Had a pretty good week picked up the following:
1. Pet 2001-8 with manuals (5.00)
2. Heath HTX-10 about the size of a C64, anyone have info on this one. Also
need the 9pin power supply for this unit (5.00)
3. TRS-80 pocket printer parts
4. Apple Color Plus non working (5.00)
5. HP86 with 82936A Rom Drawer cartridge, 82909A 128k Memory module, 82908A
64k Memory module (4.00)
6. VIC Music Composer (.80)
7. VIC Forth (.80)
8. A 1' X 2' box full of new and used parts (still have to get into it)
Well that's my finds for the week, have a big computer auction to attend on
Saturday.
Stopped at a new used-computer store and...
After talking and business cards he offeres me a tandy 1000(25-1051) with
docs, cables everything but a monitor and disks.
Get it home open it up and it's got:
20meg HDcard
Diamond trackstar (128k apple board uses appleDOS3.3)
1200baud modem
Docs and the tech manual for the t-1000.
not bad, eh!
I need to fire it up and see what's on the harddrive (hope its the
trackstart files).
Allison
Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> wrote:
> The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting
> architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of
> its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent
> new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from
> the late 70's early 80's.
The "classic" HP 3000 is identified by its series. Numbers <= 70, no
designation at all, and the letters "CX" alone mean it's the classic
stack machine. Numbers >= 900 mean it's a PA-RISC 3000.
The first HP 3000s were shipped in November 1972, and were pretty much
a disaster -- HP ended up recalling them. But they kept plugging at
it and turned it into what I think is one of the finest
transaction-processing systems available. I'm not sure when the last
classics were introduced, but I think HP continued to sell some of the
low-end ones (Micro 3000 GX/LX/RX) into the early 1990s, certainly
into the late 1980s. The last of them go out of support life over the
next year or so, though.
HP 9000 series 500 (520, 540, 550, was there a 530?) are 32-bit stack
machines inside, with the potential for multiple CPUs and IOPs on the
larger systems. I think HP now has something called a T500 that is
PA-RISC based; the old series 500s are pretty much forgotten (but not
all gone, I have a 520 in storage that I need to reanimate). HP sold
these from the early-to-mid 1980s before they were superseded by fast
Motorola 680[23]0s and PA-RISC systems (series 300/400 and 800/700).
-Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits)
<fmc(a)reanimators.org>
Uhhhh...was it my deodorant?
=-)
Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote:
> unsubscribe
>
> ----------
> From: Anthony Clifton
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update
> Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:21PM
>
>
>
> (BTW, I'm going to leave this thread public because I think it might
> be of interest to collectors new to the PDP series and who might run
> across machines like this.)
>
> > > An 11/84 CPU alone apparently pulls 1100 watts
> >
> > A *fully-loaded* 10.5" 11/84 box will pull 1100 watts. A very much
> > reduced configuration - just a CPU, memory, and (non KDA50) disk
> controller
> > - will only draw 100 watts or so.
> >
> Well the backplane looked about half full roughly. So this is sounding
> a bit more hopeful. I have $10 a month to spend on this machine for
> electricity at about 8 cents per kilowatt hour so....
>
> > I believe the spec for the RA-80 spinup surge current is 40 Amps. While
> > running, it's probably about 7 amps.
> >
> I didn't have ALOT of time to look the machine over but I did look in
> the
> back of the cabinet containing the TU80 and the RA80 and saw a sticker
> that said "30 amps" which I ASSUMED referred to the RA80. I only ever
> owned RL and RK series drives when I was collecting PDPs in the early
> 90s...what are the size etc specs on the RA80? A friend of mine and I
> built an 11/34 system with 2 or 3 RK series drives and an older model
> DEC 9 track drive. So I'm not completely ignorant but I'm still getting
> used to the CURRENT state of the art in throwaway PDPs.
>
> > A TU80 doesn't take much; about 50 watts with power off, and less than
> > 200 watts with the blower and reels running.
> >
> Aha! This IS sounding alot more hopeful. Basically, if I could come up
> with a controller to drive modern SCSI drives or something a bit less
> power hungry, I could probably afford to run this guy at least all
> weekend
> every weekend or something like that. Hmmm...I wonder if there's any
> market for converting 9 track media to more modern forms? It'd only
> take $60.00 a month, with modern drives, to run the beastie 24 hours...
