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by w2hx＠w2hx.com

Don't know if anyone gets/reads this old rag but I thought I'd share an article I came across: https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/the-trs-80-model-1 73 Eugene W2HX

5 years, 7 months

Old DEC mice for sale

by sales＠elecplus.com

My friend Lidan at Continental Computers found some old DEC mice in his warehouse for me. These are in California. 3x VS10X-EA - $120 each (used complete) 1x VS10X-EA - $75 (missing 3 button caps) 1x VSXXX-AA - $125 (NEW in box) 3x VSXXX-AA - $75 (used complete) Lidan Sadon Sales Manager Continental Computers D - 310/906-3553 C - 818/554-8856 lidan at conticomp.com Please contact him directly if you want to order these. I had no idea old DEC mice were so expensive! Cindy -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

5 years, 7 months

Virtual VCFMW Schedule Posted

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

aww damn ill be 30miles in the bush at work for 3 days On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:12 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctech < cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote: > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Virtual VCFMW Schedule Posted > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:08:39 -0500 > From: Jason T via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> > > > > Hi folks - we're doing this thing! The schedule is up, with links to > the individual videos being filled in by tomorrow evening: > > https://mailchi.mp/222b57fb03dc/virtual-vcfmw-schedule-posted > > The videos will be presented in sequence using YouTube's "Premiere" > function, which means there will be a live chat on the YT page where > (ideally) the video creator will chat along and conduct a Q&A during > and after. There is also an all-day open chat on a linked IRC/Discord > channel. Details are on our page here: > > http://vcfmw.org/virtual.html > > Hope you can join us online for a day of chatting and classiccmp video fun! > > -jt >

5 years, 7 months

Virtual VCFMW Schedule Posted

by silent700＠gmail.com

Hi folks - we're doing this thing! The schedule is up, with links to the individual videos being filled in by tomorrow evening: https://mailchi.mp/222b57fb03dc/virtual-vcfmw-schedule-posted The videos will be presented in sequence using YouTube's "Premiere" function, which means there will be a live chat on the YT page where (ideally) the video creator will chat along and conduct a Q&A during and after. There is also an all-day open chat on a linked IRC/Discord channel. Details are on our page here: http://vcfmw.org/virtual.html Hope you can join us online for a day of chatting and classiccmp video fun! -jt

5 years, 7 months

ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- I was fortunate enough to be able to complete my VAXstation 100 setup this week, after a years-long search for parts. (In particular the M7452 fiber optic interface and the fiber optic cabling itself.) After futzing with the 4.3bsd kernel and compiling X10R4 on my VAX-11/750, I actually have it running! (See the below for a picture) https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqb36sqnCIfMo_cUO4EiMWOHZVk8yg I'm kind of amazed that it all just worked after all this time. As you can see, I'm using an LCD for the display, and that just won't do. The official monitor for the VS100 was the VR100; a 19" monochrome CRT with BNC inputs on the rear for H and V sync and the video signal (ttl level signaling). Anyone have one of these? I'm also looking for earlier releases of X to run on this -- the VS100 was the development platform for X (and W ran on it at one point as well). I haven't been able to track down anything prior to X10R3. Does anyone know of an archive of these earlier releases? While I'm at it -- anyone know precisely what I need to use this under VMS? I believe 4.7 was the last VMS release that supported it, but there were additional packages that needed to be installed to support it, and I'm not entirely sure what they are. Thanks as always, Josh

5 years, 7 months

Matsushita 310JLB4 CRT datasheet

by ccth6600＠gmail.com

Has anybody got a datasheet for the 12" black&white CRT made by Matsushita (Panasonic) with part number 310JLB4 (N)? Thanks Tom Hunter

5 years, 7 months

AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

On 9/7/20 2:26 AM, Veit, Holger wrote: > Could this be a PGC card clone? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Graphics_Controller That had crossed my mind at one point, but there's no horsepower to this card at all - it's just TTL, RAM, BIOS and the 6845. The color output *appears* to be TTL level - or, at least, that's what it's using at power-on. It's not impossible, I suppose, for it to be switchable to some kind of analog mode, thereby giving more color depth. I'm wondering if it doesn't have some form of high-resolution bitmap mode for visualization, i.e. display construction would be processor-intensive and intended for static images/diagrams. I don't know if that really makes sense though because it would also imply having to switch the monitor - i.e. starting the machine with a CGA type display plugged in, then physically moving to something else later. On the back of that, I just found this thread too which refers to an identical board: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?48718-3-Weird-Video-Cards-any-ide… ... nothing there really "helps", but someone's comment about the medical field and a higher-resolution display via the RCA jack is interesting - that would at least get around the need to switch monitors (well, unless there was some special autodetecting analog/digital monitor that was sold to go with the hardware, I suppose). It's a shame that the hard disk in the machine is either snafu or has been wiped - the contents would have helped shed light on things. There's an EPROM as part of the video hardware; anyone know of a DOS-based util to poke at the contents and/or snarf them into a file on disk? It's possible I suppose that there might be some useful strings hidden away in there. cheers Jules

