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CLASSICCMP digest 39

by classicjr＠juno.com

Is this list still active? I haven't received any digests for several days. Please continue my subscription.

28 years, 1 month

Australian computers...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, In mid June I will be travelling to Australia and while I am there it would be nice to pick up some classic computers. So my question is, are there any home computers that were mainly found in Australia? I know of the System-80, which I know as a Video Genie (a TRS-80 clone), and I think the Microbee also originates from Australia. All information will be gratefully recieved. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/ PS. I may be able to squeeze in some small UK items to trade so let me know if you are interested and are in Brisbane or Sydney.

28 years, 1 month

Weekend Finds

by idavis＠comland.com

I went on a little shopping spree this weekend, and actually managed to find some stuff this weekend. It seems every garage sale in the north Austin area is nothing but junk, but I finally managed to find a little place with some of everything. I asked the guy if they had any atari stuff, joysticks or games, and he told me to follow him to the back. He had a box full of joysticks, and other assorted junk. I picked up the box and some other carts for my 2600 for $40. When I got home, I dug every thing out, and this is what I found. 1) Odessey2 with joysticks attached. But no power supply. Anyone know the voltage and polarity for this old thing? Of course no cartridges either, but maybe next time. 2) Mattel Aquarius with box, manual, and cassette cables and software. 3) About 20 atari 2600 carts, most of them were ones I had been looking for like air/sea battle. I don't really want to collect rare carts, just the ones I had when I was a kid. 4) Coleco Gemini Video Game System. It plays atari 2600 cartridges, and it turns on, but the screen stays black. No clue, and I don't really have the electronic equipment or knowledge to fix it. I might let my dad check it out. He's a radar technician with a lot of equipment. Maybe I should get him to teach me. 5) An 8-track tape - Spotlight the greatest hits of Gene Pitney, Del Shannon, and Tommy Roe. I'm debating whether or not to dig out the 8-track player. 6) Assorted pile of power supplies. They look like they are for assorted answering machines. 7) An Atari 1010 cassette recorder. 8) A piece of telephone testing equipment I think. Has a switch (tone, off, pulse), a telephone plug, and two wires with alligator clips. I think it's for tracing telephone wires. 9) A pile of Atari joysticks, a coleco joystick, and a couple of various cartridges for assorted systems, none of which I own. Maybe that's the incentive I need. "I've got a cartridge honey, I could really use this old obsolete computer to make sure it works. You don't want to see this cartridge go to waste do you dear??" All in all it was a decent haul for me. This place is only open for 6 hours on the first saturday of the month, so I was lucky to even get in the place. I saw a ti-99/4a, but already spending $40 was pushing it for me. Maybe next month I will get to the back again and dig for more treasure. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

28 years, 1 month

Battery Leakage... Solution?

by starling＠umr.edu

Well... after a bit of searching, I've found a solution on www.flippers.com, a pinball homepage. The guy there says to remove all corrosion and then neutralize the alkali with a 50/50 solution of white vinegar and distilled water, scrub with toothbrush, rinse in distilled water, and then dry with a hairbrush. This sound feasible or is it a bad idea? thanks!

28 years, 1 month

PCB Corrosion?

by starling＠umr.edu

Last weekend I aquired an Apple Lisa 2/5 (finally!!), however the NiCad batteries that backed up the system clock have corroded and leaked all over the IO board and the backplane/motherboard (system uses a nifty CPU-on-card design like the OLD computers). Does anyone have any magic solutions to removing the green gunk from the printed circuit boards and components? I'm wanting to remove the stuff and preserve the system from further corrosion. (and yes, I am taking out those damn things) The green gunk has messed up one of the card slots so the IO card doesn't go. I plan to clean that out using one of those Nintendo cartridge slot cleaners (little card/pad thingy that you put stuff on and insert into slot). That'll get her running again for a while... but I really need all the gunk off and the corrosion STOPPED. any ideas that help save my Lisa would be greatly appreciated! chris starling

28 years, 1 month

Weekend Finds

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> 1) Odessey2 with joysticks attached. But no power supply. Anyone know the > voltage and polarity for this old thing? Of course no cartridges either, > but maybe next time. There's an Odyssey^2 FAQ at http://www.zoomnet.net/~kcassidy/o2faq.html and a old-videogame-power-supply list at http://www.clark.net/pub/vgr/lists/l_power.html One of these ought to have it. HTH, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley/classic for my classic game page!

