I seem to remember this being discussed many years ago, but I can't find it.
Anyway, there's an Altair on epay right now with a CYCLOID faceplate.
If I remember correctly, this is just a replacement plastic insert that was
sold simply to "freshen up" an Altair where the original had worn badly,
as so many did. I've done a fair amount of searching but I can't find an
ad or other reference to the product. Does anyone recall the time period?
I would assume it was at least a couple of years after the introduction of
the Altair. 78 or 79? A pointer to an advertisement or one of those "new
product" paragraphs that many of the magazines did back then would be
most helpful.
Thanks,
Bill S.
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On 8/22/20 8:52 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry,
> the retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name
> Arrow Head Computer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the
> direct marketing of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses
> of the middle class.
Slight correction: The name was Arrowhead (one word, not two) Computer
Company.
I remember this very well. I was living in Santa Monica at the time,
and drove down Pico Boulevard almost every day. Needless to say, I
immediately noticed the "Computer Store" sign and stopped in, soon
becoming one of the regular "hangers on".
Dick Heiser and his wife Lois were taking a big chance, but it
proved to be a good bet. Initially, their business consisted of
buying Altair 8800 kits and assembling them in the back of the
store. A lot of people were happy to pay extra to not have to
solder all those hundreds of connections.
Dick was a regular fixture at meetings of the Southern California
Computer Society (SCCS), often making deliveries and taking orders
there. In those days, SCCS monthly meetings were *the* place for
computer geeks to get together and exchange news and get help.
A few months later, two guys named Steve showed up at a meeting
with a kit they called the "Apple I", for the grand price of
$666.66. I wish I had had the foresight to buy one! Instead,
I wound up joining the SCCS group purchase of DEC LSI-11 systems.
I still have that system, with a case and power supply from a
TRW surplus sale. It isn't worth nearly as much as an original
Apple I, though! :-)
Alan "Hindsight is 20-20" Frisbie
Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020, Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote:
> > A few months later, two guys named Steve showed up at a meeting
> > with a kit they called the "Apple I", for the grand price of
> > $666.66. I wish I had had the foresight to buy one!
> Q: although WE call it "Apple I", did the Steves call it "Apple I" or
> "Apple Computer"? The answer tells us whether they were explicitly
> planning on making other models later!
I honestly do not recall if they used the "I" or not. This was,
after all, 45 years ago!
At that time there were many tiny startup companies trying to get
our attention, most of which sank without a trace. If I had been
asked back then which ones I thought would survive, I probably
would not have picked Apple. Not my first mistake, and certainly
not my last. :-)
Those *were* exciting days, with new products and developments
happening every month. I looked forward to every SCCS meeting,
with people showing off their latest homebrew project, swapping
tips, and buying parts & boards. For a while, there was even
a large wheel of cheese which we eagerly devoured. :-)
Alan Frisbie
I have a Mac mini os-x 10.15/16 11.
I?m Really trying to find a working Iscsi Initiator
Software. Yeah looked at atto 200 bucks
GlobalSan broken.
Who is using their Mac with an iScsi drive
Attached storage ?
Help appreciated.
K.
"That might be true for discussions where people don't care to do any
research, or where words like "first" are uses more for hyperbolic
emphasis, but suggesting someone started an industry on a list like this,
I think, doesn't seem out of place."
I agree that using ?*first**?* has a certain connotation. However, until it
is proven otherwise it?s quite appropriate. If this word were not used, by
me or anyone else, on this website then we never get to learn anything ?
*new*?. Even in historical writing, of which I?ve done some as a historian,
one has to acknowledge a source, but I for the life of me can?t remember as
I didn?t have the source on my electronic-research rolodex. In such an
occasion, as the note I sent to cctalk, should have stated this. My
apologies.
Happy computing!
Murray ?
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Hi,
I have a VAXstation 4000/60 with an internal disk but no CD drive. I'd
like to install VMS (7.3), but I'm new to VMS.
I have a SIMH VAX instance running on the same LAN with VMS installed
(mounting the VMS images is easy, of course). Can anyone point me to a
HOW-TO which explains how to use one VMS system to MOP / netboot another
system to install VMS?
Thanks,
John
> I was going to comment that the only way I could see a 1U VAX was if
> someone rack mounted a 4000/VLC. Is that the stock VLC power supply?
