That's too bad, Id love to get ahold of some software, just a boot disk is
boring.....
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> From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: TRS-80 model 4
> Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 10:12 AM
>
> Well, I was startled last night.
>
> I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked
into
> one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and
> there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set
up
> with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use.
Unfortunately
> my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about
them.
>
> __________________________________________
> Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
> http://www.chac.org/index.html
> Computer History Association of California
>
At 03:17 PM 9/24/97 -0600, you wrote:
>lifetime! Once it gets to this point, it will cease to be a 'fun'
>hobby, and will turn into a commercialized, over-marketed
>'investment vehicle'. Coin & Stamp collecting, Baseball cards, and
Not all coin collecting is like that. Certainly, modern US (with the
grading services and all) is like that, but there are still many areas of
numismatics that are still open to hobbiests. Large cents, Fugio Cents (my
personal favorite), colonials, canadian, a lot of foreign, tokens, and so on
still offer lots of opportunity for learning, research, and fun, without
being so sanitary and heartless as a lot of such hobbies.
Important note: Buy the book before you buy the coin. Know what you are
doing, or you *will* get burned. (There's a company ala QVC that sells
coins on TV at night -- Things like 3 Susan B. Anthony dollars for $10, when
you can go to the post office and get the exact same thing for $3.)
I think that even if the collecting of original PC's and Imsai's and such
becomes too mainstream, there will still be plenty for the rest of us.
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Well, I was startled last night.
I went to Back to School Night in my son's tenth-grade classes, walked into
one of the rooms (which was obviously shared among several subjects) and
there....were about seven TRS-80 model 4's, networked -- or at least set up
with some kind of print sharing -- and clearly in daily use. Unfortunately
my son's teacher wasn't the one who used them, so she knew nothing about them.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<Was any machine (most likely mainframe class) ever built using F100K ECL
<(the super fast stuff - even today)? The family is small but well thought
<out, and includes some rather bizarre functions.
I'm not certain but it may be in the VAX9000 series. It was all ECL and
the ecl was built up into special modules to control heat and compact the
circuitry (for less wire). It was a fast machine but costly to build and
would get real upset if the cooling failed..
Allison
At 20:07 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and
>park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered
>Land Rovers? 8^)
It means hearing a lot of people say "Hey, Roger! I see you got it running
again!" ;-)
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http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
<I also do a considerable amount of electronic design, so have a lot of
<the common stuff (TTL, signal transistors, op-amps, passives, etc) for that
I'm an engineer and do a lot of selfbuilt as well and the only way is to
have what I call the bottomless junkbox. I mean I have about 10+ xerox
paper boxes (holds 10 reams of A4 paper) full of old boards and loose parts.
and another 10-20 divided covered trays of parts many new (in 1979!) though
old as when I bought I'd get 10 as they were cheap even if I only needed
one. Even expensive chips I'd get two to have a spare.
I'm not fussy about replacing a 1977 datecode with 1990 as repairs are
simply that. Keep in mind function is my goal.
Allison
At 02:38 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree. It's also interesting to read between the lines of this thread
>and note that some people would definately be the type to do "concours"
>restorations. (Personally, I draw the line at worrying about the color of
>the ribbon cables.)
What does that mean for those of us that show up at British car meets and
park next to the pristine Rollses, jags, bentleys, and so on, in mud-covered
Land Rovers? 8^)
Personally, I like computers in as new condition as possible, but I'm not
fanatically about it, and Upgrades/expansions don't matter much to me. I
actually like used machines because they have a history behind them.
Someone used them, and maybe they added a bigger hard disk or a better video
card.
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 04:44 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an
>old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it
>will fetch a pretty penny.
I did a search at Amazon.Com for "Atari" and was surprised to see quite a
few 8-bit games and programs show up, and with prices like $50. I think
they were pretty much all labeled "Special Order", but they were listed...
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Miscellaneous Computer-related shows have been mentioned (Whiz Kids, Knight
Rider, Riptide, Automan, etc.) but have y'all seen a show called Reboot?