28 years, 1 month

The List! (MORE additions/changes)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

28 years, 1 month

Apple IIC 3.5 Disk, Modem/printer cable wanted

by josh＠netins.net

I am looking for a 3.5 Disk & the odd DIN-5 modem or printer (Imagewriter I) cable for my newly aquired IIC. Would be willing to set up a trade...have an old tandy Portable Disk Drive 2. If anybody has those, or knows a place on the net' that doesn't charge +$50 for an old drive, please let me know! If there is a better place to post this, please let me know! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

28 years, 1 month

Apple IIC 3.5 Disk, Modem/printer cable wanted

by josh＠netins.net

>I think the DIN-5 cables for your modem and printer are the same ones still >used for the Mac. As for the floppy drive, I'd try looking at >comp.sys.apple2.marketplace. > >That failing, let me know and I'll dredge up the Altech address (it's not >www.alltech.com) - they sell refurbished a2 equipment Well, I have a mac and it uses a ? Mini-DIN 8? Thanks for the suggestion of Altech. I'll look them up! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

28 years, 1 month

CGL M5 tape

by nickc＠ladyland.demon.co.uk

Hi all... I picked up a CGL M5 and original rubber-keyed 48K Spectrum (complete with V23 modem!) a couple months back for a fiver. The M5 is in very good condition and complete with three cartridges and numerous original manuals all in perfect condition. It also came with a tape which i had a little play with today but i can't get anything but the first program (a screen colour test) to load :-( Looking at the tape it seems like its been through a dodgy tape deck at some stage as the tape itself has a couple of deep grooves in it. So, has anyone got a good tape they could copy for me? For information it's a grey cassette housing with a purple, green and white striped label marked "GAME" at the top and "Baseball, ZAC BANIC" at the bottom on both sides. I'm located in the UK and would happily send you a cheque to cover the cost of a blank tape and postage. TIA...Nick. -- Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.

28 years, 1 month

Another weekend haul, + collection list & wanted list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

