Due to network problems, anyone who send me e-mail this weekend saying
"I want one", please resend as I did not get it (or any other mail).
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Pritchard [SMTP:MPritchard@EnsembleStudios.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 2:47 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: RE: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>
> To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive
> Bible
> book.
> -----
> It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first
> one
> and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for
> example:
>
> Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB,
> Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb,
> Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives)
> ..
> BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM)
>
> etc...
>
> It's a bit PC centric.
>
> Major chapters:
> History of Disk Drives
> Interface Standards
> PRML tehcnology
> Enhanced IDE
> SCSI command reference
> What is SCSI-3?
> SCA Hot plugs
> PCI interface
> Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller
> Controller Setup and Jumpering
> Drive Setup and Jumpering
> Drive Cabling
> Low level Formatting
> DOS partitioning
> Macintosh Drive Installation
> Windows Drive Format
> Win95 Disk Format
> Novell Compsurf
> Hardware Compatibility Problems
> Common Installation Problems
> Troubleshooting
> Universal IDE parameters
> Hard Drive List
> Fine Tuning
> Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer)
> Controller Information (by manufacturer)
> Connector Pinouts
> Drive Jumpers
> CD-ROM
> Floppy Drives
> Optical Disk Drive Technology
> Optical Jukeboxes
> Optical Drive Specifications
> Tape Drives
> CSC benchmark tests
> Software
> System Notes
> Industry Phone List
> BBS Numbers
> Directory
> Glossary
> Index
>
>
>
> -Matt Pritchard
> Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
Whatever the coprocessor for the 386 SX was, does anyone have one?
I heard that (at one time) there was a software emulator for a
coprocessor...anyone ever heard of it?
Thanks
manney(a)nwohio.com
I recently picked up a Tandata td2500 at a London, UK car boot sale.
Does anybody know what it is? It is basically a keyboard with outputs on
the back for TV video, composite video, RGB (SCART), serial data, and a
lead to plug into a telephone outlet. The power supply is missing and plugs
into a 4 pin DIN plug - any info on voltages to use to power it up. The unit
was made by Tandata UK Ltd.
Also I like to hear what's available to buy - so here is a non-US version
of what I picked up at a large South London car boot sale on Saturday.
Epson PX-4 + cartridges (works) - 5 pounds (L) (1 pound = 1.6 $US)
2 x BBC model B (both work) - 1 L each
Casio pocket computer PB-410F (no battery) - 5 L
EG 2000 Colour Genie (works) - 3 L
NCR PC4i - nice all-in-one unit but turned out to be IBM XT clone - 5 L
old Sharp calculator - 1 L
Vincent Murray
Email v.murray(a)unsw.edu.au
> Seriously, it's a card that will allow you to connect to TwinAx devices /
> systems, like an IBM AS/400.
>
> With the right software and that card, you can use any IBM/Clone as a
> terminal to an AS/400, and some software will even allow you to use a local
> parallel printer as an AS/400 printer.
Hey, Guys, this is a classic computers list! Twinax terminals
connect to system/34, s/36, s/38 machines (dunno about S/32 or
earlier). I imagine they're only supported on AS/400 for
compatibility...
Philip.
Tony Duell wrote:
> You mean I'm not the olnly classiccmp member to have a space problem...
No. Typical house sizes here in the UK mean that all of us UK members have
it. I imagine many of the US crowd have the same problem, too. In
continental Europe, typical house sizes are larger, but most people live in
apartments, so goodness knows what they do!
> Seriously, other than moving (or collecting pocket calculators), is there
> a cure to having more computers than floorspace for them?
If it's just floorspace you're worried about, you can sit them on
shelves, furniture, each other... :-) But I've seen your house, so I
know your problem is worse than mine, and I envy you your tolerant
parents...
