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by joezatarski＠gmail.com

> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 17:58, Joseph Zatarski via cctalk > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > I've started inventorying a lot of the stuff I'd like to pass on here: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19vhF-o6vx9g7l-D8cvLJ5OPJzpdmU9PTTkn… > > I can't see these in the Google sheet, for some reason: > > > -Mac network cards (nubus and one for IIsi or SE/30) as well as a couple > > other accessories (Dayna Mini Etherprint, AAUI transceiver, more > > accessories to come) > > I am interested in an SE/30 NIC and associated bits (transciever, > AppleTalk bridge). > > I am happy to pay international postage. I'm in Prague. > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 Hello Liam, The NICs I have are Asante brand. They are located in the Apple/Macintosh category. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19vhF-o6vx9g7l-D8cvLJ5OPJzpdmU9PTTkn… Unfortunately for you, sale is pending on the SE/30 NIC. If the sale falls through, you are in line behind one other person. I'm fairly confident that even if the first buyer falls through, the second in line will not. If you're still interested in the other accessories, I can have a look when I get home, get a few pictures put up for you, and we can continue from there. International shipping should not be an issue, filling out a customs form is not very hard. Best Regards, Joe Zatarski

6 years, 1 month

TOPS-20 networking

by athornton＠gmail.com

*TOPS-20* The set of config files you need to edit in TOPS-20 is found here, about halfway down the page: http://www.ldx.ca/notes/tops-20-notes.html I'll paste it here: Configuring the system The *Panda Distribution* README has this to say about initial configuration: You?ll need to edit the following files. EMACS is installed on this system, along with TECO and EDIT. [More on these editors later.] SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD to set your timezone SYSTEM:HOSTS.TXT to define your local host name and network SYSTEM:INTERNET.ADDRESS to define (again!) your IP address ? must be the same as in klt20.ini. Also define your netmask here as LOGICAL-HOST-MASK SYSTEM:INTERNET.GATEWAYS to define your IP gateway SYSTEM:INTERNET.NAMESERVERS Don?t bother with SYSTEM:INTERNET.NAMESERVERS. That is the configuration file for DEC?s resolver; although it?s simpler it has some interoperability problems with MMAILR which haven?t been resolved yet. SYSTEM:MONNAM.TXT to define your system name DOMAIN:RESOLV.CONFIG to define your DNS servers, your default domain (replacing MYDOMAIN.COM) and any users in addition to OPERATOR who can send control messages to the resolver. To actually edit any of those, you'll probably need to ENABLE first, eg: @ena $ The dollar-sign ($) prompt indicates that your privileges are enabled. *Linux Host* On the host side, I like to convert my ethernet to a bridge so I can add virtual interfaces easily. Here's the script I use (requires sudo, and that the user running it be in group adm, and that the tuntap devices be owned by and writeable by group adm): #!/bin/sh eth0text=$(/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet ") HOSTIP=$(echo "${eth0text}" | awk '{print $2}') HOSTNETMASK=$(echo "${eth0text}" | awk '{print $4}') HOSTBCASTADDR=$(echo "${eth0text}" | awk '{print $6}') HOSTDEFAULTGATEWAY=$(/sbin/route -n | grep ^0.0.0.0 | awk '{ print $2 }') # Change as we add more guest OSes with network stacks _maxtap=2 # for i in $(seq 0 ${_maxtap}); do /usr/bin/tunctl -t tap${i} -u adam -g adm /sbin/ifconfig tap${i} up done # # Now convert eth0 to a bridge and bridge it with the TAP interfaces /sbin/brctl addbr bridge0 sleep 1 /sbin/brctl addif bridge0 eth0 sleep 1 /sbin/brctl setfd bridge0 0 /sbin/ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 /sbin/ifconfig bridge0 $HOSTIP netmask $HOSTNETMASK broadcast $HOSTBCASTADDR up # set the default route to the bridge0 interface /sbin/route add -net 0.0.0.0/0 gw $HOSTDEFAULTGATEWAY # # bridge in the tap devices for i in $(seq 0 ${_maxtap}); do /sbin/brctl addif bridge0 tap${i} /sbin/ifconfig tap${i} 0.0.0.0 done For some reason this seems to work even though that should be group netdev. I guess because "adam," who is running the emulator, owns the tun/tap devices. I have this in /etc/udev/rules.d/99_net_tun.rules: KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev", MODE="0660", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" I don't think that's standard; I think I added that at some point. And then in klt20.ini, I have a statement that looks like: devdef ni0 564 ni20 ifc=bridge0 ipaddr=192.168.248.249 dedic=false And then finally the dnpni20 executable is setuid root. All of this together gives me a TCP/IP stack on klh10 that allows the emulator to run as me, not as root, and bridges the TOPS-20 host into my real network. Adam