It's animated, and shown (generally, I think) saturday mornings on ABC
(Again, I think). It takes place inside a computer and the good guys are
always battling the evil virii, and such. All the characters are
computer-related terms/objects.
It's definitely worth watching at least once. (I was turned onto it in
Ottawa, Canada, so I know it gets around somewhat.) Of course, there's no
David Hassellhoff...
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
An opportunity for someone in the Detroit area:
>From: "eaml" <eaml(a)ix.netcom.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
>Subject: Vax equipment freely available
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:48:22 -0400
>
>We currently have the following equipment freely available to anyone
>interested:
>
>MicroVAX II
>Letter Writer 100
>VT240(broken)
>
>
>There is no warranty or maintenance on this equipment.This is a donation to
>the VMS community.
>The only thing we ask is that you pick it up from our premises at:
>
>
>Gallagher Kaiser Corp.
>13710 Mt Elliott
>Detroit MI 48212
>Phone (313) 368-3100
>
>Fax (313) 368-0415
>
>Attn: Emilio Moreno Ext. #123
>
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Replys/inquirys to the address shown in the message. I'm just forwarding
this along!
-jim
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jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
Hi,
I've got an Apple-I that I'm going to take out of a box in the attic and
try to set back up for showing/playing.
I've seen several postings about what components "should" or "shouldn't"
be in a vintage system. What's the feeling on replacing TTL chips, voltage
regulators, etc? Should I scour the land to find "vintage" parts or can I
buy stuff from regular electronics stores? (I don't actually KNOW that I
need to replace anything yet, just asking)
On a similar note: The Apple-I was a kit. Mine's just a bare board mounted
inside a plain aluminum box. Was there ever a case made for these? Or did
everyone just do what the guy who put mine together did?
One last question:
The Apple-I has on-board voltage regulators, diodes etc. to be used with a
Do-it-yourself transformer setup. Can I just bypass all that and use a
power supply from a PC with leads connected to the regulated side of
things? The board uses the ususal +/-5V and +/-12V if I remember
correctly...
Thanks for any tips,
Bjorn Eng
AS a result of finding a tandy 1000 I also aquired (in said tandy) a
Diamond Computer Systems Trackstar-128.
What it is that I know of. It is a 128k apple][ board that resides in
a XT PC and can use the PC disks or external apple compatable disks
to run apple OS and programs. I have the borad and very thin installation
manual for it. it however is totally lacking in software. What makes it
interesting is there are two 65sc02p-1s on it. Any further data or software
for it would be of interest.
Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically
6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
instruction set.
Allison
> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
> > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's basically
> > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
> > instruction set.
>
There was some discussion on chip differences recently in the Apple II
newsgroups so you may pick it up using something like DejaNews. The
65SC02 was apparently also used in the Franklin Ace 2200, an Apple
IIe-ish clone, and some games allegedly did not like the fact that it
wasn't a 65C02.
Phil
**************************************************************
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University of Leicester
Tel (0)116 252-2231
E-Mail pb14(a)le.ac.uk
Speaking of Ko0ky apple stuff, I got an Appletalk PC card. M2050. I have
the box and card and docs. Anyone have the darn software? What can this
thing do? I also got a complete TOPS set, with two isa cards and farralon
jacks.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: apple][ PC bus card
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:38 AM
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
> > Also information on the 65SC02 would be of interest. I know it's
basically
> > 6502 but I've been told the later versions have extensions to the basic
> > instruction set.
>
> The 65C02 runs slightly faster than the 6502 (1.1Mhz vs 1Mhz?) as well as
> having an expanded instruction set. I never got into using any 65C02
> instructions so I don't know what they'd be. Mostly it expanded the
> addressing modes of some existing operations as well as adding some
> addressing modes to instructions which didn't have any before (I think).
> I'm not the person to ask I guess :)
>
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
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it used to be historical(a)aol.com i checked the member profile for that name
but it doesnt mention anything about a historical computer society though.
you might want to email him directly and find out for sure.
In a message dated 97-09-24 20:22:07 EDT, you write:
<< If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for
their magazine and never got one issue.