5 years, 7 months

NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

Does anyone have any idea where I can get install media at various support pack levels and / or support pack install files for NetWare 5.1 and / or BorderManager 3.5? I'm playing with some old things in VMs and can't get BorderManager 3.5 (sp0?) to work on 5.1sp7 / 5.1sp8. I need older 5.1spX or newer BorderManager. BorderManager patches would be bm35sp2.exe or bm35sp3.exe. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

5 years, 7 months

cctech Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9

by peter＠vanpeborgh.eu

Thanks -----Original Message----- From: cctech <cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of cctech-request at classiccmp.org Sent: 09 September 2020 18:00 To: cctech at classiccmp.org Subject: cctech Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 Send cctech mailing list submissions to cctech at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctech-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctech-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ftgh 95 ohm coax (Don Stalkowski) 2. Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? (Jules Richardson) 3. Re: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases (Matt Burke) 4. Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 (Liam Proven) 5. Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? (Liam Proven) 6. RE: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases (Electronics Plus) 7. Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? (Fred Cisin) 8. Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? (Doug Jackson) 9. Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? (Fred Cisin) 10. Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 (Grant Taylor) 11. Re: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases (jim stephens) 12. Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 (Grant Taylor) 13. Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 (Liam Proven) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: dstalk at execulink.com (Don Stalkowski) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: ftgh 95 ohm coax Message-ID: <20200908163307.241BDBEEAD4 at cel2.x> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ftgh: a few lengths of 95 ohm coax pickup-only here in London, ON ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:12:09 -0500 From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> To: Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? Message-ID: <30e83f7c-26ee-0ad0-907d-cd6a3efa4e56 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed On 9/7/20 6:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Floppy boot seems like the next step. OK, it boots off a DOS 3.3 floppy if that floppy is inserted before it attempts to boot from the hard disk. If I wait for it to do its "system file not found" bit, followed by a subsequent prompt to insert boot media and press a key, it attempts to access the floppy drive but then goes off into la-la land. Odd. But anyway, taking the successful floppy boot route, I can certainly access the hard disk in terms of bringing up directory listings and TYPEing files to the display. So far, attempts to run anything from the drive just result in a lock-up (keyboard immediately unresponsive, hard reset required). There appear to be DOS utils on the drive, and command.com, but I've not checked for hidden system files yet. fdisk shows the partition as active. > Got an IBM "Advanced Diagnostics" floppy to try? No, but I see that the minuszerodegrees site has an image, so I'll write that out and see what happens. Looking at the drive contents, incidentally, I didn't see anything that explains (or interacts with) that unusual video hardware - it basically just holds DOS and a bunch of documents written by the original owner. Maybe they got suckered into buying this fancy graphics hardware without having any actual need for it, and then of course EGA and VGA came along and rendered it obsolete anyway. > XT controllers tended to NOT be interchangeable, even between various > OEMs of Xebec! Yes - something that people often seem to forget, too. I've run into that quite often, where someone will hang onto an old drive because of the contents, but they'll dump the controller that it was formatted against. > I don't know what the incompatability was. I don't think there was any kind of standard at all for what the low level looked like - vendors were free to do what they wanted in terms of what values they used for flags and how they actually ordered things within the sector header. I suppose there were some tweaks made over time for optimization or reliability (or at least, recovery) reasons, too, which is why even a single vendor had a few different incompatible formats. I expect it was the same in the SCSI and IDE worlds, but of course with those "the controller" which handles formatting is really part of the package, so it wasn't an issue. Jules ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 23:11:01 +0100 From: Matt Burke <matt at 9track.net> To: Josh Dersch via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases Message-ID: <91d46a24-04df-20c7-d154-d17064116c6f at 9track.