmail.com

(My apologies if this is a double post, but I'n not sure it sent on the first try.) The 6300's had a number of oddities. As mentioned by others, the video was non-standard and power to the monitor came through the video cable, not through a separate line cord. This was true of _most_ units, as where I worked we had some 6300's with separate EGA cards and regular EGA monitors. You could also remove the standard card (while also disconnecting the monitor power line and setting some jumpers) and use your own card. Many programs (e.g., Lotus 123, Borland Reflex) had special video drivers for the 6300. The keyboard used a 15 pin D connector. IIRC, Keytronic made a replacement keyboard for the 6300. The clock/calendar stopped working correctly at the start of 1988 (IIRC). You could get a CLOCK.SYS device driver to set the proper year. Most of the hard disk drives I saw were standard half height 5 1/4" Segate models (225's ?). The floppy disk controller was integrated into the mother board. It could be disabled, but that took some doing. On a number of our machines, I added a 2nd floppy -- a 3 1/2" -- in addition to the 5 1/4". This was a bit of a trick, as the case only has bays for two drives (1 floppy, one HD). What I did was mount the HD internall. You could only do this if all the cards were half length, as the drive sat over some of the unused card slots and against the ends of the half length cards. I used aluminum cut from a cookie baking sheet to make a support bracket. Putting the HD internal freed up the second drive bay for the 3 1/2" drive. I also used a drive controller from JDR Micro Devices that had its own BIOS that coexisted with the built-in controller and added the extra drive after the internal ones, making the 5 1/4 drive both A: and B:, the 3 1/2 C: and the hard drive D:. The expansion slots were on a board that was mounted back-to-back with the mother board. Taking off the top of the case exposed the power supply and card slots. There was a separate cover plate _under_ the case that covered the mother board. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

22 years, 5 months

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Dealing with the Press

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net> > >evan wrote: >> In fact, local newspapers are still the >> heart of American journalism, and most do a superb at >> covering their regions and small towns, in a way that >> the AP or CNN never will be able to do. > >In my local paper they get stuff wrong all the time. Many times they >don't spell correctly, either. Hi I thought I might add that our local newspaper also creates many contrived stories. Although it would seem to the general reader that they were getting better coverage, most of the stories are misleading. Almost all of the quotes are taken >from context and were not even originally spoken in terms of the created story. It is called freedom of the press. I tend to call it fraud. I don't consider fiction as useful information regardless of how close to home it is or what cause it promotes. Dwight > >> There were other comments that are really wrong. >> "Don't look them straight in the eye" is just silly. > >That post was a bit confusing, but it wasn't talking about not looking >the reporter in the eye. It was talking about not looking the crazy >collector in the eye. I think it was Sellem that followed that up with >chewing his way through a fence to get to a computer. > >I don't think anyone here thinks 100% of the press are idiots. It's >just that the majority were English/Journalism majors, so they have a >background very far removed from the background of most list members. > >Chad Fernandez >Michigan, USA > >

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > ---snip--- > > >> >>Remember, the list is here to try to HELP people with classic computer >>stuff, which includes giving/selling stuff to people that need/want it. >>It annoys the hell out of me everytime I see this topic pop up, after Jay >>has already explained what's going on. > > And it annoys me to have to wade through piles of messages from clueless >people asking for or about things that happened so long ago that I don't >even remember what the conversation was about or who posted it. on top of >that, I've tried helping a number of them and 99% of them never have the >courtesy to reply. One batch of CC list messages that I got this weekend >had nine messages in it and SEVEN of them were this type messages. Frankly >I get tired of the "I see you have an Altair. I'll take it if it's free and >you're willing to pay the shipping and guarantee that it works." type >messages. > Hi The problem seems to be that there is some ulterior motive for these post. The fact that none reply indicates that these people are after something other than help from list members. What that is, I don't know. I have stopped replying to these until I know what they are up to. It could be some form of address gathering but the messages indicate that they took some time to compose the message ( although the content tends to lack knowledge of the subject ). It is possible that there is some kind of AI application harvesting addresses from replies. The messages have just enough similarity to let me believe this might be true. Dwight

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HP cable sought

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Looking for the cable that goes from an HP2100/1000 cpu to a 2895B paper tape punch. I can fabricate one from spare cables, but I'd rather get an original. Anyone have one to trade? Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

22 years, 5 months

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Why am I unsubscribed?

by jrice54＠charter.net

Why am I unsubscribed from both lists?

