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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

the first one is a bal-500 eprom programmer. it fits in a slot, but it's too tall to run with the cover on! it's not a pc card either. anyone with info on this? the second is a mpc peripherals ap-32 card. its full length with a language card connector, and empty socket for eprom i guess and 6 leds at the top and a toggle switch at the back. the third one is a full length card called an appli-card by pcpi. the last one is a full length card that looks older than most made by axlon 1981. it has a 34 pin header at the top of the card. lots of 74lxxxx chips. no other identification for this one. i can take pictures of these with my quickcam and make available on my page if need be. if anyone knows anything about these cards, give me a shout please. david

28 years, 7 months

My weekend DEC haul...

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: I was able to score the following from Temple Univ. on Friday. There is still a load of stuff for older machines, and older machines themselves (such as a load of 11/23s, a handful of 11/40s, two 11/34s, plenty of RL01s, monitors, printers, etc. Too much to report...and I didn't even have time to get to the "documents" room, where they had software and manuals for all of the hardware. I spent over 4 hours there and didn't even scratch the surface. I'll be going back in early-October to get more stuff. Here's what I got: 1 DEC 6' 19" rack with 30a power controller 1 MultiTech modem rack and 2 DEC communications servers. The rack is filled with 10 2400-baud modems. 2 DECMate terminals minus keyboards :-( maybe next time. 1 EPROM programmer/IC tester (no disk; bummer) - Miscellaneous cables 1 RD52 hard drive; bad power supply and the grandaddy of them all: A working VAXstation I. Hadrware/software unknown at this time, although I can identify a console port, an Ethernet AUI port, and 12 serial ports. Now, I have a shopping list for my next trip, and I need to see the docs and software room. Time to play... +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | | <rcini(a)msn.com> | | MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, | | Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a | | collector of classic computers | +============================================+

28 years, 7 months

anyone heard of "lobo drives"?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I decided to catalog all my apple ][ stuff this weekend and rediscovered some controller cards and some drive analog cards by a company called lobo drives. they are in good shape, but definately appear to be their age. the circuit boards for the controller cards is almost translucent and they don't seem to have the component or soldering/design quality that later model cards have. several the the analog cards are missing the 74ls125? chip, probably because of incorrect cabling. anyone heard of this company? are the parts worth keeping? david

28 years, 7 months

PDP11/15

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

After all the discussion here recently about collecting PDP11's I have located one which I intend negotiating for. I haven't actually seen it yet. It is a PDP11/15, a model number that I haven't seem mentioned. Is there a listing somewhere on the web that describes the various models as there is for PDP8's ? This one apparently dates from about 1970, and is probably incomplete. There was talk of a rack, the PDP11/15 itself, some RKO5 disk drives and some boxes labelled PDP11/10 which may be other computers. There is no other IO device other than front panel switches. Could this equipment be used with a more recent terminal? I have no chance of finding a card reader or teletype but have access to several VT220's.

28 years, 7 months

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28 years, 7 months

What is this tape cartridge?

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I was checking out the local surplus shop looking for a 19" rack for my latest computer project, no luck there but I did find some other stuff. What I'm really wondering about is this tape cartridge I found: COUSINO Echo-matic II Self Threading Tape Cartridge Orrtronics, Incorporated Toledo, Ohio, USA It's quarter inch tape in a clear case approximatly 1" x 3.5" x 5" in size, and rounded on one end. The actual tape reel is about 2.25" and has almost no tape on it. The tape looks to be a continous loop. Does anyone have any idea what this is? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

28 years, 7 months

FW: SMD Disk drive, FREE to good home -- UK

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Can one of our UK readers help with this? Fellow's got an SMD drive free to the first caller. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I have a surplus Fujitsu M2333K (330MB) SMD drive to give away. This is an 8" unit with power supply, and - as far as I know - in working order. It's presently in a small cabinet which was built to hold four of these units. Pressure of space forces me to get rid of it, so it's free to a good home, providing you collect it from York (UK). Otherwise, sadly, it will contribute to some landfill site... Pete <pnt103(a)cs.york.ac.uk> Tel. York (01904) 488699 -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

28 years, 7 months

What's this ISA card?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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28 years, 7 months