> perhaps less. =-)
>
> > (presumably) is in the 11/84 will also talk to RA7n's and RA9n's. With
> > a Emulex/CMD/Dilog ESDI or SCSI controller in the box, you can even hook
> > up perfectly modern 3.5" hard drives.
> >
> Hmmmm...what's strange is that they claim they upgraded the drive around
> two years ago. Upgrading TO an RA80 seems a bit strange in 1995. But
> the
> front of the drive said RA80 so....
>
> > > Now for my request, if anyone has schematics or technical drawings of
> this
> >
> > What do you specifically need? A print set for a complete configuration
> > is several hundred 11x17" sheets...
>
> Sheesh. I guess that's true...the print set for my old 34 was several
> 'books' of many pages a piece if I recall correctly. Ummm...if anyone
> has the print set for an 11/84 they'd like to go to a good home then
> let me know. =-) (If not, I'll probably run across one one of these
> days.)
>
> The machine DOES work apparently and the guy who operated it showed it
> to
> me today. He claims that it worked fine when they shut it down 2 years
> ago (yeah yeah I know) and it's just been sitting in the corner since
> then. He claims that if I plugged it in, which I didn't have an
> opportunity to do, it would come right up into RSX. We'll see after
> next week. One other obstacle is that it all has the funky twisty
> safety
> plugs on the AC cords but it's configured for 125 v etc so I'll replace
> the plugs, like I did on my 34, with high quality normal ones.
>
> Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime
>
> Burroughs machines are rare, especially one this old. Burroughs had a
> policy of taking back their old machines in trade, which they would then
> destroy to avoid having used machines in competition with their new
> ones.
Rumor around here is that when it came time to get rid of the old Burroughs,
Burroughs sold a new machine to the university that bid on our old machine
for less than what they had bid on the old machine.
Everyone here assumed it was because Burroughs was pissed that we had
gone with big VAXen; but perhaps that was just the way Burroughs worked.
> The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting
> architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of
> its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent
> new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from
> the late 70's early 80's. It is inherently difficult to get a stack
> machine to run very fast, like today's superscalar microprocessors. But
> a stack architecture results in small code. The virtual machine for Java
> byte code is a stack architecture.
http://www.ptsc.com/ describes ShBoom, a stack machine designed by
Chuck Moore (aka the inventor of Forth). The theory behind ShBoom, and
his more recent stack machine, is that if you use a wide word (in this
case 32 bits) you can fetch a whole bunch of tiny instructions at once
then blaze through them. In the case of ShBoom, the core runs at 100Mhz
while the external bus runs slower. Since each opcode is a byte, he can
fetch four opcodes at once with the slower bus rate yet keep the fast
internal core fed.
Chuck Moore also has some newer designs. F21 and P21, for instance.
These are 21-bit machines with (IIRC) a 20-bit external bus. Each
opcode is five bits, so (again) he's fetching four instructions with
each external bus transaction.
There was a big argument on comp.arch recently about just how hard it
is to go superscalar on a stack machine. IIRC, a Unisys A series
engineer was heavily involved in that discussion. Perhaps interested
folks can dredge it up using http://www.dejanews.com/. I don't recall
whether there was a conclusion to the argument (is there ever a conclusion
on usenet?); a lot of the discussion was over my head.
Roger ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Hi..
I 've a PDP-11 (19" rack) at home and it will not boot.
It seems as if the bus is blocked by the power..
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supporting the Unofficial CP/M Web Page
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I have need of the following QBus modules:
1 ea. M7552 (Qbus RRD50 controller)
2 ea. M7546 (Qbus TK50 controller)
Anyone who has such that they're willing to get rid of, please drop me
an E-mail.
Commercial vendors, please note that I am a hobbyist and that I lack
the deep pockets (financially speaking) of companies that still run
MicroVAXen and MicroPDP. Please keep that in mind when making price
offerings.
Thanks to all in advance.
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> they are all inserted into a special carrier-like thingamabob that made it
> easy to insert/remove the ROM packages and has a .1 or .01 microFarad
> capacitor soldered betwen Vcc and ground on each chip... I guess that's why
> they're heavier than normal.
Would this happen to be the _same_ carrier that the Epson folks used for
ROMs in the PX-8? If so, you might be able to sell some to PX-8 folks
that want to make their own ROMs.