> My cluster doesn?t even have that much space.
>
> What do you use to go from SATA to SCSI (SCSI-1 even)?
It's a standard 1U power supply with a custom adapter. You can see it
better here:
https://twitter.com/AnachronistJohn/status/1294725819038752768
I use a SATA to IDE adapter, then an IDE to UW-SCSI adapter, then an
UW-SCSI cable and terminator, then finally a 68 to 50 pin adapter.
The previous drive was a Samsung SSD, but I think that constant, non-stop
swap use wore it out. This was the smallest new spinning rust drive I
could find.
SCSI2SD would work for a while, but, again, swap usage would wear out an
SD card in no time, I'm sure.
John
> When dozens or hundreds start up within weeks or months of each other,
> every one is important, and most are interesting, but "FIRST" or
> "STARTED THE TREND" (implying being the "first") cease to really mean
> anything.
>
> It's generally better to never use the word "FIRST"; there is almost
> always a lesser known one that was earlier.
That might be true for discussions where people don't care to do any
research, or where words like "first" are uses more for hyperbolic
emphasis, but suggesting someone started an industry on a list like this,
I think, doesn't seem out of place.
If someone has examples of this being wrong, he / she will say so, and
we'll all learn. If not, the original message has conveyed useful
information.
Relatedly, I have what I think is the only 1U VAX in the world. I've
mentioned this in many places, but if someone says I'm wrong and shows me
an example of another, it would please me, not upset me. I'll have learned
of another :)
John
We would live this photos. Force archive here.? Your? pay pal. Address For postage costs? please? Thanks Ed Sharpe Archivist? for SMECC museum project
On Monday, August 24, 2020 Marvin Johnston via cctalk <marvin at west.net; cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
? Spoken for.
> I sent an email to Al asking if he wanted them, and no response which I took to mean no :).
>
> There are about 40 photos of the fronts of computer stores circa 1977-1978, and were taken by a friend of mine who was a computer salesman at the time. Most (all) are date stamped and have the store location written on the back.
>
> None for Santa Barbara :), so I'll pass them along to whoever wants them. And Al still has first shot at them if he missed my original email.
>
> $1000 with free postage, or free if you pay postage :). Priority mail should run about $8.00.
Spoken for.
> I sent an email to Al asking if he wanted them, and no response which I took to mean no :).
>
> There are about 40 photos of the fronts of computer stores circa 1977-1978, and were taken by a friend of mine who was a computer salesman at the time. Most (all) are date stamped and have the store location written on the back.
>
> None for Santa Barbara :), so I'll pass them along to whoever wants them. And Al still has first shot at them if he missed my original email.
>
> $1000 with free postage, or free if you pay postage :). Priority mail should run about $8.00.
I sent an email to Al asking if he wanted them, and no response which I
took to mean no :).
There are about 40 photos of the fronts of computer stores circa
1977-1978, and were taken by a friend of mine who was a computer
salesman at the time. Most (all) are date stamped and have the store
location written on the back.
None for Santa Barbara :), so I'll pass them along to whoever wants
them. And Al still has first shot at them if he missed my original email.
$1000 with free postage, or free if you pay postage :). Priority mail
should run about $8.00.
Ed asks: Sure,Stan can add to our Burroughs? collection Ed!
Ok, it's yours. Email me your snail mail address please (sieler at allegro.com
).
And, I'll scan it first, per some offline requests (I knew I should have
already done that :)
Stan
Sure,Stan can add to our Burroughs? collection Ed!
On Sunday, August 23, 2020 Stan Sieler via cctalk <sieler at allegro.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hi,
Anyone want a Burroughs 1975 Annual Report?
(Free mailing to U.S. address, otherwise PayPal the cost of mailing.)
Nice condition.? 44 pages.
thanks,
Stan
The LA Times called it the first computer store in a story in December
1975. The first ad for the store ran in July of that year. I've put
scans of the article and the ad here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/S53vBGs6irzqoLR37
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> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Computer stores
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>
> When dozens or hundreds start up within weeks or months of each
> other,
> every one is important, and most are interesting, but "FIRST" or
> "STARTED
> THE TREND" (implying being the "first") cease to really mean
anything.