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 05/09/2020 20:19, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > While I'm at it -- anyone know > precisely what I need to use this under VMS? I believe 4.7 was the > last VMS release that supported it, but there were additional packages > that needed to be installed to support it, and I'm not entirely sure > what they are. To use the VAXstation 100 with VMS you need to install the "VAXstation Software" layered product. I have not come across any original copies however DEC later contributed the source code to the DECUS library under submission V00376. The submission consists of a CMS library and some other source files. The only place you can reliably get this from is DECUServe as you need to get the files whilst preserving their RMS attributes. Then you need to compile the code and create an installation kit to use the software. The good news is that I've already done all of this so here is a link to the source and installation kit on Simh tap files: http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vs100/v00376.zip http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vs100/vsta012.zip This was built on VAX/VMS V4.4 with: Bliss-32 V4.3 FORTRAN V4.7 Pascal V3.7 CMS V2.3 MMS V2.2 I also have a VAXstation 100 that I hope to get working some day but I need the M7452 card and a VS10X-EA mouse. I did win an M7452 on eBay about 10 years ago but the seller then said that he had already sold it. I've not seen another one since (well not one for an affordable price. I did find a reseller that wanted $1000 for one). Matt ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 00:42:19 +0200 From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 Message-ID: <CAMTenCFtWq=TCgFb22jS4GhH2i=qgWEnFSVBqkSpSdr97TUwbw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 08:18, Grant Taylor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea where I can get install media at various > support pack levels and / or support pack install files for NetWare > 5.1 and / or BorderManager 3.5? Something like this any help? https://winworldpc.com/product/netware/5x I have physical media of this somewhere: https://archive.org/details/Netware_5_Operating_System_3_User_Demo_Novell -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 00:46:18 +0200 From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? Message-ID: <CAMTenCHotTw2=rULsgbg1LWKF4vBnoz5BeyoV9N2TjaTNJcdmQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 06:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > 1) If the drive is larger than 32MB, then boot with DOs 3.31 or newer. > Although even with the older ones, you can still do quite a bit. 3.31 is > the first where DOS supports a partition larger than 32MB > MS-DOS 5.00 is first where debug commands have a "/?" option to get a > short reminder of usage. Agreed. (Like I'd dare to differ with Fred.) My 2?'s worth is just: for an XT, if you want to fit a CF card or something, try DR-DOS 3.41. It's out there in various places. RAM usage as small as MS-DOS 3.3 but offers most of the benefits of MS-DOS 4 and some of MS-DOS 5 (both of which take a *lot* more RAM on an XT-class machine.) -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:48:37 -0500 From: "Electronics Plus" <sales at elecplus.com> To: "'Matt Burke'" <matt at 9track.net>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases Message-ID: <007501d68632$30c06410$92412c30$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is a DEC dealer in the UK that has M7452 cards listed as in-stock. Contact Spencer Dye at sales at swancomp.co.uk. Old mouse I have located, but he has to check if it is actually in stock, and if it works. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Matt Burke via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 5:11 PM To: Josh Dersch via cctalk Subject: Re: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases On 05/09/2020 20:19, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > While I'm at it -- anyone know > precisely what I need to use this under VMS? I believe 4.7 was the last > VMS release that supported it, but there were additional packages that > needed to be installed to support it, and I'm not entirely sure what they > are. To use the VAXstation 100 with VMS you need to install the "VAXstation Software" layered product. I have not come across any original copies however DEC later contributed the source code to the DECUS library under submission V00376. The submission consists of a CMS library and some other source files. The only place you can reliably get this from is DECUServe as you need to get the files whilst preserving their RMS attributes. Then you need to compile the code and create an installation kit to use the software. The good news is that I've already done all of this so here is a link to the source and installation kit on Simh tap files: http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vs100/v00376.zip http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vs100/vsta012.zip This was built on VAX/VMS V4.4 with: Bliss-32 V4.3 FORTRAN V4.7 Pascal V3.7 CMS V2.3 MMS V2.2 I also have a VAXstation 100 that I hope to get working some day but I need the M7452 card and a VS10X-EA mouse. I did win an M7452 on eBay about 10 years ago but the seller then said that he had already sold it. I've not seen another one since (well not one for an affordable price. I did find a reseller that wanted $1000 for one). Matt ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2009081521250.17983 at shell.lmi.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > OK, it boots off a DOS 3.3 floppy if that floppy is inserted before it > attempts to boot from the hard disk. If I wait for it to do its "system file > not found" bit, followed by a subsequent prompt to insert boot media and > press a key, it attempts to access the floppy drive but then goes off into > la-la land. Odd. How large is the drive? If it is over 32MB, then try to find DOS 3.31 or newer. MY preference is MS-DOS 6.22 > But anyway, taking the successful floppy boot route, I can certainly access > the hard disk in terms of bringing up directory listings and TYPEing files to > the display. So far, attempts to run anything from the drive just result in a > lock-up (keyboard immediately unresponsive, hard reset required). There > appear to be DOS utils on the drive, and command.com, but I've not checked > for hidden system files yet. fdisk shows the partition as active. Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the version number. DIR /A or DIR /A:H will let you see the hidden files (presumably IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS; PC-DOS had IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM instead) Can you COPY files from the HDD to floppy? Being able to access contents of files, but not RUN them seems odd. IF the DOS on the floppy misunderstands the partition table, then root directory might look OK, but sub-directories might not be where it thinks they are, . . . >> Got an IBM "Advanced Diagnostics" floppy to try? > No, but I see that the minuszerodegrees site has an image, so I'll write that > out and see what happens. NOT a big deal. It's merely the only method directly from IBM for doing low level format. In most cases, Speedstor is more useful for LLF. > Looking at the drive contents, incidentally, I didn't see anything that > explains (or interacts with) that unusual video hardware - it basically just > holds DOS and a bunch of documents written by the original owner. Maybe they > got suckered into buying this fancy graphics hardware without having any > actual need for it, and then of course EGA and VGA came along and rendered it > obsolete anyway. It is probably completely CGA compatible, unless you invoke of of its other modes. The ROM on the video card may be a BIOS extension, in which case access to extended modes may be handled internally in various programs. For instance Windows 3.x, PC PAint, Pagemaker, and Xerox Ventura let you configure for a variety of video hardware. Otherwise, check to see if CONFIG.SYS has DEVICE commands to load any device drivers, usually .SYS, although sometimes .COM >> XT controllers tended to NOT be interchangeable, even between various OEMs >> of Xebec! > Yes - something that people often seem to forget, too. I've run into that > quite often, where someone will hang onto an old drive because of the > contents, but they'll dump the controller that it was formatted against. It always seemed counter-intuitive that makers of HDD hardware for XT didn't slavishly mimic IBM's XT HDD. And especially counter-intuitive that different vendor Xebec controllers didn't always interchange. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 09:16:42 +1000 From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com> To: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? Message-ID: <CAM_9E61O0gf_8_jPRCHfKfZMcA-1Okbdhvt-vT=ufVTChcC6PA at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I recall some of the high end cards in the CGA / EGA era had adon boards that were connected with a 20 or 36 pin jumper cable across the top of the boards - They also ran more than 64K or ram, such as the ATI Wonder boards. Maybe it's like that - the ATI boards had 256K so they could page. Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: doug at doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use. Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal liability. :-) Be nice to your parents. Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:04 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > OK, it boots off a DOS 3.3 floppy if that floppy is inserted before it > > attempts to boot from the hard disk. If I wait for it to do its "system > file > > not found" bit, followed by a subsequent prompt to insert boot media and > > press a key, it attempts to access the floppy drive but then goes off > into > > la-la land. Odd. > > How large is the drive? > If it is over 32MB, then try to find DOS 3.31 or newer. > MY preference is MS-DOS 6.22 > > > > But anyway, taking the successful floppy boot route, I can certainly > access > > the hard disk in terms of bringing up directory listings and TYPEing > files to > > the display. So far, attempts to run anything from the drive just result > in a > > lock-up (keyboard immediately unresponsive, hard reset required). There > > appear to be DOS utils on the drive, and command.com, but I've not > checked > > for hidden system files yet. fdisk shows the partition as active. > > Date and time of Command.com and any other DOS files will identify the > version number. > > DIR /A or > DIR /A:H > will let you see the hidden files (presumably IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS; PC-DOS > had IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM instead) > > Can you COPY files from the HDD to floppy? > > Being able to access contents of files, but not RUN them seems odd. > IF the DOS on the floppy misunderstands the partition table, then root > directory might look OK, but sub-directories might not be where it thinks > they are, . . . > > > >> Got an IBM "Advanced Diagnostics" floppy to try? > > No, but I see that the minuszerodegrees site has an image, so I'll write > that > > out and see what happens. > > NOT a big deal. It's merely the only method directly from IBM for doing > low level format. > In most cases, Speedstor is more useful for LLF. > > > Looking at the drive contents, incidentally, I didn't see anything that > > explains (or interacts with) that unusual video hardware - it basically > just > > holds DOS and a bunch of documents written by the original owner. Maybe > they > > got suckered into buying this fancy graphics hardware without having any > > actual need for it, and then of course EGA and VGA came along and > rendered it > > obsolete anyway. > > It is probably completely CGA compatible, unless you invoke of of its > other modes. > > The ROM on the video card may be a BIOS extension, in which case access to > extended modes may be handled internally in various programs. For > instance Windows 3.x, PC PAint, Pagemaker, and Xerox Ventura let you > configure for a variety of video hardware. > Otherwise, check to see if CONFIG.SYS has DEVICE commands to load any > device drivers, usually .SYS, although sometimes .COM > > >> XT controllers tended to NOT be interchangeable, even between various > OEMs > >> of Xebec! > > Yes - something that people often seem to forget, too. I've run into > that > > quite often, where someone will hang onto an old drive because of the > > contents, but they'll dump the controller that it was formatted against. > > It always seemed counter-intuitive that makers of HDD hardware for XT > didn't slavishly mimic IBM's XT HDD. And especially counter-intuitive > that different vendor Xebec controllers didn't always interchange. > > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: AW: CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2009081624080.17983 at shell.lmi.