21 Feb
2020
21 Feb
'20
10:19 a.m.
Hi All,
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin LAN" coax card to run a
piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used.? I'm
wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network??
If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would
like to be able to transfer files and possibly print.? The file systems
are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files.? Anyone have any
thoughts?? Even if I could transfer files into another HP 9000 system it
would be beneficial.
Thank you,
Roger A.
21 Feb
21 Feb
10:32 a.m.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Roger Addy via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hi All,
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin LAN" coax card to run a piece of
equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used. I'm wondering if it's
possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network? If so, what could I do with it? I
found an adapter on Amazon. I would like to be able to transfer files and possibly print.
The file systems are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files. Anyone have any
thoughts? Even if I could transfer files into another HP 9000 system it would be
beneficial.
Assuming it's standard 10Base2 Ethernet, you need either a 2 to T adapter, a repeater
with BNC as well as RJ45 connectors, or a repeater with an AUI connector plus a 10Base2
AUI.
I still have tucked away somewhere a repeater with a couple of RJ45 ports plus a BNC port.
You'll also need at least one terminator -- most likely a 10BaseT repeater port is
internally terminated but the NIC almost certainly is not, meaning you'd have to hook
it up with a T connector that has a terminator on it.
Given the above hardware, you'd connect either to a 10/100 switch, or a 10/100/1000
switch. Supposedly Gigabit Ethernet devices are supposed to be backward compatible all
the way to 10 Mb Ethernet, but I'm not so sure this is at all common. But I'd
expect a 100 Mb switch to support 10 Mb Ethernet. (Any that don't probably aren't
worth using because such a major conformance failure suggests other failures might be
present as well.)
paul
23 Feb
23 Feb
2:48 p.m.
> I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin
LAN" coax card to run a piece of equipment.
[...]
Assuming it's standard 10Base2 Ethernet, you need
either a 2 to T adapter, a repeater with BNC
as well as RJ45 connectors, or a repeater with an AUI connector plus a 10Base2 AUI.
I just passed on a 10baseT hub with both RJ45s and a BNC connector - I knew I should have
grabbed it. However, I did grab a few AUI to 10BaseT converters that I'm probably
never going to need - drop me a note if you'd like me to ship one out to you. I'm
in the Seattle area, FWIW.
I did a lot of work on my 9000/300 back in the day. Now it sits in my closet waiting for
me to run NetBSD again...
-mike
21 Feb
21 Feb
10:47 a.m.
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin
LAN" coax card to run a
piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used. I'm
wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network?
If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would
like to be able to transfer files and possibly print. The file systems
are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files. Anyone have any
thoughts? Even if I could transfer files into another HP 9000 system it
would be beneficial.
Thinnet is "just Ethernet." All you need is some sort of transceiver to
connect it, and many old hubs have Thinnet ports right on them (my trusty
10baseT Allied Telesyn hub has such a port).
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11:02 a.m.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think I have the same model.
One other possibility, just in case you have that kind of gear: if you have any classic
(thick Ethernet) transceivers, you can connect a thick Ethernet cable to a thin one. Just
use an N to BNC adapter (barrel, not T connector as some fools at the magazine RSTS
Professional did years ago). You'd apply the thinwire cable length and station count
limits, in the unlikely event it matters. Terminate at each end (of the whole cable
assembly) as always. Both cables are 50 ohms, which is sufficient (the differences in
cable loss and propagation velocity are irrelevant).
paul
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a
"Thin LAN" coax card to run a
piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used. I'm
wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network?
If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would
like to be able to transfer files and possibly print. The file systems
are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files. Anyone have any
thoughts? Even if I could transfer files into another HP 9000 system it
would be beneficial.
Thinnet is "just Ethernet." All you need is some sort of transceiver to
connect it, and many old hubs have Thinnet ports right on them (my trusty
10baseT Allied Telesyn hub has such a port).
3:23 p.m.
New subject: Thinnet and Thinnet gear was Re: HP 9000 Series 360 Thin LAN
Thinnet is
"just Ethernet." All you need is some sort of transceiver to
connect it, and many old hubs have Thinnet ports right on them (my trusty
10baseT Allied Telesyn hub has such a port).
I think I have the same model. 
11:08 a.m.
The 360 seems to have a 15 pin AUI connector as well as the thin
connector so you can get a 10-BAseT transceiver and connect it to the
AUI that is what I did for my 380.? I don't think there is any support
for ethernet in things like Workstation BASIC you would likely need to
be using a OS like HP-UX
Paul.
On 2020-02-21 2:19 p.m., Roger Addy via cctech wrote:
Hi All,
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin LAN" coax card to run a
piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being used.?
I'm wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet
network?? If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on
Amazon. I would like to be able to transfer files and possibly print.?
The file systems are not compatible except for maybe ASCII files.?
Anyone have any thoughts?? Even if I could transfer files into another
HP 9000 system it would be beneficial.
Thank you,
Roger A.
11:20 a.m.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:19, Roger Addy via cctech wrote:
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a "Thin
LAN" coax card to run a piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not currently being
used. I'm wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network?
If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would like to be able to
transfer files and possibly print. The file systems are not compatible except for maybe
ASCII files. Anyone have any thoughts? Even if I could transfer files into another HP
9000 system it would be beneficial.
It's classic 10Mb/s 10BASE2 Ethernet over RG-58A/U. You can use a repeater to bridge
to 10BaseT twisted-pair Ethernet or 10BASE5 "thick" Ethernet. It is also easily
(if non-standardly) adaptable to 10BASE5 "thick" Ethernet with a passive BNC to
N barrel adapter on short segments of each, the on-the-wire modulation is close enough to
work.
-Frank McConnell
22 Feb
22 Feb
6:20 a.m.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Frank McConnell via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:19, Roger Addy via cctech wrote:
Not merely "close enough" but "identical".
paul
I am using an HP 9000 Series 360 with a
"Thin LAN" coax card to run a piece of equipment. The LAN connection is not
currently being used. I'm wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern
ethernet network? If so, what could I do with it? I found an adapter on Amazon. I would
like to be able to transfer files and possibly print. The file systems are not compatible
except for maybe ASCII files. Anyone have any thoughts? Even if I could transfer files
into another HP 9000 system it would be beneficial.
It's classic 10Mb/s 10BASE2 Ethernet over RG-58A/U. You can use a repeater to bridge
to 10BaseT twisted-pair Ethernet or 10BASE5 "thick" Ethernet. It is also easily
(if non-standardly) adaptable to 10BASE5 "thick" Ethernet with a passive BNC to
N barrel adapter on short segments of each, the on-the-wire modulation is close enough to
work. 
24 Feb
24 Feb
3:10 a.m.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 19:20, Roger Addy via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm
wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network?
Run a single piece of thin Ethernet into the back of an old 10base-T hub.
Cable the hub into a modern switch.
Job done.
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