OK, here's what I came up with this weekend: - Atari 800 in *perfect* condition with AC adapter and RF modulator (the latter two in their original boxes), with a full complement of RAM & ROM cards installed, and the original BASIC cartridge. Got this on my first stop! After that it was all gravy. - Three (3) Mattel Aquarius machines (these are quite rare, at least around here--got 3 in one place!! Weird!) with captive power supplies - Timex-Sinclair ZX1000 with RAM expansion pack - Spectravideo SV-328 in original color display box, with data cassette drive, also in original box (I've never actually seen one of these "in the flesh" before) - TI 99/4A original black/silver version, mint, in original color display box, with PS, RF modulator, manuals, etc. replacing my existing TI 99/4A that was all banged up - TI 99/4A original black/silver version with 2 perfect joysticks, voice synthesizer, PS, RF modulator (didn't need the machine itself, obviously, but the whole box worth was only $6) - TI 99/4A *expansion bay* (another rare piece) with flex cable card, RS232 card, 32K RAM card, and disk controller card, with one 5 1/4" floppy drive. Geez, this sucker weighs as much as an S100 bus machine! - TRS-80 Color Computer 1 in mint condition, replacing my existing CoCo1 that had significant wear - Rare Donkey Kong and Moon Patrol Atarisoft carts for the TI 99/4A - Non computer related: Raiders of the Lost Ark on RCA Selectavision CED Videodisc, mint Nothing like another thrift store weekend in the obscure corners of the Seattle/Tacoma/Everett metroplex! Kai ------- Current collection ------- ("for trade" items are, of course, available for trade!) (Want List follows) Computers Altair 8800 with original Altair boards Altair 8800b with original Altair boards, dual 8" drives Altair 8800b (under restoration) Apple II+ with two floppy drives, monitor arch, MS Softcard Apple Macintosh 128 with manuals, carrying case, System 1 Apple Macintosh 512K in original box (for trade) Apple Macintosh 512K (for trade, needs floppy drive) Apple Macintosh Plus (for trade) Atari 800 Atari 800XL with 1010 tape drive and 1050 floppy drive (for trade) Atari 1200XL (for trade) Coleco ADAM with manuals, printer Coleco ADAM Upgrade for Colecovision ("exp unit 3") Commodore PET 2001, original 'chiclet' keyboard version Commodore PET 2001, full size 'graphics' keyboard (for trade) Commodore VIC-20 (original version) in original box Commodore VIC-20 (later version) in original box (for trade) Commodore 64 in original box with 1541 drive in original box Commodore 64 in original box (for trade) Commodore 64 in original box (for trade) Commodore 128 in original box (for trade) Compaq Compaq Cromemco System 3 (rack mount version) with dual 8" IMSAI 8080 with IMSAI CPU, 64K SRAM, CompuPro dual 8" Ithaca InterSystems DPS-1 Kaypro 10 with internal 10MB HD, CP/M, apps Kaypro II Kaypro II (for trade) Mattel Aquarius Mattel Aquarius (for trade) Mattel Aquarius (for trade) Osborne 1 Spectravideo SV-328 Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 w/floppy drive, printer, manuals, case Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 (for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 (under restoration, for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I with floppy drive Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I (for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Model I with exp interface, 2 floppy drives Tandy TRS-80 Model III with 2 floppy drives Texas Instruments 99/4A in original box, with expansion bay Texas Instruments 99/4A (for trade) Texas Instruments 99/4A (for trade) Timex Sinclair ZX1000 with 4K RAM Expansion Timex Sinclair ZX1000 (for trade) Game Systems Atari 2600 w/2 joysticks, 2 paddles, original manual Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Atari Super Pong Coleco Telstar Classic in original box Coleco Telstar Colortron in original box Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Fairchild Channel F in original box GCE/Milton Bradley Vectrex with Multicart GCE/Milton Bradley Vectrex (for trade) Mattel Intellivision with Intellivoice module Mattel Intellivision II with Intellivoice module Mattel Intellivision (for trade) Milton-Bradley Microvision Nintendo NES Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box with Multicart Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box (for trade) Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box (for trade) Radio Shack Color TV Scoreboard in original box ------- Want List ------- Apple I Apple II Apple /// Apple Lisa Commodore Amiga 1000 in original box Compucolor II or 8051 Exidy Sorcerer IBM 5100 Portable KIM-1 Processor Tech SOL RCA COSMAC (ELF/VIP) The following in original boxes only: Atari 7800 Colecovision Emerson Arcadia 2001 Magnavox Odyssey (not Odyssey2) Mattel Intellivision RCA Studio II Sega Master System

28 years, 1 month

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Please, Sam. Would you stop using the title "yo" for all your messages? It makes life very difficult for those of us who get the digest version and only read some selected messages. Put something nice and descriptive instead. On a similar note, when someone replies to a digest, don't use the name of the digest as the subject. /Fredrik

28 years, 1 month

Trade Sun for Atari ST?

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

I do not have anything to trade, but are you willing to sell? Mike ---------- From: Paul E Coad To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Trade Sun for Atari ST? Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 9:25PM Someone in LA "Miscellaneous Lists" <lists(a)phx6.phxmedia.com> wanted to trade a Sun 3 for my Atari ST. I have sent a few emails, but have received no response. If you are still interested, contact me via email. If anyone else (in Northern/Central) California would like to trade old Sun/Unix/interesting machines/equipment/software for an Atari ST, let me know. I would prefer not to ship this stuff since it is pretty heavy and fills several cubic feet. --pec ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Here is the list of stuff: 1 Atari 1040STF 3 SH204 Harddisks 1 SF314 Floppy drive 1 SF854 Floppy drive 1 SC1224 Monitor (color) 2 STM1 Mouse 1 Marconi RB2 Trackball 1 Standard Atari joystick There are also a bunch of cables for connecting everything togther, 10 or so magazines, a BASIC manual, 10 or so floppy disks, and what I believe are schematics for the monitor.