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, Doug Jackson wrote: > I recall some of the high end cards in the CGA / EGA era had adon boards > that were connected with a 20 or 36 pin jumper cable across the top of the > boards - They also ran more than 64K or ram, such as the ATI Wonder > boards. Maybe it's like that - the ATI boards had 256K so they could page. I had a CGA "double board" that did 640x400 or 640x200 by more colors. It was not the same as this one, but might have been internally similar. But I don't remember ATI premium CGA. ATI had some interesting EGA boards, including one that had an add-on that included the mid-board connector for Compaq luggable internal video! Otherwise, you were stuck with Compaq CGA or Compaq EGA. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 19:18:04 -0600 From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 Message-ID: <9cbe174f-7eb1-bd77-88d9-a433449278f6 at spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 9/8/20 4:42 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > Something like this any help? > > https://winworldpc.com/product/netware/5x I'm very familiar with WinWorld and VetusWare. I quite like them. They are on the short list to find things like this. There is high overlap between a number of these places. That being said, I haven't tested that specific ISO. But that's mostly because I've long had a version of NetWare 5.1. Now that I'm looking for specific things, particularly patches, I decided to send a broadcast message. > I have physical media of this somewhere: > > https://archive.org/details/Netware_5_Operating_System_3_User_Demo_Novell I've been focusing on 5.1 and I've not yet broadened my net to include 5(.0). I was sort of hoping that someone might have had the support pack files tucked away somewhere. I'm currently working on re-organizing my 48 GB of Novell software. Partially to normalize the names and location, as well as to be able to tell what I do and do not have. Thank you for the reply Liam. You re-enforced the fact that I need to get a better understanding of what /specific/ versions I have and the things I know about are. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 20:25:19 -0700 From: jim stephens <jwsmail at jwsss.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ISO: DEC VR100 and early X releases Message-ID: <7487c5f1-bfe6-0d6d-8b37-ee0668c2540c at jwsss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 9/8/2020 3:48 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > Old mouse I have located, but he has to check if it is actually in stock, and if it works. They aren't the "normal" DEC hockey puck mice.? it's sort of like a PS2 mouse with I think an odd ball.? I had hands on Josh's and one for Paul Birkel (for too long, but they have them now), and the mouse was odd. I don't know how Josh is doing, since is is working, but the cabling on the mouse cord had degraded and had goo on it like the black crap you get form the wrong type of rubber when it turns tar like. Glad Josh got his going, pulling for Paul to get his running.? And interesting they may be a third one. So cool Cameron Kaiser collected two and passed them along. thanks Jim ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:33:47 -0600 From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 Message-ID: <1668c3d3-f0c9-c574-e30f-e879893223a0 at spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 9/8/20 7:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > I haven't tested that specific ISO. The particular ISO that you linked to is Novell NetWare 5.1 (Support Pack 0). So it needs support packs installed on it. I've learned that there are different Support Packs, "Domestic" and "International" having to do with the 128-bit vs 56-bit encryption woes of the '90s. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:08:43 +0200 From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: NetWare 5.1 / BorderManager 3.5 Message-ID: <CAMTenCEQu_=MTZHP+o9e4Ho5Y+7Uk-XBhn1dSbcJyu1uwS65Tw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 06:34, Grant Taylor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 9/8/20 7:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > I haven't tested that specific ISO. > > The particular ISO that you linked to is Novell NetWare 5.1 (Support > Pack 0). So it needs support packs installed on it. But that's good, isn't it? I confess I may have misread your original message as being "I need NW5.1 with no SPs." Was that wrong? But if you have SP0, no bugfixes, then surely you can just install the SPs on top of it to get to whatever level you want? My $DAYJOB was part of Novell until about a year ago. I _may_ be able to find internal download links still but I am not confident. Want me to start asking around? I may need some fairly specific info as there are few Netware folk left now. E.g. how many separate SPs did NW5.1 get? Do you need both US and ROW versions? > I've learned that there are different Support Packs, "Domestic" and > "International" having to do with the 128-bit vs 56-bit encryption woes > of the '90s. Oh dear... TBH I have a suspicion nobody may have kept stuff like that, even inside Novell... :( -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 End of cctech Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 *************************************