Roger "I just pushed a standard DIP in carefully and it fit" Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Huw Davies said:
>I'll admit to having it at home. I assume you're talking about the January
>1981 issue? I'll write a note to myself and bring it in tomorrow (yes,
>Saturday) and scan it in...
Kool. I meandered over to Motorola's website last nite, and tho they did
not have the datasheets for these chips on the Web, they were available
thru their faxback system... so I have the datasheets IMTLF (in my tight
little fists) right now. I'm leaving it up to you what I scan in... I'm
definately scanning in the pinout w/information, but do y'all want me to:
1) scan in the programming timing information?
2) scan in the fast programming algorithm?
3) scan in anything else?
Oh, and tho the chips have a "C" on them (as in MCM68764C) the datasheets
say they're N-channel MOS. Unmarked speed chips are 450ns access, but there
are some 350ns parts available as well.
Anyway, expect to see some info on this arrive over the weekend on my
website... as it looks like I may actually have 4 or 5 seconds this weekend
to work on it!
http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/geezers.shtml
for my geezer computer page. (it's small, it's lame, but it's mine! ;-)
Toodles,
"Merch"
--
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Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
> < I didn't hear from you before so can you let me know if there is going
> <be any need for HHC eproms? I am sitting on approx. 5000 of them which I ha
> <received a salvage offer of $1.25/lb for and I'm probably going to take,but
>
> At that price I'll consider a few pounds+ shipping. Di I contact him
> direct? Is he willing for say do a two pound package for say $5 +shipping?
> to multiple respondents or would he like to see 10 pound blocks? I'd be
> willing to do say 10# if I had others willing to pay say 10-15% over my cost
> for packing materials for smaller distributions. This intent is that I'd
> want to recoup my cost.
I should've posted his e-mail address for replies. Sorry.
He's at Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. Talk to him directly about working out a bulk
deal. I'm sure he'd be happy to work something out. I have no
involvment in the deal. Thanks!
Sam
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Adam,
The B6800 is a huge mainframe in mutiple large cabinets and requiring
air conditioning, false floor, etc.
Having said that, it is certainly an interesting machine but not
appropriate for a home collection, now if you had a warehouse.....
Regards
Hans B Pufal
Ok gang, a pile of stuff (somewhat recent, looks like a parts pile, but...)
near Ventura, California that is dumpster bound unless someone makes a grab...
Contact the person directly at the address below.
-jim
>From: "Richard J. Bodan" <RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net
>Subject: Re: Ton of stuff list
>
>Here is a brief list that just touches the tip of the iceberg.
>
>10 to 15 XT chassis and Mborads
>10 to 15 mono, CGA, EGA, VGA minitors
>various printers and excesseories
>none of this works!!
>Just looking for somebody to get it the hell out of here.
>Who do you think you know that might want it??
>
>RJ Bodan
>
>
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The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
I too have a few TRS-80 machines, books on TRS-80, manuals, and software. I
will try and send you a list of extras. I may be able to get that Atari 800
for you.
At 10:03 AM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Howdy folks:
>
>I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very
>complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your
>name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists
>of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it
>even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the
>shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'.
>
>I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in
>games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use
>with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share
>this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold
>game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I
>also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well
>as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many
>other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie,
>Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20,
>Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex
>systems.
>
>All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses
>(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as
>I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my
>shelves.
>
>I am also looking for the following items in particular:
>
>1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading
>for those item.
>
>2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US
>Journal magazines, etc.
>
>3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80
>
>4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053.
>
>Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these
>hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're
>looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know.
>I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate
>any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most
>gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game
>machine collection.
>
>Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for
>all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators!
>
>Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer:
>via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look
>forward to hearing from you.
>
>Best Wishes,
>
>CORD COSLOR
>
>//*=====================================================================++
>|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
>|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
>|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
>|| Autograph collector ||
>++=====================================================================*//
>
>
>
>
>
At 07:58 28-08-97 -0800, you wrote:
>> Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in
>> the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you.
>
>That might be. I see your messages here on classiccmp, at least...
<whew!> That, at least, is something... for a while, I thought I had
pestered you to death or some silly thing... ;-)
>OK, one last attempt with VMS EXCHANGE:
<snip>
Thank you! It all worked, and I now have the necessary files unZIPped onto
the MicroVAX.