22 years, 5 months

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Digital BA363 Personal Storage Shelf

by david_comley＠yahoo.com

I pulled one of these out of the trash a while back and finally got around to trying it this weekend. I installed three disks but it seems unresponsive. Maybe that's why it was in the trash - but before I give up on it is there anything unusual about the SCSI interface on these devices ? None of the disks responded to a SCSI probe. -Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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PDP-11/23

by pat＠purdueriots.com

Hey, I just got a random email from someone that's selling one of these over in the UK. As that's a bit far for me, and the machine looks like it's in awesome shape, I though I'd send the info to the list incase someone on the other side of the pond was interested. The seller claims it "was never used", and it looks fairly well loaded. I've got no affiliation to the seller, just passing this on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Their message: Hi, Just to let you know that we are selling a Digital DEC PDP 11/23 machine on eBay and we thought you may be interested. ?If you would like to have a look, please click on the following: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2568418690 Many Thanks for your time, Richard J. Brain ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

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PDP-11/23

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

In that case, would you have a switch for an older AT power supply that has all 4 bayonettes pointing directly aft, instead of at 90 degrees to the switch? ___ ___ --|___|:: --|___| : : Needed config Normal config Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:12 AM To: jwstephens(a)msm.umr.edu; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: PDP-11/23 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, jim wrote: > > And if you don't have the time or energy to watch eBay then they probably > > don't care either way. eBay has a search tool. > > that sucks. it only searchs for full word matches and literal matches. > > I think that items that are rare (that is subjective) should be posted > here, especially if in the poster's opinion, the rest of the list may > not find it. Or use the Vintage Computer Marketplace since it's superior to eBay in too many ways to mention and is also tailored specifically for computer collectors. Spread the word. Tell all the people you buy vintage stuff from on eBay to use the VCM instead. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

22 years, 5 months

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list change

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 9:56, der Mouse wrote: > > Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! > > ...why not? I'd rather get two copies of stuff sent to both than no > copies of stuff sent to the oen I'm not on; that's why I subscribed to > both. Because it's not two lists. It's two views of the same list -- everything posted to cctech is automatically seen by cctalk; everything *on topic* posted to cctalk is also seen by cctech. In other language, cctech is a proper subset of cctalk (and cctalk is a superset of cctech). Therefore, if you subscribe to cctalk, you see everything, and your posts go to cctech if they're relevant; if you subscribe to cctech, you only see part of the list traffic, but everything you post is seen by every subscriber. What's worst is posting to both; then *everyone* gets two copies of what you post. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 5 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 28, 2:09, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > That being said, Jay: It'd probably be nice if the people realized they > were posting to a list when they tried to 'reply' to a message in the > archives. Would it be possible to make the mailto: link read "mailing > list" or something, instead of being the poster's name with the email > going to the list? ATM, how it's set up, it's easy to think you're > sending a message to a person, not a list of people. That's just my > suggestion (and perhaps it'll help out with these weekly threads). <aol> I agree :-) </aol> -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 5 months

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are there any Hauppauge 4860 motherboard owners?

by cpg＠aladdin.de

Hi, the Hauppauge 4860 motherboard holds 2 processors, one i486 and one i860. I've written a tool to run programs on the i860 that I want to share, and I'm also looking for other users of the board. You can find the loader tool at ftp://ftp.groessler.org/pub/chris/i860/hauppauge_4860/loader-0.50.tar.gz . regards, chris