5 years, 7 months

SunBlade 100 with USB type 7 keyboard

by technoid6502＠gmail.com

My Sunblade works fine with a generic USB keyboard, but does not recognize the Type 7 USB keyboard I bought for it. OpenBoot prom reports "no keyboard detected". If I boot with my generic keyboard plugged in and then plug in the type 7, it sees it fine in OpenBSD. It is the openboot prom that doesn't see it. Can anyone steer me to the most current openboot prom update for the SunBlade 100? I've looked like crazy on Oracle's site and all I find are the instructions on how to apply an update, but not the actual update. This problem is firmware, not software or hardware. The Type 7 keyboard works fine on my PC, or if plugged into the Sunblade once it has booted/started to boot. Best, Jeff

5 years, 7 months

ftgh 95 ohm coax

by dstalk＠execulink.com

ftgh: a few lengths of 95 ohm coax pickup-only here in London, ON

5 years, 7 months

CMU Andrew system (and wm) preservation

by cmhanson＠eschatologist.net

On Sep 7, 2020, at 6:24 AM, dstalk at execulink.com wrote: > > The description I have for AUIS (6.3.1) is: > > "AUIS (Andrew User Interface System) - compound document > environment offering a word processor, mail/bulletin board > reader/writer, drawing editor, spreadsheet, font editor, > application builder, and many other facilities" > > Again, an application, not a windowing system per se. Yes, the Andrew environment implemented proper layering, so ATK was made to work atop X and the applications (messages, ez, console, typescript, etc.) came along. At Carnegie Mellon in the early 1990s, you could (with only a little work, to use a console rather than graphical login) use either X or wm on some of the campus workstations. On a DECstation 3100 running Ultrix, if you weren?t going to run any X applications wm was *much* more responsive. I wasn?t around when the clusters had Sun-3 or IBM RT hardware but I can imagine the differences there were even more pronounced. (With wm, a DECstation felt as much faster than a Mac II as it actually was?) Applications built against ATK could run atop either wm or X; I don?t know if there were distinct builds of ATK or if the conditional logic was in the framework itself, but the applications themselves worked just fine with either since Andrew implemented a shared library mechanism. (Yes, even on Ultrix.) The publicly-released Andrew distributions don?t include the wm code, only the X version. I don?t know if they?ll actually build against the wm headers and libraries if they?re present, or if by the time CMU was releasing them publicly they had stripped that code out entirely. ? Chris

5 years, 7 months

Looking for suggestions for this

by trash80＠internode.on.net

Hi folks - quite some time ago I picked up this little beauty (well I'm sure some may agree or disagree with me) off of ePAY. I happen to like black IBMs of any type. Of course I got gouged at the checkout paying the princely sum of $1.04 AUD - some might say I got robbed. In the photo with the other machines it's the big one. Included was the machine of course, the tape drive, the monitor (the keyboard is somewhere) and a heap of connectors and cables - and I did get the key with it too. What was missing were the HDDs (which they trashed to get rid of the data) and all the documentation (which they tossed before they realised that they could flog it on ePAY and get someone else to take it away). http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/as400/ But as I rationalise space in my increasingly small collection facility I need to make some decisions about things so I'm looking for some suggestions as to what I can do with this machine. At the risk of being applauded for some ideas and being flamed for others some suggestions are: 1. Do nothing - it's a very interesting conversation piece and its worth preserving. 2. Someone is looking for one of these for parts and will pay me a fortune. 3. Dump it. 4. Donate it to a museum - they'll need a truck and four big guys. 5. Trade it for scrap value. 6. Get it running - now there's a big leap I suspect!! I did manage to procure some HDDs from another AS/400 but as to whether they are suitable or this would even work is not even remotely my bailiwick. 7. Gut it and build a cluster inside it so at least it looks and runs like a big computer so I can get some WOW factor from those who don't know any different. 8. Gut it and turn it into a bar fridge. 9. Anything else... Thank you Kevin Parker

5 years, 7 months

Clicking SCSI disks

by a.carlini＠ntlworld.com

I have a number of old (2000-era) DEC StorageWorks disks that fail to mount under VMS. They report MEDIUM OFFLINE. They power up in a similar way to other disks that do work, but they persistently click ina? "something isn't right" manner. I've tried reorienting some of the disks to see if that makes any difference, and for the ones I've tried, it didn't help. I've read about the "freezer" trick, but mostly I've seen negative opinions. However, those opinions mostly come from data recovery specialists! So I thought I'd tap the wisdom of the list. Is there any way that people have used to successfully recover data from RZ28, RZ29 disks (which all worked in 2003 :-))? Has anyone tried freezing a double bagged drive? Was it successful? If so, how long did you freeze it for? These disks are in StorageWorks containers ... should I remove them before freezing? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio at acarlini.com