PRELIMINARY Vintage Computer Festival Announcement

by dastar＠crl.com

This announcement is aimed to inform the members of the classiccmp community of the plans for the upcoming Vintage Computer Festival and is not intended for general distribution. Vintage Computer Festival The Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) is an event held to celebrate computers and their history. Due to the incredible pace of computing technology, computers at least ten years and older are the main focus of this event. Meet other collectors to trade tips, stories and even computers, hear talks by notable computer industry figures, attend workshops geared towards the vintage computer collector, visit the on-site interactive vintage computer museum. Two days of celebrating the science and technology of our diverse computer heritage! Event Highlights Vintage Pioneer (Featured Speaker) TBA - Candidates include Steve Wozniak (Inventor and co-founder of Apple Computer), Lee Felsenstein (Inventor of the SOL-20 Computer), Chris Espinosa (Legendary Programmer, Apple Computer). Guest Speakers TBA - Candidates include Jodelle French (Curator, Intel Museum), Robert X. Cringely (Author of _Accidental Empires_, Producer of _Triumph of the Nerds_ as seen on PBS), Steven Levy (Author of _Hackers_), Paul Fridell (Designer of IBM 5120), Kip Crosby (President of Computer History Association of California) Vintage Computer Spotlight Each year a classic computer is chosen to be featured in the Vintage Computer Spotlight. This year, being the 20th anniversary of the Apple ][, what else but the Apple ][ will be featured. What's more, each year's Vintage Computer Spotlight subject will be the grand-prize of the end-of-show drawing. All attendees will be automatically entered to win this year's Spotlight computer, an original Apple ][ with Integer BASIC ROMS! Workshops A panel of vintage computer collectors will give talks on topics relating to the hobby of classic computer collecting. Discussions will include: Restoration and preservation of old computers - external and internal cleaning tips and techniques; basic electronic repair tips; storage procedures for the long haul Software preservation with a focus on storage tips and techniques for the long haul Computer Collecting 101 - basic computing skills including operation, disk formats, serial communcations basics, how to recognize computers and their peripherals Vintage Computer Museum A hands-on, interactive museum featuring many examples of classic computing machinery through the years. The exhibit is composed of artifacts on loan from the collections of organizations and individuals, and will span the course of decades from the 1950s to the 1980s. Vending A swap-meet style vending area where attendees can shop for old, in some cases antique computers, peripherals, documentation and software. No IBM clones here, just good old classic computers. Where and When TBA - Tentative dates: October 18-19, 1997 Venue TBA - Tri-Valley Area, East Bay (San Francisco Bay Area) Admission - TBD Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 7 months

Computers (fwd)

by manney＠nwohio.com

> > Switch 1-2 tells it (both PC and XT) about the presence of the coprocessor. > > (I do, btw, have an 8087 in my collection...only one I've ever seen! Even > > rarer was the 8088 to 386 SX-16 upgrade board...the world's s-l-o-w-e-s-t > > 386.) > > K00L. How long does it take to install Linux using that? :-)} Ya know, I was going to try to run Windows on it -- it came with 1 MB. That ought to be interesting across an 8 bit bus. You suppose I could fit enough files on my ST-412? Manney

28 years, 7 months

Maybe not here-floppy for Toshiba

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

I know that this really doesn't belong here, but in some circles, the old Toshiba laptop that I have may be considered a classic! Anyway, I'm looking for help finding an internal floppy drive for my Toshiba 3100/20 laptop. It's a portable, non-battery Red plasma laptop, with a messed-up 720k floppy drive. Does anyone know where I can get one of these. Toshiba want's over $150 for one, and I won't pay that for a crappy 720k drive on a free machine. Any leads appreciated! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

28 years, 7 months

Lisa II Power supply wanted in Bay Area...

by kevan＠heydon.org

Hi, I have been looking for a power supply for my Lisa II for some time now, but as Lisa seem to be very rare in the UK I have had no luck so far. I guess they are more common in the US, so I am putting out this email in the hope of finding someone who has a spare they can let me have. I know of someone who would be willing to transport one back from the Bay Area this weekend which would be real good because it would save a lot in shipping costs. Many thanks for listening... -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

