Hi,
I have a HP 9000/217 that I want to pass onto another collector. As with
the Rainbow previously, it would be best if you could collect from
Cambridge UK, but I could be persuaded to deliver as long as it's not too
far away. To see a picture of the machine in question go to:
http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/manufacturer-hp/9000_217.html
Drop me an email if you are interested.
--
Kevan
Old Computer Collector: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/
Back when I asked about the HP 3000, someone mentioned that it
processed data in blocks. What exactly does that mean? How does it
work?
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From: Kerry Davis <kdavis(a)flatland.com>
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Subject: Any PDP-12/15/whatever to be had?
Date: 27 May 1998 03:43:00 -0700
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I had some neat old gear once, that I enjoyed playing with. Including a
couple PDP-12s, 15s, 8s, a Linc-8... quite a variety actually.
Anyone know of any place with some stuff like that available, for sale?
I'd like to have some of that again, both for my own enjoyment and to be
able to show some people how things used to be.
Kerry Davis
Phoenix, Arizona
kdavis(a)bbs.yab.com
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Well, muchas gracias to Mr. Duell; I have one of my 11s out of
deep sleep and talking to it's console. For any who have followed
this sequence.. the problems resolved to a) bad BA11 (PSUs good,
something else is wrong) b) the old grant continuity confusion, and
finally c) a bad RS232 cable I put in the line to the console VT100
to extend it a bit.
So now, I have one 11/34 computer running, with an RX02 (but no
bootable media for it) and two RK05s, neither of which work at the
moment.... but that's the next hurdle.
Actually, I have configured a single RK as unit 0 and terminated
it. The *problem* is something in the control logic preventing the
unit from spinning up the disc and coming into ready. So I'm
kneeling on the floor under the drive with a voltmeter and a scope,
trying to find where the chain is broken. At least I have extender
cards....
Again, many many thanks to all of you who have taken the time to
offer advice... it was correct and successful.
More later as the situation progresses..
Cheers
John
Thanks first to all who have offered help and advice. (Re:
sacrifices... roosters have psitticosis and mites, and as for
virgins... c'mon guys, I'm in *California*.... <g>)
The computer works; the disk drives don't. Armed with the
printsets for the drive and the controller, and assisted by the Group,
I am reasonably certain that thr RK05 itself is in good shape. I
have simulated all it's 'ready' conditions and it's fine. I have
changed (twice... aarrghhh) the interface cable... all same.
The RK05 thinks that DCLO is asserted. "Forcing' DCLO at the drive
makes it work. I have measured DCLO and ACLO at the RK11D
backplane.. they are at +5V. In the drive, +30VAC is good into the
control card. On the RK11D, I have traced DCLO to the wirewrap pins,
and it appears good. I have yet to figure out the path DCLO takes
thru the RK11 stack. This problem has been most baffling so far
because DCLO originates in the RK05 and in the RK11 and in the
BA-11.. so it's a multiple-varible with a commaon symptom. I seem
to be converging on it, but if anything jumps out at someone with
some actual field experience with these devices... it might save me
a few more hours of discovering all the various places where the
problem "isn't". ;}
To Tony Duell: thanks for the e-mail.. I did indeed verify the
itms you mentioned... the 'interlock' circuits are working,
microswitches good, etc.
ALSO: I would love to have a pointer to the D11W SLU/LTC card
switch settings... at least the baud rate stuff... I want to use my
LA120 as a console rather than the VT100... getting Unix going is
next after the drives a working, and I want hard copy for that. I
have looked and not found this particular info on the Net so far.
Cheers to all
John
>I dunno about this... but I seem to remember a mention of a sticker...
>either green or orange. That, and look on the boards/chips and see what you
>can find... if you have a IIe, look for things that that shold have... lets
>see... check for stuff like 'prototype' or something. Or, if anyone knows
>it, the IIGS's code name...
The Apple IIgs was code named "Cortland", "Phoenix", "Rambo", and "Gumby".
Tom Owad
Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote:
> An HP Integral PC. I didn't much pay attention to the one Frank M.
> brought to VCF 1.0 so it was all new to me when I actually started messing
> with this one. I couldn't get it to do anything useful though. How do I
> drop out of PAM and into a shell? This one has a 1Meg RAM Carrier and a
> Serial Interface.
Well, it also helps to have a shell. That's why I also brought
that 9134 disc drive -- it has the development set loaded on it,
which makes it behave a bit more like a Un*x box.
Failing that, PAM has a little bit of shell functionality in it. You
can use it to look at text files, also you can get a list of files in
your current directory by typing "echo *" in its command-line area.
(No, PAM doesn't show you everything.)
...