The solution is for several people in the same area to club together and
buy a warehouse, derelict factory or ex-secret wartime government
research base. Even an aircraft hangar might do, although the design
parameters are not optimal for computer storage. Any takers? (Central
or SW England for me, London for Tony)
> size - from memory, the standard ones are :
>
> DE9 (PC serial port, Atari joystick, etc)
> DA15 (Ethernet AUI, PC games port, etc) -- The one we're talking about
> DB25 (Standard RS232, PC printer port, etc)
> DC37 (PC external disk port, Canon CX engine interface, etc)
> DD50 (Sun SCSI port, etc)
>
> The high-density ones are :
>
> DE15 (PC VGA monitor)
> DA?? (Never seen it)
> DB44 (Never seen it used, but it's in the catalogues)
> DC62 (PC expansion cabinet, etc)
That's what I thought. Any idea what the 19 pin one on some Macintoshes
is called?
Philip.
Doug,
A copy of NS* dos on media is not as desirable as on line. The reason for
this is I am debugging a suspected bad controller. In the past I've found
that bad NS controllers can accidently do uncommanded writes to the disk
rendering it useless. Also if thge media is DD the working SD controller
I have. I do have legal copies of 4.0, 5.0 and 5.2 but single density
only.
An online copy or a SD disk with a copy of the DD ns* works better for
debug. What I would do is to load the dos into EEprom so I can load it
and execute it quickly if the controller can't.
Allison
<I think I do. I will have to go through several boxes to find them. Give
<me a day or two to find them.
<
<Doug
<
<At 10:13 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
<>
<>Is there anywhere on the net northstar* dos version 5.x for DD controllers
<>My archives only have the single density version.
<>
<>Allison
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
> Subject: re: VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL Write-Ups
> For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival
> exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate
> it.
> Formats I can accept include:
> Microsoft Word
> Microsoft Works
> WordPerfect 5/6
> ASCII
> Appleworks (hey, you never know)
> Please convert your document as is appropriate.
> I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing
> and formatting them. You can e-mail them to:
> dastar(a)wco.com
> ...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of
> non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message.
> THANKS!!
> Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
> =====================================================================
> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Um... I am formatting it myself, along with added scanned pictures
and the like, I could convert my two Claris Works documents (1.6 meg
and 884+k) to Microsoft Works but I don't think Microsoft works has a
"Draw Layer" (Kinda like a DTP program) which supports linked text
frames, etc. :/ I can mail you a set of what I've got when I'm back
home on Wednesday though.
Larry Anderson
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For those who were doing write-ups for the Vintage Computer Festival
exhibition, if you could start sending those over to me I would appreciate
it.
Formats I can accept include:
Microsoft Word
Microsoft Works
WordPerfect 5/6
ASCII
Appleworks (hey, you never know)
Please convert your document as is appropriate.
I would like to start getting the write-ups in soon so I can start editing
and formatting them. You can e-mail them to:
dastar(a)wco.com
...in either uuencoded format or as an attachment (in the case of
non-ASCII file formats) or as straight ASCII in the body of your message.
THANKS!!
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
Every XT I ever ran across (except for some Tandys) had switches on the
motherboard to control no. of floopies, coprocessor, amount of memory and
type of video adapter; therefore no CMOS.
The battery is probably for the real-time clock.
What won't it do? If you disconnect everything except one floppy, will it
boot up? (hard drive info is typically kept on the HDC).
manney(a)nwohio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 12:35 PM
Subject: EETO Computer
>I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings
>and CMOS setup entry procedure.
>The system has the following specs for the motherboard:
>
>PCB is marked
> HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD
>ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2
>Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard
>Has five 8 bit slots
>Has onboard battery
>
>It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia
>Copyrighted 1986,87
>
>I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard.
>
>Hope you can point me to some info.
>
>Thanks,
>Brendan
>
>
Found on Usenet. Anyone in the UK have a VAXen looking for a home? If
so, please contact this fellow directly.
Attachment follows.
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Give a good home to your VAX (or ALPHA):
http://multivac.jb.man.ac.uk:8000/helbig/vms/vax.txt
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Here is the exhibition list showing the people who have currently
volunteered to do informational write-ups for each system.