22 years, 5 months

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hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :)

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyall, Is it me, or does this *often* happen right after the weekend? --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

22 years, 5 months

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(one) problem with list identified - please read

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I am not sure exactly what went on with this, but I am guessing that perhaps the old version of mailman had it's own templates and the new version uses different web templates, both of which are apparently active. If anyone is having problems logging in to change their subscription settings.... do not use www.classiccmp.org/cctech.html or www.classiccmp.org/cctalk.html Those two links are where the classiccmp website points to for modifying your membership. The correct links are: www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctech and www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk These two links will let you change your subscription options. These links aren't the "normal" way to get to it... since apparently the mailman website structure changed with the upgrade (and the old customized pieces from Jeff Sharp are still there) - the old pages do things wrong. I'll straighten it out shortly, but temporarily you can use the above two links! Jay West

22 years, 5 months

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list change

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Stan wrote.... > I hope it's setup a bit more leniently for existing subscribers. > I.e., it should be possible for a CCTALK subscriber to post to CCTECH > and vice versa ... for obvious reasons. But that's the whole point... if a cctalker posts to cctalk, he IS posting to cctech by doing so. He should NOT post to cctech directly or he will get rejected as he should be. And a cctecher posting to cctech IS posting to cctalk, just by posting to cctech. One more time... if someone posts to cctech, the list server automatically cross posts the same message to cctalk - for him - he doesn't need to do it. This happens instantaneously. If someone posts to cctalk, the list software posts the message to cctech as well automatically, but, it's held for moderation. Hummm Maybe to drive this point home I need to disallow posts to cctalk, and disallow posts to cctech email addresses for ANYTHING. Instead, everyone will have to post to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org, which is really what they should be doing anyway because there really isn't two separate lists. There is ONE list, but with two views. Jay

22 years, 5 months

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Wanted: CMS manuals

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

One of the other list members and I have a bunch of Exorbus cards made by CMS. He's trying to convince me to put together an Exorbus system with them. We have planty of cards but NO docs. Does anyone have docs for ANY of the CMS stuff? Joe

22 years, 5 months

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Can anyone ID this Digital board?

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I found this board at a scrapper's in a bin of circuit boards (I was looking for EPROM chips). This one had some interesting chips on it, but it also had those funny off center modular jack things, so I recognized it as Digital. What did this come from? My best guess would be a VaxStation, but I don't really know. I would like to get this machine functional (I always wanted something I could run VMS on). Can anyone help me with the pinouts of the power connector? Can I connect some sort of disk drive to boot from, or do I need some additional controller boards? What are the ports for, and how would I connect a terminal? Is it even worth the effort to try and rebuild this computer, or should I just continue on my quest for a VAX? Thanks! http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_1.jpg http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_2.jpg http://24.194.65.231/images/digital_board_3.jpg Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by wrljet＠yahoo.com

Cheapest machinery mover in the area wanted $800 to move the machine from the seller's location to my driveway. <snip> > They then backed it around the house and got it close to the building where > I wanted it, then extended the boom and set the lathe right at the end of > the building. (How I actually got it IN the building is another story!) The > whole operation only took about five minutes and they only charged about > $20. (I did give the driver a generous tip!) It was WELL worth it! > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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DEC InfoServer vs. VAX 3100 [results]