Now the next hurdle; Ever since I installed OpenVMS 6.2, my second TK50
has disappeared. The device scan, at initial boot, won't even detect it.
Hardware setup is:
KA630 CPU, v. 1.3 firmware
16 MB memory
M3104 8-port serial MUX
DELQA Ethernet card (M7516YA)
RQDX3 (M7555), two RD54's and an RX50
Two TK50 drives/controllers (M7546)
RRD40 CD-ROM controller (M7552)
The Really Odd Thing is that it worked before, under MicroVMS 4.6, but now
it won't even work with that. I suspect, though I've not confirmed it yet,
that it may have to do with:
1). The fact that I've added a CD-ROM controller (appears as DUB0:)...
2). The order that I've got boards plugged into the backplane (BA123 box).
Tonight, I will try transposing the positions of the two TK50 controllers
I have. I will also try jumpering the suspect controller as the primary and
removing the RRD40's board.
Any suggestions would be welcome. As mentioned, I find it interesting that
two TK50's worked under MicroVMS 4.6, then suddenly stopped working under 6.2.
Do I need to use SYSGEN, perhaps, after the fact? If so, what string do I
feed it? (low on docs again!)
For comparison/test purposes, I'm going to CC this to the CLASSICCMP
mailing list as well as your return address. Whichever one you see first
will tell me if there really is a problem with the mail system.
CLASSICCMP users, my apologies. Please bear with me until I can figure out
what's been going weird with mail to Tim's site.
Thanks in advance!
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net)
http://www.wizards.net/technoid
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
What is the difference between an AppleDisk 5.25 and an Apple DuoDisk
5.25?
Which work on the IIe and which on the IIgs?
Does a IIgs 3.5" drive work on the IIe?
thanks
Kai
PLEASE SEND ALL REPLIES TO edick(a)idcomm.com
DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE!
Here's a message from the guy in Colorado who has a bunch of old S-100
systems and documentation among other things that he's giving away. He
says he has a truckload of media, a bunch of 8" drives and other stuff.
Someone else on the list turned me onto him (forgot who).
Sam
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:26:22 -0600
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
Subject: Re: S-100 stuff
DO you have any interest in documentation for the old CP/m-based software,
perhaps along with software? I've been throwing stuff away, in order to make
room for another bedroom in the basement. Lots of stuff is sitting in the
covered portion of my carport. Some of this is original documentation and some
is copied. There's also a fair amount of documentation on printers, terminals,
and other peripherals. Not all of it is in totally messed up condition, but
some is pretty poor. Nonetheless, It works!
If you know of anyone who wants this type of stuff, pass on the word! It's all
free for the taking, since it's on the final sort headed for the dumpster. All
I want is to avoid having to PAY to have it taken, so I do need payment for the
freight.
If I recall correctly they just go straight into basic.
----------
> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: IBM 5100!
> Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 2:02 PM
>
> I met a friend of mine whom I hadn't seen in several years last night.
We
> got to talking and I found out she had thrown out an IBM 5110 system a
while
> ago <sigh>. BUT she still had the 5100 and I picked it up this morning.
It
> consists of the 5100, a tape unit, printer, and monitor. They will be
> looking around for any documentation as it used to be kept with the
> machine. In the mean time, does anyone know anything about how to start
up
> this thing? I doubt I'll have problems with plugging everything
together,
> but after I throw the power on switch, what happens then? Thanks.
>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver
>with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this
>but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ????
The Mac 128, Mac 512 and Mac Plus all had the signatures. Later versions,
like the classics, did not. To my knowledge, the only other signed apple
was the "Limited Edition" Woz Apple IIgs, and that was signed on the
outside.
I am not sure about the 512k, but I assume it was signed - I keep meaning
to open up mine but never seem to get around to it.
Adam.
> I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being
> kept in a store-room and not being used. It seems I should be able to get
> it if I asked. My question is - do I want it? Mostly I have limited
> myself to micros, as they are small and fit my own interests, but I have
> always been willing to accept larger systems. But as a result I know
> nothing about Burroughs - is this thing huge, or what?
It is huge. It is a mainframe size system. The one we used to have here
filled a large room.
> Is it rare, common,
> powerful or just dull?
The main thing about the line which includes the 6800 is that they are
stack machines, which is unusual. I don't know about the popularity of
the 6800 model, but Unisys still sells machines in that line (and they
are still stack machines, and can still execute 6800 code).