In case you missed the first request, I am asking for help in coming up
with an informational, one-page write-up that will be displayed next to
each computer in the exhibition at the Vintage Computer Festival. This
is so that the attendees can know what they are looking at. I am
re-posting the original message with an updated listing of who so far
is doing what. Many, many thanks to those who have already pledged their
support!!
Hello Fellow Classic Computer Collecting Nerds.
If you've checked out the Vintage Computer Festival web page then you
know that there will be an exhibition of over 100 computer systems as
part of the event.
Just having the computers without any accompanying literature would
probably leave a lot of attendees wondering what it was they were looking
at. Therefore, I would like to have a short, one-page write-up for each
machine on display giving summary information about the machine. I
figured there is probably no better resource for general and historical
information on old computers than this discussion group.
As you know, 100 computers is a lot. So I am asking for a favor from
anyone interested. I need write-ups done for the machines which will be
on display! Aside from my undying gratitude, anyone who contributes
write-ups will receive a free Vintage Computer Festival 1.0 t-shirt and a
free pass to the show either this year or for whatever year you will be
able to make it out (this WILL be an annual event).
A list of the systems on display will follow. If you would like to do some
write-ups for a particular system or series of systems, please e-mail me
and I will let you know if a write-up is required for that system.
The write-up should ideally include:
The company which created the computer
The founding year of the company
The year the company went out of business
The founder(s) of the company
What the company's main market was (ie. who was their customer?)
The year the computer was developed/released
How many were manufactured (if known)
What computer (if any) preceded this computer
What computer (if any) followed this computer
What operating system(s) could it run?
What language(s) if any were built-in or available for it?
What kinds of peripherals were available for this computer
What were the attributes of this computer
What processor did it use? How many bits was it?
How much memory did it come with standard? How much total memory
could it be expanded to?
What kind of bus architecture did it use (if any) or how could it be
expanded (if at all)? Did it have a carthridge slot?
What other computers was it compatible with (if any)?
What peripherals were specifically available for it (if any)?
Disk drives or other storage devices?
Printers?
Displays?
Other stuff like speech synthesizers, graphics tablets, etc.?
What (if any) graphics capabilities did it possess?
What was the resolution (of all graphics modes)?
How many colors were available?
Any special features of the graphics? Any special graphics hardware?
What (if any) sound capabilities did it possess?
How many voices did it support?
Any special features of the sound? Any special sound hardware?
What other significant attributes did it feature?
Again, it would be ideal to have all this information, but it is not
mandatory. I realize that some stuff is just a mystery. Hopefully
having Vintage Computer Festival's will clear up these mysteries by
getting the information flowing about old computers.
If you would like to contribute a write-up, please e-mail me with what
you want to contribute. Thanks!!!
(list to follow below)
MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP
---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ --------
Altos
Apple Computer Apple /// A3S2 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple //c A2S4100 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2064 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2128 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple ][ A2S0016 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Apple ][+ A2S1048 S.Ismail
Apple Computer Lisa 2
Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A
Apple Computer Macintosh M0001
Atari Atari 1040ST 1040STF
Atari Atari 1200XL Home Computer 1200XL
Atari Atari 130XE 130XE
Atari Atari 400 Home Computer 400
Atari Atari 520ST 520ST
Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL
Atari Atari 800 800
Atari Atari 800XL 800XL
Atari Falcon 030
Callan Data Systems Unistar 300
Commodore Amiga A1000 B.Damage
Commodore Amiga A500 B.Damage
Commodore CBM 2001 Series PET 2001-32 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 64 64 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 64 Personal Compu 64C L.Anders