28 years, 1 month

weekend acquisitions 2

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> Superexpander with 3K Ram cartridge ** > > ** This does not look any different from the 8K cartridge. I'm not > sure what the "Superexpander" part really means. It is not the expander > which allows multiple carts to be plugged in at the same time. This is a 3k ram expansion (obviously) plus a ROM with additional BASIC commands to make graphics and sound a bit easier. It also gives the ability to map commands to the function keys. I probably have the manual in a box downstairs. If you really want a photocopy I could get one to you. ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

28 years, 1 month

The List!

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

>On Thu, 1 May 1997, Bill Whitson wrote: > ================================================================== > MANUFACTURER > MODELCPU RAM OSTYPEYR > ================================================================== > Sinclair Research, Ltd.------------------------------------------- > ZX81 Z80A 1K ?? MICRO 85 Actually, I believe the ZX-81 came out in 1981, as shown below. I bought my Timex-Sinclair in late 1982, if I remember correctly. Also, the documentation that was included with the ZX-81 I have has letters from Sinclair Research dated March 10, 1982, as well as a review of the ZX-81 in Englad dated August 1981. Two interesting things about this: 1) the ZX-81 I have was originally delivered in kit form and still has the assembly diagrams and such; 2) The magazine review, taken from "Personal Computer World" and re-published in "Creative Computing", November 1981, states that at the time, the ZX-81 was available in England but not yet in the U.S. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

28 years, 1 month

recent finds

by welsh＠sleepy.ponyexpress.net

28 years, 1 month

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At 07:38 PM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >> There is a label on the motherboard (which is huge, >> measuring almost 2 feet square) which says "Corona Data Systems" and then >> "200290-512" which I am guessing means it has 512K. > >Corona Data Systems was an early IBM-PC clone manufacturer from >1983 or so. I thought they went out of business when IBM sued >them big time for infringing IBM's BIOS copyright. Sam, Just in case you're interested, I do have the original Corona-specific versions of MS-DOS for their machines, both 1.25 and 2.11. I would think you'd be able to boot it with just about any 5-1/4" boot disk though, as I know of someone that got a new Pentium to boot with the Corona 2.11 disk, so there doesn't seem to be anything odd in the bios calls at boot up. There do appear to be some Corona-specific utilities on them though. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Amiga 3000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari MegaST-2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, TRS-80 Model IV Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

28 years, 1 month

CLASSICCMP digest 40

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Lemme see if I can do some work on the Commodore Portion: (I'll leave the updating to one of you folks -please?-) Commodore--------------------------------------------------------- 128C 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 85 128D 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 87 BASIC 2.0 & 7.0 64 6510 64K CBMOS MICRO 82 BASIC 2.0 655 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Never heard of it. Amiga 1000 68000 256K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 1.1, 1.2 Amiga 500 68000 512K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 1.2, 1.3 CBM 3008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? BASIC 2.0 CBM 4004 6502 4K ?? MICRO 79 I strongly doubt this one, a 4004??? CBM 4008 * 6502 8K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 CBM 4016 * 6502 16K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 CBM 4032 * 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 * Should have designation for small or large screen such as FF for Fat Forty (large screen models were alway BASIC 4.0, small screen could be 2.0 or 4.0) CBM 8008? 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? 8k? I don't think there ever was one... I could be wrong. :/ CBM 8016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8096 6502 96k ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8296 6502 96k ?? MICRO ?? BASIC 4.0 CBM B256-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM P-500 6509/8086 opt. 128k BASIC 4.0 MICRO 82 Should be CBM P-500 Any 'real' ones have been P-500s. I have one. I never read of a B-128 40 or B-256 40. CBM B128-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? 6509/8086 opt. 128k BASIC 4.0 There is a 700 But not sure if it is a repeat. Executive 64 6510 64K CBMOS PORT. 83 BASIC 2.0 PET 2001 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 4k,8k BASIC1.0 or 2.0 PET 2001B 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001N 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 8,16,32k BASIC 2.0 16 ---- 16K ?? MICRO 84 Plus 4 ---- 64K ?? MICRO 84 8501 BASIC 3.5 CBM SP9000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? SuperPET 6502 & 6809 96K ?? MICRO 81 Same computer^^^^^^^^^^ BASIC 4.0 & MANY Others VIC-20 6502 5K ?? MICRO 81 BASIC 2.0 Additions: Ultimax 6510 4K BASIC 2.0 MICRO 82 Amiga 2000 68000 1,024k ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 86 Amiga 2500 68020 ? ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 8? Amiga 3000 Amiga 600 68000 1,024k ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 8? Amiga 1200 68020 2,048k ADOS 2.0 3.? MICRO Amiga 4000 68030?40? ADOS 2.0 3.? Amiga 4000T 68030?40? ADOS 3.? Commodore PC-10, PC-20, Commodore Colt, etc. IBM clones, (who cares.) Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 1 month