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
I am wondering if anyone else might have one of these Laser 50 computers
available?
Some more information on this computer. It was manufactured by V-Tech
(Video technology Ltd.) in the mid 1980s. It was a small, white, lap-top
size computer. It had a single line LCD display and was marketed as a
childrens education or beginner's computer, and contained BASIC only. You
could expand this 1.5k
system by buying cassette recorder, two different printers, and a memory
expansion cartridge.
OH, yes... you could save up to 9 different programs internally on the
computer. Now I also remember it ran on batteries though you could hook up
a DC converter to plug into the wall.
Had a full-feature BASIC programming language built in, including sound
commands... although it didn't have any graphics capabilities (that I know
of) it was a fun little computer.
Anyway, what I am asking is if anyone out there has one of these or knows
where I might be able to find one.... PLEASE let me know. I used to have
one (lost it YEARS ago) and I would like my children to be able to use it
a bit... plus it's kind of a piece of my computing history that I would
like to bring back to my collection!
Thanks a lot, and I hope someone has an inkling obout this machine. P.S.
This isn't an Apple or IBM close.
Best Wishes,
CORD COSLOR
P.S. I would be willing to pay virtually whatever you want for it
(reasonable), and may consider trading my V-Tech Pre Computer 1000 for it.
This pre 1000 computer contains BASIC, and many games and trivia sections
as well.
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
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Well, my inspiration to advertise with machine tool vendors to find a
paper tape reader has paid off.
A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I
know these were frequently used with PDP's, does anyone know what type
of interface they have? RS-232, current loop...?
thanks
Kai
At 09:43 PM 03/09/97 GMT, you wrote:
>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver
>with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this
>but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ????
>
>Cheers Chris Denham
>
I don't know if you could call it common, however I do know that the Mac
512 had it, as well as the Mac Classic (i don't think the original Mac or
the later Mac 128 had a signed case, but I could be wrong).
A funny story I heard about these sigs is that on at least one (if not all),
Jobs sig is large and right in the middle while Woz's is down in the corner.
However a seam or vent ran through Jobs and all but made it unreadable :)
I always assumed that the Mac Plus was unsigned, but I guess your machine
has proved me wrong (I should dig out that long torx screwdriver and get
inside of mine again)
Is there a list somewhere naming all of the signed Macs? And how many other
computers had signed cases? I think its great that these early machines were
produced with signed cases, it shows a pride in the workmanship, as well as
the simplicity of design when you could fit all of the important names on
the inside of a computer case. Try that with todays wintel boxes (as if they
would want to be 'fingered' as the culprits ;)
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All mac+ have the signatures cast into the case like that. I have the
platinum mac + model which was later than the beige ones, and it still has
the signatures. I heard some folklore that said that steve jobs' signature is
the biggest one, and the rest of them are much smaller...
In a message dated 97-09-03 19:26:06 EDT, you write:
<< I have Mac + with that signatures too and how common this was I
dunno. But I did heard of that in first 1000 produced of that 1k
Amigas had these signed in top shell so it's somewhat rare.
I see that also in some Mac 128k's. I did not know of any else done
that besides said two brands.
Jason D >>
At 00:02 03-09-97 PDT, you wrote:
<snip>
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:58 -0800 (PDT)
>From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
>To: classiccmp(a)u.WASHINGTON.edu
>Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers
>Message-ID: <9709030111.AA03666(a)alph02.triumf.ca>
>Content-Type: text
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>> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one????
>> I don't care about the interface - I'll build my own.
>>
>> How about some Reader/Punches 8-)
>
>Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? Back when I was in
>high school, these were the de facto solution for reading and/or
>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:18:43 -0400 (EDT)
>From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net>
>To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers
>Message-ID: <199709030118.AA05958(a)interlock.ans.net>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>> Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore?
>
>No, nobody wants to drag anything that heavy. What might work is if you
>pin a sign to your back saying that you actually want one of the things -
>people may offer many of them to you just for hauling.
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I beg to differ. I saw one, in excellent condition, show up at a hamfest
near the Oregon/Washington border (Longview) not that long ago. I think it
was a freebie.
The only reason I didn't take it is because I used to work on the things
and I know, full-well, what kind of a pain they can be.
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>> A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for
sale. I
> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one????
I don't know yet... he has about 5 available. I'll find out.
Kai