28 years, 7 months

East Coast PDP's

by danjo＠xnet.com

Boy I thought I had lost this one 8-( But NOPE I found it! Harvard seems to have an excess. I can't get there but you people on the East Caost may have a beter chance. Please talk to Clifford. > From chen47(a)fas.harvard.edu Mon Aug 11 19:55:23 1997 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:18:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: Clifford Chen <chen47(a)fas.harvard.edu> > To: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com> > Subject: Re: PDP-11 miscellany for sale Hi. Sorry for the extreme delay, but we've had quite a time organizing and documenting our stuff. In any case, here's the list we drew up: Hardware: 1 Digital Decscope (vt-52) 1 Heathkit H19 Terminal (vt-52?) 2 DecWriter II's 1 PDP-11/05 1 PDP-Industrial 11 (a model 35, I think) 1 RK-05 drive + interface 1 Card reader 9+ bus interfaces 1 RK-07 disk drive and 48 inch rack 2 Expansion boxes with power supplies 3 extra power supplies lots of unidentifiable circuit boards 1 RL-01 disk 1 Nashua 15-12 disk a bunch of RK-05 cartridges 1 MT-11 Tape drive and rack Documentation: 1) RT-11 System Reference Manual 2) Programming RSX-11 in Macro and Fortran 3) Workbook for 2) 4) RSX-11 Task Builder manual 5) RSX-11 I/O drivers reference manual 6) RT-11 Software Support Manual 7) RT-11 System Message Manual 8) RT-11 Programmer's Reference Manual 9) RSX-11M PDP-11 Record Management System 10) RSX-11M System generation and installation 11) PDP-11 DL-11 asynchronous line interface engineering drawings 12) RK-05 Engineering drawings 13) KW11-2 Engineering drawings 14) Bootstrap Terminator schematics 15) BA-11-K Mounting box manual 16) RK-07 Schematics 17) KT-11D Memory Manager schematics 18) ME-11L Core memory Schematics 19) KE11-F Floating Instruction Set Schematics 20) TM11 DEC Magtape Schematics 21) KW11-P Programmable Real-time clock Schematics 22) TU10 DEC Magtape engineering drawings 23) Power supply/chassis engineering drawings 24) DL-11 Asynchronous Line interface schematics 25) H720 Power supply and rackmount drawings 26) RK-711N schematics 27) DL-11 Asynchronous line interface schematics 28) Restart Loader schematic 29) KT-11D Memory Manager 30) PDP-11/05 engineering drawings 31) LAXX-KG drawings 32) RK-05J engineering drawings 33) More RK-05 engineering drawings 34) RK-11D disk controller schematics 35) RK-611 schematics 36) KD-11A schematics 37) Qume daisywheel manual and schematics 38) Heathkit terminal manual 39) RK-07 manual and schematics 40) DECwriter 2 manual 41) Model 1770 memory manual 42) KT-11 memory manager manual 43) DL-11 asynchronous line interface manual 44) RT-11 Software Support Manual 45) RT-11 System User's guide 46) RT-11 Documentation Directory 47) RT-11 System reference manual 48) Qume interface manual 49) RX-02 floppy manual 50) RT-11 Programmer's manual 51) RT-11 System release notes 52) RT-11 Fortran manual 53) Kermit Manual 54) DSR (text formatter) manual 55) RT-11 intro 56) Decwriter II maintenance manual 57) RT-11 Basic manual 58) RT-11 software support manual 59) LISP manual 60) ODT Reference (RSX-11) 61) RSX-11 Crash dump analyer manual 62) RSX-11 Error logging 63) RSX-11 System Library routines 64) RSX-11 diagnostics 65) RSX-11 System library update notice 66) RSX-11 Program development 67) RSX-11 I/O operations 68) Random pages from a 1984 Byte magazine 69) Centronics Series 100 Printer manual 70) M200 Card Reader manual 71) Raytheon PDP-11 repair manual 72) RX211 floppy controller drawings 73) KT-11D memory management manual 74) KW11-L programmable clock manual 75) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 76) MM11S, MF-11L, MF11-D core memory systems 77) BA11K mounting box manual 78) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 79) XXDP - PDP11 diagnostic manual 80) MS11-L MOS memory users guide 81) PDP-11/05-s, PDP-11/10-s system manual 82) BA11K mounting box 83) BA11K technical manual 84) DL-11 asynchronous line manual 85) DR11-W direct memory interface module 86) BA-11K engineering drawings BC -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Classic Computer Rescue List URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ Name: Classic Computer ListOp URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/