>
> It's generally better to never use the word "FIRST"; there is almost
> always a lesser known one that was earlier.
>
> The trend from being a sideline within a business, to becoming the
> primary focus of the business can seem anticlimactic, but is what
marks
> the core of the transition.
> Think of Fry's, NLS, etc.
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 8/22/2020 9:53 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> >> On 8/22/20 8:52 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> >>> 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new
> industry, the
> >>> retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name
> Arrow Head
> >>> COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the
> direct marketing
> >>> of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the
middle
> class,
> >>> albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago.
> >>>
> >>> Happy computing.
> >>>
> >>> Murray ?
> >> Does this precede Paul Terrell's Byte Shop #1 in Mountain View,
> CA?
> >>
> >> --Chuck
> >>
> > Not soon after, Dave and Tom Freeman, Advanced Computer
> Products in Santa
> > Ana, CA.
> > thanks
> > JIm
>
Hi,
Anyone want a Burroughs 1975 Annual Report?
(Free mailing to U.S. address, otherwise PayPal the cost of mailing.)
Nice condition. 44 pages.
thanks,
Stan
I just made some small changes to the DECnet/E event logger application to fix a Y2K problem. (More precisely, a Y2K.003 problem).
https://github.com/pkoning2/decstuff
This is for RSTS V10.1. Just drop the new evtlog.tsk into [0,16].
paul
I'm trying to reduce the amount of "stuff" I have and I've been carrying around a significant number
of old data books. My plan has always been to have all of the resources I need in my retirement
(assuming I get there) to work on and repair the various vintage computing hardware I've also
collected over time and have been storing.
My question is if I this information is all now available online or if I need to keep these data
books. My guess is that it is some of both.
Also, if I decide to part with these, should I create a list and make them available for the cost of
shipping or just recycle them? Maybe someone collects them?
--tom
Hi guys,
I have three Dolch Logic Analyzers, the two bigger ones are Palas
<someting> Analyzers, one of them with an highspeed option, the third is
an Compact 100 Analyzer. For the bigger ones I have Disassemblers for
8080/8085 and Z80 as far as I know. I want to use the C100 with a Z80
disassembler, but the ROM images are different it seems, the roms don't
work in the C100.
Has anyone the rom images for the C100 Z80 disassembler?
Kind Regards,
Holm
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45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the
retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head
COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing
of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class,
albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago.
Happy computing.
Murray ?
I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for?
>From the incompatible department of classic computement: A rather
complete full dump of the MIT-AI PDP-10 from 1971 has been found. It
includes full source code and documentation for the system, including
ITS version 671, DDT, TECO, MIDAS, (MAC)LISP, CHESS (MacHack), MUDDLE,
LOGO, MACSYMA, etc.
Has SIMH been ported to a low overhead (instant-on) platform?
I ask the question because the startup time of Linux is distracting when
powering on a PiDP-11/70 or similar clone systems based on SIMH.
Thanks
Tom Hunter
Would anyone be able to identify the 19 pin connector used on the Alto II keyset?
Shown in the second photo on https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X124.82C
The Xerox engineering doc (209962B_Alto_II_Assembly_Keyset.pdf) has it as P/N DE51218-1 if I interpret it correctly.
I've looked for a while and the closest I can find appears to be Mouser p/n 2DEF19P
The cost of 136 USD (each!) is more than I (and perhaps everyone else) would really like to pay, and that's only for
the male end.
Ideally I would like a datasheet on this original connector if possible, to know the pin-pin spacing and the pressed metal
surround dimensions.
I've just ordered small trial quantities of screws, microswitches, e-clips, nutserts, rods and so on for my keyset
lookalikes/workalikes. Also about to start the key mapping to F5-F9 using a popular small SOC board, which is small enough
to be inside a custom printed shell that the keyset plugs into.
That is, the 3-row 19-pin female connector side which goes through to USB.
I was thinking there's no reason it shouldn't be able to work using the original connector with a real keyset-less Alto,
should any such animal be lurking out there. Hence looking at the feasibility of placing in a 19 pin male-female
connector arrangement rather than the fallback of straight-through to USB.
The whole thing is still at prototype stage so even if it doesn't work out, well I will at least have a bunch of additions
to my nuts/bolts/fasteners/switches stash.
Thanks for any help,
Steve.