At 07:12 PM 9/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if the Historical Computer Society is still going?
>If it is, how can I get in touch with them?
>
>Ken Harbit
>krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com >>
The previous message contained my employee's name and adress (WRONG), sorry.
>At 13.44 23/09/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>You have to keep in mind though, that this Thrift Store stuff is
>>strictly "as-is". If it dosen't work, or if it's flakey, tough luck
>>guy, you bought it.
>Ah, ok if it is "as is" (that here clearly mean "it's broken") 10 $ or
less are ok.
>
>
>>Having been burned numerous times by paying too
>>much for junk that flat out didn't work, I have resolved NEVER to pay
>>more than $10 for disk drives (of any sort).
>I FULLY AGREE (and been burned too).
>
>>
>>You know somebody who would pay $60 for a USED 1541? Hm, I wonder how
>>hard it is to get past Italian Customs . . .
>Yes, this is the real trouble.
>It depends how "expert" is the man in charge to controll stuff.
>If he recognize the stuff as used and "out-of-fashion" he will probably be
human; otherwise it will cost
>as gold.
Riccardo
Found this on the web today, don't know where he is located but whoever
is in that area might like to make contact with him....
> Attention: We are interested in purchasing your obsolete electronic
> equipment and other expendable assets. Since 1984, SGS Computer
> Corporation has been designing custom programs for those assets that no
> longer have value to your organization. We buy PC?s to mainframes,
> circuit boards to test equipment. We can pay on a per pound basis when
> approximate. We can remarket your items whenever possible for
> additional revenue.
>
> We take it all!! We don?t cherry pick. (Larger quantities are
> encouraged)
>
> Ask for: Joe Grimm
> SGS Computer Corporation
> www.sgsasset.com
> e-mail sgsasset(a)apk.net
> Call 800-348-1946 Fax (440) 786-8107
Regards,
Hans
Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here, VIC-20/C64/C128
hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire
Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away --
literally.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com]
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .
>
> Guys:
>
> I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have
> been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck
> the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this
> place was . . . .
>
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<---------------
>
At 18:00 12/31/70 -0500, you wrote:
>If you can find out more about them let me know I sent a check to them for
>their magazine and never got one issue.
Their last issue was #9 and I think it came out about eighteen months ago.
__________________________________________
Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
http://www.chac.org/index.html
Computer History Association of California
Hi folks,
All this talk of dirt cheap computers in thrift shops is making my mouth
water! ;)
Anyone know of any good stores in the Los Angeles area? (Or is that like
asking a cook for a secret recipe?).
Thanks,
Bjorn Eng
> On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
>
> > I could use some advice here...
> >
> > I'm starting to sort through the misc. parts and accessories that
> I've
> > collected over the years and am wondering if certain things are
> really
> > worth keeping, such as:
> >
> > 1200 baud modems (Hayes external, Racal Vadic VA212LC)
>
1200 bps modems are unlikely to ever be collectible. 300 baud acoustic
coupled are worth keeping, plus the first Hayes SmartModem.
> > CGA cards
>
Actual IBM CGA cards are a must-keep.
> > Hercules and MDA mono cards
>
Original Hercules brand cards (as opposed to compatible) and IBM
Monochrome Display Adapter cards are also must-keeps.
> > Generic XT floppy controllers
>
Genuine IBM floppy controllers should be saved.
Kai
> Then on a
> very different level, there's the market for original distribution
> software, such as WordStar 1.x-2.x, dBASE II for CP/M, early Multiplan,
> etc. which if mint and complete are offered at $50 to $150.
This is particularly evident in the realm of old games. If you have an
old Ultima for the Apple ][, complete with everything it came with, it
will fetch a pretty penny.
--
Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu
Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH
http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley
EXCELLENT!
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From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: RE: Computers in Movies (was: War Games)
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 5:02PM
At 09:48 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Do you remember what the palm top was in T2?
Atari Portfolio (with the rare ATM interface kit (aka, the Tramiel
special))
8^)
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