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyall, OK, here are the results of the Dutch jury :) We grabbed: - one InfoServer 150VXT - one VAXserver 3100 (low-profile model) and installed ESS V3.0 onto the InfoServer. That, obviously, works fine. We then cleaned up the 3100, and did a basic test on its functions... all OK, machine has 8MB, RZ23. Ripped out the extra I/O boards and the extra 4MB, to make it look more like a standard InfoServer machine. We put the IS ROMs into the 3100. Started up.. all looks good, just like it were an InfoServer. Next step: connect the hard disk (RZ24) of the InfoServer to the 3100. Set the boot flag to D0000000 (IS standard) and.. yay, off we go. We have an IS 3100 :) (actually, it reports itself as being an 150, so that all seems to work out fine.) We then connected another disk (a standard RZ23 104MB) and did an install of IS onto that disk. No problems there, either.. the ESS software assumes it's an IS150. So there. YES, IT WORKS. One caveat: this 3100 seems to want the console port MMJ port 3, unlike most others I have seen. ESS puts it on port 1, so, after booting the VAX into ESS, you have to re-plug the console terminal into port 1 to get to the ESS login prompt. Other than that, all works fine and as expected. Phase II now continues: will this also work on a VAXstation 3100, i.e., the other mainboard? Watch this channel for more updates... [this programme co-sponsored by The Coca-Cola Company] --fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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How about a PDP-10? (RE: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your w all!)

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Any chance you guys might try do this for a PDP-10? ;-) A KA10 front panel would be a bit bigger, but would provide plenty of room for the more complex emulator circuitry... And yes, I know there are software-based '10 emulators, but for some reason I can't explain, I've always desired a hardware-based 10 emulator (like the XKL, only affordable). -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com -----Original Message----- From: bob(a)jfcl.com [mailto:bob@jfcl.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:07 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: A real PDP-8 that you can hang on your wall! Many of you have already heard of the SBC6120, our single board PDP-8/E clone that you can build from a kit. The SBC6120 now has a complete lights and switches front panel, and the entire assembly, including a hard disk drive, is about 9" by 15" and 2 1/2" thick and can be framed and hung on the wall like a painting. You can see a photo of Debee with one at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/images/Debee%20and%20FP6120.jpg Everything is fully functional; all the lights and switches work as you'd expect and the SBC6120 is able to run most PDP-8 software including FOCAL and OS/8. You can read all about it on our web site at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm and http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm The entire project is open source, and you can download everything there is to know about the SBC6120 and front panel, including manuals, schematics, and firmware source code, from http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Download.htm If you like what you see then you can have one for your own wall, and we'd be happy to sell you a kit of parts to help you build one. Visit our web store for ordering information http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Store.htm Thanks, Bob Armstrong

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Help request: Impact printer by the digital group

by oldcomp＠cox.net

Hi all, I am in the process of restoring a 96 column impact printer sold by the digital group around 1977. (See my progress at: http://members.cox.net/oldcomp3/dgp/dgprinter.shtml) The first question I have is about the print head: Does anyone have any idea what, if anything, is the proper lubricant for a print head? What little lubricant I found on the heads felt like it might be a silicone grease of some kind. I have no idea if this was original lubricant or not. Labels I have found on other printers warn against oiling the print head, stating that the heads are lifetime oiled at time of manufacture. Next, I wonder if anyone on the list might have any information on the printer itself, which appears to have been manufactured by Practical Automation Inc., of Shelton Conn., or on the digital group electronics. Any ideas? -Bryan

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Northgate keyboard

by 1buckwheat＠earthlink.net

Hey, do you still have the Northgate keyboard? I'd be interested in purchasing if it you did. Thanks. Rick Adams

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list change

by cb＠mythtech.net

>> Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! > >...why not? I'd rather get two copies of stuff sent to both than no >copies of stuff sent to the oen I'm not on; that's why I subscribed to >both. I was under the impression that if you wanted ALL the email, you subscribe to cctalk. It gets the Talk messages as well as the Tech messages. And if you wanted just the subset of messages that are strictly on topic, you subscribe to cctech. So if you subscribe to both, then every single Tech message you get will be a duplicate of a Talk message. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Tandy 1000 HX Problem

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

I recently recieved a Tandy 1000 HX in beat up condition that I gutted to upgrade my mint condition version. I removed the memory upgrade card and installed it into my stock unit to give 640K memory. I installed one of the 3.5" drives from the beat up unit into my machine (2 drives there now) but the computer doesnt recognise it. Is there a jumper on the unit or software that is needed to setup the 2nd 3.5" internal drive? I connected the gutted unit up and it still tries to find the 2nd drive I removed so its not autodetected.