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Sam Ismail wrote: > Altair, Imsai and SWTPC? (Especially the last -- I > prefer Motorola to Intel). OOPS! I have a Motorola-based Altair... (Altair 680) Maybe we can feature it? (Just kidding, but I thought I should point out your slight error.) ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

28 years, 1 month

The List! (additions/changes)

by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

Some other comments: The Exormacs from Motorola never, as far as I knew, ever ran Unix. It predated the Unix bit. I don't know that the VME/10 ever ran Unix, either. The preferred OS on those machines was VERSAdos. I like VERSAdos, still use it occasionally. Powerful enough to be quite useful, and clunky enough to be interesting! Apparently, there is enough legacy in VERSAdos that a 3rd party has "inherited" the rights and still sells it as a Real-Time Operating System! The CPU in a CC-40 was not a 9900, but rather a TMS7000. Still an interesting processor from my favorite company, Texas Instruments! There were several makes to the 990 mini line, but I'm not familiar with it. Some used discrete logic, some used the 9900 processor chip for the CPU. The OS of choice was DX-10. -- ********************************************** * David Ormand *** Southwest 99ers * * dlormand(a)aztec.asu.edu *** Tucson, Arizona * **************************** TMS9900 Lives! *

28 years, 1 month

The List! (additions/changes)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| > - Add: Apple/Tempest TPI 863T milspec Macintosh, 68000, 1986 | Which company actually manufactured it? Apple shipped the internal components to Tempest, who put it in a milspec housing. | > - Add: Apple/Honeywell "Black Apple" custom manufactured Apple II+ | Same as the Bell&Howell black apple or different? Duh! Of course I meant Bell & Howell. | > - Change: Atari Mega machines were the Mega ST (with 1, 2 or 4MB, 1987) | > and the Mega STE (improved, 1991). I've never heard of a "Mega 1" or | > "Mega 2" | This info came from a 1989 Atari price list - as you can imagine I'm | now slightly confused... Did a quick bit of research - the numbers indicate amount of RAM only. The two Megas are the Mega ST and Mega STe (lower case e). | > - Add: Commodore Amiga 2000/3000/4000 (Too new?) | Yeah - I pretty much stick with the 10 years or older guideline. The A2000 was introduced in March 1987 along with the A500, so I guess they're under the wire :) | > - Add: Data General MicroNOVA series, and Data General portable | Probably going to need a little more data... The portable was called the Data General 1. The original MicroNOVA was the MN601 (by PDP-8 designer Edson DeCastro, who came to Data General from DEC). Trivia: Did you know that AViiON is NOVA spelled backwards with an "ii" (signifying 2) in the middle, as in NOVA II ? | > - Add: Intecolor CompuColor II, 8080A, ~1979 | Are you sure that this is not actually one of the listed model | numbers? The CompuColor II was only referred to as such in any ads I ever saw. It was a 13" color display system with a hard-sectored 5 1/4" drive to the right of the monitor, and a keyboard with multicolored keys. Trivia: CompuColor CP/M had no FORMAT, you had to buy formatted diskettes from Intecolor. | > - Change: "Kaypro Corp" should be Non-Linear Systems | I think you're right (as that's what my Kaypros say) but I've seen it also | listed as Kaypro Corp... was there a name change? Kaypro was founded in 1952 as Non-Linear Systems, the first manufacturer of digital voltmeters. Somewhere along the line they changed to Kaypro Corporation, but I don't think they did so until their Chapter 11 in ~1990. Certainly at the time of the Kaypro II, they were still known as Non-Linear Systems. Trivia: Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2010 on a Kaypro II. By the way, now that I think about it, the KIM-1 was by MOS Technologies, which hadn't yet changed their name to Commodore. I don't know how you want to handle that. | > - Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim | > Shoppa has one) | And I'm sure he'll be popping up sooner or later... North Star Advantage, as Bill kindly pointed out. There was also a similar IMSAI with built-in monitor, I have a catalog at home with the name. Kai