Commodore Commodore 128 128 L.Anders
Commodore Commodore Plus/4 Plus/4 L.Anders
Commodore PET 4016 L.Anders
Commodore PET 4032 L.Anders
Commodore PET 8032 L.Anders
Commodore VIC 20 Computer VIC 20 B.Damage
Compaq Portable
CompuPro 8/16
Computer Power & Light Compal 80 Minicomputer
Corona Data Systems M18P-2
Corvus Concept
Cromemco Z2 Computer System
Data General Data General One 2514A
Epson Geneva PX-8
Epson Portable Computer HX-20
Exidy Inc. Sorcerer Computer B.Damage
Fortune Systems Corporation 32:16
Forward Technologies Sun 1 Clone
GCE Vectrex
Heath H8
Heath Hero I
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP3000/37 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP85A F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP86B F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Portable HP110 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Portable Plus F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Integral PC HP9000/207 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Workstation HP9000/520 F.McConn
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP9915 F.McConn
IBM 3270 Personal Computer 5271
IBM Personal Computer 5150
IMSAI Manufacturing Corporat IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer Sy
Interact Micro Video
Intertec Data Systems SuperBrain II
Kaypro Corporation Kaypro New 2
Macintosh 128
Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931
Mindset Mindset
Morrow Designs MDT 60
Morrow Designs Pivot Portable
Non-Linear Systems, Inc. Kaypro II
North Star Computers Horizon A.Parent
OSI C4P MF
Olivetti M10
Osborne Computer Corporation Executive
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 3
Osborne Computer Corporation Vixen
PMC Inc. PMC 81
Processor Technology Corp. SOL 20
Quest Electronics Super Elf
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I C.Coslor
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model III C.Coslor
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 64K Color Computer 2 26-3127B R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 26-3027 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer Syste 26-1006-1 R.Merch
Radio Shack TRS-80 PC-1
SWP Microcomputer Products ATR8000
SWTP 6800
SWTP 6809
Sanyo MBC-550 MBC-550
Sinclair ZX80 ZX80 H.Pufal
Sinclair ZX81 Personal Computer ZX81 H.Pufal
Sun Microsystems Workstation 2/50
Synertek VIM-1
Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103
Tandy Tandy 1000EX 25-1050B
Tandy Tandy 100HX Personal Comput 25-1053A
Televideo TS1603
Texas Instruments 99/4A Computer PHC004A
Texas Instruments Silent 700 745 Portable
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1000 M 330 H.Pufal
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1500 H.Pufal
Toshiba T1000 PA7027U
Vector Graphics Inc. Vector 1
Victor Technologies, Inc. Victor 9000 412
Video Technology Ltd. Laser 50 C.Coslor
Visual Computer Inc. Commuter COMMUTER US
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG,
then?
1) would it work an an RGB monitor.
2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is
the 50/60hz thing that critical?
Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion.
What do you all think?
On 10/15/97 11:03:10 you wrote:
>
>If I wanted to get a hold of a european computer, 220v, 50hz PAL with RBG,
>then?
>
>1) would it work an an RGB monitor.
>
>2) if the machine just used a poweradapter like 9v, like the old atari's is
>the 50/60hz thing that critical?
>
>Im looking into a Spectrum128, or Russian Scorpion.
>
>What do you all think?
>
>
I can share my personal experience.... I have a Spectrum +2 here in the United States.
It works fine. For power I use a small 110/220 inverter available from places like
Jameco and JDR. That allows me to use the original power supply. The Spectrums
also can work off a standard 9 volt wall wart. Some models use over 1 amp so its more like a
wall brick. For video a normal RGB monitor like the Magnavox RGB-80 (Many Commodore versions
1084,1902,etc) works fine. If you are a Sinclair fan, the video pinout is exactly the same as
the Sinclair QL (8 pin din). The 50/60 Hz "thing" doesn't matter.
Please be aware there are very few Spectrums with RGB output. The +2 is one model. The
Spectrum 128 also is supposed to have RGB output but I have not seen one. I also have
seen regular Spectrums (48k and the Spectrum+) in use over here in the US. To do that
you need to convert the output to RGB. A product called the Spectrum RGB output module
by Adapt electronics does exactly that. Good luck finding one. Our local Sinclair group has one.