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Digital BA363 Personal Storage Shelf

by classiccmp＠crash.com

David Comley wrote: > > before I give up > on it is there anything unusual about the SCSI > interface on these devices ? None of the disks > responded to a SCSI probe. Nothing unusual about the outside of it. Normal old fashioned SCSI. I've got a couple of the BA353's, which are fast narrow and have HD50 connectors. Big flat thing with three bays side by side, the rightmost one of which can take a 5.25" device. Is what you've got a BA353, or is the BA363 different, like maybe a wide SCSI bus? I don't know the model for the PC mid-tower sized desktop units with room for a couple drives... --S.

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Fw: DISK DRIVE FILTERS

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Various people asked me for the source I got pricing from on air filters. Here's the scoop... ----- Original Message ----- From: BarbATairfilters(a)aol.com To: JWEST(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: DISK DRIVE FILTERS WE HAVE ALL THE FILTERS THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING- I ONLY HAVE THE RK O5 IN STOCK BUT THE REST WOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW DAYS TO GET- HERE ARE THE PRICES HP 7906 73.50 EA. RK O5 67.00 EA. 6061/6060- 66.00 EA. HP 7900A- 74.00 EA. HP 7906D- 74.00 EA. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME A CALL IF I CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU- 520-624-2272 AND ASK FOR BARBARA PALMER- THANKS-

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'moderator approval' Re: cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Ummm why am I seeing this? I didn't send the offending message and I'm sure this wasn't intended for the list.... and I don't subscribe to cctalk anyway! Mike http://www.corestore.org >From: cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26 >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:01:41 -0500 (CDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from huey.classiccmp.org ([209.145.140.36]) by >mc5-f26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 >10:02:31 -0700 >Received: from huey.classiccmp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9OH14gI029703;Fri, 24 >Oct 2003 12:01:41 -0500 (CDT)(envelope-from cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org) >X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRiin8eBT9NiqCriHHhjSd5+m >Message-Id: <200310241701.h9OH14gI029703(a)huey.classiccmp.org> >X-BeenThere: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech.classiccmp.org> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>,<mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech> >List-Post: <mailto:cctech@classiccmp.org> >List-Help: <mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech>,<mailto:cctech-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> >Sender: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Errors-To: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Return-Path: cctech-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 17:02:32.0468 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9D5CED40:01C39A50] > >Send cctech mailing list submissions to > cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > cctech-owner(a)classiccmp.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Your message to cctalk awaits moderator approval > (cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:54:45 -0500 >From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Your message to cctalk awaits moderator approval >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <mailman.126.1066967685.128.cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Your mail to 'cctalk' with the subject > > Decrease your CPU temperature up to 20C! > >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > >Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >this posting, please visit the following URL: > > >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/confirm/cctalk/4670ebe5ab8d23b380aa1bf2b3… > > >End of cctech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26 >************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

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list change

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm trying to wade through all the issues and get them caught up. One change of note... Posts from non-subscribers are now rejected, not held for moderation. So if you have been posting as a non-member, you will have to join. Also - this bears repeating... do *NOT* subscribe to both lists! Subscribe to one or the other. If you want to post from multiple email addresses, you have to subscribe all of them (TO THE SAME LIST), and set all but one for "no email". Thanks for hanging in there folks. Jay West

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

correct thats why the sp? :) going to be using these guys again .. the organ has to be moved >from the basement to the ground floor, and I have to move a 6' enclosed rack into the basement. I just wish they didn't make it look so easy ! -pete -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:14 AM To: General(a)internet1.net; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? Do you mean they were Samoan, Samoa? Somalian are from Somalia, in Africa. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Lancashire, Pete wrote: > A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), > originally