Tony mentioned HP-IL and that made me think of what I've been plodding
through today: a box full of HP-41 and HP-IL documentation. Shame I
didn't grab any of the hardware (other folks did, and left the manuals
-- so far as hardware I was concentrating on 9114s that I knew I could
use with my Portable Plus and some other little bits), but maybe next
time I cross the path of some I'll have a better idea of what to look
for.
So what have I got? Well, thus far:
The HP-IL Interface Specification
p/n 82166-90017, Nov 1982
HP 00041-15043 HP-IL Development Module Owner's Manual
p/n 00041-90449 Rev B, Oct 1984
1LB3-0003 The HP-IL Integrated Circuit User's Manual
p/n 82166-90016 Rev B, Nov 1983
HP 82166C The HP-IL Interface Kit Technical Guide
p/n 82166-90020 Rev B, May 1983
HP 82166A HP-IL Converter Technical Manual
p/n 82166-90002, Nov 1982
HP 82165A HP-IL/GPIO Interface HP 81266A HP-IL Converter Manual Supplement
p/n 82165-90012, Oct 1982
OK, that is what I found in the first binder. Somehow I have a feeling
I'm gonna wish I had Tony's clues by the time I get done with this.
-Frank McConnell
it's my understanding that the //c's ps will work with the laser. i think the
connection is the same, and the voltages are slightly different, but close
enough to get it to work.
In a message dated 98-05-27 15:04:32 EDT, you write:
<< I think it's an ex, not sure. Can I make a PSU? Is the one for the C64
or //c compatible?
>
>if it's a regular laser128, i wouldnt bother much. however, if its a
128ex, or
>ex2, get it quick! those had extra options including built in memory
>expansion. ive seen a few lasers for sale, always without the power
brick it
>seems. i have two complete systems myself.
>
>david
>
I think it's an ex, not sure. Can I make a PSU? Is the one for the C64
or //c compatible?
>
>if it's a regular laser128, i wouldnt bother much. however, if its a
128ex, or
>ex2, get it quick! those had extra options including built in memory
>expansion. ive seen a few lasers for sale, always without the power
brick it
>seems. i have two complete systems myself.
>
>david
>
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I dunno about this... but I seem to remember a mention of a sticker...
either green or orange. That, and look on the boards/chips and see what you
can find... if you have a IIe, look for things that that shold have... lets
see... check for stuff like 'prototype' or something. Or, if anyone knows
it, the IIGS's code name...
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>How would you tell a prototype from the conversion?
>
>thanks
>
>Kai
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: KFergason [mailto:KFergason@aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 8:19 PM
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>
>
>
>I can verify this. We got 2 beta units to develop on, in the IIe case.
>I always wondered what happened to them.
>
>Kelly
>
>In a message dated 5/26/98 10:01:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>photze(a)batelco.com.bh writes:
>
>> I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
>> depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside
of
>> IIe cases.
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Tim D. Hotze
>>
(mostly for Mr. Shoppa, but others may have insight)
The old RCA tape I had mentioned is in fact larger that 1/2". It looks a
bit like 3/4". It is not video tape, as the reel says "RCA Electronic Data
Processing 501". A small paper label also has "BPROG", and a date from
1964.
God only knows what is on this tape, and if it could still be read!
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
At 06:44 PM 5/26/98 +1000, you wrote:
>I have one question , well I actually have two......
>though, what software came on cassetes?
>and what is the most common fault in the IBM full height floppy drives that
>makes them die???
I dunno about IBM PC cassette-based software, but lots of other systems
used them... (I remember Atari's Infamous christmas cassettes, including
"The Spy who came in from the Code"...
Iirc, the IBM FH floppies were belt driven... The belts slipped a lot.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May 1998 5:29
Subject: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
>
>It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
>
>Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it
look
>like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in
>keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs
>series.
>
>Anybody ever heard of these?
>
>Kai
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
yes this was a official upgrade from Apple, Ive done one of these in the
past............
you could upgrade any of the older IIs to the gs.
I can verify this. We got 2 beta units to develop on, in the IIe case.
I always wondered what happened to them.
Kelly
In a message dated 5/26/98 10:01:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
photze(a)batelco.com.bh writes:
> I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
> depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside of
> IIe cases.
> Ciao,
>
> Tim D. Hotze
>
In a message dated 98-05-26 23:11:39 EDT, you write:
<< > Laser 128? It's being offered for $25 at a thrift shop w/o PSU. Lastly,
>>
if it's a regular laser128, i wouldnt bother much. however, if its a 128ex, or
ex2, get it quick! those had extra options including built in memory
expansion. ive seen a few lasers for sale, always without the power brick it
seems. i have two complete systems myself.
david
I have a little dilemma here. For one thing, I have an Apple //c. I am
being offered an Apple ][+ (I think) for free that has a Digital
Research z-80 card in it,with manual, as well as an external keyboard
kludge. There is also software. However, there is an issue with space.