After a lot of investigation it was determined that power supply voltages have to be right on
the money for it to work. Another alternative is a DIY project that is posted on some Spectrum
web pages. Good luck with the schematic and documentation (all in German!). I'd be very
interested in your progress.
Don Walterman
dwalterm(a)ix.netcom.com
At 10:11 PM 10/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the
>world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not
>excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is
There is no excuse needed. People buy/use/collect what they know. Here in
the US, we know about C64's and such. People in the states don't collect
british coinage much either. They collect what they know.
Thanks to the net, however, we can find out more about other
computers/countries easily.
By all means, tell us about Spectrums, and why we should think they're
better than commodores. Sinclair certainly didn't bother to tell us about
them. In exchange, we'll be happy to tell you about US computers you may
not have heard of.
>NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been
Actually, for me anyway, it is. I live here.
(and, btw, probably for the VCF, which, coincidentally, is taking place in
the US.)
(But next year, I'll probably be travelling to the UK for Billing '98 (the
50th) when I'll pick up some Sinclairs!)
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San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I have an EETO computer for which I am looking for the jumper settings
and CMOS setup entry procedure.
The system has the following specs for the motherboard:
PCB is marked
HYUNDAI SUPER 16TE SYSTEM BOARD
ASSY E4008005701 REV PCB ICT 2
Has 6 jumper links at front left of motherboard
Has five 8 bit slots
Has onboard battery
It boots up with Patterson Labs Basic I/O System Version 2.00Ia
Copyrighted 1986,87
I'm not sure what else is needed to properly identify this motherboard.
Hope you can point me to some info.
Thanks,
Brendan
I have a short 8-bit PC card labeled "5250 EMULATOR". It has a big
1.5" X 1.5" chip labeled 02F8059ESD, a smaller .5" X .5" chip labeled
7378945ESD, a 6264 8KB SRAM, 5 misc. chips, a 32MHZ xtal, assorted
discrete components a 8-position DIP switch, and a DB-15M connector
on the back.
The $64.00 question: What is it?
_______________
Barry Peterson bm_pete(a)ix.netcom.com
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
> Hello,
> I've got an old Altair i bought back in '76 as a kit. I was using it
up
> 'till about '86 when I decided to get a "better" system. This past year i
> decided to restore it, but have misplaced my documentation. Does anyone
> have the old MITS documentation, or know where it can be obtained? thanks
> in advance
> Henry Yarborough
To help with questions I've asked, here's some info the Hard Drive Bible
book.
-----
It says July, 1996. It seems to cover older drives, up to the first one
and two gig drives. in the "hard drive peramters" chapters for example:
Alps America: 8 entries from 10 to 212 MB,
Ampex: 4 entries, 5, 10, 15 , and 20 mb,
Areal tech: 6 entries, 62 to 136mb (all IDE 2.5" notebook drives)
..
BASF: 5 entires, 23, 15, 8, 10, 21mb (all MFM)
etc...
It's a bit PC centric.
Major chapters:
History of Disk Drives
Interface Standards
PRML tehcnology
Enhanced IDE
SCSI command reference
What is SCSI-3?
SCA Hot plugs
PCI interface
Choosing a Hard Drive and Controller
Controller Setup and Jumpering
Drive Setup and Jumpering
Drive Cabling
Low level Formatting
DOS partitioning
Macintosh Drive Installation
Windows Drive Format
Win95 Disk Format
Novell Compsurf
Hardware Compatibility Problems
Common Installation Problems
Troubleshooting
Universal IDE parameters
Hard Drive List
Fine Tuning
Hard Drive Parameters (by manufacturer)
Controller Information (by manufacturer)
Connector Pinouts
Drive Jumpers
CD-ROM
Floppy Drives
Optical Disk Drive Technology
Optical Jukeboxes
Optical Drive Specifications
Tape Drives
CSC benchmark tests
Software
System Notes
Industry Phone List
BBS Numbers
Directory
Glossary
Index
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
Just making public a catalog of what reference material you have would
be great for someone searching. Meybe we need to start a classic
documentation server or something like that.