5 years, 7 months

VAX 11-780 Rack Available

by w2hx＠w2hx.com

Hi friends. This rack is available for free. I am located in 10510 happy to drive, up to say 1.5 hours to meet up to transfer vehicles? https://w2hx.com/ForSale/DEC%20Rack/20200719_114742.jpg https://w2hx.com/ForSale/DEC%20Rack/20200719_114751.jpg it is in very nice condition. Comes with wheels/casters, no panels. It is, I believe 24" wide, but it has a set of vertical rails at 19" in addition to 24" I think the space on the right would carry cables etc? Regardless, it will work fine with 19" equipment. Just the perfect think you need to complete your DEC VAX or other DEC set up! Contact me directly. 73 Eugene W2HX PS Please pass onto any other list you may belong to that might have an interest in this rack. Thank you

5 years, 7 months

TZ8x DLT III cartridge - torn leader

by a.carlini＠ntlworld.com

I've been trying to read data from some ~2000 era DLT III cartridges that were written on a TZ87. The first one read OK. But the second one failed and it seems that the leader was torn off. I tried a new drive and a second cartridge has failed the same way (the leader was there, now it's not). My immediate problem is that I now have two drives (a TZ88 and a TZ870 that fail POST (all LEDs blink). I guess I need to open them up, fish out the stray leader and fix them up somehow. Does anyone have any experience of doing this? My second problem is that I'd quite like to stop this from happening again. I'm guessing that it happened because the cartridge mechanism was jammed. I've just played around with a TK50-K cartridge and if I jam the two release mechanisms (using the "nose" of two pliers), open the "tape hatch" and gently pull the tape, it moves. Then I can "rewind" it and it's back to the way it was. I'm wondering whether this is safe to do on the DLT III tapes I still want to recover? Is it likely to at least tell me which tapes are likely to fail and which might load properly? My third problem i that I have two cartridges without a leader. Is this something that can be rectified? Thanks for any useful information. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio at acarlini.com

5 years, 7 months

IBM 5160 math copro switch

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Sifting through my XTs and clones... I've had three so far with no math copro (8087) fitted, but switch 2 of SW1 is set to off. IBM docs say off is "math copro installed" and on is the "installed" position, i.e. the reverse of what I'm seeing (the minuszerodegrees site repeats this, although I expect that just copied what's in the manual, too). These three machines (two are 5160's, the other a clone) came from completely different sources - it seems unlikely that all three had 8087's fitted which were pulled at some point. Googling a few more system board images, ones with 8087's have that switch on - but for boards without, the setting seems to be pretty much 50/50. Did the meaning of the switch perhaps change at some point (both of my 5160's are late model 256-640 boards), and rather than being a simple installed / not installed it was more along the lines of "software should use it if present / software should never use it"? After all, it's not like the BIOS will do anything with an 8087; it's only there for software specifically coded to make use of it. I suppose it's also possible that users were in the habit of first setting all the switches to off when configuring a machine, then setting the relevant ones to on according to their memory/floppy/video config - and the copro setting just got overlooked. Weird, anyway. Jules

5 years, 7 months

CGA card (Mitsubishi Electric) with 192K RAM?

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Digging through old PCs, on a battery-removal spree... came across a Sperry 3070 XT-a-like (I wouldn't quite call it a clone, it's a bit goofy) which has a Mitsubishi Electric system board, RAM expansion, and video hardware. The video hardware is... odd. It's actually two full-length boards, joined with a large IDC cable along the top edge as well as via the ISA bus. The only "complex" IC is a 6845 - other than that it's masses of TTL. Output is via a DE9, and pinouts seem consistent with CGA (15.7KHz on pin 8, 60Hz on pin 9, 3/4/5 at TTL levels and 1/2 ground). There's also an RCA jack on the backplate, and that 6845 IC... it all seems very CGA-like, except that total video memory is 192KB. CGA was normally 16KB, I believe. Hercules and EGA 64KB, although I think toward the end of EGA's existence there was a 192KB option. Physical outputs aren't consistent with EGA's two bits per pixel, though. Does this ring any bells with anyone? I don't know why it needs such a large amount of RAM if it's stuck with CGA capabilities. One board is branded WECD10 and the other WECD11, but there's no "model" or anything. cheers Jules