6 years, 1 month

Panda TOPS20 networking trouble

by dave＠661.org

I'm having loads of trouble getting networking going with the Panda Distribution of TOPS20 and KLH10. Could someone point me to a step-by-step guide on doing this? -- David Griffith dave at 661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

6 years, 1 month

stuff for sale - recent move

by joezatarski＠gmail.com

>> >> Hi. >> >> I forgot to mention it?s an eye phone >> 11 PRO 256gb. > > I may be missing something -- *what's* an "eye phone"? I thought you > were listing vintage kit, not smartphones? > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 I believe Kevin replied to the wrong e-mail by mistake. He must be selling something himself and had a similar subject line. That said, no hits on my post yet? what, nobody needs nubus ethernet cards? or various ISA/PCI/PCI-X expansion cards? a dozen computer mice? DEC Alpha 4100 RAM? some nice combination SCSI/fastethernet cards? OK, I get that it's mostly junk ;), but no attention at all so far. Keep checking, getting more stuff in the list every day. I added a recent section so people can keep up on the recent additions without having to check the whole list. As before, I'm in the west suburbs of chicago in case anyone is local and sees some stuff they want.

6 years, 1 month

Wang 2200 Diskettes

by jgeorge＠nbi6.com

I bought some 8? diskette cases and they arrived with a bunch of old software for a Wang 2200 in them. One of the boxes HP was badly water damaged, and the diskettes are shot, but those look like backups of some company software. Diskettes that look like they may still viable include 2 marked ?WANG 2200 MVP Operating System v2.6.2? and one marked ?2200 MVP (Multi-user) BASIC-2 System Platter Release 2.5?. There?s also a box of diskettes of what look like source for something ?GBS Mod 1 Diskette Version?. I?m not a Wang person and I can?t use these diskettes for anything, does anyone on the list have any interest in them? Is the software worth rescuing or is it already archived somewhere? If anyone wants them, drop me an email off list. Gimme a couple of bucks to cover shipping and I?ll send you all the ones that look viable. Joe

6 years, 1 month

Westward

by cc＠informatik.uni-stuttgart.de

Hi, I'm looking for information about Westward graphics workstations, especially for the 2019 (from about 1983) and the 2220 (about 1987). Christian

6 years, 1 month

cctalk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22

by athornton＠gmail.com

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:00 AM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > >> Anyway, my Googling turned up nothing on the OS, although I did find a Robert Knight at Princeton, but no information on stuff he's done. I will likely email him to ask about it, but wanted to ask here first if anyone knows anything about it. >> When you do, please tell him Adam Thornton says ?hi.? I worked for him at Princeton for a while. IIRC he wrote the LPR RFC. Adam

6 years, 1 month

ISO National HPC microcontroller users manual

by aek＠bitsavers.org

National didn't document the opcodes for the HPC in the data sheets. Does anyone have the users manual? I found the DOS disks for the cross-assembler and c compiler tonight http://bitsavers.org/components/national/hpc

6 years, 1 month

Mac Performa 6214CD FTGH from San Antonio, TX

by mark.tapley＠swri.org

All, Next to go is a home-office setup. Mac Performa 6214CD, PowerPC CPU, 3.5? floppy and CD drive on front face Apple Extended Keyboard II (NO ADB CABLE) Apple Apple Desktop Bus Mouse II (round) Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display (matching, includes cable) APS external SCSI hard drive enclosure and cable (Centronix on the hard drive end, DB-25 on the Mac end) Epson Stylus Color 740 ink-jet printer with a spare (unopened) cartridge UMAX Astra 1220S flat-bed SCSI scanner (NO CABLE - DB-25 connector) Pile of accompanying software including at least: DeltaGraph Now Up-To-Date and Contact Sad Macs, Bombs and disasters Retrospect Backup Astra Scanner Driver All Free to a Good Home. You want this if: a) you can afford shipping or pickup from San Antonio, TX, 78254, and b) 15 years after ?Take this job and shove it? came out you finally acted on it, quit your job and set up your own home office and accounting business, and now you want to relive your glory days. All items working when decommissioned, about 15 years back. Fred?s ingenious guarantee (?Guaranteed not to work, double your money back if it does work?) applies. Please, please, please take this as a group, I really don?t want to split it up. If I locate the missing ADB or DB25 SCSI cables in time, I?ll include them, but I?ll double the price :-). FWIW, this was a companion of the Palm Pilot in my other post. - Mark 210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell