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Fastest Drum printer

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

Last night got into a good old days conversion about printers. I'm trying to find out what was the fastest drum printer. My belief is it was a model made by Burroughs where in times long ago i had a great time, ah still can remember knowing the status of a job by the squeal of the 5500's power supplies, sorry i slipped into memory. If I remember there was a printer, that in 1975 was considered old, but it was either 1,100 or 1,400 LPM with at Uppercase drum. I also remember the printer controller being about the same size as the printer. Character registration sucked, but if all you wanted was a something that would get trashed, it sure was quick. If you wanted quality output there was a new chain/train printer that was as good if not better then the 1403. Anyone can help ? -pete

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

give piano movers a try. I had a Hammond (guts same as a B3), its weight 450# plus 100# for the amp/speakers all moved for moved for $250. Their fee was $200 for the move and $50 for each set of stairs. >From memory, the size of what I was moving did not make a difference as long as it fit in their truck. A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), originally >from Hawaii. They got out all their moving stuff, but then took a look at the organ, two of them just picked it up with out any stress and carried it into the truck .. scary :) -pete -----Original Message----- From: Fred N. van Kempen [mailto:waltje@pdp11.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what > has been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. Heh. Heavy iron requires the use of heavy neighbors. Er. Did I just say that? Ahwell. Tis true. Although I can usually move the smaller stuff in either my own (sedan) car, or a small van, big stuff needs a truck with a not-too-high loading bay. I'd kill for a used U-Haul truck here, really... those, albeit ragged down, are perfect for loading up old iron... And, then, of course, the neighbors and friends come into the picture, 'cos at some point, the goods needs to be moved into a storage, garage, or, in my case, upstairs room :) (yes, that is always a neighborhood project here.. and they love it ;-) Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

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at&t 6310

by general＠emr.net

Hello, I've been trying for weeks to obtain some basic information about an AT&T 6310 personal computer I'm trying to restore. You seem to have one! All I need to know is what the following original parts were: hard drive drive controller card floppy drives (make, model, and face color) Any help you may be able to offer would be _greatly_ appreciated. It's amazing how little information or support there is for AT&T/Olivetti computers on the web or from AT&T, Olivetti, or NCR. Thanks much, Jim Carter

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eBay: SWTPC 6800 computer

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

For those of you who have spare cash this month (I just got stuck with a $150+ shipping bill that should have been ~$60.00), there is a SWTPC 6800 computer up on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2761984200 Starting bid is $300. Seems to have a fairly complete board set (though the system itself seems to have been modified somewhat). I'd guess that it had been used for some sort of data acquisition at some point. Not affiliated with seller, etc, etc. -Toth

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Testing undesired holds

by dave＠mitton.com

just a test... for Jay.

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How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Sounds like you are trying to move an sys/34? i tried a uhaul truck in the past, only to find that the metal ramp is just wide enough to allow the casters to lock on the the sides of the ramp. also ibm casters only move when they want and thier direction of travel is never the way you want them to go. what works for me? lumber in the form of 8 foot 4 by 6 cant's, a good chain fall and a trailer that has the wheels on eather side of it - not under it (keeps the weight of the load from allowing the trailer bottom deck to set down on top of the tires) the bridgeport page is the best example of this type of move. the chain falls? i use a second chain that is looped around two casters and 2x4's as levers if needed - my wooden trailer has a 3 inch hole in the back which allows a chain to pass through it on it's way to the tongue which is then wrapped around it - the chain falls go on the trailer side of the chain to pull the heavy metal on the ramps and into the trailer a forklift is the best way to load/unload heavy ibm metal from the trailer, if the forks are long enough or one picks up tje machine by the power supply end - ditto for all the sys3x series. Bill Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: vance(a)neurotica.com Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? To: JP Hindin <jplist(a)kiwigeek.com> Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours >from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what has > been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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