28 years, 1 month

Osborne 1 prices (was: On Generations of People and Computers )

by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

> A ][+ running AppleWorks? You're a sadist. Seems to work reasonably well. Think it's probably the RAM card that saves it. > > What kind of voice recog. card do you have? I have one as well but I > can't recall off-hand who the manufacturer is. I'll check it out and get back to you. -Ron Mitchell

28 years, 1 month

The List! (additions/changes)

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> By the way, now that I think about it, the KIM-1 was by MOS > Technologies, which hadn't yet changed their name to Commodore. I don't > know how you want to handle that. If I'm not mistaken, both names are on the board. I have a close-up picture of that somewhere... I'll try to dig it out tommorrow. ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

28 years, 1 month

The List! (additions/changes)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 03:58 PM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Great list! Some additions & changes: ...and yet some more... >- Add: MITS Altair 680, 68000, 1976 Ummm... no. 6800 mpu (not 68000) >- Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim >Shoppa has one) The NorthStar "Advantage" (I have one too) >- Change: NorthStar Horizons primarily ran NSDOS Interesting... Many I worked with ran OASIS. B^} -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 1 month

by dastar＠crl.com

*** Preliminary Announcement *** First Annual Classic Computer Collector Conference Why? Next question... Where? Livermore, California (tentative...actual venue TBD) When? Late Summer 1997 (possibly August) Who? Organizer: Sam Ismail Sponsors: Pending (targeted sponsors will be Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories and other computer manufacturers in the local area and Silicon Valley). What? The Classic Computer Collector Convention is slated to be the premier computer faire to attend to meet with fellow classic computer collector geeks, buy/sell/trade classic computer stuff, exchange classic computer software and classic computer hints and tips, attend workshops on classic computer preservation and restoration, and of course see classic computers. Some show features: Classic Computer Spotlight - every year a legendary system is chosen to be heralded as the classic computer of the year (nominees for the first show are Altair 8800; Apple ][; Commodore PET; ???). Classic Computer Pioneer - every year an individual from the annals of computer lore will be chosen as the Classic Computer Pioneer of the year. This would be someone who had a lasting legacy or made a historical impact on the computer industry, but is not necessarily active anymore (ie. this precludes Bill Gates from qualifying). Nominees: Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M; Steve Wozniak; ??? Classic Computer Museum - A classic museum will be set-up on-site to allow interested public to see what classic computers are all about. Attendees will be encouraged to submit their favorite classics for display during the show. The success of the show will depend on attendance. Admission will be enough to cover the costs of running the show (including lease of the venue, advertising, etc). Although there won't be much of a vending atmosphere (unless people want to haul their stuff from all over the country) space will be sold for such purposes. More details as I come up with them. I would really appreciate feedback from the patrons of this discussion group. Any ideas, comments, suggestions are welcome (please suggest a better name!) IMPORTANT: Please keep this information within this discussion group until the details have been finalized and the show is a go. I don't want to announce to the general public until I am sure this event will take place. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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