6 years, 1 month

Anyone heard of the S1 Operating System

by wrcooke＠wrcooke.net

Reading through the April 85 issue of Byte, I came across a reference to the "S1 Operating System." In Jerry Pournelle's column on pg 361 he talks about this mysterious OS. Here is a small excerpt: Robert Knight. formerly of Princeton's computer laboratories. is an old fan of my books and columns as well as the creator of SI. which he had running on an IBM Instruments CS9000 Anyway, my Googling turned up nothing on the OS, although I did find a Robert Knight at Princeton, but no information on stuff he's done. I will likely email him to ask about it, but wanted to ask here first if anyone knows anything about it. Thanks, Will

6 years, 1 month

Anyone heard of the S1 Operating System

by paul＠mcjones.org

Googling for "multisolutions inc. s1 operating system" turned up several mentions from ComputerWorld, an S1 operating system pin at Etsy, plus this blog post: http://mathisliberalarts.blogspot.com/2012/03/?m=0 > One day at Burroughs I received a phone call from a recruiter. Usually I don?t give these headhunters the time of day, but this one mentioned a startup company. It was either intrigue or boredom but I decided to interview. Then I was hired to write compilers which I had been doing for about six years at Burroughs. > > The company was a small startup in Lawrenceville, NJ. The CTO was a charismatic engineer named Robert Knight. The CEO was a wealthy businessman, Charles Lombardo, who provided most of the company?s funding. Somehow, maybe because Lombardo?s wife worked on Wall Street, our tiny company, MultiSolutions Inc., actually went public. Even though they actually did not have a product or a revenue stream. > > The product, under development, was an Operating System called S1. The marketing department used the slogan ?Unix is a dinosaur, MS-DOS is a toy.? This was in 1984 and it was true that there was an opportunity for a new OS in the marketplace. > > To kill any suspense, the OS never caught on. ... > Paul > On Feb 28, 2020, at 10:00 AM, wrcooke at wrcooke.net wrote: > > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:20:06 -0600 (CST) > From: wrcooke at wrcooke.net <mailto:wrcooke at wrcooke.net> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Anyone heard of the S1 Operating System > > Reading through the April 85 issue of Byte, I came across a reference to the "S1 Operating System." In Jerry Pournelle's column on pg 361 he talks about this mysterious OS. Here is a small excerpt: > Robert Knight. formerly of > Princeton's computer laboratories. is > an old fan of my books and columns > as well as the creator of SI. which he > had running on an IBM Instruments > CS9000 > > Anyway, my Googling turned up nothing on the OS, although I did find a Robert Knight at Princeton, but no information on stuff he's done. I will likely email him to ask about it, but wanted to ask here first if anyone knows anything about it. > > Thanks, > Will

6 years, 1 month

52-pin D-Sub?

by athornton＠gmail.com

I work at an astronomy facility. I get to do some fun dumpster diving. I recently have pulled out of the trash a plugboard with a male and a female D-Sub 52 connector. 3 rows of pins, 17-18-17. I took the connectors off the board: there's nothing back there, so this thing only ever existed so you could plug the random cable you found into it and its friends to see what the cable fit. I can't find much evidence that a 52-pin D-Sub ever existed. Is this just Yet Another Physics Experiment thing where, hey, if your instrument already costs three million dollars, what's a couple of grand for machining custom connectors? Or was it once a thing? (also posted to COFF) Adam

6 years, 1 month

G15 Drum Followup

by barry＠csguy.org

?Thanks for all the replies to my original post. I sold the heads separately along with a set of replacement cards and the remote display for $400. >From It?s operational days I know one of my drum?s long channels (not a register) is bad. The coating ?looks? ok but it?s been exposed (indoors) for decades with ample touching etc but there are no dents or scratches other than the bad channel. As some have said it ?seems? like a durable coating but I have no idea if it would work. I read somewhere there are 2 timing tracks put down at the factory. I have my doubts about this info (I thought the timing circuit laid down the reference tracks in the final stage of power up) but if true I would not expect my drum to work. I have the drum connected to a small motor and belt to spin it (slowly) for demo purposes. Anybody know what non-magnetic metal forms the drum? Stainless? Nickel? Cheers Barry original post: > Does anyone have an idea as to the value of a Bendix G15 Drum? Its time to pass mine to another caring collector who would appreciate it but I am not sure how of its value. Obviously it is rare but the market demand is unclear to me.