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:10 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>
> > Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what
> to
> > add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command
> set
> > reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of
> the
> > drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5
> > years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how
> about
> > doing one of two things:
> >
> > (1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice
> on
> > how to make the 9th edition better, or
>
> This seems unlikely, as the number of PC-clone boxes with SMD drives
> on them can probably be counted on one hand. PC-clone SMD controllers
> are exceedingly rare.
>
> > (2) Start your own reference information project
>
> Not a bad idea. I've got complete tech manuals for things like
> Fujitsu
> 2322's, 2333's, and Eagles (M2351A's) and Super Eagles (M2361A's), but
> they're about 1000 pages each.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
I'll take a couple, please, if you're taking orders. I saw them at $30,
but all I need are jumper settings sections.
EZDrive (which comes with WD Hard Drives) is a good reference, has jumper
settings and other neat stuff.
Tell me how much you want for your time and shipping, and I'll send you a
check. Thanks for offering.
Manney(a)nwohio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Manney <Manney>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 6:08 PM
Subject: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots
>of info on older, long since discontinued drives.
>
>The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for
>something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain.
>If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere.
>
>-Matt Pritchard
>Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
>
>
>
>
In case someone on that side of the pond is interested...
In alt.folklore.computers, slavins(a)hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon
Slavin) wrote:
>For a few days I'll hold on to four BBC model Bs which are about to
>be thrown away by a local school. I don't guarentee they all work
>(though they did last time they were turned on) and you'll have to
>arrange pickup from the North London area.
>Simon.
>--
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> http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | facts, they'll fill their heads with
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Well, they do say that they solicit input from their readers on what to
add for the next edition. (for instance they added the SCSI command set
reference section in this edition). If it doesn't document 90% of the
drives you use regularly, and those drive are not new to the last 5
years (hey, this is the _classic_ computer mailing list) then how about
doing one of two things:
(1) let them know what they are missing and give constructive advice on
how to make the 9th edition better, or
(2) Start your own reference information project
Either way, we need to preserve the knowledge.
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [SMTP:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:34 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition
>
> > The Hard drive Bible?...Oh it strikes me in my brain...
> >
> > Do you mean that book that is filled with hard drives from A to Z
> > with FULL doc on each for jumpers than what most others shown?
>
> Actually, the quality of information in the editions I've seen is
> quite
> a hodgepodge. And it has *no* documentation on 90% of the drives that
> I use regularly. So I look at it with a good amount of disdain, as it
> doesn't come close to doing what the cover claims. (But that's true
> with many things in life... and even more true of computers
> recently!)
>
> > I have a Micropolis scsi hd needing proper setting up and LLF'ed as
> > it's not set up right previously. Right now it's resisting anything
>
> > unless there is a proper way.
> >
> > model 1684-7. It's 340MB regular SCSI.
>
> Have you - say - tried contacting Micropolis?
>
> ftp://techsupport.micropolis.com/pub/files/SPECS/1680spec.txt is
> what you want.
>
> > And I am looking for how to make custom terminator resistor array.
>
> I assume you're referring to RN9, a 20-pin 220/330 network? I've
> always gotten them in the past by calling Micropolis at
> 1-818-709-3325.
> But if you want to make your own, and have access to a 20-pin header,
> it's pretty simple:
>
> Pin 10 is ground, Pin 20 is Vcc, and pins 1-9 and 11-19 consist
> of a 220 ohm resistor to Vcc and a 330 ohm resistor to ground.
>
> Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
>If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4
>VS2000's currently being used as doorstops.
[Snip]
> (near Vancouver)
If only I could drive there from the UK to fetch them :-)
Regards
Pete
#include <std_disclaimer>
At 04:53 PM 15/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots
>of info on older, long since discontinued drives.
>
>The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for
>something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain.
>If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere.
>
Hell yes I would be interested, If you could pick one up for me, I'll pay
shipping + cost. Reply if you can can still get them... Thanks in advance.
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