Is there any way to modify the Apple //c to make it take expansion
cards? Should I just take the ][+? Also, how much should I pay for a
Laser 128? It's being offered for $25 at a thrift shop w/o PSU. Lastly,
does anyone have a Z-80 card for the //c? They were made by Applied
Engineering and were inserted into the processor socket. I have them in
an old AE catalog.
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I seem to remember hearing (although I couldn't tell you where if my life
depended on it...) that Apple made it's earlier IIGS prototypes inside of
IIe cases.
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
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From: D. Peschel <dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
>> It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
>> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
>
>As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
>to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
>upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did
either).
>
>I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that.
>
>Do you have the normal //e-size monitor? That would be an advantage over
the
>stock //gs. Do you also have the same //e keyboard? Has it been converted
to
>use ADB? I always liked the feel of the //e's keyboard better than the
//gs'
>little keyboard. But if the upgrade's keyboard isn't modular like the
regular
>//gs, that would be a disadvantage in some ways.
>
>-- Derek
Seems like a cool find. Historically, all such upgrades have been 90% of
the purchase price for a new machine -- up to and including Apple's more
recent PowerMac upgrade boards, so I'm not surprised that it's rare.
If it's a mag like Byte or kilobaud, I'd love to know the issue #.
Kai
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From: SUPRDAVE [mailto:SUPRDAVE@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 7:02 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIgs in Apple II case?
yes indeedy, apple provided an upgrade path for //e users. for $500 you got
a
new gs planar, and a sticker that replaced the lower case apple //e one with
//gs. of course, one of the caveats is you didnt get ADB and seperate
keyboard. i dont think many people upgraded due to the price. i have an old
magazine that had a writeup about the upgrade. if anyone's that interested i
can look up details or make copies. message me privately.
david
In a message dated 98-05-26 21:15:04 EDT, you write:
<< > It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did
either).
I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that. >>
At 01:46 PM 5/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Your hopes are dashed. The only pricey IBM PCs are the ones that had 16K
>> installed at the factory and weren't upgraded. The 64K ones are relatively
>
>That's absurd (bordering on perverse) -- what could you DO with a machine
>like that? (Yes, run BASIC and use cassettes... I know.)
In my day, sonny, 16K was plenty of room. Back then, we knew how to
program. It was an art. Not like the kids today, with their megabytes and
Gooeys and write-once-read-many, magneto-optical, doohickies... (whups,
gotta go, time for maaaatttlooock!)
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yes indeedy, apple provided an upgrade path for //e users. for $500 you got a
new gs planar, and a sticker that replaced the lower case apple //e one with
//gs. of course, one of the caveats is you didnt get ADB and seperate
keyboard. i dont think many people upgraded due to the price. i have an old
magazine that had a writeup about the upgrade. if anyone's that interested i
can look up details or make copies. message me privately.
david
In a message dated 98-05-26 21:15:04 EDT, you write:
<< > It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
> exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
As someone already pointed out, you have an official Apple product, a //e-
to-//gs upgrade. When we got our family //e, I had fantasies about that
upgrade, but we never got it (and I guess VERY few other people did either).
I seem to remember the list price as around $800. $864? Something like
that. >>
Allison/Marvin:
Thanks. I was afraid that it was a problem that software couldn't manage
around. Right now, my N* is non-working (actually, it hasn't worked since I
got it), but I was trying to examine what was contained on the diskettes.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
Collector of classic computers
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I just acquired an Apple IIgs that is in an Apple IIe style case!
It's not a conversion or anything, it's original from Apple. It looks
exactly like a IIe except for the model emblem and the back panel.
Perhaps it's something Apple did for the educational market, to make it look
like the other machines they were used to, and incorporating a built-in
keyboard which would be less fragile than the multi-piece regular IIgs
series.
Anybody ever heard of these?
Kai
Found on Usenet. Contact Mr. Tarka directly if you can help.
Thanks.
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From: Mark Tarka <tarka(a)earth.oscs.montana.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: WTB small VAX/VMS system, NYC area
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I've got to be in NYC on personal business in early June. Anyone in
NYC or within the commuting area have a _small_ vax/vaxstation/uvax
to donate or sell?
I'm interested mainly in a box, with any external storage devices
(disk, tape), working or repairable, and documentation.
The system has to be somewhat compliant with whatever passes for
standard I/O to the external environment (a 3100 for example
would be a bad idea :-)
Mark
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