6 years, 1 month

(Free?) teletype model 32 in cincinatti

by billdegnan＠gmail.com

ANyone interested in a kind of beat up but complete model 32, and you're in cincinnati to get it today or this weekend let me know by sending me a message through my web site https://www.vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm This is the fairest way, it takes the requests with a timestamp. I will forward your info to the donor immediately, in order of receipt. He can send photos if you need them. On a scale of one to 10 it's in "4-7" condition depending on your taste. Has a built in phone and reader. (baudout) You must be able to physically go to this guy and pick it up this weekend. Bill

6 years, 1 month

Old tape data retrieval

by trash80＠internode.on.net

(Just reposting this as it did not appear to appear on the list - there was about a two week period when I didn't see any CCMP emails for some reason - apologies if it has already appeared for others). I apologize if this is OT but I'm hoping someone on the list can help me fill a gap in my knowledge. Quick back story - in 1995 my wife and I published a book on her family history. For anyone interested in genealogy, details are here https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2416803 I think we may have done the whole job end-to-end on a 486 before sending a file to the book printers (we published 500 copies) but my memory is vague on that point. Of course the last job I did on the book I backed up the whole thing (database files, image files, record and document scans etc) to a DC2120 tape. I've even found the tape: http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/interesting-finds/con… The wife says that its time for an update to the book so that means drop all other projects and see if you can get it back off the tape (with an implied now). I know that I used a software app called ResQ120 to run the tape drive. I can't find it (or any info) on-line other than the software came from Alloy but I suspect I have it here somewhere on a floppy disk so its only matter of time before I find that assuming the disk is still readable. Of course over time I have acquired other tape drives from various salvage/rescue sources but I believe this is the one I used: http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/interesting-finds/con… What I'm missing is this - I recall that despite the PC having a floppy controller I added a separate floppy (or similar or other) controller (card) for the tape drive (it might have even run on the same interrupt - I can't remember). As with most stuff, being a prolific rescuer I have acquired many ISA based cards over the years that appear to be floppy controllers but I have no idea what I'm looking for to run this tape drive. Any clues, info etc would greatly appreciated because I don't want to have to tell her that it can't be done and you wouldn't want to be around if she had to hear that :-) Thank you!! Kevin Parker

6 years, 1 month

4054 in Sacramento

by aek＠bitsavers.org

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTRONIX-Model-4054A-ALL-IN-ONE-Microcomputer-Vin… good price, it's BIG though..

6 years, 1 month

Bendix G15 Drum

by hills.barry＠gmail.com

Does anyone have an idea as to the value of a Bendix G15 Drum? Its time to pass mine to another caring collector who would appreciate it but I am not sure how of its value. Obviously it is rare but the market demand is unclear to me. thank you

6 years, 1 month

Buying external SMD cables for Sun gear

by aperry＠snowmoose.com

? As previously discussed here, I have a Sun 3/260 that connects to a Sun external storage subsystem containing two 8? SMD drives. The external cabling is a 0.7m D-sub 25-pin (male both ends) data cable for each drive and a paired set of 0.7m D-sub 25- and 37-pin (male both ends) command cables. These cables are straight through connections between internal ribbon cables from the drives (CDC 9720-368 and Fujitsu M2372) to the controller board (Xylogics 451 on a VME adapter). For reasons described below, I have been unable to buy the original Sun cables. Should off-the-shelf D-sub 25- and 37-pin cables work? I guess electrical shielding/noise could be a concern? As to why I am looking for alternatives, MemoryX has been my source for this kind of stuff, but they have lost my trust. I ordered a full set of cables from them on 2 Jan and they have gone silent responding to my queries on that order. Then this month they were selling a couple sets of the control cables on eBay. I bought the second set. They marked it shipped, left positive comments about the transaction on eBay, but the cable set didn?t arrive as scheduled last Friday and yesterday they cancelled the eBay auction and refunded what I paid, all without any explanation. They still list the cables on their website, each $100 more than what they were when I ordered them on 2 Jan. alan

6 years, 2 months

Parasitic Engineering Altair Clock Fix Kit...