28 years, 7 months

Finding and Caring for PDP's or VAX's

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, For quite some time I've been pondering getting either a PDP or a VAX, I'm wondering about a few things. First and formost would be how does one go about finding one :^) and what kind of price can I expect? Also, what would space and power requirements be? Yes, I'm aware they vary in size from tiny little things, up to systems that require a full sized computer floor. I'm thinking a system that would fit in a garage as far a size goes. Also what would be a good source to familiarize myself with the various models as I embark upon my latest quest? Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

28 years, 7 months

Multiple Topics...

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:51:45 -0500 (CDT), Brett wrote this: > http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp ^^^^^^^^ Why do I always parse this as "halitosis"? :-) ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum/ | ICBM: N42:21 W71:46 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

28 years, 7 months

Anyone ever?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Anyone ever run STiK on an ATARI ST? I have it up and it works, but I can't seem to get a DNS resolution, If i manually put in IP's its works and connects, say to IRC. But I can't get it to resolve names against IP's I have the entries in Default.cfg that the docs SAY that works, but it dosn't appear to. Line is NAMESERVER x.x.x.x and NAMESERVER0 x.x.x.x obviously, in my configuration I have the ip's for our nameservers.

28 years, 7 months

Wait! Crossed cable! It booted, it booted!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

It booted! It's up! I have no idea what to do! And it IS RSTS/E!

28 years, 7 months

Old arcade game?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:50 PM 8/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >flakes all over it from that age. Anyway, it was simply a black and white >game in which you control a motorcycle (a white dot or line) down the >road, again white lines, and try not to die. A very simple game. I also There was a game called "Night Driver" that was similar. It too was simple graphically, with a pair of dotted(?) lines scrolling downward to indicate the edge of the road. It would bend right and left -- curves -- and you had to steer between them. Had a real steering wheel and an accellerator pedal, possibly a high-low gear shift as well. I know there was a sit-down model, there may have been a stand-up version as well. It was incredibly simple, especially compared to some of the high-end, need-a-pentium-and-3d-video-card games out today, but it was actually a lot of fun. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 7 months

Multiple Topics...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Getting _new_ 8" drives is next-to-impossible < <No, not really. I just call up California Digital (310-217-0500, <or look at http://www.cadigital.com/) and FedEx brings the drives There is that. Myself I only have two sets of 8" to worry about one sa800 on the cp/m crate (rarely used and that drive is generally powered off) and my RX02s. Around here 02s are easy to find and I have spares for everything on it. I also hardly use that, noisy, I have hard drives, rx50 and rx33 as well. It's there for compatability. Nearly every system I have has been migrated toward 3.5" drives or up scaled 5.25s where possible. Exceptions are the Vt180 where compatability is required and the odd 360k floating around. The PDP-11 and vax DEC hardware it's not a choice for the most part and I keep them compatable. Three goals are accomplished, single 3.5" media, more storage than 8 or 5" formats and power down with media in place is not problematic. All 3.5" PC/PS2 compatable drives have write interlock on power fail. One unique thing I've done is to embed two PS2 720k 3.5" floppies inside a kaypro as 782k hard disks. They are drives A: and B:. They have power fail but, their bezels are specific to the IBM case. They can be found real cheap as a result and are a deal. Using Advent turborom in the 5.25/96tpi mode puts 781k on them. By putting them on a bracket inside the case they are captive and amount to a slow small hard disk from the user side. For CP/M use 1.5m of on line storage not including the 3.5<782k> and 360k 5.25 on the front pannel makes for a fairly roomy system. That system has a 2meg ramdisk so it can boot and copy the floppies to ramdisk for speed. Advantages include if the media fails pop the cover and put in a new disk and it's less likely to crash the disk if dropped. The only other storage I keep around is the TU58 dectapeII as it's serial and can be plugged into anything that can do RS232/423. At 256k a cart its not big or fast. What I'd like to find out how to do is use the floppy interfaced tapes for non-PC systems. These drives in the smaller storage sizes can be found cheap and even new ones aren't too expensive. Allison

28 years, 7 months

Darn! Darn darn darn! RA81 problems continue: No O/S?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I plugged everything up, and fired her up. b du and b du0 hit the harddisk for a second, then it returns to the ODT prompt. Does this mean no O/S?