5 years, 7 months

CMU Andrew system (and wm) preservation

by cmhanson＠eschatologist.net

Back before X11 took off, IBM funded CMU's development of Andrew, which had its own complete window system represented by its "wm" window manager. One of the many things that led to X's prevalence was that to get ahold of Andrew and wm, you had to license it from IBM, whereas X was licensed freely by MIT and available via FTP, tape, etc. When I was at CMU in the early through mid 1990s, the CMU Computer Club continued to maintain a fork of "wm" called "wmc" that was available to club members, including source code. While I'm pretty sure I have an archive of this code on a Zip disk somewhere, I thought I'd put out the call to the community to see if anyone else had preserved early Andrew bits since they're both historically important and architecturally interesting. What's architecturally interesting about them? Among other things, CMU created their own shared library mechanism for Andrew, and their own object oriented dialect of C (implemented via a separate preprocessor) that was surprisingly similar to Objective-C. The entire Andrew system was also component-oriented, such that it supported embedding components for handling different media types within each other, while keeping the embedded ones editable -- most of what developers got later with OLE and OpenDoc. So it'd be great if this stuff was archived in such a way that it could be used with contemporary systems, whether emulated or real hardware. Has anyone done any of this yet? -- Chris

5 years, 7 months

Micro Memory VME card info? MM-6316

by cmhanson＠eschatologist.net

I have a Micro Memory Inc. 16MB VME DRAM card MM-6316 but unlike many other Micro Memory products I can?t find a user?s manual. Does anyone know anything about the jumpers/switches for this board? ? Chris Sent from my iPad

5 years, 7 months

domains available (FTGH)

by john＠ziaspace.com

>> Over the years I've snagged a few domains related to classic computing with >> the best intentions of doing something with them. I have not, so I will be >> letting the following expire: >> >> decvax.org >> >> dgeclipse.org >> >> dgnova.org >> >> hp1000.org >> >> hp2000.org >> >> pdp11.org >> >> rt-11.org For anyone here with an interest in any of these domains, I'm happy to offer free hosting for at least as long as I'm alive (working on finding volunteers to take care of things after that). I've hosted some of my accounts and sites since the '90s and can provide email, web, dynamic web, development, gopher, mailman and more. I have real colocated servers, not purchased services, and the servers are, if nothing else, interesting. The collection include an AlphaServer DS25, a Sun Fire v254, an AMD Ryzen box (with ECC), a 1U Amiga 1200, and a 1U VAX. John Klos

5 years, 7 months

Brittle plastic

by technoid6502＠gmail.com

I don't have a way to make plastic new, but I've had good results with WD40 for restoring surfaces with WD40. Some plastics get dusty and highly ablative on the surface with age and environment. Plastic LOVES WD40, if it is 'thirsty' Coat the plastic with WD40, and wait. It will soak in, sometimes it takes an overnight. Repeat this until the plastic no longer 'drinks' the WD40. You've done all you can do now with this method. I don't know that it restores the original strength of plastic, I doubt that, but it sure helps with the surfaces' appearance and wear resistence. Best, Jeff

5 years, 7 months

Brittle plastic

by ccth6600＠gmail.com

Today I was working on a very nice 1995 vintage SPARCstation LX with CDROM and QIC-150 tape drive (3 lunchbox type units). I was trying to install a newer version of NetBSD on it than was already installed. The stack of 3 units was stored in a museum grade glass display cabinet. Sadly all 3 units have a small degree of yellowing but more importantly the plastic cases have become very brittle and bits just break off with minimal mechanical strain. Is there any process to reverse the brittleness which could be used to preserve the cases? Thanks Tom Hunter

5 years, 7 months

domains available (FTGH)

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Please - Would love t he hp2000 domain Jay. Thanks Ed# On Thursday, September 3, 2020 jwest--- via cctalk <jwest at classiccmp.org; cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Over the years I've snagged a few domains related to classic computing with the best intentions of doing something with them. I have not, so I will be letting the following expire: decvax.org dgeclipse.org dgnova.org hp1000.org hp2000.org pdp11.org rt-11.org You can of course wait to get them until they expire via your registrar of choice. If you want them sooner, let me know and after a week or so I'll subjectively decide who to approve a transfer to their registrar. Best, J

5 years, 7 months

domains available (FTGH)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Over the years I've snagged a few domains related to classic computing with the best intentions of doing something with them. I have not, so I will be letting the following expire: decvax.org dgeclipse.org dgnova.org hp1000.org hp2000.org pdp11.org rt-11.org You can of course wait to get them until they expire via your registrar of choice. If you want them sooner, let me know and after a week or so I'll subjectively decide who to approve a transfer to their registrar. Best, J

5 years, 7 months

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