by deramp5113＠yahoo.com

I scanned my Parasitic clock mod documents and put them at the link below. https://deramp.com/downloads/altair/hardware/altair_8800_computer/Parasitic… Mike

6 years, 2 months

Seeking Zenith Data Systems Z183-92 documentation

by jplist2008＠kiwigeek.com

Good afternoon all; I picked up a ZDS Z183-92 laptop over the weekend alongside a Kodak Diconix 150 portable inkjet printer. The prior owner doesn't think he ever had a power supply for the Z183, although he discovered that it does power up sort-of from the Diconix power supply wallwart(!) The underside of the laptop has "12V" - and nothing else - so my assumption is I need to find a 12V pack of suitable amperage. The Diconix supply is 9VDC. The 9VDC is enough to bring up the LCD and at least some of the internals (presumably the +5v ones) to have it _appear_ to POST, but neither of the disks sound like they're running (either the internal HDD or the 3.5" drive). I presume the internal HDD requires the +12v to spin up, but I haven't dug into it yet. Anywho - if anyone had any documentation on this machine I would very much appreciate a scan. Or just confirmation what the power supply is supposed to be outputting would be very helpful. Thank you! - JP 50441

6 years, 2 months

Classic computers, and peripherals offers in France

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Hello list, this might be of interest for list members located in France (Normandie) or close to it: There is seller who offers different types of classic systems. Micros as well as larger systems andwhat appears to be a punched card sorter from the 50s. He writes that he has more stuff and that he can send pictures upon request. Descriptions are in French, but google translate might help out... https://www.leboncoin.fr/recherche/?text=Informatique%20vintage&locations=B… Cheers, Pierre ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.digitalheritage.de

6 years, 2 months

HP 9000 Series 360 Thin LAN

by roger.addy＠charter.net

Hi All, I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin LAN" coax card to run a piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used.? I'm wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network?? If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would like to be able to transfer files and possibly print.? The file systems are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files.? Anyone have any thoughts?? Even if I could transfer files into another HP 9000 system it would be beneficial. Thank you, Roger A.

6 years, 2 months

cctalk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16

by frank＠tuccio.net

FWIW I have a copy of Version 3.11 from BCPR Services 1990 spec. Contact me off list if you're interested. Frank Tuccio KC2QQN frank at tuccio.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 04:14:37 -0800 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Looking for Extended Industry Standard Architecture Revision 3.10 Specification Message-ID: <2dcdf609-2997-b458-eb2a-115fec80f6a3 at bitsavers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 2/22/20 11:45 PM, Ali wrote: > I am surprised that after thirty or so years and many of the original "gang of nine" being gone the standard has not made its way into the wild..... I was as well, which was why I tried digging for it as much as I did Global Engineering's standards search is really bad. I wasn't able to determine if they actually still sell it and I assume BCPR is long gone. End of cctalk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16 **************************************

6 years, 2 months

Looking for manual for Panasonic KX-D4930

by mark＠markesystems.com

The Panasonic KX-D4930 is a ?Laptop Data Terminal?, which includes both a (non-backlit) LCD screen and a thermal printer in a laptop-like package. It was obviously intended to supplant the Silent-700, and in fact appears to do so quite nicely. It has an internal modem (Bell 212) as well as a 25-pin EIA connection, and can even be run from an internal 12-volt battery. However, either my Google-fu is exceptionally poor, or there?s truly no copy of its manual available on the Web. I do have the manual for the KX-D20, which is a VT-100 emulation cartridge for the terminal, but not the manual for the base unit itself. Specifically, I?m looking for the (non-VT-100) escape sequences that can control the terminal, if there are any. If anyone has a paper copy of the manual that could be scanned, I?d certainly appreciate it. In an ideal world, there would also be a service manual with schematics, but that?s probably too much to hope for... TIA! ~~ Mark Moulding

6 years, 2 months

VCF PNW 2020: Seattle, March 21st and 22nd

by mbbrutman＠brutman.com

Come join us at Living Computers:Museum+Labs next month for VCF PNW 2020! Here is what you can look forward to: - 24 exhibits, ranging from big iron to 8 bitters - 6 presentations including one from Bil Herd and one from Joe Decuir - Our first vintage computer typing contest! (Yes, it will be hilarious) - A consignment area for buying and selling treasure - The museum. A very nice museum at that. Details can be found at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw . Mike

6 years, 2 months

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