28 years, 7 months

9-track tape drive: What is this?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> writes: > [IEEE488/centronics/whatever connectors] > >From the HP-97S user manual (I have one on loan for a demonstration in a > few weeks...) > > 'Your peripheral device is connected to the HP-97S interface with a > standard 25-pair telephone connector (Amphenol 57-30500 or equivalent)' Ah. Yes, we used to call the 50-pin version a telephone or telco connector because, well, that's where we used to find most of them: going to a 5-line office phone, or on the side of a punch-block. But HP-IB and Centronics printer connectors didn't have enough pins to be called telco connectors. Besides, HP-IB used bigger, stackable screws, and Centronics printer connectors had those ears. It wasn't 'til I saw the 50-pin Centronicsish SCSI connector that I started to get confused. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 7 months

PDP11/15

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Since no-one seems to have answered this, I shall put my bit in. I am no PDP expert, though. > After all the discussion here recently about collecting PDP11's I have > located one which I intend negotiating for. I haven't actually seen it yet. > > It is a PDP11/15, a model number that I haven't seem mentioned. Is there a > listing somewhere on the web that describes the various models as there is > for PDP8's ? The 11/15 and 11/20 were two variants of the original PDP11 CPU, which came out in 1970 (I think). The processor itself may have been called the KA11, but I am not sure of this. The difference between them was system configuration, AFAIK. > This one apparently dates from about 1970, and is probably incomplete. > There was talk of a rack, the PDP11/15 itself, some RKO5 disk drives and > some boxes labelled PDP11/10 which may be other computers. There is no > other IO device other than front panel switches. PDP 11/10 is usually an 11/05 variant (again the difference is configuration of the system), dating from c. 1974 (and full of TTL - 74XX device codes and 74XX date codes can be very confusing). But I have heard rumours of an 11/15 variant of that name. No doubt Allison, Tim or Tony will tell you all about this. One day I shall get my 11/10 working... > Could this equipment be used with a more recent terminal? I have no chance > of finding a card reader or teletype but have access to several VT220's. AFAIK it will require a current loop interface. Some quite late terminals had this feature - I use something called a Westward Graphics Terminal. Philip.

28 years, 7 months

8" disk alignment

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

> Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> said: >5.25" and 3.5" alignment disks are still available (but expect to pay $100 >a time...). I can't find 3" (Amstrad, etc) or 8" alignment disks anywhere, >alas... I don't know if anyone's responded to this yet. (I'm behind in my mail again). But you might try Accurite Technologies Inc. here in the bay area. They're at http://www.accurite.com When I talked to them about a year ago, they said they believe that they are the only ones in the world still making 8" alignment disks. They sell both 8" analog alignment diskettes and 8" digital diagnostic diskettes. Don't quote me on this but, I seem to remember them saying that the 8" diskettes were $65 each. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA =========================================

28 years, 7 months

RA81 problem found!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Ha! Got it! The drive READY light had one of the little posts broken off, that's why it never booted! It was drive 1! But I have to wait till I'm off the clock & my boss leaves before I can test the theory...

28 years, 7 months

Computers (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > Switch 1-2 tells it (both PC and XT) about the presence of the coproces <> > (I do, btw, have an 8087 in my collection...only one I've ever seen! Ev <> > rarer was the 8088 to 386 SX-16 upgrade board...the world's s-l-o-w-e-s <> > 386.) <> <> K00L. How long does it take to install Linux using that? :-)} I have an xt class machine with an inboard386 and linux is not possible as it only has 1meg of ram and the expansion is off the inboard. FYI the inboard386 was an 386SX/16 compared the the v20 at 4.77mhz it's fast! Allison

28 years, 7 months

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